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What is Stanford thinking of?

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Doug Weller - 30 Jan 2008 22:18 GMT
Although I think Stanford is wrong about his Solutrean hypothesis, what in
the world is he doing speaking at a conference with Edo Nyland (billed as
a world renowned Linguistic Archaeologist, a rather fancy way of saying
kook) and Gunnar Thompson?

http://www.atlanticconference.org/

I see Scott Wolter will be there also.

Back to Edo Nyland, this is a very interesting page called "Search Engines
and the Will to Truth" -- which uses him as a case study.

http://www.technorhetoric.net/6.1/features/dillon/enginesendtidy.html

Doug
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roger.pearse@googlemail.com - 31 Jan 2008 00:27 GMT
On Jan 30, 10:18 pm, Doug Weller <dwel...@ramtops.removethis.co.uk>
wrote:
> ... Linguistic Archaeologist...

Can you do archaeology on linguistics?  I suppose you can do something
with inscriptions and the like, and coins, and literary texts, but...
is this a real discipline?

All the best,

Roger Pearse
J.LyonLayden - 31 Jan 2008 01:15 GMT
On Jan 30, 7:27 pm, "roger.pea...@googlemail.com"
<roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> On Jan 30, 10:18 pm, Doug Weller <dwel...@ramtops.removethis.co.uk>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> with inscriptions and the like, and coins, and literary texts, but...
> is this a real discipline?

He wrote a book called Linguistic Archeology, so it seems he coined
the term. I think it has more to do with tracing the lineage of words
and scripts, and using that info to shed light on archeological
questions.

Doug would not consider it a science.

BTW, Doug-  almost every Yoga tape that my GF has someone saying "Yoga
is a science" or "the science of Yoga" or "since Yoga is a science"
somewhere on it.

> All the best,
>
> Roger Pearse
Doug Weller - 31 Jan 2008 06:24 GMT
>On Jan 30, 7:27 pm, "roger.pea...@googlemail.com"
><roger.pea...@googlemail.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>is a science" or "the science of Yoga" or "since Yoga is a science"
>somewhere on it.

Of course it does.
And Nyland thinks that all languages come from Basque.

Doug
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Tom McDonald - 31 Jan 2008 02:24 GMT
> Although I think Stanford is wrong about his Solutrean hypothesis, what in
> the world is he doing speaking at a conference with Edo Nyland (billed as
> a world renowned Linguistic Archaeologist, a rather fancy way of saying
> kook) and Gunnar Thompson?
>
> http://www.atlanticconference.org/

That's a very good question. Taking part in this conference looks
to me like an act of naivete, or of desperation.

I, too, don't agree with Stanford's Solutrean hypothesis, but
still am interested enough in it to want to see whether it goes
anywhere with further research. Presenting at this conference
would seem to me to be a very bad move for any serious discussion
of that hypothesis.

I wonder whether the conference organizers went for someone
relatively mainstream to establish credibility, and Stanford was
the one they snagged?

> I see Scott Wolter will be there also.

This is also somewhat disappointing, for the above reasons.

> Back to Edo Nyland, this is a very interesting page called "Search Engines
> and the Will to Truth" -- which uses him as a case study.
>
> http://www.technorhetoric.net/6.1/features/dillon/enginesendtidy.html

It's a pretty old page, though still useful.

I see that Eric has been consistent about his call for courtesy
to nutcases for a long time. :-)
Eric Stevens - 31 Jan 2008 04:39 GMT
>> Although I think Stanford is wrong about his Solutrean hypothesis, what in
>> the world is he doing speaking at a conference with Edo Nyland (billed as
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>I see that Eric has been consistent about his call for courtesy
>to nutcases for a long time. :-)

Courtesy - period.

Not so much courtesy as absence of aggressive savagery.

Having said that, I can only say I am disappointed at the naivette of
some of the people who are participating. Did you see that the blurb
extolls that rogue Gavin Menzies.

Eric Stevens
Eric Stevens - 31 Jan 2008 04:53 GMT
>> Although I think Stanford is wrong about his Solutrean hypothesis, what in
>> the world is he doing speaking at a conference with Edo Nyland (billed as
[quoted text clipped - 29 lines]
>I see that Eric has been consistent about his call for courtesy
>to nutcases for a long time. :-)

Woops! That got sent off before I was ready.   :-(

Try again.

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++

Courtesy - period.

Not so much courtesy as absence of aggressive savagery.

The point that was referred to in that URL when they took my name in
vain was not that I support Edo Nyland - quite the reverse in fact -
but that just because he believes all languages are descended from
Basque does not mean that ALL of his ideas are rubbish. It's a long
time since I read anything by him but as I recall he did have some
interesting insights into the Homer in the North Sea arguments.

Incidentally, he's not the Edo Nyland who protests he is not the other
one. As you would expect, it's the other way around.

Having said that, I can only say I am disappointed at the naivette of
some of the people who are participating in the Atlantic Conference.
Did you see that the blurb extolls that rogue Gavin Menzies? Who would
want to be associated with him?

Eric Stevens
 
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