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Edward Glamkowski - 27 Apr 2004 20:41 GMT
I seems a bit of a mantra today that appeasement has always,
throughout all of history, emboldened the appeased, but the
only example ever proffered in support of this is Chamberlain
and Hitler.

Is this actually the case, historically speaking, that appeasement
has generally been a failed policy for the appeasers?  What specific
examples are there for and against this?

(No, not a question for class - I'm 10 years out of school :-p
but I was in a political discussion where I wanted to bring up
this point myself that appeasement always fails, but then realized
I could not think of any other examples besides Hitler)
Jona Lendering - 27 Apr 2004 23:20 GMT
> I seems a bit of a mantra today that appeasement has always,
> throughout all of history, emboldened the appeased, but the
> only example ever proffered in support of this is Chamberlain
> and Hitler.

Which is incorrect too. Hitler was very upset when Chamberlaim gave him
what he wanted. Hitler desperately needed war in 1938 (he was in
financial troubles). Now that he got what he asked, it meant that France
and the British were able to build more arms and prepare themselves.
Hitler had to find additional support, and he found it at an unlikely
place: in Moscow. Having secured his rear, he could attack France. It
was not the war he wanted, but at least offered a solution to his
financial problems.

> Is this actually the case, historically speaking, that appeasement
> has generally been a failed policy for the appeasers?  What specific
> examples are there for and against this?

Think of Tiberius who negotiated after the Roman defeat at the
Teutoburger Forest (and had done so before). Unlike Augustus, Tiberius
knew the Celtic and Germanic tribes. Leave them alone and they start to
quarrel among themselves. And indeed, Arminius was immediately killed by
his countrymen and the Rhine frontier was safe until, say, 240 - with
the sole and atypical exception of the Batavian revolt of 69-70.

Another example: Xerxes gave the Yauna (we call them Greeks) everything
they wanted. And indeed, the rivalry between Sparta and Athens was the
best guantee for peace on the western front.

So, I'd say: what's wrong with appeasement when your enemy only finds
unity in opposing you?

Jona

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Martin Edwards - 28 Apr 2004 19:20 GMT
>Think of Tiberius who negotiated after the Roman defeat at the
>Teutoburger Forest (and had done so before). Unlike Augustus, Tiberius
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>Jona

On the other hand, Tiberius had little choice but to negotiate, having
been so seriously dumped.

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