> "Peter Alaca" . . . :
>> Karl-Ernst Behre
>> "Evidence for Mesolithic agriculture in and around central Europe?"
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>> pre-Neolithic age, there is no evidence of Mesolithic
>> agriculture."
> The bigger question is whether there was pastoralism in
> the Western European Mesolithic.
Yes, of course. The problem is to find evidence for it.
I was a bit surprised by that "Because of the large pollen sums
in modern pollen diagrams" in the abstract. That implies that
in the past much smaller samples were used. Afaik preparing,
identifying and counting of pollen is not automated. This means
that much more 'manpower' is used today.

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prd - 30 Dec 2006 14:51 GMT
>> "Peter Alaca" . . . :
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> identifying and counting of pollen is not automated. This means
> that much more 'manpower' is used today.
Yes, but think of all the retired baby boomers they can call
on.
prd - 30 Dec 2006 19:07 GMT
>> "Peter Alaca" . . . :
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>>> grasses and cereals is impossible. There is a certain
>>> overlapping of both types that must not be neglected.
This is an important paper IMO, hence the more recent, independent
studies around NW europe, while few sites in number, fail to
show any signs of agriculture during the late mesolithic, this
sort of dots the i's and crosses the t's. Like the New World and DQ8
there were only one limited instance were Triticeae was cultivated
and it was well away from the centers of prolific domestication.
In NW Europe the high level of DQ2.5 suggest both positive selection
and the relative absence of negative selection during the initial
growth of the European population after the LGM, the principle
edible seed grasses in the region were largely Triticeae species.
Along the Western edge of europe either pastoral like caprids moved
in or domesticated animals were introduced, although the evidence
is somewhat scetchy as to whether pastoralism actually occurred.
Therefore it seems like the technology was on the doorstep of
the NW mesolithic, and only compatible activities were introduced
early possibly as a result of regional preferences and selection
in food culture.
What is missing however is an accurate of inland culture along
the western edge, most sites are relatively proximal to lowlands,
marshlands or the coast itself. Since much of the mesolithic from
france is missing we assume that these pollens spread widely enough
to be detected in the sites that do exist.
Also missing is an appropriate definition of the term:
"Cerealia-type"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerealia = "festival of ceres"
Peter Alaca - 30 Dec 2006 20:48 GMT
> [...]
> Also missing is an appropriate definition of the term:
> "Cerealia-type"
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cerealia = "festival of ceres"
Cerealia (cereals) in general are cereals, the for food cultivated
grasses (but also e.g. buckweed).
I think the problem is that in pollendiagrams the composition
of cerealia(-type) is not always the same. And maybe cerealia-
type reflects uncertainty about the status (wild or cultivated)
But that is my understanding.

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