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History Forum / General / Archaeology / December 2006Predecessors of the Tatars
Were the Huns or Scythians the ancestors of the Tatars? They inhabited the same area, and the both lived similar life styles. > Were the Huns or Scythians the ancestors of the Tatars? Both were. > They inhabited > the same area, and the both lived similar life styles. > > Were the Huns or Scythians the ancestors of the Tatars? > > Both were. Have you been watching their hybrid breeding? (((: DV > > > Were the Huns or Scythians the ancestors of the Tatars? > > > > Both were. > > > Have you been watching their hybrid breeding? (((: No more than I watched the hybrid breeding of Slavs and preSlavic Balkanians. In sci.archaeology message news:1167110054.829736.256180@ 42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com by "Brablo" <gestureofrespect@yahoo.com> . . . : > Were the Huns or Scythians the ancestors of the Tatars? They inhabited > the same area, and the both lived similar life styles. The potato is that predecessor of the tatar, and of course the descendants of the tatars are the tots. > In sci.archaeology message news:1167110054.829736.256180@ > 42g2000cwt.googlegroups.com by "Brablo" <gestureofrespect@yahoo.com> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > The potato is that predecessor of the tatar, and of course > the descendants of the tatars are the tots. I thought the potato is the predecessor of the french fries and pommes pariesien.  Signaturep.a. > Were the Huns or Scythians the ancestors of the Tatars? They inhabited > the same area, and the both lived similar life styles. this isn't a question about language, why are you posting in sci.lang? <this isn't a question about language, why are you posting <in sci.lang? He's leading into a linguistic question. By the way, what language did the Huns speak? > <this isn't a question about language, why are you posting <in sci.lang? > > He's leading into a linguistic question. not neccessarily. > By the way, what language did the Huns speak? most likely an archaic form of turkic, represented now by Chuvash, which neighbors Tatar. Tatar does a have a chuvash substartum, but is still a mainstream turkic language. Yusuf B Gursey kirjoitti: > > <this isn't a question about language, why are you posting <in sci.lang? > > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Tatar does a have a chuvash substartum, but is still a mainstream > turkic language. May I ask a stupid question: what exactly makes Chuvash a non-mainstream Turkic language? Is it only the (probable) absence of Perso-Arabic loanwords? And what exactly does the substratum consist of? What features in Tatar are Chuvash? And now that we are at it: what exactly is the difference between Tatar and Bashkir? I have been told Bashkir is so similar to Tatar that Bashkirs usually use Tatar as their written language. > May I ask a stupid question: what exactly makes Chuvash a > non-mainstream Turkic language? Is it only the (probable) absence of > Perso-Arabic loanwords? Chuvash doesn't mesh with the Proto-Turkic reconstructed by comparing all the other Turkic languages. It seems that the ancestor of Chuvash split off very early from Pre-Proto-Turkic. See Routledge's _The Turkic Languages_ (1990) which tells the non-specialist all you need to know about how Chuvash is different. Also, uniquely among the Turkic language Chuvash has a great deal of Mari (Cheremis) lexical influence. SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > > May I ask a stupid question: what exactly makes Chuvash a > > non-mainstream Turkic language? Is it only the (probable) absence of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > all the other Turkic languages. It seems that the ancestor of Chuvash > split off very early from Pre-Proto-Turkic. See Routledge's _The it is from an early split off, the exact jargon is debated. it was thought to be much more different, but now the "turkicness of chuvash" is more in favor. > Turkic Languages_ (1990) which tells the non-specialist all you need > to know about how Chuvash is different. > > Also, uniquely among the Turkic language Chuvash has a great deal of > Mari (Cheremis) lexical influence. > Yusuf B Gursey kirjoitti: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > non-mainstream Turkic language? Is it only the (probable) absence of > Perso-Arabic loanwords? chuvash does have perso-arabic loanwords as well. chuvash has r when the rest ofturkic has z and also l when turkic has *sh* . also aspects of grammar are different. > And what exactly does the substratum consist of? What features in Tatar > are Chuvash? part of the vocabulary and the vowel system. > And now that we are at it: what exactly is the difference between Tatar > and Bashkir? I have been told Bashkir is so similar to Tatar that > Bashkirs usually use Tatar as their written language. they are close. > <this isn't a question about language, why are you posting <in sci.lang? > > He's leading into a linguistic question. > > By the way, what language did the Huns speak? Hungarian! > > <this isn't a question about language, why are you posting <in sci.lang? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hungarian! That's just a hunch, right? On 27 Dec 2006 16:00:22 -0800, "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> wrote in <news:1167264022.784036.251400@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> in sci.lang,sci.archaeology: [...] >>> By the way, what language did the Huns speak? >> Hungarian! > That's just a hunch, right? Wamba huggreiþ. Brian In sci.archaeology message news:1167264022.784036.251400@i12g2000cwa.googlegroups.com by "Peter T. Daniels" <grammatim@verizon.net> . . . : >> In sci.archaeology message >> <barder@eiow.net> . . . : [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > That's just a hunch, right? I was hunting for the right langauge. > > <this isn't a question about language, why are you posting <in sci.lang? > > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Hungarian! Hungrish. |
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