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With a CORRUPT WHITEHOUSE controlling the CIA/NSA with "Defense Appropriated" unaccounted Billion$$$...  YES IMPEACHMENT, A DANGEROUS ROAD FOR ALL WHO FIGHT BUSH, IS THE ONLY HOPE FOR AMERICA AND DEMOCRACY== GOP: the war-profiteering american TREASON party - controlled by the Bush Crime Family

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robin hood - 29 Dec 2005 02:08 GMT
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-garbus/impeachment-is-now-real_b_12972.html

12.28.2005

Impeachment is Now Real

By Martin Garbus

An hour after the New York Times described Bush's illegal
surveillance program, I wrote on the Huffington Post that Bush had
committed a crime, a "High Crime," and should be impeached.

Was there then enough evidence to justify the beginning of an attempt
to impeach the President?

No.

Did the President have a good defense that he relied on Gonzalez,
Ashcroft and the best lawyers in the country (in the Solicitor
General's and Department of Justice's offices)?

Yes.

Would any significant number of Americans of Congressmen then support
such a process?

No.

Given all that, would the turmoil and consequential turmoil have
justified the start of that brutal process?

No.

But that has all changed.

Because we shall soon see the consequences of those warrantless
searches, the consequences of the government's five years of secrecy,
and even the citizens of the "Red States" will be outraged.

Firstly, the warrantless taps will infect hundreds of "terrorist" and
criminal cases throughout the country.

Not only future cases, but past and present cases, even if there were
convictions or plea bargains after the survellance started.

The defendants in "terrorist" and other infected criminal cases, the
Court must find, must get access to everything, or very close to
everything to make sure they were never improperly surveilled.

The Bush Administration, in these cases will refuse, as did the Nixon
administration, to divulge information on national security grounds.

Many alleged critical cases must then be dismissed.

It will include Organized Crime and drug cases.

The entire criminal process will be brought to a standstill.

Cases that should take six months to a year, will take three times as
long, as motions go up and down the appellate ladder -- as federal
judges trial disagree with each other.

Appellate Courts will disagree on issues so novel and so important that
the Supreme Court will look at them.

Secondly, there will be an endless amounts of civil suits, that we can
see will result in substantial damage awards.

Commentators claimed there cannot be suits because no one has standing
to challenge the surveillance.

They are wrong.

They do not remember the history of the Palmer Raids in the 1920's,
the surveillance in the Sixties and Seventies.

The future will show both the enormous information the new technology
has gathered but also the dishonest minimization of the extent of the
surveillance.

That minimization is standard operating procedure for governments,
whether they be run by Democrats or Republicans.

Thirdly, and most importantly, it is safe to preduct there will be
coverups.

This administration is not known for its candor.

The coverup starts by trying to get away with the vauge and meaningless
defenses.

Both Nixon and Clinton tried that.

When that doesn't work, the coverup will be based on a foundation of
small lies.

Both Nixon and Clinton tried that.

We do not yet know what the FISA judges already fear -- that they have
been not just ignored by the executive but misused.

The public shall also learn about the FISA judges' misuse of the FISA
courts and their warrants.

The courts were created to permit eavesdropping and electronic
surveillance, not physical break-ins.

But the facts will show that the Bush administration, with the
knowledge, and at times, the consent of, the FISA judges, conducted
illegal physical break-ins - break-ins that to this day, the involved
person, is unaware of.

Were the results of these "terrorist" break-ins then given to criminal
authorities to start unrelated prosecutions?

Of course.

The American public will also learn what this Administration has thus
far successfully hidden.

When Bush came into office, he signed an Exeutive Order making all of
his, and his father's, papers privileged.

The order, extending 12 years out, also says if the President is
incapacitated, then a third person can execute the privilege.

This means anybody -- a wife, a family lawyer, a child.

The order also says the Vice President's papers are privileged.

It is an extraordinary Executive Order -- this has never been anything
like this.

No one ever suggested a Vice President has executive privilege.

If we do not find out what they are hiding, we will see witholding on a
scale never before seen.

He will no longer be able to use 9/11 and the war on terror as an
excuse.

It will confirm the fact that illegality and secrecy existed long
before 9/11, that it started as soon as Bush-Cheney-Rumsfield got into
office.

It will show deliberate attempts to avoid any judicial or legislative
oversight of the illegal use of executive privilege.

Impeachment procedures will come not because of wrongdoing but because
of the discovery of lies.

Both Nixon and Clinton faced impeachments because they lied.

It was inconceivable before the Nixon and Clinton impeachment
procedures began that there could be, or would be a country or Senate
that would be responsive to it.

In the Nixon case, it spiraled from a petty break-in -- in Clinton's
case from a petty sexual act.

But what Bush has done, and will do, to protect himself is not petty.

It goes to the heart of the government.

He already has a history of misleading the public on the searches
conducted thus far.

As he and his colleagues seek to minimize the vast amount of data
collection, the lies will necessarily expand to cover the wrongdoing.

Bush can be brought down.
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Harry
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Grey Satterfield - 29 Dec 2005 14:21 GMT
On 12/28/05 8:08 PM, in article
1135822122.724856.150350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "robin hood"
<robinhoodzorro@hotmail.com> wrote:

> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/martin-garbus/impeachment-is-now-real_b_12972.ht
> ml
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
> surveillance program, I wrote on the Huffington Post that Bush had
> committed a crime, a "High Crime," and should be impeached.

[rest of wishful thinking filled piece snipped.]

Bush will NEVER be impeached over the NSA eavesdropping dispute.  Why?
Because the American people agree with Bush:

"Sixty-four percent (64%) of Americans believe the National Security Agency
(NSA) should be allowed to intercept telephone conversations between
terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United
States. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that just 23% disagree.

"Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Americans say they are following the NSA story
somewhat or very closely.

"Just 26% believe President Bush is the first to authorize a program like
the one currently in the news. Forty-eight percent (48%) say he is not while
26% are not sure."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2005/NSA.htm

Grey Satterfield
John P. Mullen - 29 Dec 2005 15:51 GMT
> On 12/28/05 8:08 PM, in article
> 1135822122.724856.150350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "robin hood"
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> terrorism suspects in other countries and people living in the United
> States. A Rasmussen Reports survey found that just 23% disagree.

Interesting, but not germane, since this is not what happened.

> "Sixty-eight percent (68%) of Americans say they are following the NSA story
> somewhat or very closely.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> Grey Satterfield

Public ignorance of a crime is no defense.

It is unlikely that anyone will impeach da Shrub as long as the
alternative is Cheney.  However, if that impediment is removed, as it
was with Nixon, anything can happen.  If da Shrub bottoms out, he might
even be impeached by the Republicans as a way to rid themselves of a
failed leader.

However, one cannot impeach a President unless he commits a crime and
this NSA bit might just be the thing that is needed.  Kinda ironic,
since it was a similar thing that got Nixon in hot water.

John Mullen
Jack Linthicum - 29 Dec 2005 16:04 GMT
> > On 12/28/05 8:08 PM, in article
> > 1135822122.724856.150350@o13g2000cwo.googlegroups.com, "robin hood"
[quoted text clipped - 49 lines]
>
> John Mullen

And, as I said in another similar thread, UBI had some 44% approval and
Zogby 49%, with no statement as to when the polls were taken. If after
the revelation of total data-mining all of the U.S. traffic it would be
significant, if before only snap response, plus Bush, minus Bush.

The people who see this as an impeachable offense will either take
Cheney first and get a palatable Vice President to do Gerry Ford while
they saw Bush's limb off, or do them both as a double-header. That VP
will have an oath to not pardon either, I'm sure. It will probably be
2007 before this gets under way, we have Tom Delay, Jack Abramoff and
the pieces of that puzzle to solve before.
 
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