Longitude and the Equation of Time
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oriel36 - 22 Feb 2007 17:00 GMT http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3-PA50&lpg=R A3-PA50&dq=longitude+chronometer#PRA3-PA51,M1
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So what have you all against one of the most delightful correlations ever devised by human reasoning,this small article is fine for proposing the only acceptable value which links clocks to axial rotation.
If the link works then fine,if not,then there are plenty of different way to appreciate the magnificent achievement where the ancient Equation of Time correction which creates the 24 hour day was given a new twist by the great Western astronomers when axial rotation was discovered.
It would be wonderful if there were archaeologists here but apparently there are none,only cardboard cutout props used to support idiotic conceptions.
Eric Stevens - 22 Feb 2007 20:25 GMT >http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3-PA50&lpg=R A3-PA50&dq=longitude+chronometer#PRA3-PA51,M1 > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >there are none,only cardboard cutout props used to support idiotic >conceptions. Not a bad book for 1837.
You should refer to page 28.
Eric Stevens
oriel36 - 22 Feb 2007 21:01 GMT > >http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3... > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The Total length of the daily cycle varies hence the neccessity of the Equation of Time to equalise the variations to equable 24 hours and keep those 24 hours seamlessly elapsing into the next 24 hours.That author in 1837 unfortunately observes (on page 50 ) that the Sun appears to travel at 15 degrees per hour but this is incorrect,if it did there would be no need for the Equation of Time.
The author ,after correctly telling his readers on page 51 that you need to apply the Equation of Time to correlate clock time with civil longitudes in terms of 24 hour/360 degrees , as the natural day is unequal,tells his readers on page 28 that a location rotates to the Sun in exactly 24 hours.
If you have difficulties accepting that the length of the natural cycle is unequal and that the Equation of Time is neccessity to reduce natural noon to 24 hour clock noon,then why refer me to page 28 which determines that the Sun returns to a meridian in exactly 24 hours -
http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3-PA50&lpg=R A3-PA50&dq=longitude+chronometer#PRA3-PA28,M1
Have you not heard of the Longitude story or how sundials and the Equation of Time works to create the human devised principle of the 24 hour day ?,obviously not.
Who would ever have thought that archaeologists,at least I think you are archaeologists,would try to manufacture a history that overturns the basic correlation between sundials,the Equation of Time and the 24 hour day and how it was transfered to the clock/axial rotation at 15 degrees per hour making 24 hours in total.
Tell me what your sidereal value gives for the correlation of clocks and axial rotation per hour ?.That is how ridiculous you are with the most basic known fact.
Eric Stevens - 22 Feb 2007 23:05 GMT >> >http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3... >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >cycle is unequal and that the Equation of Time is neccessity to reduce >natural noon to 24 hour clock noon,then why refer me to page 28 ... Because it explains the difference between solar and sidereal time.
The author was explaining it to school kids in 1837 and yet you seem to find the idea too hard to accept.
> ... which >determines that the Sun returns to a meridian in exactly 24 hours - [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >and axial rotation per hour ?.That is how ridiculous you are with the >most basic known fact. Eric Stevens
oriel36 - 23 Feb 2007 11:17 GMT > >> >http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3... > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > The author was explaining it to school kids in 1837 and yet you seem > to find the idea too hard to accept. The difference between the solar day and the sidereal day is the same as the difference between micky mouse and donald duck,they are concepts that exist only in the imagination and are believed by those who know no better.
The Equation of Time principles I have shown you are the basis of the equable 24 hour day,you can actually see how that 24 hour clock day was created by brilliant men and then applied to terrestrial longitudes,it is so well known through the Longitude story that only with the greatest courtesy can I bring myself to respond to a person who assigns an alternative value (23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds) for clocks and axial rotation.
Is there so sort of perverse satisfaction is adhering to a solar/ sidereal conception for the Earth's axialand orbital motions based on the calendar system ?.
John Harrison knew who he was dealing with,a slovenly bunch of miserable and mediocre creatures who hate anything that is good and worthwhile -
" But indeed, had I continued under the hands of the rude commissioners, this completion, or great accomplishment, neither would, nor could, ever have been obtained; but however, providence otherwise ordered the matter, and I can now boldly say, that if the provision for the heat and cold could properly be in the balance itself, as it is in the pendulum, the watch [or my longitude time-keeper] would then perform to a few seconds in a year, yea, to such perfection now are imaginary impossibilities conquered; so the priests at Cambridge and Oxford, &c. may cease their pursuit in the longitude affair, and as otherwise then to occupy their time." John Harrison
I have no intention of watching you lot maintain ideologies that destroy the careful work of many civilisations so that you can be impressed with yourselves.
> > ... which > >determines that the Sun returns to a meridian in exactly 24 hours - [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Tedd Jacobs - 23 Feb 2007 03:38 GMT "oriel36" wrote...
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> It would be wonderful if there were archaeologists here but apparently > there are none,only cardboard cutout props used to support idiotic > conceptions. want to talk archaeology? try actually presenting some.
Doug Weller - 23 Feb 2007 09:45 GMT ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >want to talk archaeology? try actually presenting some. In the astronomy and geology groups where he mainly preaches he is considered a kook or at best (worst?) a troll, and usually killfiled.
I say preaches because he really does think you need "a Christian faith" as he puts it to deal with the topics he preaches about.
He has almost destroyed the UK archaeology newsgroup.
Ignore him.
Doug
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oriel36 - 23 Feb 2007 17:07 GMT On Feb 23, 9:45 am, Doug Weller <dwel...@ramtops.removethis.co.uk> wrote:
> ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > I say preaches because he really does think you need "a Christian faith" > as he puts it to deal with the topics he preaches about. Intutive intelligence is that human faculty which recognises all that is great in human endeavor be it music,art,the Life of Jesus or the great efforts of our ancestors in creating the timekeeping systems we use today,those who often reject faith are often those of great intellectual intelligence with no intutive intelligence.
In the matter of timekeeping ,intutive intelligence is a matter of affirming or rejecting proposals based on physical considerations and there is absolutely nothing in ancient or heliocentric astronomy that supports the correlation between axial rotation and the sidereal value of 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds .There are no parallels in history remotely comparing to the late 17th century error which introduced celestial sphere/astrological geometry into heliocentric reasoning and it is extremely counter-productive in content and character,even the geocentric thinking of Ptolemaic astronomers is far superior to what passes itself off as astronomy today.
With no sense that anything is destroyed and little intutive intelligence to set it right,God help humanity from this anti-intutive era.You insult yourselves,that is your punishment for following after people who took shortcuts with the jewels of structural and timekeeping astronomy.
> He has almost destroyed the UK archaeology newsgroup. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Doug's Archaeology Site:http://www.ramtops.co.uk > Amun - co-owner/co-moderatorhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amun/ oriel36 - 23 Feb 2007 11:54 GMT > "oriel36" wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > want to talk archaeology? try actually presenting some. Archaeology is not social forensics, for we are immigrants of our past and should come to know just how remarkable some of our ancestors are and not knowingly destroy their works.I see the work of these people as a testament to the great efforts of men and I am extremely proud of understanding many of those features which we still use today.
I know this era too well,it turns our ancestors into puppet creations acting out whatever conclusion enters your heads instead of allowing these people to dictate their own history,for good or for bad.
In the matter of human involvement in astronomy and timekeeping systems,a holocaust actually exists.The late 17 century guys bent older,noble and more careful work into supporting ridiculous concepts that not prove counter-productive for this era,specifically in climatology.
When each of you has the ability to restoring the older core principles which we still use today you crawl back into an empirical shell and squeek out a stupid solar/sidereal concept .Is the exquisite jewels of astronomical timekeeping not enough for you and especially the intricate way they got the older Equation of Time/24 hour system to mesh with the discovery of axial rotation.
You want archaeology without the great timekeeping facet which winds its way through human endeavor from ancient times then so be it.You will soon discover that its absense leaves you with nothing.
Tom McDonald - 23 Feb 2007 20:50 GMT > > "oriel36" wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > its way through human endeavor from ancient times then so be it.You > will soon discover that its absense leaves you with nothing. Want to post on an archaeology ng? Post some archaeology. So far, the closest you got was an aside about Piltdown.
I begin to suspect you have no idea what archaeology is.
Doug Weller - 23 Feb 2007 21:25 GMT >I begin to suspect you have no idea what archaeology is. He doesn't care. He Knows The Truth and his mission is to Preach The Truth. No room for discussion, no interest in the purpose of the newsgroup -- for him, it exists only as a forum for his preaching.
Doug
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Tedd Jacobs - 23 Feb 2007 21:45 GMT "Doug Weller" wrote...
>>I begin to suspect you have no idea what archaeology is. > > He doesn't care. He Knows The Truth and his mission is to Preach The > Truth. No room for discussion, no interest in the purpose of the newsgroup > -- for him, it exists only as a forum for his preaching. respite--respite and nepenthe from thy preaching of truth; quaff, oh quaff this kind nepenthe and forget this lost time
"prophet" say i, "thing of evil! prophet still, if loon or troll!-- whether tempter sent or tempest tossed thee here ashore, desolate yet all undaunted, on this usenet land enchanted-- on this home of horror haunted-- tell me truely, i emplore-- is there, /is/ there balm in gilead?-- tell me, i implore"
quoth the loon-- "The Equation of Time principles I have shown you are the basis of the equable 24 hour day,you can actually see how that 24 hour clock day was created by brilliant men and then applied to terrestrial longitudes,it is so well known through the Longitude story that only with the greatest courtesy can I bring myself to respond to a person who assigns an alternative value (23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds) for clocks and axial rotation................
oriel36 - 24 Feb 2007 11:01 GMT You call me one thing or another and that is fine but I have still yet to see a genuine commentator recognise that the creation of the 24 hour day through the Equation of Time correction was the work of brilliant and careful people who recognised that the Total length of the natural daily cycle,as determined at noon,was unequal.
Your empirical cult believes otherwise and determines that the daily cycle is 24 hours exactly and then tries to justify the Earth axial rotation by using the return of a star to a meridian -
http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/sidereal.htm
Copernicus resolved the behavior of the observed motion of the outer planets by showing that the faster orbitally moving Earth overtaking the slower forward moving outer planets caused them to temporarily fall behind -
http://antwrp.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/image/0112/JuSa2000_tezel.gif
That is actual time lapse footage of Jupiter and Saturn and the faster Earth overtaking them.This left axial rotation to explain the daily cycle and from this important piece of information the heliocentric timekeeping astronomers set about adapting the Equation of Time system.
Why would a group of people,especially those who make it their business to study ancient and recent human achievements choose to believe that a location on Earth rotates to face the Sun every 24 hours even though it has been known from antiquity that this does not occur hence the Equation of Time correction ?.
> "Doug Weller" wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > alternative value (23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds) for clocks and axial > rotation................ Eric Stevens - 24 Feb 2007 22:52 GMT >You call me one thing or another and that is fine but I have still yet >to see a genuine commentator recognise that the creation of the 24 >hour day through the Equation of Time correction was the work of >brilliant and careful people who recognised that the Total length of >the natural daily cycle,as determined at noon,was unequal. "the Total length of the natural daily cycle,as determined at noon,was unequal" - unequal to what?
... aah - never mind.
>Your empirical cult believes otherwise and determines that the daily >cycle is 24 hours exactly and then tries to justify the Earth axial [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >> alternative value (23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds) for clocks and axial >> rotation................ Eric Stevens
oriel36 - 25 Feb 2007 11:36 GMT > >You call me one thing or another and that is fine but I have still yet > >to see a genuine commentator recognise that the creation of the 24 [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ... aah - never mind. You clearly understand that you are arguing against the correlation which keeps clocks in sync with axial rotation and this is probably one of the greatest human achievements known,a product of the Equation of Time correction which recognises that no two natural daily cycles,as determined at noon, are equal in length.
You ask " unequal to what" and the only answer can be to the genius of human ingenuity which creates the 24 hour day,keeps one 24 hour cycle elapsing seamlessy into the next 24 hour cycle (Monday turns into Tuesday,Tuesday turns into Wedneday...) and which in turns provides the basis of a calendar system.The calendar system is a brilliant extension of the 24 hour day by equalising the annual cyclical length,as calculated by 24 hours days into a linear form as progression of years.
Never mind indeed !,what can be said of individuals who cannot even promote the simple fact that the natural daily cycles are unequal and how men devised a system which creates the 24 hour day as recognition of the care our ancestors took in noting the astronomical cycles and how they evolved when heliocentric reasoning emerged through the Copernican discoveries.
> >Your empirical cult believes otherwise and determines that the daily > >cycle is 24 hours exactly and then tries to justify the Earth axial [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Eric Stevens - 25 Feb 2007 19:36 GMT >> >You call me one thing or another and that is fine but I have still yet >> >to see a genuine commentator recognise that the creation of the 24 [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >of Time correction which recognises that no two natural daily >cycles,as determined at noon, are equal in length. I don't clearly understand anything of the kind.
Nor do you understand that a single thing on it's own can be neither 'equal' nor 'unequal' unless you compare it to another thing. Your logic is faulty and so is you use of the english language.
>You ask " unequal to what" and the only answer can be to the genius of >human ingenuity which creates the 24 hour day,keeps one 24 hour cycle [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >how they evolved when heliocentric reasoning emerged through the >Copernican discoveries. You, sir, are unequal.
Unequal to what, I will leave you to decide.
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Eric Stevens
oriel36 - 26 Feb 2007 16:14 GMT > >> >You call me one thing or another and that is fine but I have still yet > >> >to see a genuine commentator recognise that the creation of the 24 [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > 'equal' nor 'unequal' unless you compare it to another thing. Your > logic is faulty and so is you use of the english language. The natural unequal length of the daily cycle,as determined at noon as opposed to the human devised equable 24 hour cycle,as determined by the noon Equation of Time correction.
This is becoming embarrassing,for if you truly wish to believe that a location rotates to face the Sun in 24 hours exactly then there is little I can do convince you otherwise.I should have received support for a shared astronomical timekeeping heritage which recognises why the Equation of Time is neccessary to bridge natural noon from clock noon insofar as the principles are the most commonly used convenience on the planet and an incredible human achievement.
My involvement in this forum extends only to promoting how clocks evolved from earlier devices such as sundials and how it grafts in with the heliocentric discovery of axial rotation and how clocks keep in sync with axial rotation via the Equation of Time correction and I have kept structural astronomy to a bare minimum is explaining how the average 24 hour day was overlayed on terrestrail longitudes and how they adopted a stance of constant axial rotation for the pragmatic purpose of 4 minutes clock time for 1 degree of geographical seperation.
This pretensious business of celestial sphere geometry (23 hours 56 min 04 sec) is only a more damaging version of Piltdown man and nobody really cares about the last century's exotic ideas of warped space and time travel which emerged as the symptoms of the unattended late 17th century error which tied axial rotation to constellational geometry.
Your community owes it to humanity to at least reflect how brilliant men devised the 24 hour cycle from the variations in length of the natural cycle,if you cannot do that then you become part of a terrible,terrible problem.
> >You ask " unequal to what" and the only answer can be to the genius of > >human ingenuity which creates the 24 hour day,keeps one 24 hour cycle [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > - Show quoted text - oriel36 - 24 Feb 2007 10:46 GMT On Feb 23, 9:25 pm, Doug Weller <dwel...@ramtops.removethis.co.uk> wrote:
> >I begin to suspect you have no idea what archaeology is. > > He doesn't care. He Knows The Truth and his mission is to Preach The > Truth. No room for discussion, no interest in the purpose of the newsgroup > -- for him, it exists only as a forum for his preaching. Look at the names of the institutions that promote an incorrect correlation between clocks and axial rotation -
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml
That careless 17th century cartoon conception would not exist if you lot were doing your jobs and even though you have the ability to promote the creation of the equable 24 hour day as one of the greatest achievements devised by humans,through the noon Equation of Time correction,you purposely support an act of vandalism that believes that a location rotates to face the Sun in exactly 24 hours.
The shared,do you hear,the shared astronomical heritage to which the 24 hour/360 degree correlation belongs is a facet of a sprawling astronomical picture that is being neglected for counter-productive concepts originating with Newton,the shortcuts ,bordering on fraud,these guys took is breathtaking and many nmagnitudes worse than Piltdown.I have chosen the clock/axial rotation correlation as the thin end of a very big wedge for unless you get the basic principle right in terms of how clocks keep pace with axial rotation,you can forget everything else if you choose the wrong or alternative value and conception.
I did not make myself an authority on these things,you made me an authority by being utterly irresponsible with the history of human involvement in structural and timekeeping astronomy.I have asked and will ask for nothing but I will make you look at what our ancestors achieved and how they achieved it,I can even show you exactly where less careful men jumped the tracks.
You want a discussion and I will give you one but certainly not descending to an intellectual level where yuo can't even recognise the most obvious and basic fact that you will probably look at 10 times today when you look at a hand sweeping across the face of a clock.The embodiment of many millenia of sorting and sifting by many civilisations and you still make an idiotic conclusion.
> Doug > -- > Doug Weller -- > A Director and Moderator of The Hall of Ma'athttp://www.hallofmaat.com > Doug's Archaeology Site:http://www.ramtops.co.uk > Amun - co-owner/co-moderatorhttp://groups.yahoo.com/group/Amun/ oriel36 - 24 Feb 2007 10:28 GMT > > > "oriel36" wrote... > [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > - Show quoted text - The creation oif the 24 hour day by brilliant men is probably one of humanity's greatest achievements ,the adaption of the 24 hour day to axial rotation where the pace of a clock keeps in sync with axial rotation is also one of the most pragmatic and basic facts known to humanity.
Now,given that you numbskulls can't even get a basic fact right insofar as you assign an alterantive value to axial rotation through 360 degrees and clcoks,specifically the value of 23 hours 56 minutes 04 seconds,I do not give a damn what you think or your pathetic appeals.The work of very careful men is being overshadowed by careless concepts from the late 17th century even as you miserable creatures still use the clock/axial rotation correlation of 24 hours/360 degrees is something else.
A fool is not capable of suspecting anything especially the most obvious known fact that almost of the people on the planet recognise,as people who profess an interest in ancient civilisations and what they achievced,the very fact that you can ignore the recent history of the Longitude story and how clocks resolved them must take quite an effort.
You are too feebleminded to be part of any further discussion but I would appeal to responsible people here to act with a little bit of backbone in this very important matter.The creation of the 24 hour day is a human creation with roots in most disciplines,the fact that people here can act with authority and represent as accuarely as possible how the human genius of the 24 hour day came to be adapted to the Copernican principle of axial rotation as a cause for the daily cycle.
Matt Giwer - 25 Feb 2007 04:53 GMT > http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3-PA50&lpg=R A3-PA50&dq=longitude+chronometer#PRA3-PA51,M1 > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > there are none,only cardboard cutout props used to support idiotic > conceptions. I first noticed your inability to comprehend time keeping when I show you how to lay out the octagon structure using a stick in the ground. You appear compelled to making things more complicated than they are.
There are things which are difficult to work out but you haven't come near those.
You appear to have a problem with 365.24xxxx against 365 calendar days.
As with the stick, your pappy sat in his favorite place and waved you back and forth until you put the stick exactly where the sun was the highest in the sky. You have been looking at it at night and you notice the stars are always falling a little behind that spot each year. Meanwhile your uncle invents writing and you use it to keep records of how far behind as does your son and grandson. You great grandson realizes the difference is roughly 1/4 of a day.
5000 years later, you are impressed with a century and a half of observation refined over the next few centuries.
5000 years later, the rest of us are not impressed.
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oriel36 - 25 Feb 2007 11:35 GMT > >http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3... > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > You appear to have a problem with 365.24xxxx against 365 calendar days. The creation of the 24 hour day is probably one of the greatest known achievements of humanity for practical purposes and it involves the simple recognition that no two daily cycles,as determined at noon,are equal in length.No location rotates to face the Sun in exactly 24 hours which is why the noon Equation of Time correction equalises the variations to a 24 hour average cycle and keeps these equable 24 cycles cycles elasping into each other.It is supposed to be celebrated as incontrovertible among archaeologists insofar as it is a humn devised principle but look at your response.
To create a 1461 calendar cycle based on 3 years of 365 days and 1 year of 366 days you require the equable 24 hour day by which the annual cycle is determined,somehow you manage to bypass the creation of the 24 hour cycle and how it is created through the Equation of Time and the ancient knowledge that no two cycles,as determined at noon,are equal.
> As with the stick, your pappy sat in his favorite place and waved you back and > forth until you put the stick exactly where the sun was the highest in the sky. > You have been looking at it at night and you notice the stars are always falling > a little behind that spot each year. Meanwhile your uncle invents writing and > you use it to keep records of how far behind as does your son and grandson. You > great grandson realizes the difference is roughly 1/4 of a day. It is no wonder so much careful astronomical work,including the historically recent Copernican insight and the Keplerian refinements remain destroyed.
Any person here would give their right arm to know where that quarter of a day goes each year in order that the leap day correction is applied every 4th year.The answer is that you cannot mix up two systems such as the Equation of Time system which creates the 24 hour day with its complimentary calendrical extension which is a 1461 day cycle.
Your crowd use the calendrical system to justify the Earth's motions -
http://www.astro.cornell.edu/academics/courses/astro201/sidereal.htm
You imagine you are working with a value of 365 days 5 hours 49 minutes but in actuality you are working with a system of 3 years of 365 days and 1 year of 366 days,better still,people like Flamsteed and Newton thought this and their error has gone unoticed for centuries.
> 5000 years later, you are impressed with a century and a half of observation > refined over the next few centuries. > > 5000 years later, the rest of us are not impressed. You are indeed being honest here,not a shread of remorse that the most obvious human achievement in how our ancestors created the equable 24 hour day and all its productive facets out of the natural unequal daily cycle.
Piltdown man is nothing compared to concepts which shroud the human devised principles which create the 24 hour day and how it is applied to the clock/axial rotation correlation and who would dare argue to the contrary.
I never doubted that most people here now know how the 24 hour day was adapted by the timekeeping astronomers when axial rotation was discovered insofar as the average 24 hour day was used to create a correlation between 4 minutes for each degree of geographical seperation.The fact remains that they will still support an alternative correlation that exists in the imagination of people who undid the work of brilliant men and that makes it a holocaust.
> -- > American troops in Iraq have to know they are risking their lives for people [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Matt Giwer - 27 Feb 2007 03:39 GMT >>> http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3... >>> Page 48 - 52 [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >> >> You appear to have a problem with 365.24xxxx against 365 calendar days.
> The creation of the 24 hour day is probably one of the greatest known > achievements of humanity for practical purposes and it involves the [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > as incontrovertible among archaeologists insofar as it is a humn > devised principle but look at your response. Are you are stupid as you are pretending or are you not pretending?
The difference is obvious by making the day and night observation I described.
It is no more difficult than that. Even you could do it. It is not impressive at all.
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oriel36 - 27 Feb 2007 12:02 GMT > >>>http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3... > >>> Page 48 - 52 [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > It is no more difficult than that. Even you could do it. It is not impressive > at all. You deserve each other,there is no doubt about that.
I would not care if any of you ever appreciated how the 24 hour day was created out of the unequal length of the natural daily cycle,these things are so exquisite that they do not admit appreciation by fools who construct things after their own liking and care not for the efforts of many great men over many eras and civilisations.
At least you are vocal and that is in your favor,those who reason that silence is the best policy have the worse possible fate,if it can be called that.Men who create fables,either technical or historical,eventually are found out and that you lot support an ideology which rejects the creation of the equable 24 hour day and its correlation to clocks,terrestrial longitudes and axial rotation ,leaves you in a far worse position than those who supported Piltdown man as a consensual advantageous proposal.
There may be genuine people who can make a difference and promote the actual human achievement through the Equation of Time correction which generates the 24 hour day out of the natural unequal day but it of little use if they are not vocal about it.Saving future generations from the late 17th century error is heroic for it involves so much of human history in terms of discoveries,achievements and the integrity of human knowledge in contrast to the meaningless bluff and bluster that accompanies those who live by trivia and have no intellectual or intutive roots .
People live or fall by how they grow in wisdom and develop their understandings,the actual principles which create the 24 hour day and how it was adapted to axial rotation are comparable to any of the great works of music,art and literature when appreciated properly.There is no single answer but rather the ability to adopt the correct working principles which our ancestors set out and improve on them where possible,unfortunately an error in principle occured in the late 17th century which turned a productive arena into a barren and sterile one.
You can knowingly turn your faces away from the Longitudestory which contains much of what I have already said and indeed many of the false elements that were brought in to support celestial sphere geometry and this convicts you more than anything else.Your call.
> -- > Will the Iraq surge be remembered along with WWI attempts to break through [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - Show quoted text - Matt Giwer - 28 Feb 2007 00:08 GMT >>>>> http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3... >>>>> Page 48 - 52 [quoted text clipped - 72 lines] > elements that were brought in to support celestial sphere geometry and > this convicts you more than anything else.Your call. OK. You are not pretending.
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oriel36 - 28 Feb 2007 10:36 GMT On Feb 28, 12:08 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>>http://books.google.com/books?vid=OCLC00889697&id=zWffvdGSTWIC&pg=RA3... > >>>>> Page 48 - 52 [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > OK. You are not pretending. Archaeologists who cannot even get the basic correlation at the core of the Longitude story are hardly archaeologists,most of it being recent history covering topics such as human invention and human devised principles which keep clocks in sync with the daily cycle caused by the rotation of the Earth.
Obviously you can go on ignoring that you adhere to an idea that a location rotates to face the Sun in exactly 24 hours even though it has been known from antiquity that no two cycles,as determined at noon,are the same length.Piltdown man is nothing compared to the adherence to a view which is sub-human in content and character while being destructive and counter-productive on all counts.Looking at the following Nasa explanation is incredible that people could actually believe this let alone such an institution -
Period Of Rotation "The actual value is 23 hours, 56 minutes and 4 seconds. This is the length of a "sidereal" day. It is the actual time it takes the Earth to rotate 360 degrees. The term "sidereal" (pronounced sigh-dear'- real) refers to the rotation of the Earth being measured relative to the stars. There ARE 24 hours in a "solar day". This is the time it takes from one noon (sun overhead) to the next noon. The difference in the two "days" arises from the fact that during a day the Earth also travels nearly a degree further on its yearly trek around the Sun. "
http://hypertextbook.com/facts/1999/JennyChen.shtml
To make the noon Equation of Time correction disappear like that is an incredible feat yet this is exactly what these type of explanations ,like the one above,attempt to do.The fact that people who make it their business to accurately reflect the achievements of humanity,and the creation of the 24 hour day is a dynamic achievement,makes this all the more disappointing,at least for the present.
Authority needs acts of courage and this is lacking here,while I will grant that your discipline can make a huge difference,the fact that you acted so slowly and so miserably wioth Piltdown Man affirms that you did not learn your lessons about acting with courage when it is needed.Nobody remembers or cares about the Piltdown man 'authorities' yet humanity is indebted to those who took the step to jettisoned the phony ideology and the pretensious atmosphere that bred it.
> -- > If we were fighting WWII VJ day Iraq would have been in October 2006. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - Show quoted text -
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