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The State of Climate Science from Four Experts

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crunch - 02 Jul 2009 23:50 GMT
Accuweather
http://global-warming.accuweather.com/2009/07/the_state_of_climate_science_f_1.html

David Christainsen - Meteorologist
leonard78sp@gmail.com - 03 Jul 2009 22:17 GMT
> Accuweatherhttp://global-warming.accuweather.com/2009/07/the_state_of_climate_sc...
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> David Christainsen - Meteorologist

•• Why do you waste the bandwidth with this guy's BS?

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In real science the burden of proof is always on
the proposer, never on the sceptics. So far
neither IPCC nor anyone else has provided one
iota of valid data for global warming nor have
they provided data that climate change is being
effected by commerce and industry, and not by
natural phenomena.
Eric Stevens - 04 Jul 2009 00:10 GMT
>> Accuweatherhttp://global-warming.accuweather.com/2009/07/the_state_of_climate_sc...
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>effected by commerce and industry, and not by
>natural phenomena.

The following has just emerged from the Australian Senate. The
original papers behind the full report may be found at
<http://joannenova.com.au/global-warming/the-wong-fielding-meeting-on-global-warm
ing-documents/
>
Particularly note the final paragraph below:

    "We add, with respect to (iii), that the scientific community is
    now so polarised on the controversial issue of dangerous global
    warming that proper due diligence on the matter can only be
    achieved where competent scientific witnesses are cross-examined
    under oath and under strict rules of evidence."

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 "Minister Wong's Reply to Senator Fielding's Three Questions on
  Climate Change - Due Diligence

  Bob Carter, David Evans, Stewart Franks & William Kininmonth

  PREAMBLE

  Emissions trading legislation, such as the "Carbon Pollution  
  Reduction Scheme" (CPRS) bill that is currently before parliament,
  rests upon the assumption that human greenhouse emissions,
  especially carbon dioxide, (i) are pollutants, and (ii) are causing
  dangerous global warming. Neither of these assumptions is supported
  by empirical evidence, and both have been under scientific
  challenge for many years by a large body of qualified and
  independent scientists.

  Cognisant of these facts, Senator Steve Fielding has posed three
  direct questions to the Minister for Climate Change, Senator Penny
  Wong, in order to clarify whether or not evidence exists that human
  carbon dioxide emissions are causing dangerous global warming, as
  alleged by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
  (IPCC).

  The Minister's replies to the Fielding questions drew heavily on
   IPCC arguments and advice. Parliament, in preparing to implement
   policy based upon the advice of an international political agency,
   has not hitherto had available to it a due diligence scientific
   assessment of the adequacy of the IPCC recommendations (Professor
   Garnaut's extensive report being an economic and not a scientific
   analysis). As independent scientists, and at the request of
   Senator Fielding, we provide preliminary scientific due diligence
   in this document.

  Our conclusions are:

  (i) that whilst recent increases in greenhouse gases play a minor
      radiative role in global climate, no strong evidence exists
      that human carbon dioxide emissions are causing, or are likely
      to cause, dangerous global warming;

  (ii) that it is unwise for government environmental policy to be
        set based upon monopoly advice, and especially so when that
        monopoly is represented by an international political (not
        scientific) agency; and

  (iii) that the results of implementing emissions trading
         legislation will be so costly, troublingly regressive,
         socially divisive and environmentally ineffective that
         Parliament should defer consideration of the CPRS bill and
         institute a fully independent Royal Commission of enquiry
         into the evidence for and against a dangerous human
         influence on climate.

    We add, with respect to (iii), that the scientific community is
    now so polarised on the controversial issue of dangerous global
    warming that proper due diligence on the matter can only be
    achieved where competent scientific witnesses are cross-examined
    under oath and under strict rules of evidence.

Eric Stevens
zayton - 04 Jul 2009 17:54 GMT
>>> Accuweatherhttp://global-warming.accuweather.com/2009/07/the_state_of_climate_sc...
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> Eric Stevens

Well then, if the politicians have spoken, who can doubt.
Eric Stevens - 04 Jul 2009 22:56 GMT
>>>> Accuweatherhttp://global-warming.accuweather.com/2009/07/the_state_of_climate_sc...
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>Well then, if the politicians have spoken, who can doubt.

Not many apparently. Politicians have been speaking since the Kyoto
conference. That includes the IPCC. But I thought you knew that?

Eric Stevens
Peter Muehlbauer - 05 Jul 2009 04:48 GMT
> >>>> Accuweatherhttp://global-warming.accuweather.com/2009/07/the_state_of_climate_sc...
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> Not many apparently. Politicians have been speaking since the Kyoto
> conference. That includes the IPCC. But I thought you knew that?

Yes, that's what they are predestinated for.
Big bla bla, sucking peoples money, fill their own pockets with it and
defenestrate the rest.
And what has changed since then but tossing the world into a world depression?
Right. Nothing.

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