Re: Beware The Greeks...Origin Of _O.K._
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D. Spencer Hines - 18 Nov 2007 20:47 GMT More Grist For The Mill...
From Mike Todd at:
<http://www.miketodd.net/encyc/okay.htm>
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult ---------------------------------------------------
Where did OKAY come from?
There can be no more universal term than Okay. It is used in just about every language in the world, and its use is probably even more widespread than Coca-Cola. Yet nobody really knows for sure where it originated. In fact, just as there can be no more universal term, there can also be no more controversial when it comes to determining its origin.
The reality is that most theories are folklore, invented (albeit based on real occurrences) to try to provide a definitive explanation. Personally, I subscribe to the "coincidental coinage" theory - that is, "OK" was in isolated and independent verbal use in a number of places in the very early part of the 19th century prior to its first written appearance (in the Boston Morning Post, on March 23rd, 1839). It would have faded into obscurity if it were not for some of the other appearances in the years that followed.
So here are just some of the theories (some of which are, in reality, just attempts to fix an earliest date, and some of which are highly fanciful!), and my own personal summary appears at the end.
The Choctaw theory
In the American Choctaw Indian language, there is a word okeh, which means "it is so". It is likely (although I can find no hard evidence) that this word was used in some American communities in the early 19th century. There is a report that Andrew Jackson, during the Battle of New Orleans in 1815, learned of this Choctaw word, liked it, and used it.
Woodrow Wilson also preferred this etymology, and used okeh when he approved official papers. His use led to this particular form being picked up by Okeh Records, "the name of a series of popular phonograph records" [Mencken, 1936] as well as hot-dog stands, shoe-shining parlours and more.
The Andrew Jackson Libel theory
Some time around 1832, Seba Smith was accused of libel in claiming that Andrew Jackson endorsed a pronouncement written by his literary secretary, Amos Kendell, with OK Amos. The details are not very clear, but it is possible that what was really written was OR, meaning "Order Recorded". However, one newspaper reporting on the matter, presumably some years later, said that the letters OK had been adopted "as a sort of [Democratic] part cry and [were] fastened upon their banners". This does give at least some credence to the idea that OK was at least in familiar use prior to 1840.
The Wolof theory
Like Choctaw Indian, the Wolof language (spoken in Senegal and The Gambia, formerly The Gold Coast) has something like okeh to mean an emphatic "yes" (it's more like waa-key in reality). Wolof has given American English a number of words, perhaps through the African slave trade, such as juke, honky (to mean a white man), hipcat (or hepcat, meaning a jazz enthusiast), jive and even dig (as in "to understand"), although it should be noted that there is nowhere near universal agreement on these! It is likely that okeh appeared in early black American spoken slang.
The Other Languages theories
Yet more languages have similar-sounding words for "yes" or "it is so". Liberian has oke, and Burmese has hoakeh, for instance. Yet again, it is possible that these examples crept into American use in small isolated areas at some time prior to 1839.
The Indian Chief theory
Keokuk was an Indian chief (after whom Keokuk, in Iowa, is named). His admirers sometimes referred to him as "Old Keokuk, he's all right", and the initials OK, came to mean the same thing.
The orl korrect theory
The Internet fashion for condensing phrases into abbreviation certainly not new! The 1830s saw a rise of quirky abbreviations for common phrases, which for some reason seems to have been particularly popular in Boston. ISBD was used to mean "it shall be done", RTBS for "it remains to be seen" and SP for "small potatoes".
It went further, with KY used to mean "no use" (know yuse) and an article in the March 23rd, 1839, edition of the Boston Morning Post, saw this produce OK, short for "all correct" (orl korrect). This is the earliest published appearance of OK that has so far been found.
The Richardson theory
William Richardson recorded his journey from Boston to New Orleans in his 1815 diary. Transcriptions of the diary show "Arrived at Princeton, a handsome little village, o.k. and at Trenton where we dined at 1p.m." - although some have proposed that this showed the use of the expression in 1815, the original manuscript shows that this was actually part of some alterations that may have been added by Richardson (or someone else), possibly even after 1840 when the term had come into common use. Another possibility is that the writing is of a.h., referring to "a handsome", but there are many objections to this theory.
The 16th century theories
Several claims have been made to have found appearances of OK have in 16th century manuscripts. In one instance Notes & Queries (1911) points out that the will of Thomas Cumberland in 1565 is shown to use OK. But more careful scrutiny shows that this is more likely to have been the initials of the scrivener.
Books published in 1593 and 1596 also have OK included, but apparently as nouns. The text of one (Have with You to Saffron-Walden, by Thomas Nashe, the British author) goes "Martin is Guerra, Brown a brone-bill, & Barrow a wheelbarrow; Ket a knight, H.N. [referring to Henry Nichols] an O.K." As Mencken states in his supplement to The American Language, "the meaning here is unfathomable".
The Old Kinderhook theory
Martin van Buren was standing as the Democratic presidential candidate in 1840. He had acquired the nickname of Old Kinderhook (he was born in Kinderhook, New York). On March 24, 1840 the Democrats opened the OK Club in Grand Street, New York City, based on the initials of van Buren's nickname.
The expression OK soon became the watchword of this club, and in that same year, a Democratic newspaper equated the initials with the strivings of the party to "make all things OK".
The Cockney Orl Korrec theory
The Times, in 1939, had an article reporting that it was of Cockney origin. The author remembered its use as an abbreviation for Orl korrec when he was a boy in the late 19th century. However, this post-dates its first appearance by many years.
The French theory
During the American War of Independence, French sailors made "appointments" with American girls aux quais (meaning when they were berthed at the quayside). This theory was put forward by Britain's Daily Express newspaper in 1940.
The Finish theory
The Fins have a word for correct, and it is oikea. In a 1940 article, someone at the Cleveland Public Library suggested that this may be the origin.
The British Parliament theory
The same source as the Cockney theory (The Times, in 1939) pointed out that some bills going through the House of Lords had to be read and approved by Lords Onslow and Kilbracken, and they each initialed them - producing the combined initials OK.
The Anglo-Saxon theory
Several centuries before its first appearance, Norwegian and Danish sailors used an Anglo-Saxon word, hogfor, which meant ready for sea. This was frequently shortened to HG, which in turn would have been pronounced hag-gay.
The Literary theory
Laurence Sterne was a British author of the 18th century, and in his book A Sentimental Journey, published in 1768, he uses the emphatic French form of yes: O qu-oui. In an anglicised pronunciation (oh-key), the phrase was used by some to express affirmation.
The Schoolmaster theory
In a letter in the Vancouver Sun, in 1935, it was pointed out that early schoolmasters would mark examination papers by adding the Latin Omnis Korrecta, which was sometimes abbreviated to OK.
The Ship-Builder theory
Early ship-builders would mark the timber they prepared, and the first to be laid was marked "OK Number 1", meaning "outer keel No. 1".
The Telegraph theory
Early telegraph operators abbreviated everything, to reduce the amount of work needed. They would use GM for "Good Morning", GA for "Go Ahead" and so on. In 1935, Tatler, in the Observer, suggests that they also used OK. This doesn't stand up at all, as the telegraph post-dated the first written occurrence and it is almost certain, in my view, that they adopted OK rather than inventing it.
The Scottish theory
We've all heard the Scottish expression, och-aye. An author in the Nottingham Journal in 1943 suggests that OK is simply an adaptation of this expression. The Scottish expression derives from och, meaning an exclamation of surprise and aye meaning yes, and has been in existence since perhaps the 16th century.
Hmmmmmmmm... -- DSH
The Old English theory
In early England, the last harvest loads brought in from the fields were known as hoacky or horkey. It was also the name given to harvest-home, which was the feast which followed the last loads brought in. The satisfactory completion of harvest was therefore known as hoacky, which was soon (at least according to an article in the Daily Telegraph in 1935) shortened to OK.
The Prussian theory
The Times printed a suggestion that the Prussian general, Schliessen (fighting for the American colonies during the War of Independence) was properly given the title Oberst Kommandant. All his orders were initialed OK.
The Greek theory
Probably the earliest suggestion comes from the Greek. The two Greek letters omega and khi appear in a work called Geoponica in 920AD as being a magical incantation (when repeated twice) against fleas!
Hmmmmmmm... Let's watch it work against the fleas on USENET. -- DSH
The Railway theory
Obediah Kelly was an early railway freighter. He is known to have signed bills of lading with his initials, OK, and in railway circles OK came to mean that something had been authorised.
The War-Department (or cracker) theory
During the Civil War, the US War Department bought supplies of crackers from a company called Orrins-Kendall. Their initials appeared on the boxes, and as the crackers were of a particularly high standard, the letters OK became synonymous with "all right". This theory was originally put forward in a publication called Linguist, from the Horace Mann School for Boys in New York, although it has subsequently appeared in a number of other publications.
The multitudinous other theories
During 1840, American politicians used the term frequently, and dreamt up many absurd (and often pointed) origins. Out of Kash, out of kredit, out of klothes, all became identified with van Buren's campaign. And on the floor of the House of Representatives, a congressman from Illinois suggested it meant Orful Kalamity.
Since 1840, many other explanations have been reported. The list above, although long and fanciful, is only the tip of the iceberg!
So just where did OK come from?
I will leave the reader to come to his or her own conclusions from the above. However, my own view is that there are bits of several of the above explanations involved.
Unfortunately, etymologists and word-lovers alike seem to have an innate desire to have a single point of origin for words. If they're unable to find that, they like to see clearly defined lines of evolution. My own view is that many words and phrases arise, not from single sources, but through my own theory of "coincidental coinage", where many disparate uses have occurred but which are brought together by some single act.
I would suggest that the Choctaw, and possibly even the other foreign language influences, had resulted in small pockets of America using okeh or something similar. This may have been the case perhaps back as far as the 17th century, but more likely the 18th.
The existence of these examples reinforced the Democrats' use of OK to mean Old Kinderhook, and soon the OK Club became well known. Inevitably, the club would have become well known through the nation's newspapers and, reinforced by folk etymologies, the term became quickly established.
I would therefore argue that there is no single origin of the expression, but it was the OK Club that was responsible for bringing the expression to a wide public arena and which could, in some ways, be said to have at least started the trend which has continued ever since.
Finally
The above notes have been compiled by me on and off over the past few years. Many books and Internet sources reproduce the same arguments, and these have been one foundation, backed up by rather firmer documentary evidence that I have found. But the major source is undoubtedly "The American Language", by HL Mencken, in its various editions and supplements. ---------------------
DSH
Larry Swain - 18 Nov 2007 22:22 GMT > More Grist For The Mill... > > From Mike Todd at: > > <http://www.miketodd.net/encyc/okay.htm> Except that Mr Todd has no linguistic training, and most of the various theories he collects may be dismissed from lack of evidence. "OK" isn't attested in the language before 1839 in Boston, so any theories regarding Anglo-Saxon, Old English, French, Greek, etc. are in error. The "Choctaw" word is alleged, but not attested and furthermore lived in Mississippi area, nowhere near Boston at the time that the word or abbreviation enters the language. So you're just as wrong and incorrect as you say Renia is.
D. Spencer Hines - 19 Nov 2007 04:58 GMT Renia Simmonds has been truly "Greeked"...
Having lived far too long in Athens, she has fallen in with the wrong sort and has come to believe the Greeks invented everything.
Her codswalloped mindset is similar to that of the Soviets who claimed everything from manned, heavier-than-air, powered flight to Russian roulette had been invented by them.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> O.K. is an acronym for the Greek "Ola kala" = all well > > So, one would be saying "it's all all well". She stupidly dates it as mid-twentieth century Greek shipping port language, based on some offhand offal from her "hubby", which is FAR too late, and then air-headedly admits somewhat later, in a complete _volte face_:
> Knowing the Greeks, they've probably claimed it as their own acronym! Yes, Renia has been deucedly Greeked, by Jove [Zeus]!
_AU CONTRAIRE_........
Vide infra pro sapientia.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum -----------------------------------------------------
Allen Walker Read wrote several papers in the journal American Speech in the 60s on the stages in the history of "O.K."
What is interesting is the term OK is a survivor from a fad of what comes close to text-messaging from the 1839 period. A man who F.A. H. "fell at Hoboken" as the result of a duel W.O.O.O.F.C. "With one of our first citizens", any retribution to betaken R.T.B.S. "remains to be seen".
Others are d.l.e.c. "Do let 'em come" as a response to an offer of green peas, lost finished = d.u. "Dun up", w.y.g. "Will you go", and the g.t.d.h.d. "give the devil his due".
"The First Stage of the History of "O.K.", Allen Walker Read, American Speech, Feb. 1963, pp 5-27.
Obituary Allen Read
Oct 24th 2002 From The Economist print edition Allen Walker Read, etymologist, died on October 16th, aged 96
Columbia University
FOR much of his long career studying language Allen Read sought the origin of OK, perhaps the most useful expression of universal communication yet devised. You can use OK not simply to indicate agreement but, with appropriate facial expressions, shades of agreement, even disagreement. It is a vocabulary in itself. No wonder that OK has found its way into nearly every language in every country, and beyond. It was the fourth word, if you can call it that, heard on the moon, spoken by Buzz Aldrin. For etymologists, establishing the origin of OK became something of an obsession, equivalent to mathematicians' long quest for the proof to Fermat's last theorem.
For years Americans assumed that OK must be of American origin, if only because it was so successful. Some doubt about this claim arose in the second world war when American soldiers discovered that OK was already familiar in other countries; in Britain, of course, but in Japan and even (according to H.L. Mencken, an American writer on language) among the Bedouin in the Sahara.
Some linguists suggested that OK was of European origin. After all, the Europeans had been knocking around the world long before Americans got on to the scene. Germans said it was the initials of the fiercely- sounding rank of Oberst Kommandant. The French put in a claim for Aux Cayes, a town they had established in Haiti that produced superior rum. A British scholar said the use of OK in Britain predated any American influence and had probably come from Elizabethan English. Things were getting serious in the world of etymology. Step forward the Americans' champion, Allen Walker Read.
Racy words
As early as he could remember Mr Read was interested in the origin of words. In Minnesota, where he was born, he sought the source of local place names, and wrote a paper on the subject while studying at Iowa University. He had a spell in England as a Rhodes scholar and returned to teach English at various universities in the mid-west. He sought words that he said had "a racy, human quality", and there were none racier than the graffiti collected by Mr Read during a trip of several months through the western United States and Canada in the summer of 1928.
He put together the results of his trip in a book entitled, "Lexical Evidence from Epigraphy in Western North America: a Glossarial Study of the Low Element in the English Vocabulary". Notwithstanding the academic title, the book contained material unacceptable for publication at the time in America. One of the milder entries, found by Mr Read on a monument, reads: "When you want to sh.t in ease/Place your elbows on your knees/Put your hands against your chin/Let a fart and then begin". Mr Read had the book printed in Paris in 1935, perhaps encouraged that James Joyce had first published "Ulysses" there in the 1920s. Even so, only 75 copies of "Lexical Evidence" were printed and issued privately to "students of linguistics, folklore, abnormal psychology and allied branches of social sciences". The book was published in the United States in 1977 as "Classic American Graffiti".
Mr Read, who was professor of English at Columbia University in New York for nearly 30 years from 1945, published several other books and hundreds of papers, mainly on American English. Discovering the origin of OK was, he said, no more than an agreeable diversion from his main work. It was fun to do the research, helped by his wife Charlotte, a scholar in semantics. But for envious fellow etymologists it was the pinnacle of his career.
In his hunt for the origin of OK he was offered dozens of theories.
The first to go were the European ones. They were appealing: Mr Read liked what he called "frolicsome" ideas. But they had no substance, he said.
BINGO! -- DSH
He was convinced that OK was American. He warmed to the idea that the popularity of Orrin Kendall biscuits, supplied to soldiers on the Union side in the civil war, had lived on as OK. He noted there was a telegraph term known as Open Key. But OK proved to have been used much earlier. Writing in American Speech in 1963, Mr Read said that he had come across it in the Boston Morning Post in 1839. In what was apparently a satirical article about bad spelling it stood for "Oll Korrect". The next stage in OK's popularity was when it was adopted by followers of Martin Van Buren, who in 1836 became the eighth president of the United States, and unsuccessfully stood for re- election in 1840, by which time he was widely known as Old Kinderhook, a nickname he derived from his home town. "Vote for OK" was snappier than using his Dutch name.
Mr Read showed how, stage by stage, OK was spread throughout North America and the world to the moon, and then took on its new form AOK, first used by space people and frowned on by purists.
This being an exercise in the academic world, there remain some doubters. Some believe that the Boston newspaper's reference to OK may not be the earliest. Some are attracted to the claim that it is of American-Indian origin. There is an Indian word, okeh, used as an affirmative reply to a question. Mr Read treated such doubting calmly. "Nothing is absolute," he once wrote, "nothing is forever."
Hmmmmmmm...
The question of WHICH American-Indian language has this word _okeh_ should have been noted.
It is reportedly CHOCTAW.
Aye, Watson, the game is afoot.
[To Be Continued]
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Exitus Acta Probat
D. Spencer Hines - 19 Nov 2007 04:58 GMT More Grist For The Mill...
From Mike Todd at:
<http://www.miketodd.net/encyc/okay.htm>
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Deus Vult ---------------------------------------------------
Where did OKAY come from?
There can be no more universal term than Okay. It is used in just about every language in the world, and its use is probably even more widespread than Coca-Cola. Yet nobody really knows for sure where it originated. In fact, just as there can be no more universal term, there can also be no more controversial when it comes to determining its origin.
The reality is that most theories are folklore, invented (albeit based on real occurrences) to try to provide a definitive explanation. Personally, I subscribe to the "coincidental coinage" theory - that is, "OK" was in isolated and independent verbal use in a number of places in the very early part of the 19th century prior to its first written appearance (in the Boston Morning Post, on March 23rd, 1839). It would have faded into obscurity if it were not for some of the other appearances in the years that followed.
So here are just some of the theories (some of which are, in reality, just attempts to fix an earliest date, and some of which are highly fanciful!), and my own personal summary appears at the end.
The Choctaw theory
In the American Choctaw Indian language, there is a word okeh, which means "it is so". It is likely (although I can find no hard evidence) that this word was used in some American communities in the early 19th century. There is a report that Andrew Jackson, during the Battle of New Orleans in 1815, learned of this Choctaw word, liked it, and used it.
Woodrow Wilson also preferred this etymology, and used okeh when he approved official papers. His use led to this particular form being picked up by Okeh Records, "the name of a series of popular phonograph records" [Mencken, 1936] as well as hot-dog stands, shoe-shining parlours and more.
The Andrew Jackson Libel theory
Some time around 1832, Seba Smith was accused of libel in claiming that Andrew Jackson endorsed a pronouncement written by his literary secretary, Amos Kendell, with OK Amos. The details are not very clear, but it is possible that what was really written was OR, meaning "Order Recorded". However, one newspaper reporting on the matter, presumably some years later, said that the letters OK had been adopted "as a sort of [Democratic] part cry and [were] fastened upon their banners". This does give at least some credence to the idea that OK was at least in familiar use prior to 1840.
The Wolof theory
Like Choctaw Indian, the Wolof language (spoken in Senegal and The Gambia, formerly The Gold Coast) has something like okeh to mean an emphatic "yes" (it's more like waa-key in reality). Wolof has given American English a number of words, perhaps through the African slave trade, such as juke, honky (to mean a white man), hipcat (or hepcat, meaning a jazz enthusiast), jive and even dig (as in "to understand"), although it should be noted that there is nowhere near universal agreement on these! It is likely that okeh appeared in early black American spoken slang.
The Other Languages theories
Yet more languages have similar-sounding words for "yes" or "it is so". Liberian has oke, and Burmese has hoakeh, for instance. Yet again, it is possible that these examples crept into American use in small isolated areas at some time prior to 1839.
The Indian Chief theory
Keokuk was an Indian chief (after whom Keokuk, in Iowa, is named). His admirers sometimes referred to him as "Old Keokuk, he's all right", and the initials OK, came to mean the same thing.
The orl korrect theory
The Internet fashion for condensing phrases into abbreviation certainly not new! The 1830s saw a rise of quirky abbreviations for common phrases, which for some reason seems to have been particularly popular in Boston. ISBD was used to mean "it shall be done", RTBS for "it remains to be seen" and SP for "small potatoes".
It went further, with KY used to mean "no use" (know yuse) and an article in the March 23rd, 1839, edition of the Boston Morning Post, saw this produce OK, short for "all correct" (orl korrect). This is the earliest published appearance of OK that has so far been found.
The Richardson theory
William Richardson recorded his journey from Boston to New Orleans in his 1815 diary. Transcriptions of the diary show "Arrived at Princeton, a handsome little village, o.k. and at Trenton where we dined at 1p.m." - although some have proposed that this showed the use of the expression in 1815, the original manuscript shows that this was actually part of some alterations that may have been added by Richardson (or someone else), possibly even after 1840 when the term had come into common use. Another possibility is that the writing is of a.h., referring to "a handsome", but there are many objections to this theory.
The 16th century theories
Several claims have been made to have found appearances of OK have in 16th century manuscripts. In one instance Notes & Queries (1911) points out that the will of Thomas Cumberland in 1565 is shown to use OK. But more careful scrutiny shows that this is more likely to have been the initials of the scrivener.
Books published in 1593 and 1596 also have OK included, but apparently as nouns. The text of one (Have with You to Saffron-Walden, by Thomas Nashe, the British author) goes "Martin is Guerra, Brown a brone-bill, & Barrow a wheelbarrow; Ket a knight, H.N. [referring to Henry Nichols] an O.K." As Mencken states in his supplement to The American Language, "the meaning here is unfathomable".
The Old Kinderhook theory
Martin van Buren was standing as the Democratic presidential candidate in 1840. He had acquired the nickname of Old Kinderhook (he was born in Kinderhook, New York). On March 24, 1840 the Democrats opened the OK Club in Grand Street, New York City, based on the initials of van Buren's nickname.
The expression OK soon became the watchword of this club, and in that same year, a Democratic newspaper equated the initials with the strivings of the party to "make all things OK".
The Cockney Orl Korrec theory
The Times, in 1939, had an article reporting that it was of Cockney origin. The author remembered its use as an abbreviation for Orl korrec when he was a boy in the late 19th century. However, this post-dates its first appearance by many years.
The French theory
During the American War of Independence, French sailors made "appointments" with American girls aux quais (meaning when they were berthed at the quayside). This theory was put forward by Britain's Daily Express newspaper in 1940.
The Finish theory
The Fins have a word for correct, and it is oikea. In a 1940 article, someone at the Cleveland Public Library suggested that this may be the origin.
The British Parliament theory
The same source as the Cockney theory (The Times, in 1939) pointed out that some bills going through the House of Lords had to be read and approved by Lords Onslow and Kilbracken, and they each initialed them - producing the combined initials OK.
The Anglo-Saxon theory
Several centuries before its first appearance, Norwegian and Danish sailors used an Anglo-Saxon word, hogfor, which meant ready for sea. This was frequently shortened to HG, which in turn would have been pronounced hag-gay.
The Literary theory
Laurence Sterne was a British author of the 18th century, and in his book A Sentimental Journey, published in 1768, he uses the emphatic French form of yes: O qu-oui. In an anglicised pronunciation (oh-key), the phrase was used by some to express affirmation.
The Schoolmaster theory
In a letter in the Vancouver Sun, in 1935, it was pointed out that early schoolmasters would mark examination papers by adding the Latin Omnis Korrecta, which was sometimes abbreviated to OK.
The Ship-Builder theory
Early ship-builders would mark the timber they prepared, and the first to be laid was marked "OK Number 1", meaning "outer keel No. 1".
The Telegraph theory
Early telegraph operators abbreviated everything, to reduce the amount of work needed. They would use GM for "Good Morning", GA for "Go Ahead" and so on. In 1935, Tatler, in the Observer, suggests that they also used OK. This doesn't stand up at all, as the telegraph post-dated the first written occurrence and it is almost certain, in my view, that they adopted OK rather than inventing it.
The Scottish theory
We've all heard the Scottish expression, och-aye. An author in the Nottingham Journal in 1943 suggests that OK is simply an adaptation of this expression. The Scottish expression derives from och, meaning an exclamation of surprise and aye meaning yes, and has been in existence since perhaps the 16th century.
Hmmmmmmmm... -- DSH
The Old English theory
In early England, the last harvest loads brought in from the fields were known as hoacky or horkey. It was also the name given to harvest-home, which was the feast which followed the last loads brought in. The satisfactory completion of harvest was therefore known as hoacky, which was soon (at least according to an article in the Daily Telegraph in 1935) shortened to OK.
The Prussian theory
The Times printed a suggestion that the Prussian general, Schliessen (fighting for the American colonies during the War of Independence) was properly given the title Oberst Kommandant. All his orders were initialed OK.
The Greek theory
Probably the earliest suggestion comes from the Greek. The two Greek letters omega and khi appear in a work called Geoponica in 920AD as being a magical incantation (when repeated twice) against fleas!
Hmmmmmmm... Let's watch it work against the fleas on USENET. -- DSH
The Railway theory
Obediah Kelly was an early railway freighter. He is known to have signed bills of lading with his initials, OK, and in railway circles OK came to mean that something had been authorised.
The War-Department (or cracker) theory
During the Civil War, the US War Department bought supplies of crackers from a company called Orrins-Kendall. Their initials appeared on the boxes, and as the crackers were of a particularly high standard, the letters OK became synonymous with "all right". This theory was originally put forward in a publication called Linguist, from the Horace Mann School for Boys in New York, although it has subsequently appeared in a number of other publications.
The multitudinous other theories
During 1840, American politicians used the term frequently, and dreamt up many absurd (and often pointed) origins. Out of Kash, out of kredit, out of klothes, all became identified with van Buren's campaign. And on the floor of the House of Representatives, a congressman from Illinois suggested it meant Orful Kalamity.
Since 1840, many other explanations have been reported. The list above, although long and fanciful, is only the tip of the iceberg!
So just where did OK come from?
I will leave the reader to come to his or her own conclusions from the above. However, my own view is that there are bits of several of the above explanations involved.
Unfortunately, etymologists and word-lovers alike seem to have an innate desire to have a single point of origin for words. If they're unable to find that, they like to see clearly defined lines of evolution. My own view is that many words and phrases arise, not from single sources, but through my own theory of "coincidental coinage", where many disparate uses have occurred but which are brought together by some single act.
I would suggest that the Choctaw, and possibly even the other foreign language influences, had resulted in small pockets of America using okeh or something similar. This may have been the case perhaps back as far as the 17th century, but more likely the 18th.
The existence of these examples reinforced the Democrats' use of OK to mean Old Kinderhook, and soon the OK Club became well known. Inevitably, the club would have become well known through the nation's newspapers and, reinforced by folk etymologies, the term became quickly established.
I would therefore argue that there is no single origin of the expression, but it was the OK Club that was responsible for bringing the expression to a wide public arena and which could, in some ways, be said to have at least started the trend which has continued ever since.
Finally
The above notes have been compiled by me on and off over the past few years. Many books and Internet sources reproduce the same arguments, and these have been one foundation, backed up by rather firmer documentary evidence that I have found. But the major source is undoubtedly "The American Language", by HL Mencken, in its various editions and supplements. ---------------------
DSH
D. Spencer Hines - 19 Nov 2007 05:00 GMT Hilarious!
Grasping At Straws.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>>>In Greek, O.K. is a correctly-spelled abbreviation for the expression, >>>Ola Kala (??? ????, ??), which has the same meaning as the American [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Prior to that,some of them possibly fled the Turks and saile [sic] off to > America. D. Spencer Hines - 19 Nov 2007 05:01 GMT No, you separate them with POGEY BAIT.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
>> The Greek explanation for the origin of OK is infinitely more credible >> than the hilarious proposal that it was all down to a moronic misspelling [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > with a crowbar D. Spencer Hines - 19 Nov 2007 05:02 GMT Hilarious!
Well, there are indeed thousands of them in Britain -- but not the ENTIRE NATION.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
> IDOT! [sic] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > love. Everyone in Europe considers Britain to be a nation of queers and > lesbians. Archer - 19 Nov 2007 12:42 GMT ----snip----
> There can be no more universal term than Okay. It is used in just > about every language in the world, and its use is probably even more [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > The reality is that most theories are folklore, Actually, "most *theories on this matter* are folklore".
> invented (albeit based > on real occurrences) to try to provide a definitive explanation. Personally, > I subscribe to the "coincidental coinage" theory - that is, "OK" was in > isolated and independent verbal use in a number of places in the very early > part of the 19th century prior to its first written appearance (in the > Boston Morning Post, on March 23rd, 1839). Nope. First *published* appearance.
> It would have faded into > obscurity if it were not for some of the other appearances in the years that [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > There is a report that Andrew Jackson, during the Battle of New Orleans in > 1815, learned of this Choctaw word, liked it, and used it. Could well be, but Wilson's preference for an etymology reflects only that the spoken word "okay" was already in widespread use.
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> The orl korrect theory > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > this produce OK, short for "all correct" (orl korrect). This is the earliest > published appearance of OK that has so far been found. The problem is that deriving a word from a pair of initials leaves every other word-pair that can be concocted with those two initials as a legiymate candidate for its meaning. What needs to be tracked is the word's use in speech. Andrew Jackson's use (if it occurred), predates the BMP use.
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> The Old Kinderhook theory > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > same year, a Democratic newspaper equated the initials with the strivings of > the party to "make all things OK". I note that the Shorter Oxford English Dictionary (1975) calls that its origin. Given the depth, breadth and persistence of OED research, I deduce that there is no incontrovertible link from any previous use of "okay" to that campaign, which marks its entry into the language as a widely used and widely known term with a set of meanings around "good" or "well", and is thus the nearest thing possible to an "origin".
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> The Schoolmaster theory > > In a letter in the Vancouver Sun, in 1935, it was pointed out that > early schoolmasters would mark examination papers by adding the Latin Omnis > Korrecta, which was sometimes abbreviated to OK. "Early"? That could go back many centuries.
> The Ship-Builder theory > > Early ship-builders would mark the timber they prepared, and the first > to be laid was marked "OK Number 1", meaning "outer keel No. 1". So could that.
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> So just where did OK come from? > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > okeh or something similar. This may have been the case perhaps back as far > as the 17th century, but more likely the 18th. The Occupation of Ship-Builder could have had "okay" in its spoken vocabulary throughout the English-speaking world. That of Schoolmaster could have had "okay" in the spoken vocabulary shared with students wherever and whenever Latin was taught.
> The existence of these examples reinforced the Democrats' use of > OK to mean Old Kinderhook, and soon the OK Club became well known. > Inevitably, the club would have become well known through the nation's > newspapers and, reinforced by folk etymologies, the term became quickly > established. It wouldn't surprise me to learn that van Buren was extensively satirised, and that the previous year's BMP derivation was a satirical vanBurenism, making people laugh at van Buren and his funny English, but having no effect on any spoken usage of "okay". The Democrats could well have been inspired by that.
> I would therefore argue that there is no single origin of the > expression, but it was the OK Club that was responsible for bringing the > expression to a wide public arena and which could, in some ways, be said to > have at least started the trend which has continued ever since. I think that the campaign based on "make everything OK" is the event that made it into a language-wide item. The whole nation would have been swamped (as far as the technology could do it) with that campaign slogan, and given widespread jargon and occasional use of spoken terms "okay" with meanings that carry a buzz similar to the one they wanted to employ, that swamping would have pulled it into the language.
Even the Republican ridicule of the ideograph "O.K." would have reinforced it.
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