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D. Spencer Hines - 18 Nov 2007 20:47 GMT
More Grist For The Mill...

From Mike Todd at:

<http://www.miketodd.net/encyc/okay.htm>

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Deus Vult
---------------------------------------------------

     Where did OKAY come from?

     There can be no more universal term than Okay.  It is used in just
about every language in the world, and its use is probably even more
widespread than Coca-Cola. Yet nobody really knows for sure where it
originated. In fact, just as there can be no more universal term, there can
also be no more controversial when it comes to determining its origin.

     The reality is that most theories are folklore, invented (albeit based
on real occurrences) to try to provide a definitive explanation. Personally,
I subscribe to the "coincidental coinage" theory - that is, "OK" was in
isolated and independent verbal use in a number of places in the very early
part of the 19th century prior to its first written appearance (in the
Boston Morning Post, on March 23rd, 1839). It would have faded into
obscurity if it were not for some of the other appearances in the years that
followed.

     So here are just some of the theories (some of which are, in reality,
just attempts to fix an earliest date, and some of which are highly
fanciful!), and my own personal summary appears at the end.

     The Choctaw theory

     In the American Choctaw Indian language, there is a word okeh, which
means "it is so". It is likely (although I can find no hard evidence) that
this word was used in some American communities in the early 19th century.
There is a report that Andrew Jackson, during the Battle of New Orleans in
1815, learned of this Choctaw word, liked it, and used it.

     Woodrow Wilson also preferred this etymology, and used okeh when he
approved official papers. His use led to this particular form being picked
up by Okeh Records, "the name of a series of popular phonograph records"
[Mencken, 1936] as well as hot-dog stands, shoe-shining parlours and more.

     The Andrew Jackson Libel theory

     Some time around 1832, Seba Smith was accused of libel in claiming
that Andrew Jackson endorsed a pronouncement written by his literary
secretary, Amos Kendell, with OK Amos. The details are not very clear, but
it is possible that what was really written was OR, meaning "Order
Recorded". However, one newspaper reporting on the matter, presumably some
years later, said that the letters OK had been adopted "as a sort of
[Democratic] part cry and [were] fastened upon their banners". This does
give at least some credence to the idea that OK was at least in familiar use
prior to 1840.

     The Wolof theory

     Like Choctaw Indian, the Wolof language (spoken in Senegal and The
Gambia, formerly The Gold Coast) has something like okeh to mean an emphatic
"yes" (it's more like waa-key in reality). Wolof has given American English
a number of words, perhaps through the African slave trade, such as juke,
honky (to mean a white man), hipcat (or hepcat, meaning a jazz enthusiast),
jive and even dig (as in "to understand"), although it should be noted that
there is nowhere near universal agreement on these! It is likely that okeh
appeared in early black American spoken slang.

     The Other Languages theories

     Yet more languages have similar-sounding words for "yes" or "it is
so". Liberian has oke, and Burmese has hoakeh, for instance. Yet again, it
is possible that these examples crept into American use in small isolated
areas at some time prior to 1839.

     The Indian Chief theory

     Keokuk was an Indian chief (after whom Keokuk, in Iowa, is named). His
admirers sometimes referred to him as "Old Keokuk, he's all right", and the
initials OK, came to mean the same thing.

     The orl korrect theory

     The Internet fashion for condensing phrases into abbreviation
certainly not new! The 1830s saw a rise of quirky abbreviations for common
phrases, which for some reason seems to have been particularly popular in
Boston. ISBD was used to mean "it shall be done", RTBS for "it remains to be
seen" and SP for "small potatoes".

     It went further, with KY used to mean "no use" (know yuse) and an
article in the March 23rd, 1839, edition of the Boston Morning Post, saw
this produce OK, short for "all correct" (orl korrect). This is the earliest
published appearance of OK that has so far been found.

     The Richardson theory

     William Richardson recorded his journey from Boston to New Orleans in
his 1815 diary. Transcriptions of the diary show "Arrived at Princeton, a
handsome little village, o.k. and at Trenton where we dined at 1p.m." -
although some have proposed that this showed the use of the expression in
1815, the original manuscript shows that this was actually part of some
alterations that may have been added by Richardson (or someone else),
possibly even after 1840 when the term had come into common use. Another
possibility is that the writing is of a.h., referring to "a handsome", but
there are many objections to this theory.

     The 16th century theories

     Several claims have been made to have found appearances of OK have in
16th century manuscripts. In one instance Notes & Queries (1911) points out
that the will of Thomas Cumberland in 1565 is shown to use OK. But more
careful scrutiny shows that this is more likely to have been the initials of
the scrivener.

     Books published in 1593 and 1596 also have OK included, but apparently
as nouns. The text of one (Have with You to Saffron-Walden, by Thomas Nashe,
the British author) goes "Martin is Guerra, Brown a brone-bill, & Barrow a
wheelbarrow; Ket a knight, H.N. [referring to Henry Nichols] an O.K." As
Mencken states in his supplement to The American Language, "the meaning here
is unfathomable".

     The Old Kinderhook theory

     Martin van Buren was standing as the Democratic presidential candidate
in 1840. He had acquired the nickname of Old Kinderhook (he was born in
Kinderhook, New York). On March 24, 1840 the Democrats opened the OK Club in
Grand Street, New York City, based on the initials of van Buren's nickname.

     The expression OK soon became the watchword of this club, and in that
same year, a Democratic newspaper equated the initials with the strivings of
the party to "make all things OK".

     The Cockney Orl Korrec theory

     The Times, in 1939, had an article reporting that it was of Cockney
origin. The author remembered its use as an abbreviation for Orl korrec when
he was a boy in the late 19th century. However, this post-dates its first
appearance by many years.

     The French theory

     During the American War of Independence, French sailors made
"appointments" with American girls aux quais (meaning when they were berthed
at the quayside). This theory was put forward by Britain's Daily Express
newspaper in 1940.

     The Finish theory

     The Fins have a word for correct, and it is oikea. In a 1940 article,
someone at the Cleveland Public Library suggested that this may be the
origin.

     The British Parliament theory

     The same source as the Cockney theory (The Times, in 1939) pointed out
that some bills going through the House of Lords had to be read and approved
by Lords Onslow and Kilbracken, and they each initialed them - producing the
combined initials OK.

     The Anglo-Saxon theory

     Several centuries before its first appearance, Norwegian and Danish
sailors used an Anglo-Saxon word, hogfor, which meant ready for sea. This
was frequently shortened to HG, which in turn would have been pronounced
hag-gay.

     The Literary theory

     Laurence Sterne was a British author of the 18th century, and in his
book A Sentimental Journey, published in 1768, he uses the emphatic French
form of yes: O qu-oui. In an anglicised pronunciation (oh-key), the phrase
was used by some to express affirmation.

     The Schoolmaster theory

     In a letter in the Vancouver Sun, in 1935, it was pointed out that
early schoolmasters would mark examination papers by adding the Latin Omnis
Korrecta, which was sometimes abbreviated to OK.

     The Ship-Builder theory

     Early ship-builders would mark the timber they prepared, and the first
to be laid was marked "OK Number 1", meaning "outer keel No. 1".

     The Telegraph theory

     Early telegraph operators abbreviated everything, to reduce the amount
of work needed. They would use GM for "Good Morning", GA for "Go Ahead" and
so on. In 1935, Tatler, in the Observer, suggests that they also used OK.
This doesn't stand up at all, as the telegraph post-dated the first written
occurrence and it is almost certain, in my view, that they adopted OK rather
than inventing it.

     The Scottish theory

     We've all heard the Scottish expression, och-aye. An author in the
Nottingham Journal in 1943 suggests that OK is simply an adaptation of this
expression. The Scottish expression derives from och, meaning an exclamation
of surprise and aye meaning yes, and has been in existence since perhaps the
16th century.

Hmmmmmmmm... -- DSH

     The Old English theory

     In early England, the last harvest loads brought in from the fields
were known as hoacky or horkey. It was also the name given to harvest-home,
which was the feast which followed the last loads brought in. The
satisfactory completion of harvest was therefore known as hoacky, which was
soon (at least according to an article in the Daily Telegraph in 1935)
shortened to OK.

     The Prussian theory

     The Times printed a suggestion that the Prussian general, Schliessen
(fighting for the American colonies during the War of Independence) was
properly given the title Oberst Kommandant. All his orders were initialed
OK.

     The Greek theory

     Probably the earliest suggestion comes from the Greek. The two Greek
letters omega and khi appear in a work called Geoponica in 920AD as being a
magical incantation (when repeated twice) against fleas!

Hmmmmmmm... Let's watch it work against the fleas on USENET. -- DSH

     The Railway theory

     Obediah Kelly was an early railway freighter. He is known to have
signed bills of lading with his initials, OK, and in railway circles OK came
to mean that something had been authorised.

     The War-Department (or cracker) theory

     During the Civil War, the US War Department bought supplies of
crackers from a company called Orrins-Kendall. Their initials appeared on
the boxes, and as the crackers were of a particularly high standard, the
letters OK became synonymous with "all right". This theory was originally
put forward in a publication called Linguist, from the Horace Mann School
for Boys in New York, although it has subsequently appeared in a number of
other publications.

     The multitudinous other theories

     During 1840, American politicians used the term frequently, and dreamt
up many absurd (and often pointed) origins. Out of Kash, out of kredit, out
of klothes, all became identified with van Buren's campaign. And on the
floor of the House of Representatives, a congressman from Illinois suggested
it meant Orful Kalamity.

     Since 1840, many other explanations have been reported. The list
above, although long and fanciful, is only the tip of the iceberg!

       So just where did OK come from?

           I will leave the reader to come to his or her own conclusions
from the above. However, my own view is that there are bits of several of
the above explanations involved.

           Unfortunately, etymologists and word-lovers alike seem to have
an innate desire to have a single point of origin for words. If they're
unable to find that, they like to see clearly defined lines of evolution. My
own view is that many words and phrases arise, not from single sources, but
through my own theory of "coincidental coinage", where many disparate uses
have occurred but which are brought together by some single act.

           I would suggest that the Choctaw, and possibly even the other
foreign language influences, had resulted in small pockets of America using
okeh or something similar. This may have been the case perhaps back as far
as the 17th century, but more likely the 18th.

           The existence of these examples reinforced the Democrats' use of
OK to mean Old Kinderhook, and soon the OK Club became well known.
Inevitably, the club would have become well known through the nation's
newspapers and, reinforced by folk etymologies, the term became quickly
established.

           I would therefore argue that there is no single origin of the
expression, but it was the OK Club that was responsible for bringing the
expression to a wide public arena and which could, in some ways, be said to
have at least started the trend which has continued ever since.

     Finally

     The above notes have been compiled by me on and off over the past few
years. Many books and Internet sources reproduce the same arguments, and
these have been one foundation, backed up by rather firmer documentary
evidence that I have found.  But the major source is undoubtedly "The
American Language", by HL Mencken, in its various editions and supplements.
---------------------

DSH
Larry Swain - 18 Nov 2007 22:22 GMT
> More Grist For The Mill...
>
> From Mike Todd at:
>
> <http://www.miketodd.net/encyc/okay.htm>

Except that Mr Todd has no linguistic training, and most of the various
theories he collects may be dismissed from lack of evidence.  "OK" isn't
attested in the language before 1839 in Boston, so any theories
regarding Anglo-Saxon, Old English, French, Greek, etc. are in error.
The "Choctaw" word is alleged, but not attested and furthermore lived in
 Mississippi area, nowhere near Boston at the time that the word or
abbreviation enters the language.  So you're just as wrong and incorrect
as you say Renia is.
D. Spencer Hines - 19 Nov 2007 04:58 GMT
Renia Simmonds has been truly "Greeked"...

Having lived far too long in Athens, she has fallen in with the wrong sort
and has come to believe the Greeks invented everything.

Her codswalloped mindset is similar to that of the Soviets who claimed
everything from manned, heavier-than-air, powered flight to Russian roulette
had been invented by them.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

> O.K. is an acronym for the Greek "Ola kala" = all well
>
> So, one would be saying "it's all all well".

She stupidly dates it as mid-twentieth century Greek shipping port language,
based on some offhand offal from her "hubby", which is FAR too late, and
then air-headedly admits somewhat later, in a complete _volte face_:

> Knowing the Greeks, they've probably claimed it as their own acronym!

Yes, Renia has been deucedly Greeked, by Jove [Zeus]!

_AU CONTRAIRE_........

Vide infra pro sapientia.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum
-----------------------------------------------------

Allen Walker Read wrote several papers in the journal American Speech in the
60s on the stages in the history of "O.K."

What is interesting is the term OK is a survivor from a fad of what
comes close to text-messaging from the 1839 period. A man who F.A. H.
"fell at Hoboken" as the result of a duel  W.O.O.O.F.C. "With one of
our first citizens", any retribution to betaken R.T.B.S. "remains to
be seen".

Others are d.l.e.c. "Do let 'em come" as a response to an offer of
green peas, lost finished = d.u. "Dun up", w.y.g. "Will you go", and
the g.t.d.h.d. "give the devil his due".

"The First Stage of the History of "O.K.", Allen Walker Read, American
Speech, Feb. 1963, pp 5-27.

Obituary
Allen Read

Oct 24th 2002
From The Economist print edition
Allen Walker Read, etymologist, died on October 16th, aged 96

Columbia University

FOR much of his long career studying language Allen Read sought the
origin of OK, perhaps the most useful expression of universal
communication yet devised. You can use OK not simply to indicate
agreement but, with appropriate facial expressions, shades of
agreement, even disagreement. It is a vocabulary in itself. No wonder
that OK has found its way into nearly every language in every country,
and beyond. It was the fourth word, if you can call it that, heard on
the moon, spoken by Buzz Aldrin. For etymologists, establishing the
origin of OK became something of an obsession, equivalent to
mathematicians' long quest for the proof to Fermat's last theorem.

For years Americans assumed that OK must be of American origin, if
only because it was so successful. Some doubt about this claim arose
in the second world war when American soldiers discovered that OK was
already familiar in other countries; in Britain, of course, but in
Japan and even (according to H.L. Mencken, an American writer on
language) among the Bedouin in the Sahara.

Some linguists suggested that OK was of European origin. After all,
the Europeans had been knocking around the world long before Americans
got on to the scene. Germans said it was the initials of the fiercely-
sounding rank of Oberst Kommandant. The French put in a claim for Aux
Cayes, a town they had established in Haiti that produced superior
rum. A British scholar said the use of OK in Britain predated any
American influence and had probably come from Elizabethan English.
Things were getting serious in the world of etymology. Step forward
the Americans' champion, Allen Walker Read.

Racy words

As early as he could remember Mr Read was interested in the origin of
words. In Minnesota, where he was born, he sought the source of local
place names, and wrote a paper on the subject while studying at Iowa
University. He had a spell in England as a Rhodes scholar and returned
to teach English at various universities in the mid-west. He sought
words that he said had "a racy, human quality", and there were none
racier than the graffiti collected by Mr Read during a trip of several
months through the western United States and Canada in the summer of
1928.

He put together the results of his trip in a book entitled, "Lexical
Evidence from Epigraphy in Western North America: a Glossarial Study
of the Low Element in the English Vocabulary". Notwithstanding the
academic title, the book contained material unacceptable for
publication at the time in America. One of the milder entries, found
by Mr Read on a monument, reads: "When you want to sh.t in ease/Place
your elbows on your knees/Put your hands against your chin/Let a fart
and then begin". Mr Read had the book printed in Paris in 1935,
perhaps encouraged that James Joyce had first published "Ulysses"
there in the 1920s. Even so, only 75 copies of "Lexical Evidence" were
printed and issued privately to "students of linguistics, folklore,
abnormal psychology and allied branches of social sciences". The book
was published in the United States in 1977 as "Classic American
Graffiti".

Mr Read, who was professor of English at Columbia University in New
York for nearly 30 years from 1945, published several other books and
hundreds of papers, mainly on American English. Discovering the origin
of OK was, he said, no more than an agreeable diversion from his main
work. It was fun to do the research, helped by his wife Charlotte, a
scholar in semantics. But for envious fellow etymologists it was the
pinnacle of his career.

In his hunt for the origin of OK he was offered dozens of theories.

The first to go were the European ones. They were appealing: Mr Read
liked what he called "frolicsome" ideas. But they had no substance, he
said.

BINGO! -- DSH

He was convinced that OK was American. He warmed to the idea
that the popularity of Orrin Kendall biscuits, supplied to soldiers on
the Union side in the civil war, had lived on as OK. He noted there
was a telegraph term known as Open Key. But OK proved to have been
used much earlier. Writing in American Speech in 1963, Mr Read said
that he had come across it in the Boston Morning Post in 1839. In what
was apparently a satirical article about bad spelling it stood for
"Oll Korrect". The next stage in OK's popularity was when it was
adopted by followers of Martin Van Buren, who in 1836 became the
eighth president of the United States, and unsuccessfully stood for re-
election in 1840, by which time he was widely known as Old Kinderhook,
a nickname he derived from his home town. "Vote for OK" was snappier
than using his Dutch name.

Mr Read showed how, stage by stage, OK was spread throughout North
America and the world to the moon, and then took on its new form AOK,
first used by space people and frowned on by purists.

This being an exercise in the academic world, there remain some doubters.
Some believe that the Boston newspaper's reference to OK may not be the
earliest.  Some are attracted to the claim that it is of American-Indian
origin.  There is an Indian word, okeh, used as an affirmative reply to a
question.  Mr Read treated such doubting calmly. "Nothing is absolute," he
once wrote, "nothing is forever."

Hmmmmmmm...

The question of WHICH American-Indian language has this word _okeh_ should
have been noted.

It is reportedly CHOCTAW.

Aye, Watson, the game is afoot.

[To Be Continued]

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Exitus Acta Probat
D. Spencer Hines - 19 Nov 2007 04:58 GMT
More Grist For The Mill...

From Mike Todd at:

<http://www.miketodd.net/encyc/okay.htm>

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Deus Vult
---------------------------------------------------

     Where did OKAY come from?

     There can be no more universal term than Okay.  It is used in just
about every language in the world, and its use is probably even more
widespread than Coca-Cola. Yet nobody really knows for sure where it
originated. In fact, just as there can be no more universal term, there can
also be no more controversial when it comes to determining its origin.

     The reality is that most theories are folklore, invented (albeit based
on real occurrences) to try to provide a definitive explanation. Personally,
I subscribe to the "coincidental coinage" theory - that is, "OK" was in
isolated and independent verbal use in a number of places in the very early
part of the 19th century prior to its first written appearance (in the
Boston Morning Post, on March 23rd, 1839). It would have faded into
obscurity if it were not for some of the other appearances in the years that
followed.

     So here are just some of the theories (some of which are, in reality,
just attempts to fix an earliest date, and some of which are highly
fanciful!), and my own personal summary appears at the end.

     The Choctaw theory

     In the American Choctaw Indian language, there is a word okeh, which
means "it is so". It is likely (although I can find no hard evidence) that
this word was used in some American communities in the early 19th century.
There is a report that Andrew Jackson, during the Battle of New Orleans in
1815, learned of this Choctaw word, liked it, and used it.

     Woodrow Wilson also preferred this etymology, and used okeh when he
approved official papers. His use led to this particular form being picked
up by Okeh Records, "the name of a series of popular phonograph records"
[Mencken, 1936] as well as hot-dog stands, shoe-shining parlours and more.

     The Andrew Jackson Libel theory

     Some time around 1832, Seba Smith was accused of libel in claiming
that Andrew Jackson endorsed a pronouncement written by his literary
secretary, Amos Kendell, with OK Amos. The details are not very clear, but
it is possible that what was really written was OR, meaning "Order
Recorded". However, one newspaper reporting on the matter, presumably some
years later, said that the letters OK had been adopted "as a sort of
[Democratic] part cry and [were] fastened upon their banners". This does
give at least some credence to the idea that OK was at least in familiar use
prior to 1840.

     The Wolof theory

     Like Choctaw Indian, the Wolof language (spoken in Senegal and The
Gambia, formerly The Gold Coast) has something like okeh to mean an emphatic
"yes" (it's more like waa-key in reality). Wolof has given American English
a number of words, perhaps through the African slave trade, such as juke,
honky (to mean a white man), hipcat (or hepcat, meaning a jazz enthusiast),
jive and even dig (as in "to understand"), although it should be noted that
there is nowhere near universal agreement on these! It is likely that okeh
appeared in early black American spoken slang.

     The Other Languages theories

     Yet more languages have similar-sounding words for "yes" or "it is
so". Liberian has oke, and Burmese has hoakeh, for instance. Yet again, it
is possible that these examples crept into American use in small isolated
areas at some time prior to 1839.

     The Indian Chief theory

     Keokuk was an Indian chief (after whom Keokuk, in Iowa, is named). His
admirers sometimes referred to him as "Old Keokuk, he's all right", and the
initials OK, came to mean the same thing.

     The orl korrect theory

     The Internet fashion for condensing phrases into abbreviation
certainly not new! The 1830s saw a rise of quirky abbreviations for common
phrases, which for some reason seems to have been particularly popular in
Boston. ISBD was used to mean "it shall be done", RTBS for "it remains to be
seen" and SP for "small potatoes".

     It went further, with KY used to mean "no use" (know yuse) and an
article in the March 23rd, 1839, edition of the Boston Morning Post, saw
this produce OK, short for "all correct" (orl korrect). This is the earliest
published appearance of OK that has so far been found.

     The Richardson theory

     William Richardson recorded his journey from Boston to New Orleans in
his 1815 diary. Transcriptions of the diary show "Arrived at Princeton, a
handsome little village, o.k. and at Trenton where we dined at 1p.m." -
although some have proposed that this showed the use of the expression in
1815, the original manuscript shows that this was actually part of some
alterations that may have been added by Richardson (or someone else),
possibly even after 1840 when the term had come into common use. Another
possibility is that the writing is of a.h., referring to "a handsome", but
there are many objections to this theory.

     The 16th century theories

     Several claims have been made to have found appearances of OK have in
16th century manuscripts. In one instance Notes & Queries (1911) points out
that the will of Thomas Cumberland in 1565 is shown to use OK. But more
careful scrutiny shows that this is more likely to have been the initials of
the scrivener.

     Books published in 1593 and 1596 also have OK included, but apparently
as nouns. The text of one (Have with You to Saffron-Walden, by Thomas Nashe,
the British author) goes "Martin is Guerra, Brown a brone-bill, & Barrow a
wheelbarrow; Ket a knight, H.N. [referring to Henry Nichols] an O.K." As
Mencken states in his supplement to The American Language, "the meaning here
is unfathomable".

     The Old Kinderhook theory

     Martin van Buren was standing as the Democratic presidential candidate
in 1840. He had acquired the nickname of Old Kinderhook (he was born in
Kinderhook, New York). On March 24, 1840 the Democrats opened the OK Club in
Grand Street, New York City, based on the initials of van Buren's nickname.

     The expression OK soon became the watchword of this club, and in that
same year, a Democratic newspaper equated the initials with the strivings of
the party to "make all things OK".

     The Cockney Orl Korrec theory

     The Times, in 1939, had an article reporting that it was of Cockney
origin. The author remembered its use as an abbreviation for Orl korrec when
he was a boy in the late 19th century. However, this post-dates its first
appearance by many years.

     The French theory

     During the American War of Independence, French sailors made
"appointments" with American girls aux quais (meaning when they were berthed
at the quayside). This theory was put forward by Britain's Daily Express
newspaper in 1940.

     The Finish theory

     The Fins have a word for correct, and it is oikea. In a 1940 article,
someone at the Cleveland Public Library suggested that this may be the
origin.

     The British Parliament theory

     The same source as the Cockney theory (The Times, in 1939) pointed out
that some bills going through the House of Lords had to be read and approved
by Lords Onslow and Kilbracken, and they each initialed them - producing the
combined initials OK.

     The Anglo-Saxon theory

     Several centuries before its first appearance, Norwegian and Danish
sailors used an Anglo-Saxon word, hogfor, which meant ready for sea. This
was frequently shortened to HG, which in turn would have been pronounced
hag-gay.

     The Literary theory

     Laurence Sterne was a British author of the 18th century, and in his
book A Sentimental Journey, published in 1768, he uses the emphatic French
form of yes: O qu-oui. In an anglicised pronunciation (oh-key), the phrase
was used by some to express affirmation.

     The Schoolmaster theory

     In a letter in the Vancouver Sun, in 1935, it was pointed out that
early schoolmasters would mark examination papers by adding the Latin Omnis
Korrecta, which was sometimes abbreviated to OK.

     The Ship-Builder theory

     Early ship-builders would mark the timber they prepared, and the first
to be laid was marked "OK Number 1", meaning "outer keel No. 1".

     The Telegraph theory

     Early telegraph operators abbreviated everything, to reduce the amount
of work needed. They would use GM for "Good Morning", GA for "Go Ahead" and
so on. In 1935, Tatler, in the Observer, suggests that they also used OK.
This doesn't stand up at all, as the telegraph post-dated the first written
occurrence and it is almost certain, in my view, that they adopted OK rather
than inventing it.

     The Scottish theory

     We've all heard the Scottish expression, och-aye. An author in the
Nottingham Journal in 1943 suggests that OK is simply an adaptation of this
expression. The Scottish expression derives from och, meaning an exclamation
of surprise and aye meaning yes, and has been in existence since perhaps the
16th century.

Hmmmmmmmm... -- DSH

     The Old English theory

     In early England, the last harvest loads brought in from the fields
were known as hoacky or horkey. It was also the name given to harvest-home,
which was the feast which followed the last loads brought in. The
satisfactory completion of harvest was therefore known as hoacky, which was
soon (at least according to an article in the Daily Telegraph in 1935)
shortened to OK.

     The Prussian theory

     The Times printed a suggestion that the Prussian general, Schliessen
(fighting for the American colonies during the War of Independence) was
properly given the title Oberst Kommandant. All his orders were initialed
OK.

     The Greek theory

     Probably the earliest suggestion comes from the Greek. The two Greek
letters omega and khi appear in a work called Geoponica in 920AD as being a
magical incantation (when repeated twice) against fleas!

Hmmmmmmm... Let's watch it work against the fleas on USENET. -- DSH

     The Railway theory

     Obediah Kelly was an early railway freighter. He is known to have
signed bills of lading with his initials, OK, and in railway circles OK came
to mean that something had been authorised.

     The War-Department (or cracker) theory

     During the Civil War, the US War Department bought supplies of
crackers from a company called Orrins-Kendall. Their initials appeared on
the boxes, and as the crackers were of a particularly high standard, the
letters OK became synonymous with "all right". This theory was originally
put forward in a publication called Linguist, from the Horace Mann School
for Boys in New York, although it has subsequently appeared in a number of
other publications.

     The multitudinous other theories

     During 1840, American politicians used the term frequently, and dreamt
up many absurd (and often pointed) origins. Out of Kash, out of kredit, out
of klothes, all became identified with van Buren's campaign. And on the
floor of the House of Representatives, a congressman from Illinois suggested
it meant Orful Kalamity.

     Since 1840, many other explanations have been reported. The list
above, although long and fanciful, is only the tip of the iceberg!

       So just where did OK come from?

           I will leave the reader to come to his or her own conclusions
from the above. However, my own view is that there are bits of several of
the above explanations involved.

           Unfortunately, etymologists and word-lovers alike seem to have
an innate desire to have a single point of origin for words. If they're
unable to find that, they like to see clearly defined lines of evolution. My
own view is that many words and phrases arise, not from single sources, but
through my own theory of "coincidental coinage", where many disparate uses
have occurred but which are brought together by some single act.

           I would suggest that the Choctaw, and possibly even the other
foreign language influences, had resulted in small pockets of America using
okeh or something similar. This may have been the case perhaps back as far
as the 17th century, but more likely the 18th.

           The existence of these examples reinforced the Democrats' use of
OK to mean Old Kinderhook, and soon the OK Club became well known.
Inevitably, the club would have become well known through the nation's
newspapers and, reinforced by folk etymologies, the term became quickly
established.

           I would therefore argue that there is no single origin of the
expression, but it was the OK Club that was responsible for bringing the
expression to a wide public arena and which could, in some ways, be said to
have at least started the trend which has continued ever since.

     Finally

     The above notes have been compiled by me on and off over the past few
years. Many books and Internet sources reproduce the same arguments, and
these have been one foundation, backed up by rather firmer documentary
evidence that I have found.  But the major source is undoubtedly "The
American Language", by HL Mencken, in its various editions and supplements.
---------------------

DSH
D. Spencer Hines - 19 Nov 2007 05:00 GMT
Hilarious!

Grasping At Straws.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>>>In Greek, O.K. is a correctly-spelled abbreviation for the expression,
>>>Ola Kala (??? ????, ??), which has the same meaning as the American
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> Prior to that,some of them possibly fled the Turks and saile [sic] off to
> America.
D. Spencer Hines - 19 Nov 2007 05:01 GMT
No, you separate them with POGEY BAIT.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>> The Greek explanation for the origin of OK is infinitely more credible
>> than the hilarious proposal that it was all down to a moronic misspelling
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>
> with a crowbar
D. Spencer Hines - 19 Nov 2007 05:02 GMT
Hilarious!

Well, there are indeed thousands of them in Britain -- but not the ENTIRE
NATION.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

> IDOT!  [sic]
>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> love. Everyone in Europe considers Britain to be a nation of queers and
> lesbians.
Archer - 19 Nov 2007 12:42 GMT
----snip----

>       There can be no more universal term than Okay.  It is used in just
> about every language in the world, and its use is probably even more
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
>       The reality is that most theories are folklore,

Actually, "most *theories on this matter* are folklore".

>                                                       invented (albeit based
> on real occurrences) to try to provide a definitive explanation. Personally,
> I subscribe to the "coincidental coinage" theory - that is, "OK" was in
> isolated and independent verbal use in a number of places in the very early
> part of the 19th century prior to its first written appearance (in the
> Boston Morning Post, on March 23rd, 1839).

Nope. First *published* appearance.

>                                            It would have faded into
> obscurity if it were not for some of the other appearances in the years that
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
> There is a report that Andrew Jackson, during the Battle of New Orleans in
> 1815, learned of this Choctaw word, liked it, and used it.

Could well be, but Wilson's preference for an etymology reflects only that
the spoken word "okay" was already in widespread use.

----snip----

>       The orl korrect theory
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> this produce OK, short for "all correct" (orl korrect). This is the earliest
> published appearance of OK that has so far been found.

The problem is that deriving a word from a pair of initials leaves every
other word-pair that can be concocted with those two initials as a legiymate
candidate for its meaning. What needs to be tracked is the word's use
in speech. Andrew Jackson's use (if it occurred), predates the BMP use.

----snip----

>       The Old Kinderhook theory
>
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> same year, a Democratic newspaper equated the initials with the strivings of
> the party to "make all things OK".

I note that the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (1975) calls that its
origin. Given the depth, breadth and persistence of OED research, I deduce
that there is no incontrovertible link from any previous use of "okay" to
that campaign, which marks its entry into the language as a widely used
and widely known term with a set of meanings around "good" or "well", and
is thus the nearest thing possible to an "origin".

----snip----

>       The Schoolmaster theory
>
>       In a letter in the Vancouver Sun, in 1935, it was pointed out that
> early schoolmasters would mark examination papers by adding the Latin Omnis
> Korrecta, which was sometimes abbreviated to OK.

"Early"? That could go back many centuries.

>       The Ship-Builder theory
>
>       Early ship-builders would mark the timber they prepared, and the first
> to be laid was marked "OK Number 1", meaning "outer keel No. 1".

So could that.

----snip----

>         So just where did OK come from?
>
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> okeh or something similar. This may have been the case perhaps back as far
> as the 17th century, but more likely the 18th.

The Occupation of Ship-Builder could have had "okay" in its spoken vocabulary
throughout the English-speaking world. That of Schoolmaster could have had
"okay" in the spoken vocabulary shared with students wherever and whenever
Latin was taught.

>             The existence of these examples reinforced the Democrats' use of
> OK to mean Old Kinderhook, and soon the OK Club became well known.
> Inevitably, the club would have become well known through the nation's
> newspapers and, reinforced by folk etymologies, the term became quickly
> established.

It wouldn't surprise me to learn that van Buren was extensively satirised,
and that the previous year's BMP derivation was a satirical vanBurenism,
making people laugh at van Buren and his funny English, but having no
effect on any spoken usage of "okay". The Democrats could well have been
inspired by that.

>             I would therefore argue that there is no single origin of the
> expression, but it was the OK Club that was responsible for bringing the
> expression to a wide public arena and which could, in some ways, be said to
> have at least started the trend which has continued ever since.

I think that the campaign based on "make everything OK" is the event that
made it into a language-wide item. The whole nation would have been swamped
(as far as the technology could do it) with that campaign slogan, and given
widespread jargon and occasional use of spoken terms "okay" with meanings
that carry a buzz similar to the one they wanted to employ, that swamping
would have pulled it into the language.

Even the Republican ridicule of the ideograph "O.K." would have
reinforced it.

----snip----
 
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