8,000 BC - Early Squash Seeds, Peru
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David - 26 Dec 2007 15:22 GMT by Samir S. Patel http://www.archaeology.org/0801/topten/squash_seeds.html
Tom Dillehay of Vanderbilt University -
"Not only do people domesticate plants, but the plants in some ways domesticate people."
Comments?
David Christainsen
Tom McDonald - 27 Dec 2007 02:33 GMT > by Samir S. Patelhttp://www.archaeology.org/0801/topten/squash_seeds.html > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Comments? Yes. This is such a commonplace, such an obvious fact, so well-known to archaeologists, that I'm surprised Dillehay felt the need to write it out loud.
It is the reason the Neolithic is (generally) such a significant departure from the late Paleolithic.
Did it come as a new thought to you? If so, why? Hadn't you noticed it before?
David - 27 Dec 2007 08:48 GMT > > by Samir S. Patelhttp://www.archaeology.org/0801/topten/squash_seeds.html > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Did it come as a new thought to you? If so, why? Hadn't you noticed it > before? I am honored that you deigned to comment in response to Dillehay, not me. I myself am a mere flyspeck in the universe. Worse than that, I am a writer who gets down quickly to the basics.
Tom McDonald - 27 Dec 2007 13:02 GMT > > > by Samir S. Patelhttp://www.archaeology.org/0801/topten/squash_seeds.html > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > in the universe. Worse than that, I am a writer who > gets down quickly to the basics. But can you discuss my comments? With regard to the archaeological issue involved? Will you?
Well?
David - 27 Dec 2007 15:27 GMT > > > > by Samir S. Patelhttp://www.archaeology.org/0801/topten/squash_seeds.html > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Well? In general the rise of farming brought about a sedentary way of life.
In Peru of 8000 BC -
were villages established? My answer as of now: doubtful that we have archaeological evidence of it because I have not heard of it.
The best that can be done IMHO is to trace the limited range of domesticated crops. Animals, if possible though they were not mentioned in the article. Maybe animals came somewhat later. I don't really know.
David Christainsen
Peter Alaca - 27 Dec 2007 17:21 GMT "David" <pchristainsen@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3d04a3fd-9caf-478f-a79e-
> In general the rise of farming brought about a sedentary way of life. Oh my god! You must be kidding! Go away, realy? Never in my whole life I have heard such a thing.
And Barbara Thiering took measurements, you said?
dougweller@gmail.com - 27 Dec 2007 17:39 GMT > "David" <pchristain...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And Barbara Thiering took measurements, you said? Come on, just killfile him everybody. This thread is just confirmation of what we all know, that he is completely clueless (so complete that he has no idea how clueless he is). I don't know what his purpose is in starting all these threads, it may be his delusion that he is a teacher and this is his classroom, it may be to prove something else, but for sci.arch's sake he needs to be ignored.
Doug
Peter Alaca - 27 Dec 2007 17:53 GMT On Dec 27, 12:21 pm, "Peter Alaca" <p.al...@purple.invalid> wrote:
> "David" <pchristain...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > And Barbara Thiering took measurements, you said? Come on, just killfile him everybody. This thread is just confirmation of what we all know, that he is completely clueless (so complete that he has no idea how clueless he is). I don't know what his purpose is in starting all these threads, it may be his delusion that he is a teacher and this is his classroom, it may be to prove something else, but for sci.arch's sake he needs to be ignored.
Doug
Okay, there he goes in a straightjacket to a padded cell
Bye Carl
David - 28 Dec 2007 00:38 GMT > <dougwel...@gmail.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Bye Carl You are juvenile.
David - 28 Dec 2007 00:38 GMT On Dec 27, 12:39 pm, "dougwel...@gmail.com" <dougwel...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > "David" <pchristain...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Doug You are deceived. The real ACTION will shortly be on SHA between TomP and myself. May it be productive.
Matt Giwer - 29 Dec 2007 03:08 GMT ...
> You are deceived. The real ACTION will shortly be on SHA between > TomP and myself. May it be productive. Hide your wives and beadwork. The barbarian is at the gates.
David - 28 Dec 2007 00:35 GMT > "David" <pchristain...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > And Barbara Thiering took measurements, you said? Thus, you've never heard of any archaeological evidence for villages in Peru 8000 BC, where the villagers domesticated a very limited range of crops.
BTW, you misspelled - "realy".
Matt Giwer - 27 Dec 2007 05:27 GMT > by Samir S. Patel > http://www.archaeology.org/0801/topten/squash_seeds.html [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Comments? You were tamed by a rutabaga.
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David - 27 Dec 2007 08:52 GMT On Dec 27, 12:27 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
> > by Samir S. Patel > >http://www.archaeology.org/0801/topten/squash_seeds.html [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > You were tamed by a rutabaga. >... Rather, I am thinking like an archaeologist.
David Christainsen
Peter Alaca - 27 Dec 2007 11:08 GMT "David" <pchristainsen@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:231b561b-7d8f-4916-bf42-
>...
> Rather, I am thinking like an archaeologist. You have no idea how an archaeologist thinks Piss off
David - 27 Dec 2007 11:26 GMT > "David" <pchristain...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You have no idea how an archaeologist thinks > Piss off LOL. The best of the year.
Peter Alaca - 27 Dec 2007 11:30 GMT On Dec 27, 6:08 am, "Peter Alaca" <p.al...@purple.invalid> wrote:
> "David" <pchristain...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> You have no idea how an archaeologist thinks >> Piss off
> LOL. The best of the year. You clearly are the worst of the year f.ck off
David - 27 Dec 2007 11:35 GMT > On Dec 27, 6:08 am, "Peter Alaca" <p.al...@purple.invalid> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You clearly are the worst of the year > f.ck off Peter's nasty side. But, HEY! I can handle it.
Matt Giwer - 28 Dec 2007 03:27 GMT >> On Dec 27, 6:08 am, "Peter Alaca" <p.al...@purple.invalid> wrote: >>> "David" <pchristain...@yahoo.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> You clearly are the worst of the year >> f.ck off
> Peter's nasty side. But, HEY! I can handle it. You are stupid beyond belief.
You are an ancient yuletide carol.
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David - 28 Dec 2007 12:59 GMT On Dec 27, 10:27 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 27, 6:08 am, "Peter Alaca" <p.al...@purple.invalid> wrote: > >>> "David" <pchristain...@yahoo.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > You are an ancient yuletide carol. >... You hold the world record for being unintelligent in your insult technique.
When you decide to act, you have to put force behind it.
When I read you, rotting wood comes to mind mentally.
David Christainsen
Matt Giwer - 29 Dec 2007 03:20 GMT > On Dec 27, 10:27 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> You are an ancient yuletide carol. >> ...
> You hold the world record for being unintelligent > in your insult technique. You remain stupid. Everyone tells you that. You insist otherwise. A troll remains an ancient yuletide carol.
> When you decide to act, you have to put force behind it. How about, "Thiering undresses you funny"? "Babs has three boobs"?
> When I read you, rotting wood comes to mind mentally. Rotting wood generally has quite a pleasant smell. Perhaps you are thinking of a rotting woody.
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Tom McDonald - 28 Dec 2007 15:15 GMT <snip>
> You are an ancient yuletide carol. LOL!
<snip>
David - 28 Dec 2007 15:35 GMT > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > <snip> Not LOL!
The traditional early Quakers did not celebrate Christmas or sing carols. I emulate them for the most part.
There has always been deep misunderstanding on your part of exactly who I am and what my background is.
I am a complete mystery to you after A FULL YEAR.
However, now I am seriously conversing with you and it isn't about squash seeds.
I repeat that the 1981 Thiering article I mentioned earlier is NECESSARY FOUNDATION for you ever to understand Essene solar calendar and its presence in specific NT text.
It's your choice. Well? Do you want to learn something new? If you do, I invite you to get involved in forthcoming discussion on SHA.
David Christainsen
Matt Giwer - 29 Dec 2007 03:30 GMT >> <snip> >>> You are an ancient yuletide carol. >> LOL! >> <snip>
> Not LOL! You finally got it.
> The traditional early Quakers did not celebrate Christmas or > sing carols. I emulate them for the most part. The Shintoists do not celebrate Christmas or sing carols. You emulate them too. You emulate the Muslims too. Also the Jews. In fact the emulate the majority of the human race today and for most of history.
As you likely do not know, Quakers were emulating Christians before their and did not adopt the developing custom of transferring the pagan traditions to the Christian holiday.
Now back to your regularly schedule Thiering drooling.
> There has always been deep misunderstanding on your > part of exactly who I am and what my background is. I had always suspected you were dropped on your head as an infant as you do not appear old enough to have been kicked in the head by a mule.
> I am a complete mystery to you after A FULL YEAR. A veritable superhero! A man of listery.
> However, now I am seriously conversing with you and it isn't about > squash seeds. Pips actually.
> I repeat that the 1981 Thiering article I mentioned earlier is > NECESSARY FOUNDATION for you ever to understand > Essene solar calendar and its presence in specific NT text. No one gives a damn. No one can figure why you give a damn.
> It's your choice. Well? Do you want to learn something new? > If you do, I invite you to get involved in forthcoming discussion > on SHA. Its not happening. He is setting you up.
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Matt Giwer - 28 Dec 2007 03:25 GMT > On Dec 27, 12:27 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Rather, I am thinking like an archaeologist. Rutabagas do not think.
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David - 28 Dec 2007 12:52 GMT On Dec 27, 10:25 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> wrote:
> > On Dec 27, 12:27 am, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Rutabagas do not think. >... You are off topic. I think you should stop.
David Christainsen
Matt Giwer - 29 Dec 2007 03:31 GMT > On Dec 27, 10:25 pm, Matt Giwer <jul...@tampabay.REMover.rr.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > You are off topic. I think you should stop. You have said nothing on topic yet as EVERYONE here has told you.
So I choose to treat you as comic relief -- even though you are not funny.
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