History Forum / General / Archaeology / July 2009

The "author/compiler" is unidentified only in your feverish brain.
Check it out and find out his name.

Well, you are mistaken.  In fact, the Greek mythology clearly conceals
the Greek conquest and enlists a continued occupation of the land and
a continuity between Gods and humans.  In fact, you have to peal a few
layers from the Greek mythology to uncover the elements of conquest
(the hybrid myths). No group ever asserted rigths to anybody else on
the basis of conquest.  What was the jury????  The conquered either
accepted the conquest or perished.  A new conqueror could dispose of
the old conqueror any way he/she pleased.  These stories were
organizing myths originate for and by the aristocracy (ordinary humans
have little say in the Iliad and the songs were sung at the megara of
the powerful) to create ruling legitimacy.  The Bible is just such an
organ.  Conquest had to be explained in divine terms (because memories
of it persisted) but it was the divine will and those that served it
(the Pharisees and the Saduccees and the high priests) who benefited
from it.

Ethnic cohesion?  What does ethnic cohesion have to do with anything?
Was the gulf between the Samaritans and orthodox Hebrews any more
severe than the gulf between the Protestants and the Catholics in
France and in Germany (I would contest exactly the opposite).  If
Jesus is an example par excellence of many millennial preachers in the
1st century CE Palestine, this division was not that severe and
certainly not ethnic.

Why are you mistaking religion and ethnic cohesion?  These two notions
are separate and most people can make this distinction easily enough
and they made it through history.  First of all, the Bible itself is
hardly silent about Astarte and the fact that her worship lasted for
at least 400 years until the temples were destroyed by king Josiah
(shortly before the Egyptian and then the Babylonian conquest).  There
is little doubt, despite the hieratic claims in the Bible, that Judah
and Israel were kingdoms in which many religions flourished.  Now, my
guess is that the temple to Astarte that was destroyed by Constantine
was built some time after the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus as it
is unlikely that it would have existed under the severe Hasmonean rule
or the very religiously charged period of the Herodean rule.  Herod
himself was very careful to tiptoe around a profusion of zealots.

Oh, shut up.  Lots of evidence was presented to you.  You simply bury
your head in the sand.

Yes we do.  We actually have a number of inscriptions from Lachish
dating from the 7th century BCE and there are inscriptions of the same
period in Jerusalem.   I am not going to go into every archaeological
find, which, with you, is useless. But listen to yourself.  Nor only
do you have us believe that somebody simply freely associated the
Bible in the 1st century BCE, it also invented a language just for the
fun of it!!!

Did I mention any Babylonians????  Are you reading my text or dreaming
your dreams?

There are duplications and discontinuities but this happens when one
has to reconcile different myths, oral traditions and texts.  If there
was a single inventor, it would have been easy to keep the story
straight.  By the priests, and most likely primarily Ezra, had to
reconcile various traditions.  The easiest way out was to keep both of
them in.

And you have not read it.  That the temple and worship of Astarte and
Baal were present is mentioned various times (and many times is the
central narrative) in the Book of Kings.  The book of Kings actually
dates the introduction of the Astarte worship from the time of Solomon
(apparently, with Solomon's acceptance).

Blah, blah, blah, blah...

    But as we know it is total bullshit. So what is your point?

    And we also know the designation "table of nations" makes not the least bit
of sense if you actually read it. But you know you that you are only reciting
some nonsense some idiot was told by another idiot ad infinitum.

    What is your point? Everyone knows ever point you made after this is absolute
nonsense invented at some unknown time by some unknown people and has nothing
whatsoever to do with what is actually in Genesis.

    But please prove me wrong. Defend you BS in your own words, thumper.

Ezra mentions `men of Erech´ in Samaria.
<http://www.studylight.org/desk/?query=ezr+4:9&t=nas&sc=1>
May be Harran was linked to south Mesopotamia when they
identified Abraham with their own Gilgames.

...

    It is good to learn this. Please cite the sources from those kingdoms where
in fact they did do as you lie about. Take all the screens you need to make as
a.s of yourself.

    You are of course also invited to present those "details" along with the
archaeological finds which you consider corroborative.

    Consider that another bluff called.

    Remember your bible. The Chaldeans were in power. Are you ready to defend
that explicitly? Of course not. You lie like all believers.

    You are also invited to present the archaeological evidence there were
Judeans at that time as well as why the Babylonians would have believed the
claims of savage, genital mutilating goat herders.    

== Chaldeans:  The biblical way ==

Most of you will be like me who just read all your stuff
until it was clear none of you are original; I heard it all before,
and I had enough of it. Now this in itself is not a bad thing. Better
to know someone keeps and sustains the truth known for decades than
fabrication to come along like spaceships building Chaldea.

However, then we have those who line for line analyze each sentence on
its own without letting the point of the writer build up. They are
just making an attack because every line of the witer is repulsive to
them. This can be a creationist gagging on science, or a scientist who
thinks he is gagging on creationism (beware bible does not mean
creationism, maybe the writer has found the science in it that
religions ignore for the crap they piece together). Do be fair if
youre an theist because alot of supposed science these days is also
just new crap thrown together.

So now the topic UR
It says Arpaxad was the father of Chaldea. Seems to me the original
topic skipped over that since Arpaxad was born 339 years before Peleg
died, 350 years before Abram was born, and 425 years before Terah
died. Here are the things that can be pieced together by the things
known in religion about Chaldea. Chaldea was predicted to be wayward
from God; it was predicted to be destroyed. But it was also predicted
to come back and return, not as itself, but as the true knowledge, a
New City, to replace it with the science and astronomy and medicine of
which Ur had screwed up by going mystic.. There is a Shemetic Chaldea
because Arpaxad is the son of Shem, and then it was replaced by an
Akkadian Chaldea known as Babylon the 1st dynasty (1894 BC).

So what's the big thing about Chaldea. It is that all answers were
boastfully coming from Chaldea but failed, it fell, and the prophecies
guaranteed replacement. Right now it is Zionism supported by the USA;
it is seen as the New Jerusalem, and so as the New Chaldea. But as
before, everyone wants to be New Chaldea. Hitites attacked Canaan,
Egypt attacked Canaan, Israel took Canaan, Philistines next to Canaan
said it was theirs. Eventually Babylon rose up as CHaldea again, but
to prove it they went to take Canaan (Jerusalem). Jerusalem was
founded by Shem (Melchizedek according to Jews) and thus father of
Arpaxad the father of Chaldea. Therefore his city Salem was just
waiting and waiting and waiting until Canaan died from self-disasters
assuming Salem would just spred out across Canaan then. Didnt happen,
and Moses had Joshua take care of that.

So who built Ur, was it Shem, was it Arpaxad since he is the FATHER.
The answer is clear by the suicide of Ur in 2029 BC carbon dated as
2030 BC. Chaldea was founded by Damuzi and Damuzi is the planet Mars.
The calendar is 360-day with ten years being called sars which
eventually means kings. Damuzi was the Leader of the calendar year.
Simple to find this as 780-day Mars, 13 years of 360 days is 6 orbits.
This also fits in with 52 year Mars, a known calendar, 260 days less
than 52 egyptian years, and 13 leap days. So decades of Mars, 13x 10
year decades and 10x 13 year Mars is 130 years. Peleg was born 100
years after the Flood and would be 30 if he built it. Ur commits mass
suicide the year after he dies, so it is more probable he founded Ur
than Arpaxad the great grand father of Peleg. (several world alendars
verifiy this with 2269 BC as Peleg's birth and 2239 BC as foundation
of Ur). Thus when text says the founder of Ur named Mesanipada created
kingship by making his son Aanipada king for 80 years, it means Peleg
is the founder of Ur (at 30 in 2239 BC), had a son Reu that year as
reason to go start his own house and own city. And then at 62 made his
32 year old son the king of all his house (in 2207 BC). Chronology
from 747 BC changes this thinking that Peleg died 339 years old in
2207 BC leaving his son as king. The truth is Peleg died not starting
the 177 years of kings, but rather the kings failed and ended when
Peleg died (2030 BC). The population was 30,000 when he died, so thus
it was 30,000 at the end of 177 years of kings (2207-2030 BC), not
30,000 when kingship started in 2207 BC over a mere large household of
relatives and servants and workers.
The fact that Babylon thinks in 747 BC that Peleg Mesanipada was 339
years old at death, is not a lie. If he was 239 years old and born 100
years after the Flood, then he did die in year 339. Also the fact that
they think Reu Aanipad became king at Peleg Mesanipada's death implies
that Reu Aanipada was alive at Peleg's death.... NeoBabylon would say
Reu was 209 (in 2207 BC when he became king for 130 years) to the die
at same age of his father (339); but though he was 209 at his father's
death in 2030 BC, his kingship was when he was 32. King means
declaring someone an elder in position who is young and not an elder
in reality. The kinglist mocks this saying who is king who is not.
Let's make every man a king). It is here that city elders was formed
first in history, 163 years after the Flood.

When Peleg Mesanipada died, he was no longer a living founding father
of the city for 177 years. Instead his son Reu Aanipada replaced that
position. But this was not his the start of his 80-year kingship that
ended 97 years earlier. So where Babylon says his rule of 80 years
started in 2207 BC when Peleg died and Reu took over, instead Reu took
over when his father died in 2030 BC, and there was no sole king, only
a body for the 2nd dynasty. This is why no one can establish the 2nd
dynasty.

When and who built the ziggurat? Was it Ur-Nammu. No it wasnt. First
know that Isan started a kingship by IbbiSin putting his servant
IshbiErra on a throne to help asist Ur rebuild which had been
destroyed by Hittites. But wait, this is a conclusion based on
IbbiSini ruling the last 24 years of 3rd dynasty Ur. And so the known
fall as 2029 BC is assumed to be 3rd dynasty. Instead, IbbiSin had
been born in 2060 BC when Nineveh was founded the same year Marudk
Temple was built at Babel. so When Ur fell he was 30 years old
becoming a king, an elder, one of all the elders who stayed in Ur
despite the mass suicide of 1st dynasty Ur. Thus he was 43 when he put
IshbiErra in Isan in 2017 BC. WE know this on the premise that 2029 BC
cannot be the fall of 3rd dynasty if its the fall of 1st dynasty
having been founded in 2207 BC proven by calendar and chronologies
(many of them). Thus when did Ur Nammu rule. If it was not 108 years
before 2029 BC. The answer is competition. Marduk temple in all
chronologies proves it honors Marduk Street in 2009 BC for the 52 year
calendar. Thus people were going to Babel, to help build that Street,
to go celebrat, and to stay there. So UrNammu began that year and the
108 years is confirmed by AmarSin being AmarPal, who started rule when
Abram left Ur in 1943 BC, and then further confirmed by the fall in
1900 BC founding India on the Hindus River. and regarded as a 1200
year Venus calendar back to The Flood (3102-3101 BC), and to their Era
700 BC. So did he build it, or just enlarge it. He is known only to
have enlarged it. In fact, there is always an association of a tower
or pyramid as built for The Flood. So Seder Olam saying the Flood was
2105 BC may very well truly or really be that ziggurat. Since Meskiag-
Nannar began rule in 2127 BC, it is his 23rd year. This is interesting
since it is Hamurabi's 23rd year that he creates a new Marduk calendar
in Adams year 2256, Noahs year 1200, being 600 after Flood, at the
death of Narmer (Narmerod /Nimrod) in Abydos Egypt at age 500 (our
1770 BC). The pyramid in the 23rd year of MeskiagNannar (2105 BC) may
easily then be confused with the Great Pyramid as the tower in 1770 BC
and both equated as the tower of Confusion (babel). The building of
the great pyramid in 2170 BC failed precession of the star 3 times 92
years intended to compare centuries (100 years), thus the 3rd chamber
we call KINGS fails in 1894 BC, another reason it is called the tower
of Babel by moslems who say Nimrod lived 500 years.
When records say a man's life ruled that long, many times it means
their life measured that long; they are a king of longevity and so
regarded as knowing everything even when they know sh.t.

So who will be the next Chaldea, the new Chaldea. Will it be Israel in
Jerusalem, Iraq in Jerusalem, Palestinian Philistines in Israel, is it
New Delhi, New Amsterdam, the New World (America). It is my christ and
Lord and king who is wife of Jesus in heaven. That is the new city
because no one has destroyed her in 104 years (537-443 BC is 1914-2008
AD). She rules and will rule now before the asteroid strike this
autumn. I am a soldier to protect her as Mordecai has, I am John the
Baptizer who brings her to Jesus in heaven. New Jerusalem's wall
running between my hand and my new government, while escorting that
bride Esther to her king Xerxes, that wall also stand tall between the
city's Watchtower and its temple because the Watchtower will prove to
be like Judas killing her, and like Peter saying you dont have to die.
My fate is like John's because I will die before the bride, and i will
not be like Judas who dies after the bride, hanging himself. Know this
that the bride ascends to heaven to be complete so she can come down
for 40 days as the new city and save her children telling them to go
to the mountains within 7 days after the asteroid strikes. The enemy
online produced the 11 lunar dates of Artaxerxes like Satan trying to
destroy the fact that Jesus and the bride both come in the 70 weeks
prophecy. But Satan did not realize that Jehovah having showed me the
Zoroastrian calendar shift of 5 days would easily be inspired by
Jehovah's spirit to see this is the proof that Artaxerxes did rule 51
years (a shift of 9 years x365 less 5 days in dates). This is the
year, if the bride doesnt prepare to ride her a.s into the New City
like Jesus did, no one will live, no human will be alive in 2010.

If I have to be a soldier, then like Moses perhaps i will summon the
courage to tell Obama my people will come and gather to worship
Jehovah. This is why he froze the Dutch ships to give New Amsterdam to
Britain 2300 years after Daniel died to enforce contract agreemtn
between God and nation that this land will worship Jehovah as Jehovah
wants to be worshipped or as he said thru Darius in the 18th year of
the New City (1914-1931 AD as in 537-520 BC), let any king who touches
that temple or stops its completion contend with the God who has put
his name on it, that God will destroy those kingsfor interfering with
the plan to save all humans present, future, and past to live upon the
Earth. Amen

ELIJAH
I have dreamed when I was 9 that I would face the kings and the
President that they will heed Jehovah because the end is here.