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Comments sent to DAILY TELEGRAPH, Australia, by Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud following article published today (see below) making reference to NASA's new terrible findings ( which are still short of the mark though ) : NASA research is correct in estimating an exponential aggravation of sea levels world wide. I might add the following information if I may : Some subsea volcanic activity is quite noticeable in both North & South pole now, with one major underwater volcano being discovered recently in Antarctic The melting of Ice caps will also generate erratic instability of the Earth axis re nominal value, leading in turn what is known by the True Geology as "magmatic sloshing" ... hence to re- activation of probable existing ( although not known) volcanoes under both North & South Ice Caps If so the projection of 7 m for sea level rises will be brought back to a mere 5 years according to my computations. Yours sincerely Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pioneer Discoverer of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre mines in the Great Sandy Desert Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Mobile +33 650 171 464 Founder of the True Geology ~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~ for background info. http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm Email: sir.jean-paul.turcaud(at)neuf.fr ************************************************ DAILY TELEGRAPH http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegraph/story/0,22049,21965216-5001021,00.html SITUATION CRITICAL ON CLIMATE By Michelle Cazzulino June 26, 2007 12:00am MELTING ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica will cause the sea level to rise much faster than previously anticipated, according to alarming new NASA research. The alarming prediction was made by a research team led by James Hansen, from NASA's Goddard Institute, and published in a peer- reviewed paper titled Climate Change and Trace Gases. The document argues the Earth is perilously close to entering a new era of runaway climate change, warning that while conditions are currently classified as "serious", they are likely to tip into "dangerous" over the next decade. It says while the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change had forecast a sea level rise of 18cm-59cm, that figure did not take into account melting ice sheets in Greenland and Antarctica. "That's beginning to lose mass and is situated on a bedrock below sea level, so it's potentially unstable and could give a very large sea- level rise," Mr Hansen said. Beyond Zero Emissions spokesman Matthew Wright said immediate action was needed. "There is little point setting 2020 or 2050 greenhouse gas reduction targets," he said. "We have too much carbon in the air now, in 2007." > Comments sent to DAILY TELEGRAPH, Australia, by Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud > following article published today (see below) making reference to [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > If so the projection of 7 m for sea level rises will be brought back > to a mere 5 years according to my computations. Just goes to show that the Torygraph will publish any old sh.t. BTW, you are obviosuly living in a fantasy - since they didn't publish it. cheers Bill > > Comments sent to DAILY TELEGRAPH, Australia, by Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud > > following article published today (see below) making reference to [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > cheers > Bill (Good to see Bill has his cheery smile back.) Hi Bill. You know what they call that kind of overreaction, don't you? > > <sir.jean-paul.turc...@neuf.fr> wrote in message > >news:1182849899.050111.173820@p77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... kind forward of some answer in aus.ng ********************************************** On 26 juin, 15:53, "Chom Noamsky" <b...@t.me> wrote: *> "10x" <10x@telu?s.net> wrote in message *> *> news:2t22835k8pinfhl1prot54pm7jv3560br1@4ax.com... *> *> > So get a surveyor to figure out where the new coastline is going to be *> > and start buying prospective ocean front property. *> *> I hope you won't mind a few million displaced Banglasheshi moving in with *> you. Well seen both ! jpturcaud > Comments sent to DAILY TELEGRAPH, Australia, by Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud > following article published today (see below) making reference to <snip> It's interesting how one can almost always spot a Google-poster even *before* examining the message headers.  SignaturePosted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com > <sir.jean-paul.turc...@neuf.fr> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > It's interesting how one can almost always spot a Google-poster > even *before* examining the message headers. I'm considering asking Google to flag certain posters by content... Let me get this straight. It is going to rise 1.2 meters per year or 10 centimeters a month so all I have to do is put a meterstick in the ocean and come back in a month to see if the claim is bullshit. Right? SignatureHow can Congress be against the war on Iraq and also be calling for war on Iran? They cannot be if they represent the voters. They can be if they represent Israel. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3809 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml Larry Shiff http://www.giwersworld.org/computers/newsagent.phtml a8 > Let me get this straight. It is going to rise 1.2 meters per year or 10 > centimeters a month so all I have to do is put a meterstick in the ocean and > come back in a month to see if the claim is bullshit. Right? No, Sir ! Such process are in fact resulting from chain reaction, and let say that a probable major volcanic activity is triggered right underneath one of the Inlandsis, you may find yourself with a 1m rise in a month. Are you aware of that subsea volcanic activity in Antarctic ? Are you aware too of the erratic wobbling of Earth axis at the present time ? ... and parallely the progressive loss of balancing rotation masses at the Poles ? I believe this will result in an very instable situation for the planet especially since great masses of water such a Aral, Asof seas, lake Tchad have disappeared and on the opposite some 10 000 dams have been loaded on Earth spinning periphery and some are very large indeed Personally I do not know when it will occur but contrarily to official views & according to the True Geology indeed, Earth is not spinning out of inertia from some alleged Big Bang but is driven both on its own rotation & orbit by the Sun itself. The nature of a driving force is unstable since the flow relative to the centre of the vortex has a tangential speed slower than the one on the outside of the driven body ! Do you get that clear ? Let see for example the analogy of a cork in a bottom propeller driven washing machine, what you can observe is the instability of that cork having a tendency to be always instable and redressing & falling in turn its position. The stability of the Earth on the other hand is determined by its Polar masses and a magmatic adaptation to eventual impact & accident seen for example as the Equatorial Bulge. Now what I am getting at is the fact that if you upset the equilibrium by playing with the greatest momentum forces i.e. the ones relatives to the greatest tangential speed on periphery of the spinning body, you can not expect an immediate re-equilibrium by the magmatic masses underlying the crust since those masses are constrained by greater & greater thickness of crust ( or Lithosphere ) In clear and although this is not known indeed but by the True Geology, as a planet drifts from mother star on the Plane of Ecliptic, its crust thickness to the point where Quakes ( or adaptation by Planet Expansion to an anisobaric & anisotropic environment ) are no longer possible ( see the case for example of Olympus mons on Mars ) Once then the point of instability of our Earth will be reached you will get all those reactions in series, and my intrinsic belief is not if it will happen but when it will happen ! Further the intentions of Government are not to develop new technologies developed from a proper understanding of the UPL ( Universal Pressure Law ) but to keep on cashing as well as those in real financial power upon well proven system of quick return on investment ? Correct ? Unfortunately for those greedy beasts of prey, we are all on the same boat Yours sincerely Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pioneer Discoverer of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre mines in the Great Sandy Desert >> Let me get this straight. It is going to rise 1.2 meters per year >> or 10 [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > one of the Inlandsis, you may find yourself with a 1m rise in a > month. <<<SNIP>>> Let's see . . hmmm . . . 140M square miles of ocean, at 2.56M sq. meters per sq. mile, works out to 3.6 times 10 *14* cubic meters needed to raise that surface area by one meter. That's 360 TRILLION (not British trillion) cubic meters. That's 140,000 cubic kilometers . . . the largest volcanic eruption in the past 10,000 years was 1815 Tambora at 100 cubic kilometers. So the proposed new eruption would be 1400 times larger than that, and would have to take place entirely beneath the surface of the ocean, or all of its deposits would have to end up there. Seems unlikely. Mike Williams Arroyo Grande, CA USA <<Snip>> > Let's see . . hmmm . . . 140M square miles of ocean, at 2.56M sq. meters > per sq. mile, works out to 3.6 times 10 *14* cubic meters needed to raise [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > that, and would have to take place entirely beneath the surface of the > ocean, or all of its deposits would have to end up there. Seems unlikely. I made a math error, and thereby greatly underestimated the amount of displacement required to raise sea level one meter. I believe the correct figure is just about 363,000 cubic kilometers, thereby requiring the equivalent of 3,630 Tamboras.. Mike Williams Arroyo Grande, CA USA > <<Snip>> > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > figure is just about 363,000 cubic kilometers, thereby requiring the > equivalent of 3,630 Tamboras.. 5.2 x 10^14 cubic meters per meter of increase. 36.5 x 10^15 for 7 meters. Or 16,500,000,000,000,000 cubic meters for the exponentially impaired. SignatureThe only way to get to the bottom of the Valerie Plame outing is to torture Libby until he tells all. The identity of our spies is a matter of national security. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3813 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml Blame Israel http://www.ussliberty.org a10 >> Let me get this straight. It is going to rise 1.2 meters per year or 10 >> centimeters a month so all I have to do is put a meterstick in the ocean and [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > one of the Inlandsis, you may find yourself with a 1m rise in a > month. So you are claiming there has been an accurate prediction of volcanic activity which will cause this? Where is it published and why the confidence? > Are you aware of that subsea volcanic activity in Antarctic ? > Are you aware too of the erratic wobbling of Earth axis at the present > time ? ... and parallely the progressive loss of balancing rotation > masses at the Poles ? I am aware of geophysics and understand the basic principles involved. Therefore I know for a fact you are bullshitting me. > I believe this will result in an very instable situation for the > planet especially since great masses of water such a Aral, Asof seas, > lake Tchad have disappeared and on the opposite some 10 000 dams have > been loaded on Earth spinning periphery and some are very large > indeed If that is your belief I would not be surprised to find you believe in leprechauns. Beliefs are immaterial. Only physical evidence matters. ... > Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud > Australia Mining Pioneer > Discoverer of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre mines in the Great Sandy Desert You are a fool. SignatureRepublicans support personal freedom within the limits of national security which is threatened by an old man sitting in a cave in Pakistan. The Iron Webmaster, 3804 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml antisemitism http://www.giwersworld.org/antisem/ a1 > sir.jeanpaul-turc...@neuf.fr wrote: > >> Let me get this straight. It is going to rise 1.2 meters per year or 10 [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > So you are claiming there has been an accurate prediction of volcanic activity > which will cause this? Where is it published and why the confidence? Your problem is with semantic, Matt, as much as Mike is with reading ...not with math. Just consider the association of concepts in the first phrase : claiming, has been, accurate prediction. There is a definitive incoherence in your thinking process, of which you are not aware obviously. In fact what you are really saying : such scenario is unacceptable ! Just know that total melting of Ice caps would raise the sea level by 70 m Is it not a fact further that you are a probable beuuuliever in Glaciations, Paleo Glacial Climate, Big Bang, Red Shift & Universe Expansion ... & Continental drift of course ... hence in all evidence in no position to understand anything at all ! jpturcaud >> sir.jeanpaul-turc...@neuf.fr wrote: >>>> Let me get this straight. It is going to rise 1.2 meters per year or 10 [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > Expansion ... & Continental drift of course ... hence in all > evidence in no position to understand anything at all ! My problem is that I read what is posted and respond to what is posted and you have posted total bullshit. You posted 7 meters in 5 years. You then said you could predict a geological event with 5.2 x 10^14 cubic meters per meter of increase. 36.5 x 10^15 for 7 meters. Or 16,500,000,000,000,000 cubic meters for the exponentially impaired. falling into the sea. Arithmetic pisses on the fools both great and small. SignatureAl Qaeda is growing so quickly that today everyone in Iraq who is fighting the US is a member of Al Qaeda. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3810 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml http://www.giwersworld.org * On 28 juin, 09:15, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote: *> sir.jeanpaul-turc...@neuf.fr wrote: *> > On 27 juin, 23:13, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote: *> *> > In fact what you are really saying : such scenario is unacceptable ! *> > Just know that total melting of Ice caps would raise the sea level by *> > 70 m *> *> *> My problem is that I read what is posted and respond to what is posted and you *> have posted total bullshit. You posted 7 meters in 5 years. You then said you *> could predict a geological event with *> *> 5.2 x 10^14 cubic meters per meter of increase. 36.5 x 10^15 for 7 meters. *> *> Or 16,500,000,000,000,000 cubic meters for the exponentially impaired. *> *> falling into the sea. *> *> Arithmetic pisses on the fools both great and small. *> ( you must be wet then ) Dear Sir, 1m rise in sea level corresponds to 360 millions de km2 x 1 E-3 ( 71 % of global surface ) Equals 360 000 km3 Now Antarctica consists of two major regions: West Antarctica 6,475,000 km? A mountainous archipelago that includes the Antarctic Peninsula, and East Antarctica 7,770,000 km? The thickness of those Inlandsis are approx 2.5 miles i.e. approx 4.km Hence we have roughly 6.475 E6 x 4 = 25 millions of Km3 of water available in West Antarctica and 7.7 E6 x 4 = 30.8 millions of Km3 of water available in East Antarctica The conclusion is that you have something enough to raise global sea level by 55.8 E6 / 360 000 = 155 m This is why with allowance regarding some dry area of Antarctica, the official estimate is 70 m sea rise if the whole Antarctica was to melt. Not considering of course the melting of Greenland and the 3rd Pole aka the Himalayas or Tibetans high plateaux The activation of Artic & Antarctic volcanism is no further a possibility but a reality with further some powerful subsea volcanim being reported. The True Geology has already given you the reasons of that activation With best regards Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pioneer Discoverer of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre mines in the Great Sandy Desert Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Mobile +33 650 171 464 Founder of the True Geology ~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~ <<snip>> <Dear Sir, <1m rise in sea level corresponds to 360 millions de km2 x 1 E-3 ( 71 % <of global surface ) <Equals <360 000 km3 <Now Antarctica consists of two major regions: <West Antarctica 6,475,000 km² <A mountainous archipelago that includes the Antarctic Peninsula, <and <East Antarctica 7,770,000 km² <The thickness of those Inlandsis are approx 2.5 miles i.e. approx <4.km <Hence we have roughly <6.475 E6 x 4 = 25 millions of Km3 of water available in West <Antarctica and <7.7 E6 x 4 = 30.8 millions of Km3 of water available in East Antarctica <The conclusion is that you have something enough to raise global sea <level by <55.8 E6 / 360 000 = 155 m <<snip>> But - you distinctly stated that the sea level could rise one meter in one MONTH! And further implied that this would be due to volcanic activity! Here is what you said: <<Such process are in fact resulting from chain reaction, and let say <that a probable major volcanic activity is triggered right underneath <one of the Inlandsis, you may find yourself with a 1m rise in a <month. <Are you aware of that subsea volcanic activity in Antarctic ?>> And I calculated that that would require the immersion into the oceans of the equivalent of 3630 Tambora eruptions. Within one month's time. You're completely mad if you assign anything greater than a zero probability to that happening, or anything even like it. The actual figure, BTW, would be substantially larger than 3630, because, in a volcanic eruption, there would be deflation along with the eruption, greatly lessening the actual effective volume. Mike Williams Arroyo Grande, CA USA > <sir.jeanpaul-turc...@neuf.fr> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > Mike Williams > Arroyo Grande, CA USA I think you are a complete idiot with your 3630 Tambora ( which incidentally means drums ) ...and at the present time you are drumming on my nerves indeed ! I said this 1m sea rising in one month would be due to volcanic activity under the North or South Inlandsis ! Got that Mike ? Do you know what is an Inlandsis by the way So not only you cannot compute but as well cannot read properly... Congratulations ! .... What are you doing in life bloody Hell ? Geology Lecturer at Caltech ? Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pioneer Discoverer of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre mines in the Great Sandy Desert Exploration Geologist & Offshore Consultant Mobile +33 650 171 464 Founder of the True Geology ~ Ignorance is the Cosmic Sin, the One never Forgiven ~ for background info. http://www.tnet.com.au/~warrigal/grule.html http://users.indigo.net.au/don/tel/index.html http://members.iimetro.com.au/~hubbca/turcaud.htm http://www.abc.net.au/rn/talks/bbing/stories/s28534.htm Email: sir.jean-paul.turcaud(at)neuf.fr <<snip>> I think you are a complete idiot with your 3630 Tambora ( which incidentally means drums ) ...and at the present time you are drumming on my nerves indeed ! I said this 1m sea rising in one month would be due to volcanic activity under the North or South Inlandsis ! Got that Mike ? Do you know what is an Inlandsis by the way So not only you cannot compute but as well cannot read properly... Congratulations ! .... What are you doing in life bloody Hell ? Geology Lecturer at Caltech ? Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud Australia Mining Pioneer Discoverer of Telfer, Nifty & Kintyre mines in the Great Sandy Desert <<snip>> I read just fine, JP. And think, too. It only took me a fraction of a second to compute to within an order of magnitude or two just what volume would be required to raise sea level the amount you proposed. And, just as quickly, I realized you were off on a magic carpet ride. I don't give a rat's a.s what an Inlandsis is. Displacement is displacement. Do you have a problem with any of the actual facts or reasoning in my rebuttal to your statement? Didn't think so. And I'm only an amateur. A professional geologist would rip you a new one, six different ways from Sunday. What a dork. Stupidity is entirely forgivable. But your combination of arrogance, stupidity and ignorance needs to be regularly slapped down. Mike Williams Arroyo Grande, CA USA Not easy to compute if not impossible. Isostatic adjustment? How much? More ice melts then more CO2 absorbed with increased ocean surface. > Not easy to compute if not impossible. Isostatic adjustment? How > much? More ice melts then more CO2 absorbed with increased ocean > surface. I could be wrong, but would think that the increase in surface area with a one meter, or even 7 meter rise would be negligible. Mike Williams Arroyo Grande, CA USA snip . Stupidity is > entirely forgivable. But your combination of arrogance, stupidity and > ignorance needs to be regularly slapped down. > > Mike Williams > Arroyo Grande, CA USA Yours is not, Mike ! .... and re the combination of your 3 qualities ( clearly outlaid ) please apply to yourself the correct remedy you recommend ! In any case, the stage is set and the show has already started .... and there is only one remedy which is another way to look at things, but for blind men ( as most are re. True Geology ) this is impossible. With kind but sorry regards jp >I said this 1m sea rising in one month would be due to volcanic >activity under the North or South Inlandsis ! >Got that Mike ? >Do you know what is an Inlandsis by the way Still passing sh.t off as your own "work" Le Fraud ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indlandsis > Still passing sh.t off as your own "work" Le Fraud ? > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indlandsis Turdy is passing a lot of sh.t lately. True to his name I guess. Eduard > * On 28 juin, 09:15, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > and > East Antarctica 7,770,000 km² I gave the correct numbers. You said geological event. You said 7 meters in 5 years. What you said is the only thing under discussion. SignatureJulius Streicher, notorious Nazi, was executed at Nuremberg for doing nothing more than exercising freedom of the press. -- The Iron Webmaster, 3799 nizkor http://www.giwersworld.org/nizkook/nizkook.phtml Iraqi democracy http://www.giwersworld.org/911/armless.phtml a3 >> Let me get this straight. It is going to rise 1.2 meters per year >> or 10 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Such process are in fact resulting from chain reaction, The only chain reaction around you Turdy, is the inter-action between your mouth and your arse. I've done a lot of research on gas discharges and most of them seem to be coming from you. sir.jean-paul.turc...@neuf.fr wrote: > Comments sent to DAILY TELEGRAPH, Australia, by Sir Jean-Paul Turcaud > following article published today (see below) making reference to [quoted text clipped - 74 lines] > > "We have too much carbon in the air now, in 2007." |
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