Hunter-gatherer culture beneath the waves. Drawings and maps at cite.
Lost world warning from North Sea
By Sean Coughlan
BBC News education
Archaeologists are uncovering a huge prehistoric "lost country" hidden
below the North Sea.
This lost landscape, where hunter gatherer communities once lived, was
swallowed by rising water levels at the end of the last ice age.
University of Birmingham researchers are heralding "stunning" findings
as they map the "best-preserved prehistoric landscape in Europe".
This large plain had disappeared below the water more than 8,000 years
ago.
Scientists at the University of Birmingham have been using oil
exploration technology to build a map of the once-inhabited area that
now lies below the North Sea - stretching from the east coast of
Britain up to the Shetland Islands and across to Scandinavia.
'Terrifying'
"It's like finding another country," says Professor Vince Gaffney,
chair in Landscape Archaeology and Geomatics.
It also serves as a warning for the scale of impact that climate
change can cause, says Professor Gaffney.
Human communities would have lost their homelands as the rising water
began to encroach upon the wide, low-lying plains.
"At times this change would have been insidious and slow - but at
times it could have been terrifyingly fast. It would have been very
traumatic for these people," he says.
"It would be a mistake to think that these people were unsophisticated
or without culture... they would have had names for the rivers and
hills and spiritual associations - it would have been a catastrophic
loss," says Professor Gaffney.
As the temperature rose and glaciers retreated and water levels rose,
the inhabitants would have been pushed off their hunting grounds and
forced towards higher land - including to what is now modern-day
Britain.
"In 10,000 BC hunter gatherers were living on the land in the middle
of the North Sea. By 6,000 BC, Britain was an island. The area we have
mapped was wiped out in the space of 4,000 years," says Professor
Gaffney.
So far the team has examined a 23,000 square kilometre area of the sea
bed - mapping out coastlines, rivers, hills, sandbanks and salt
marshes as they would have appeared about 12,000 years ago.
And once the physical features have been established, Professor
Gaffney says it will be possible to narrow the search for sites that
could yield more evidence of how these prehistoric people lived.
These inhabitants would have lived in family groups in huts and hunted
animals such as deer.
The mapping of this landscape could also raise questions about its
preservation, says Professor Gaffney - and how it can be protected
from activities such as pipe-laying and the building of wind farms.
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johansson - 23 Apr 2007 21:25 GMT
Jack, no offence but this is not new information. I have presented facts for
this more than 10 times over during the years to the groups. The BBC News
education is good, but the information given is old information so old that
we here in Sweden had it in our schoolbooks for 5th grade when I went to
school and I am 57 years old. Well one thing is new because 8000 years ago
isn't exactly correct. They have made their own rounding-off...
Inger E
Matt Giwer - 24 Apr 2007 00:35 GMT
> Hunter-gatherer culture beneath the waves. Drawings and maps at cite.
>
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> Story from BBC NEWS:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/education/6584011.stm
So let me get this straight. The North Sea was dry land during the last ice
age. Why were their no glaciers covering the land that far north? They were
south about a third the way through Ohio in North America. Europe didn't have
glaciers? Did a science writer, aka journalism major, run wild with a story
without thinking it through?

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Lisbeth Andersson - 24 Apr 2007 14:50 GMT
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>> This lost landscape, where hunter gatherer communities once
>> lived, was swallowed by rising water levels at the end of the
>> last ice age.
<...>
> So let me get this straight. The North Sea was dry land
> during the last ice
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> journalism major, run wild with a story without thinking it
> through?
Which part of "at the end of the last ice age" is it you don't
understand?
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Matt Giwer - 24 Apr 2007 23:38 GMT
> <...>
>>> This lost landscape, where hunter gatherer communities once
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>> journalism major, run wild with a story without thinking it
>> through?
> Which part of "at the end of the last ice age" is it you don't
> understand?
What part of, if it is no longer ice then it is liquid, do you not understand?
If the glaciers are melted then the ocean level has risen. The two are directly
related. If the glaciers have retreated to, i.e. melted, only a few miles of
where there are still glaciers today, which is necessary to get them out of the
North Sea basin, then the water has already risen.
There is no time lag between melting glaciers and rising sea level. They happen
at the same time and in sync.
If you had not tried the dumb trick of changing the newsgroup I would not
bother to point out how stupid you are for thinking the could be no glaciers and
low sea level at the same time.

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Digger - 25 Apr 2007 09:32 GMT
> If the glaciers are melted then the ocean level has risen. The two are
> directly
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> happen
> at the same time and in sync.
This is a rather simplistic interpretation of what happened following the
last ice age.
Firstly, people should realise that the ice sheet did not cover the entire
North Sea basin. It seems more likely that is would have covered the
northern half of the British Isles then extended to the North East, towards
Scandinavia and the Baltic region. Much of the North Sea basin which lay
between what is now eastern England and the Netherlands would have
experienced Tundra-like conditions during the coldest phases of the ice age.
It is also worth remembering that the Ice Age was not in fact a single
event. It was actually a series of fluctuations in climate in which the ice
would have retreated and advanced and there would have been various episodes
of warmer conditions, (some as warm, or warmer than now).
Another factor to take into account is Isostatic lift. This is basically the
mechanism which takes thousands of years by which the land mass of southern
Britain would have been higher above sea level than it is now owing to the
weight of ice pressing down on the northern half of the country. Since the
retreat of the ice, the northern half of the country has risen and continues
to rise (hence the reason we see many raised beaches in northern Britain).
At the same time, Southern Britain (including much of the North Sea basin)
has fallen. Therefore the combination of ice melt AND reducing land levels
has resulted in large areas beeing inundated.
This is a very "potted" version of what happened but I hope it helps to
explain things.
Uwe Müller - 25 Apr 2007 10:06 GMT
> > If the glaciers are melted then the ocean level has risen. The two are
> > directly
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> This is a very "potted" version of what happened but I hope it helps to
> explain things.
Very well explained.
I'd like to add, that even for the 10th c. AD (long after the end of the
glaciation) it is hard or even impossible to securely fix the height of land
and sea levels, and their relative position to each other, for sites in the
south western Baltic.
Mesolithic settlements in situ have been found as far as 30 km north of
todays shoreline in the southern Baltic.
have fun
Uwe Mueller
Daryl Krupa - 25 Apr 2007 23:42 GMT
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> So let me get this straight. The North Sea was dry land during the last ice
> age. Why were their no glaciers covering the land that far north? They were
> south about a third the way through Ohio in North America. Europe didn't have
> glaciers? Did a science writer, aka journalism major, run wild with a story
> without thinking it through?
http://tinyurl.com/29h6aw
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/NEW_MAPS/europe1.gif
http://www.esd.ornl.gov/projects/qen/NEW_MAPS/europe2.gif
So, what was that you said, about going off half-cocked?
- Daryl Krupa
Douglas Clark - 24 Apr 2007 07:55 GMT
For once Jack has hit the ball because there is a Time Team Special on
exactly this tonight on UK Channel 4 TV. Regretably I think I must watch
Manchester United instead.

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> Hunter-gatherer culture beneath the waves. Drawings and maps at cite.
>
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> Story from BBC NEWS:
> http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/education/6584011.stm
Jack Linthicum - 24 Apr 2007 11:56 GMT
On Apr 24, 2:55 am, "Douglas Clark" <dgdcl...@NOSPAMdgdclynx.plus.com>
wrote:
> For once Jack has hit the ball because there is a Time Team Special on
> exactly this tonight on UK Channel 4 TV. Regretably I think I must watch
[quoted text clipped - 73 lines]
> > Story from BBC NEWS:
> >http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/education/6584011.stm
Yeah, better a nil-nil tie with Italy's fifth place team than getting
current, as it were, on on the bottom of the sea.