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Cambodia, Kamboj, and Dravidians

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2.7182818284590... - 27 Mar 2008 03:39 GMT
I am keenly aware that the etymology of the word "Cambodia" is from a
North Indian surname, "Kamboj".  To this day in Northern India, mostly
in Punjab, this family name still exists. I am also keenly aware of
how the Cholas, which was predominantly a Tamil Dynasty, and how they
even ruled as far as Camobdia/Indonesia.  Here are my questions about
these areas:
1.  Did the Indonesians/Cambodians/Indo-Chinese ever speak a Dravidian
language?  Did it play a role in their culture/civilization?
2.  When (not where) did the toponym of "Cambodia" apply?  I can't
find info on this.
3.  It's far more likely that the Kamboj were originally from the
Tamil Nadu or Eastern India than from landlocked Northern India.  What
was the original linguistic group for the "Kamboj" tribe that brought
"Indianisms" to Indo-China?

We shouldn't rule out the possibility that the Kamboj who spread
Indianisms to Indo-China were Dravidians because Dravidian kings
typically had Sanskritic names - i.e. "Rajaram" or "VIjaynagar."

From my understanding of how Hinduism spread to Bali, the Tamils of
India spread it to Bali, but strangely, the Tamils also spread Islam
to that area around 1100 AD.
mauryi@hotmail.com - 27 Mar 2008 19:05 GMT
On Mar 27, 2:39 am, "2.7182818284590..." <tangent1...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> I am keenly aware that the etymology of the word "Cambodia" is from a
> North Indian surname, "Kamboj".  To this day in Northern India, mostly
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> 1.  Did the Indonesians/Cambodians/Indo-Chinese ever speak a Dravidian
> language?  Did it play a role in their culture/civilization?

hindu was taken to sumatra /java first. in the local  dilect it
translate as stone grazer /worshipper

the khmer are originally from sumatra /java.  They settled in mainland
asia
and had a brief war with Java/sumatra and establish their  kingdom in
funan.
as ties with java/sumatra had been cut the khmer made direct contact
with bharat and invited/ employed hindu priest in the royal court to
teach..gradually as trade florished buddhism  lower vehicle teaching
came via cylon into java/sumatra and into mainland asia and in the
1500 century arab trades made malaysia/indonesia islam like it is
today..
high vehicle went north of bharat to afghanistan and tibet and into
china and so

before the khmer the chams who were hindu believers also came from the
malay achipelago and settled in the coast  of today central
vietnam.The kingdom of chams there temple and cham monuments 2500
years old in vietnam

literature was bali (sankrit) were borrowed from the kingdom of Candi
of cylon

ie kampong  means village in malaysian /indonesian/khmer
as for language they had their own language but for noble family and
priest sankrit was fashionable learning like English in today world..

There are like intermarriage between khmer and bharati... thank
goodness  caste system was not included...
Maurice Krait - 28 Mar 2008 13:48 GMT
2.7182818284590... a écrit :
> I am keenly aware that the etymology of the word "Cambodia" is from a
> North Indian surname, "Kamboj".  To this day in Northern India, mostly
> in Punjab, this family name still exists.

> 1.  Did the Indonesians/Cambodians/Indo-Chinese ever speak a Dravidian
> language?  Did it play a role in their culture/civilization?
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> was the original linguistic group for the "Kamboj" tribe that brought
> "Indianisms" to Indo-China?

The khmer language is classified by linguists in the same family called
Austroasiatic as the Mounda languages which are spoken in North-East
India ( Bihar , Orissa). There are not Dravidian languages.
Paulo da Costa - 28 Mar 2008 14:42 GMT
> 2.7182818284590... a écrit :
>> I am keenly aware that the etymology of the word "Cambodia" is from a
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> Austroasiatic as the Mounda languages which are spoken in North-East
> India ( Bihar , Orissa). There are not Dravidian languages.

Besides, the name of the Philippines comes ultimately from Philip of
Macedonia via the kings of the same name in Spain, but that doesn't
indicate much movement of people or "tribes" of any kind from northern
Greece to the Pacific.

Paulo
Peter T. Daniels - 28 Mar 2008 16:00 GMT
> > 2.7182818284590... a écrit :
> >> I am keenly aware that the etymology of the word "Cambodia" is from a
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> indicate much movement of people or "tribes" of any kind from northern
> Greece to the Pacific.

If you want to go back to Philip of Macedon, then you should probably
include the etymology of the name, "Lover of Horses." Though I don't
see how that relates to the original question.
richard01 - 28 Mar 2008 17:10 GMT
> > > 2.7182818284590... a écrit :
> > >> I am keenly aware that the etymology of the word "Cambodia" is from a
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Quite - it's the usual typically irrelevant comment
 
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