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Homa/Soma was heroin (IMHO)

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Brablo - 23 Dec 2006 08:09 GMT
All this is my opinion:  Heroin was discovered by the
proto-Indo-Iranians (pII) around 2000 BC, when the Iranians and the
Indians didn't seperate culturally/linguistically yet.

At first, these people used and abused this drug.  After a few
centuries, it became apparent that this drug had destroyed lives.  So
every attempt was made to get the locals off this drug (like the way
the Americans made Americans to stop doing hard drugs).  After a few
centuries, knowledge of this drug was gone.  Alas - the very first case
of a war on drugs going successfully!

One reason that I believe that homa/soma was heroin is because, to this
day, heroin is grown in vast quantities in Afghanistan and Central
Asia.  These areas are the areas of the pII.

Another reason I feel that heroin was homa/soma is because it, like
heroin, was taken before wars.  It's a known fact that the Afghanis
took heroin before battling the Soviets, and this helped the Afghanis
out in their war efforts.

Who knows, another reason that the Aryans liked homa/soma was also
because they exported this drug.  I've read in the past that one thing
that distinguished the Aryans from the Dravidians was that the Aryans
probably exported perishable/biodegradable items (i.e. grains, etc.) ,
whereas the Dravidians exported more durable items, such as bricks,
jewellry, etc.  So maybe the pII exported this drug.  Of course we'll
never know because this is a perishable item.  But this cannot be ruled
out.
Day Brown - 23 Dec 2006 12:46 GMT
> All this is my opinion:  Heroin was discovered by the
> proto-Indo-Iranians (pII) around 2000 BC, when the Iranians and the
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> never know because this is a perishable item.  But this cannot be ruled
> out.
You mite want to read "Persephone's Quest" by ethnobotanist RG Wasson.
I spoze there may be cultures that used the term "soma" as you outline,
but Wasson shows several citations in the vedas that point to
characteristics of Amanita Muscaria as the essential ingredient in
"soma". For instance, there's the ref that acolytes could drink the
piss of the master and get off. The muscarine which causes the effect
passes thru the kidneys, and can be used in this way. You could also
feed A. Muscaria to horses, and process their piss. Scythians were
notorious for a potion made from mare's piss. He also shows several
examples of the iconography of the familiar polka dotted toadstool that
go back 7000 years among the Proto-Indo-Europeans.

Wasson further stipluated that there was a "Soma Road" going
north/south from Siberia to India. Since his time satellite radar has
revealed such a route. EW Barber, "The Mummies of Urumchi" reports on
two temples, at Gonur and Togoluk from 2000 BCE, which lay abandoned in
the Kara Kum following the desertification of what had been fertile
grassland. They seem to be along the route in Southern Uzbekistan.

In support of your view, remarkably, both temples had apocathery rooms
with intact sacred bowls.. with their contents: opium, ephedra, &
cannibis. Opposing it however is the tradition of using these as
entheogens. All over the world shamen use drugs without having drug
problems by only using them in the sacred time, at the sacred space, in
the sacred way. Nobody 'self-administered'; to do so would not be
illegal, it'd be blasphemy.
o8TY - 23 Dec 2006 16:57 GMT
We wish you a merry fungus.
Brablo - 24 Dec 2006 07:40 GMT
I'm not familiar with any of this.

Where can I find info on the Soma Road?

Your info seems prefabricated.

> > All this is my opinion:  Heroin was discovered by the
> > proto-Indo-Iranians (pII) around 2000 BC, when the Iranians and the
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> the sacred way. Nobody 'self-administered'; to do so would not be
> illegal, it'd be blasphemy.
Day Brown - 25 Dec 2006 10:47 GMT
> I'm not familiar with any of this.
>
> Where can I find info on the Soma Road?
>
> Your info seems prefabricated.
I cited my refs, let me do it again. "Persephone's Quest" by
Ethnobotanist RG wasson. IIRC originally published in 1967, but still
in print from several sources. He didnt call it the "soma road', but
simply noted the many refs to the use of A. Muscaria in the Vedas, and
also reported on his conversations with Ugarit Shamen who still use it
in ritual, and connected the dots, suggesting it was exported from the
coniferous forests south all the way to India. Makes perfect sense.

I've found it growing in the woods, and after drying, a shopping bag of
toadstools only weighs about 300 grams. There'd be a lotta profit is
shipping something so light but so powerful. Just one kg would be
enough to dose 100-150 people. A single ox could carry 300-500 hits.

Within the past year, a city, dating from before the Pyramids, was
found in the Kara Kum, apparently by looking at satellite radar maps
which showed the compresison of the soil from ancient trade routes. It
is midway between India and the Urals. But also at the same latitude as
what we know as the Silk Road route running east from ports on the
Black Sea.

Also posted on the net you will find hits for "Tripolye", a city on the
Dneipr, some 9 times larger than Semetic Ur, and a thousand years
older. It turns out there was a lot more trade going on long before the
recognized classic civilizations of the Fertile Crescent. Anyway, south
of that city, two temples were found, at Gonur and Togoluk, which were
reported by EW Barber in "The Mummies of Urumchi. They were abandoned
around 2000 BCE. http://www.a1b2c3.com/drugs/var008.htm has a later,
mid 2nd mil date, and makes ref to another site, but in any case all of
them were involved in what we'd now call 'the drug trade'.

However, if you understand the attitude expressed in the Vedas, you see
they were sacred pilgramage sites. Christianity vigorously tried to
stamp out the use of entheogens from ancient times and more recently in
living indigeneous tribes because those who experience the altered
states of consciousness dont agree with the concept of reality posited
by scripture.  As Neitzsche said in "The Genealogy of Morals", this
propaganda has been so pervasive for so long that most people believe
it is a part of their own nature. Wasson makes similar comments about
the mychophobia he noted in Christian cultures.

Your notion that it was all 'prefabricated' by me, is typical of those
who have not looked into this free of Christian dogma. There is also
somewhat of an intellectual turf war going on by all those who've been
in academic archaeology... which was originally founded to prove the
historicity of scripture. Many have built their careers on Levantine
digs, and dont want the focus shifted to the deserts of Central Asia.

However, that effort is basically doomed; partly because of all the
political instability, but also because of the development of modern
forensic technologies to identify sites that lack the monumental
stonework that first got attention, and the unraveling of what went on
there. The scripture and inscription on the stone work often lies, but
the garbage dumps never do.
bortiz@earthlink.net - 26 Dec 2006 03:46 GMT
> All this is my opinion:  Heroin was discovered by the
> proto-Indo-Iranians (pII) around 2000 BC, when the Iranians and the
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> never know because this is a perishable item.  But this cannot be ruled
> out.
Just to keep the nomenclature straight. What is grown as a natural
product is morphine. Heroin is a syntetic product made from morphine.

Bernard
kenney@cix.compulink.co.uk - 27 Dec 2006 13:39 GMT
In article
<1167104808.542568.182520@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>,

> ust to keep the nomenclature straight. What is grown as a
> natural product is morphine. Heroin is a syntetic product    
> made from morphine.

The natural product is opium, heroin and morphine are derived
from that.

Ken Young
bortiz@earthlink.net - 27 Dec 2006 23:11 GMT
Opium resin contains 10-16% morphine. Therefore, morphine is the
natural product and only needs to be purified. Chemical reactions are
needed to convert morphine to heroin, i.e. a synthetic product.
Bernard
> In article
> <1167104808.542568.182520@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com>,
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>
>  Ken Young
 
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