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History Forum / General / British History / January 2006Re: "Canadian Liberals Face Loss After 12 Years In Power"
Why is Alberta so politically different from many other parts of Canada? DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas > Why is Alberta so politically different from many other parts of Canada? Its the Canadian equivalent of Texas. Oil, cattle, wheat. They got charged a premium to pass their commodities east and paid full freight on the manufactured goods the National Policy required they buy from Ontario and Quebec instead of importing things from the US. The last straw was the 1970's National Energy Policy which demanded they sell their oil at below then market price, again to Ontario and Quebec. IBM Fascinating! So they have felt the Yoke of Socialism and been repelled by it. Thank you kindly. They sound like Good, Smart, Hardworking People there. Alberta is where I want to go on my next trip to Canada. What are the best things to do and to see in Alberta? DSH >> Why is Alberta so politically different from many other parts of Canada? > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > IBM >Fascinating! > >So they have felt the Yoke of Socialism and been repelled by it. > >Thank you kindly. His post is somewhat biased. Google "crow rates." for a counter-example. Peter Skelton >>Fascinating! >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > His post is somewhat biased. Google "crow rates." for a > counter-example. Which they had to fight tooth and nail to prevent Ottawa from rescinding. This same Ottawa which requires east coast ports to pay their own way and then subsidises winter operation of the St Lawrence Seaway. IBM Edmonton Mall to see Canada's largest fleet of submarines. Calgary Stampede in July. And practise saying: "Yeeeee hawwwwwwwwwwww"!!! - n. > Fascinating! > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> IBM The bitching has already started on both sides from theTory side ,...."I can'nt believe those idiots in (insert ridings here) voted that Lib S.O.B. back in!" And then the Grits , .."What kind of moron would vote for a Harper goverment!" and from the far left and right it gets worse. Do you really want to know who won last night ? We all did!! It was an election we brought in a new govenment last night and we did with a pencil and a small sheet of paper. No tanks, no gunfire in the street. No body died. Hurrah For The Canadians! Now that the Federal Election is over, Americans have a perfect right to comment and say: Well Done! Especially those folks in Alberta. I have a hunch Stephen Miller will get an invitation to Washington in the not too distant future and he will get some things he has been asking for. He may even get an invitation to visit the President at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, something Paul Martin never got -- and more goodies for Canadians from the U.S. Stay Tuned! D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor > Hurrah For The Canadians! > [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Vires et Honor Who's Stephen Miller? Jim On 1/24/06 12:17 PM, in article CbuBf.312$737.1553@eagle.america.net, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote: > Hurrah For The Canadians! > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > Crawford, Texas, something Paul Martin never got -- and more goodies for > Canadians from the U.S. Toward the end of the campaign, as the Liberal candidate, Martin, became more and more desperate, he accused his Conservative opponent, Harper of being an "American-style" neoconservative with a hidden agenda at odds with Canadians. It looks like there was a swing of roughly 30 seats from the Liberal to the Conservative side in the Parliament: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/01/24/AR2006012400 359.html Grey Satterfield > Why is Alberta so politically different from many other parts of Canada? It isn't as "different" as B.C. That said, any difference is largely due to origins in its settlement pattern. Large portions of Alberta (then still part of the North-West Territories) became available for settlement as the frontier in the U.S. closed in the late 19th C. and just when the newly-elected Liberal government of Wilfred Laurier changed immigration policy from one of explicit preference for people from the U.K. to one more based on immigrants' suitability to the sort of work they would have to do when they got here. It attracted large numbers of people from the Steppes, but also a fair number of folks from both cowboy culture in the U.S. and even from the Eastern Seaboard.  SignatureAndrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) Wonderful! Canadian Westerners! I might learn to love 'em. They seem more like Real Americans -- of the Heartland and West. Harper and Bush might just hit it off well too. DSH >> Why is Alberta so politically different from many other parts of Canada? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Steppes, but also a fair number of folks from both cowboy culture in the > U.S. and even from the Eastern Seaboard. Thoughtful And Provocative. DSH ------------------------------------------------- "Canada 2006" "Canadian politics say something important about the U.S. relationship with Canada, and they will likely have two important effects on American policy-making. 1) This election proved first of all that Canadians are not anti-American enough to re-elect a government perceived as corrupt. With their party suffering from scandals and its future hanging in the balance, Canada's ruling Liberal Party aggressively played the anti-American card that has previously worked well for endangered leaders in France and Germany. In one late ad for Prime Minister Paul Martin (L), a female voice stated that a Conservative victory "will put a smile on George W. Bush's face," and added, "At least someone will be happy." Another ad hinted darkly that right-wing groups in the U.S. funded Conservative Party leader Stephen Harper's rise to power. 2) The Conservative Party's failure to secure an absolute majority in Parliament was disappointing considering the negative campaigning by and scandals of the Liberals. It also shows that Canadians are considerably to the left of their American neighbors. 3) The victory by Harper yesterday will have two major ramifications for Americans: First, it will change Canada's famously loose asylum and immigration policies. Second, it makes possible cooperation with the U.S. on missile defense, something Martin had refused. 4) The U.S. is becoming rather lonely in this hemisphere, now that Bolivia has joined the list of Latin American countries electing leftist regimes. It always helps to have an ally in the region, and for the moment, there are at least Mexico, Colombia, and Canada." Sincerely, Robert D. Novak > Thoughtful And Provocative. > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > that right-wing groups in the U.S. funded Conservative Party leader > Stephen Harper's rise to power. The negative ads were just too cynical to be bought by any but the most credulous. I suppose Mr. Bush might be happy with Mr. Harper being able to form a government, but he has to stand in line behind at least 5,370,903 Canadians who voted Conservative (36.3% of the popular vote) and a few who might have voted for others knowing that the Conservatives would likely have the largest plurality of seats in the House. > 2) The Conservative Party's failure to secure an absolute majority in > Parliament was disappointing considering the negative campaigning by and > scandals of the Liberals. It also shows that Canadians are considerably > to the left of their American neighbors. Not so much left as just somewhat different. > 3) The victory by Harper yesterday will have two major ramifications for > Americans: First, it will change Canada's famously loose asylum and > immigration policies. This will be difficult, if they do not want to lose the support they have recently built in immigrant communities. That support will be crucial to winning an eventual majority (Watch for more electoral action with the budget or main estimates in 2008; these would set the stage for elections in either the spring or summer of that year. The Liberals will be in disarray for a while and Harper will likely bide his time.) > Second, it makes possible cooperation with the U.S. on missile defense, > something Martin had refused. Harper will have to box clever with the opposition, since the BQ and NDP solidly oppose NMD, as do significant numbers among the Liberals. However, it's not something that will cause the fall of a ministry commanding only a minority in the House, unless they plan on losing. Same goes for Kyoto. > 4) The U.S. is becoming rather lonely in this hemisphere, now > that Bolivia has joined the list of Latin American countries electing > leftist regimes. It always helps to have an ally in the region, and for > the > moment, there are at least Mexico, Colombia, and Canada." One can be an ally of the U.S. while not necessarily having a government located in the same part of the political spectrum, e.g. the Blair ministryin the U.K. Conversely, one can wear the relationship thin even when you are close together on that spectrum, e.g. LBJ and Mike Pearson. SignatureAndrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) > Thoughtful And Provocative. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > 1) This election proved first of all that Canadians are not anti-American > enough to re-elect a government perceived as corrupt. I really hate to hurt your feelings but the U.S. really wasn't on the radar in this election. > With their party suffering from scandals and its future hanging in the > balance, Canada's ruling Liberal Party aggressively played the > anti-American card that has previously worked well for endangered leaders > in France and Germany. > In one late ad for Prime Minister Paul Martin (L), a female voice stated > that a Conservative victory "will put a smile on George W. Bush's face," > and added, "At least someone will be happy." Another ad hinted darkly > that right-wing groups in the U.S. funded Conservative Party leader > Stephen Harper's rise to power. Sorry. I was deluged by ads and didn't see that first one and only heard brief mention of the second. Didn't make much of an impression I guess. Some of the ads were controversial. Both of these were lies and were recognized and rejected as such, not because of any Canadian popular shift towards the U.S. > 2) The Conservative Party's failure to secure an absolute majority in > Parliament was disappointing considering the negative campaigning by and > scandals of the Liberals. It also shows that Canadians are considerably > to the left of their American neighbors. Duh ... > 3) The victory by Harper yesterday will have two major ramifications for > Americans: First, it will change Canada's famously loose asylum and > immigration policies. Don't count on it. The Conservatives didn't get a single seat in Montreal, Toronto or Vancouver, where there are high concentrations of immigrants. They will be working hard to fix this for next time around. > Second, it makes possible cooperation with the U.S. on missile defense, > something Martin had refused. Don't count on it. The Liberal policy on this was popular. The Conservatives didn't campaign on anything different. > 4) The U.S. is becoming rather lonely in this hemisphere, now > that Bolivia has joined the list of Latin American countries electing > leftist regimes. It always helps to have an ally in the region, and for > the > moment, there are at least Mexico, Colombia, and Canada." Ya well, don't be surprised if Harper, just as much of Martin, takes your thieving government to task over the softwood lumber issue. The Conservatives will start out looking for legislation and programmes on which it can obtain a broad consensus in Parliament. Nothing but nothing burns up Canadians as much as this one. > Sincerely, > > Robert D. Novak G'nite Mr. Novak. G'nite Mr. Hines. Jim >> Thoughtful And Provocative. >> [quoted text clipped - 70 lines] > > Jim I agree with this poste! ... :) - nilita On 1/24/06 3:11 PM, in article PJwBf.14337$ve.256345@news20.bellglobal.com, >> Thoughtful And Provocative. >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > I really hate to hurt your feelings but the U.S. really wasn't on the radar > in this election. I agree -- sort of. What the election actually proved was that there were not enough Canadian voters who were anti-American enough to overcome their decision to depose the Liberal government. That Canadians are naturally anti-American to one degree or another is a fact of life. This is mostly caused by Canadians' national identity problem, I think. Grey Satterfield > On 1/24/06 3:11 PM, in article > PJwBf.14337$ve.256345@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > anti-American to one degree or another is a fact of life. This is mostly > caused by Canadians' national identity problem, I think. Sweet Jesus help me. Let me try this again. The U.S. and our relations with it were not election issues. Period. You might like to think that we are preoccupied with you folks down there. But we ain't. We have enough Made-in-Canada sh.t to worry about thanks very much. Jim On 1/24/06 4:22 PM, in article KMxBf.14982$ve.263622@news20.bellglobal.com, >> On 1/24/06 3:11 PM, in article >> PJwBf.14337$ve.256345@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > folks down there. But we ain't. We have enough Made-in-Canada sh.t to > worry about thanks very much. Don't be so defensive. That's what I was trying to say: Canadian voters were not willing to let Martin talk them into voting for him as an anti-American gesture. Martin raised the issue, not me nor, so far as I know, any other American. It really must be that national identity thing. :>) Grey Satterfield Of COURSE it's that LACK of a National Identity thing. Any fool can see that. Relations with the U.S were DEFINITELY an issue -- Martin tried to demagogue on it and came a cropper. DSH > On 1/24/06 4:22 PM, in article > KMxBf.14982$ve.263622@news20.bellglobal.com, >> Let me try this again. The U.S. and our relations with it were not >> election issues. Period. You might like to think that we are [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Grey Satterfield >> On 1/24/06 4:22 PM, in article >> KMxBf.14982$ve.263622@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> thing. >> :>) > Of COURSE it's that LACK of a National Identity thing. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > demagogue > on it and came a cropper. Sorry Grey. I'm afraid I let that old fool get my goat. Doesn't happen very often, thankfully. Jim >>>On 1/24/06 4:22 PM, in article >>>KMxBf.14982$ve.263622@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Jim [QUOTE] BLAINE, Wash. (CP) - American authorities closed the border crossing to British Columbia on Tuesday after an exchange of gunfire on the U.S. side between border guards, police and two murder suspects from California who were eventually apprehended. [....] Lieut. Mark Gagan of the Richmond, Calif., police department said because both men were from different countries, Pakistan and Mexico, there were concerns they would leave the United States. [....] Shore refused to say Tuesday night how many Canadian border agents left their posts because of the perceived danger. She said less than four of the more than 20 British Columbia border crossings were involved. "A few officers exercised their right to refuse to work because of what they perceived as imminent danger," Shore said in a telephone interview. Under the labour code, "any worker has the right to refuse to work if they feel they are in imminent danger." [....] [See] http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060125/ca_pr_on_na/border_shutdown;_ylt=Au6lEzv t8IRraTGbeR4vYeh19L4F;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OWI1ZGNqBHNlYwM3Mzc- [UNQUOTE] On 1/25/06 3:47 AM, in article 43D7494A.108@fidalgo.net, "D. Patterson" <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote: > [QUOTE] > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > [UNQUOTE] Well, what is the use of having one of those good union jobs if you might get shot at? :>) Grey Satterfield On 1/24/06 7:09 PM, in article TcABf.8262$ft2.140264@news20.bellglobal.com, >>> On 1/24/06 4:22 PM, in article >>> KMxBf.14982$ve.263622@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > Sorry Grey. I'm afraid I let that old fool get my goat. Doesn't happen > very often, thankfully. De nada. As I have confessed before, I think that Spencer is entertaining much of the time but his occasional outbursts of obnoxiousness can be hard to take. I try to write such episodes off to his having tried to hard to "win," whatever that means on Usenet. Grey Satterfield >On 1/24/06 4:22 PM, in article KMxBf.14982$ve.263622@news20.bellglobal.com, > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] >anti-American gesture. Martin raised the issue, not me nor, so far as I >know, any other American. It really must be that national identity thing. Martin did not raise that issue. He raised the possiblity of Harper's being excessively pro-American. Anti-Americanism, for the only time I can remember, was not an issue this time around. Peter Skelton > On 1/24/06 4:22 PM, in article > KMxBf.14982$ve.263622@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > know, any other American. It really must be that national identity thing. > :>) About that national identity thingy, Grey? I know that *I* among kadzillions of canuckistanians make sure we put a maple leaf flag emblem on our luggage and packsacks when we travel so as not to be mistaken for an American. I wonder why *that* is? ..%) - nilita, about her sexuality *and* national identity ...%) - nilita Precisely! Canadians can only define themselves as "We are NOT Americans" -- but cannot establish a National Identity of their OWN. DSH > About that national identity thingy, Grey? I know that *I* among > kadzillions of canuckistanians make sure we put a maple leaf flag emblem [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - nilita We carry maple leafs, we're nice, we drink beer, our taxi drivers are courteous, we say "eh", we get beaver fever, I could go on and on and on ... and that's what makes us unlike you! So Hines, what makes *you* unlike canuckistanians, eh? Let's see what you say about *your* national identity. - nilita > Precisely! > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> - nilita Canadians get "Beaver Feaver"... Hilarious! Hell, American teen-agers, et al., get "Beaver Fever" too -- and its absolutely endemic in Los Angeles. DSH > Canadians get "Beaver Feaver"... > > Hilarious! > > Hell, American teen-agers, et al., get "Beaver Fever" too -- and its > absolutely endemic in Los Angeles. Mr. Hines get your head out of the gutter. Wrong beaver. :-) Jim On 1/24/06 9:47 PM, in article SxCBf.16962$ve.294540@news20.bellglobal.com, >> Canadians get "Beaver Feaver"... >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Mr. Hines get your head out of the gutter. Wrong beaver. :-) I must be getting old because I had not even thought of it "that way" until the double entendres started flying. Grey Satterfield So everybody who is not an American wears a maple leaf? His almighty pomposity has spoken. Peter >Precisely! > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >> - nilita Stephen Harper, who is only 46, also seems to have an attractive blonde wife and two good-looking kids. That certainly is not going to hurt him. DSH >Stephen Harper, who is only 46, also seems to have an attractive blonde wife >and two good-looking kids. > >That certainly is not going to hurt him. Now if you were Canadian, you'd be certain he has the wife and kids. What is it about you folks, are you so jaded with your politicos that you can't believe any more? Peter Skelton >>Stephen Harper, who is only 46, also seems to have an attractive blonde >>wife [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > kids. What is it about you folks, are you so jaded with your > politicos that you can't believe any more? One thing about the Canadian vs. the American press is that the Canadian newshounds leave the spouses and children of politicians alone, allowing them their privacy. The American press have a prurient interest in the private lives of politicians which makes it particularly hard on the kids. - nilita On 1/24/06 7:17 PM, in article dmABf.340$737.1802@eagle.america.net, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote: > Stephen Harper, who is only 46, also seems to have an attractive blonde wife > and two good-looking kids. > > That certainly is not going to hurt him. He says that he is a boring guy but, based on the snippet of his victory speech I saw, he is anything but. Grey Satterfield On 1/24/06 7:10 PM, in article _dABf.135510$km.66618@edtnps89, "La N" <nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com> wrote: >> On 1/24/06 4:22 PM, in article >> KMxBf.14982$ve.263622@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > > - nilita, about her sexuality *and* national identity ...%) Oh, yeah, the Canadian national identity thing says as much about Americans, ugly and otherwise, as it does about Canuckistanians. There are a lot of us and we can, admittedly, be hard to take. Grey Satterfield >>On 1/24/06 4:22 PM, in article >>KMxBf.14982$ve.263622@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > - nilita Canadian irresponsibility, appeasement, fawning for popularity. >>>On 1/24/06 4:22 PM, in article >>>KMxBf.14982$ve.263622@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > Canadian irresponsibility, appeasement, fawning for popularity. And if I travelled the world with an American flag on my luggage, you'd think I was *wonderful*. btw, since I, like many many Canadians, live near the American border, it is common to see lapel pins and stickers in our shops of the American and Canadian flags crossing each other - a symbol of closeness and friendship. - nilita - So, why don't you put one of THOSE on your luggage -- and on your lapel? DSH > btw, since I, like many many Canadians, live near the American border, it > is common to see lapel pins and stickers in our shops of the American and > Canadian flags crossing each other - a symbol of closeness and friendship. > > - nilita I *have* at times, when I've helped in fund raising for U.S. disaster victims (such as Katrina, 9/11 WTC incident, etc.) As have a lot of us. So, when will you all wear the crossed flags pins, eh? Or are you just going to keep complaining and whining and putting down canada and canadians. - nilita > So, why don't you put one of THOSE on your luggage -- and on your lapel? > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> - nilita I would start wearing a crossed flags pin right after Canada suffers a devastating terrorist attack, with great loss of life, as the United States did on 9/11 -- and decided to get serious about the Global Islamofascist Threat. Canadian Border Guards fleeing their posts in panic... Appalling! DSH Exitus Acta Probat >I would start wearing a crossed flags pin right after Canada suffers a >devastating terrorist attack, with great loss of life, as the United States [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Exitus Acta Probat Cry me a river, and be prepared to re-enter my killfile. - nilita >I would start wearing a crossed flags pin right after Canada suffers a >devastating terrorist attack, with great loss of life, as the United States [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Appalling! And completely untrue. Maybe this sort of unjustified shot is fun to take. Let me try: It was an appaling attack. Now tell us which country was too chicken-sh.t to let it's air traffic land while it's president cowered in terror and which took the planes in? Not much fun really. Maybe I lack your unique combination of ingnorance and arrogance nicely leavened by stupidity. Incidentally, you are aware that the terrorist threat is fundamentally nationalistic, not religious, aren't you? Peter Skelton :And completely untrue. Maybe this sort of unjustified shot is fun :to take. Let me try: : :It was an appaling attack. Now tell us which country was too :chicken-sh.t to let it's air traffic land while it's president :cowered in terror and which took the planes in? We let all sorts of planes land. Had airports full of them. :Not much fun really. Maybe I lack your unique combination of :ingnorance and arrogance nicely leavened by stupidity. I don't think that's your problem. :Incidentally, you are aware that the terrorist threat is :fundamentally nationalistic, not religious, aren't you? You are aware that you're wrong, aren't you? Signature"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar territory." --G. Behn >I would start wearing a crossed flags pin right after Canada suffers a >devastating terrorist attack, with great loss of life, as the United States [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Appalling! Please. Just STFU, drama queen. -- AUK Registrar Providing clues to the cluless since time began > Wonderful! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Harper and Bush might just hit it off well too. TMO also occasionally gets all gushy about them -- on second thought, mebbe not gushy, but he certainly has found a fair amount of common ground with them. SignatureAndrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) >>> Why is Alberta so politically different from many other parts of Canada? >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> Steppes, but also a fair number of folks from both cowboy culture in the >> U.S. and even from the Eastern Seaboard. > Wonderful! > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Harper and Bush might just hit it off well too. Oomph. Western Canadians are no more "Real Americans" than Canadian Eastern city-dwellers. In fact, the appellation is more likely to get you smacked by the former than the latter. Jim On 1/24/06 2:58 PM, in article AxwBf.14203$ve.255359@news20.bellglobal.com, >>>> Why is Alberta so politically different from many other parts of Canada? >>> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > city-dwellers. In fact, the appellation is more likely to get you smacked > by the former than the latter. Indeed, it would probably be wiser to question a Canuckistanian's parentage than to accuse him of being "American." :>) Grey Satterfield >On 1/24/06 2:58 PM, in article AxwBf.14203$ve.255359@news20.bellglobal.com, > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >Indeed, it would probably be wiser to question a Canuckistanian's parentage >than to accuse him of being "American." :>) You can get 2 4 1 by suggesting American parentage. (But American parentage of the UEL type is highly prized.) Peter Skelton On 1/24/06 3:57 PM, in article jj8dt1lq0l3mjr8f4b13hdjcljogq820uj@4ax.com, >> On 1/24/06 2:58 PM, in article AxwBf.14203$ve.255359@news20.bellglobal.com, >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >> > You can get 2 4 1 by suggesting American parentage. I can't imagine that anyone would ever be so gauche. Grey Satterfield >On 1/24/06 3:57 PM, in article jj8dt1lq0l3mjr8f4b13hdjcljogq820uj@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >I can't imagine that anyone would ever be so gauche. That, sir, is because you have lead a sheltered life. Peter Skelton > On 1/24/06 2:58 PM, in article > AxwBf.14203$ve.255359@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > parentage > than to accuse him of being "American." :>) Hehe. Probably not. :-) Jim > On 1/24/06 2:58 PM, in article > AxwBf.14203$ve.255359@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > parentage > than to accuse him of being "American." :>) "Canuckistani's parentage," if you please and, from my point of view, the accusation of our being "American" sticks. Our relationship to the U.S. in many ways is like that of Austria to Germany. Both Canada and the U.S. are part of a greater America, and both have wider variations within their populations than between them. SignatureAndrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) > > On 1/24/06 2:58 PM, in article > > AxwBf.14203$ve.255359@news20.bellglobal.com, SNIPPAGE > "Canuckistani's parentage," if you please and, from my point of view, the > accusation of our being "American" sticks. Our relationship to the U.S. in > many ways is like that of Austria to Germany. Both Canada and the U.S. are > part of a greater America, and both have wider variations within their > populations than between them. Good analogy. SignatureJim McLaughlin Reply address is deliberately munged. If you really need to reply directly, try: jimdotmclaughlinatcomcastdotcom And you know it is a dotnet not a dotcom address. >> > On 1/24/06 2:58 PM, in article >> > AxwBf.14203$ve.255359@news20.bellglobal.com, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Good analogy. Anschluss, however, is unlikely to be welcomed. Cheers, dba "Brian Allardice" <dba@extraneous.uniserve.com> wrote : SNIPS > Anschluss, however, is unlikely to be >welcomed. > > Cheers, > dba SNIPS > Anschluss, however, is unlikely to be welcomed. > > Cheers, > dba I will admit watching Hines actually learning something as opposed to pontificating upon my country 's fobiles and faults both real and imagined is entertaining. However I 'm still just a little miffed at his comment that Canadians are pussies. I suspect he has'nt yet heard the tale of the Canadian medic in Afganistan. BTW does any one know if theres even talk of a medal for this guy yet? > I will admit watching Hines actually learning something as opposed to > pontificating upon my country 's fobiles and faults both real and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > medic in Afganistan. > BTW does any one know if theres even talk of a medal for this guy yet? Someone who does not seem to know better wrote a letter to the editor of the National Pest yesterday saying he should get the VC (http://server09.densan.ca/archivenews/060124/npt/060124em.htm). There is likely little chance MCpl Franklin will not get one, but the ink on the terms of reference for the Board of Inquiry will have hardly even dried, and I would not see any decoration being issued in the short term. Only once the situation is clear will the CF's recommendation be sent to the Chancellery. Until the latter takes a decision, it is all to remain classified. The medal MCpl Franklin will get is likely the Star of Military Valour (http://www.forces.gc.ca/hr/dhh/honours_awards/engraph/honour_awards_e .asp?cat=3&Q_ID=25). SignatureAndrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) >>I will admit watching Hines actually learning something as opposed >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >>are pussies. [....] "Shore refused to say Tuesday night how many Canadian border agents left their posts because of the perceived danger[....]" http://news.yahoo.com/s/cpress/20060125/ca_pr_on_na/border_shutdown;_ylt=Au6lEzv t8IRraTGbeR4vYeh19L4F;_ylu=X3oDMTA3OWI1ZGNqBHNlYwM3Mzc- There are grandmothers in their Nineties who are better armed and better prepared to defend themselves and others than the "Canadian border agents." > There are grandmothers in their Nineties who are better armed and better > prepared to defend themselves and others than the "Canadian border agents." So? I notice that the US border guards didn't manage to stop them, although two do seem to have been knocked over by their car... Arresting heavily armed criminals is a job for the police. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >>There are grandmothers in their Nineties who are better armed and better >>prepared to defend themselves and others than the "Canadian border [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > Arresting heavily armed criminals is a job for the police. Wrong again, Willie: "At some point, a Customs and Border Protection agent fired his gun, striking one of the men, Elfo told The Seattle Times." http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060125/ap_on_re_us/border_closed;_ylt=AnjcHgiY1ZkPl rkUjEIT68VG2ocA;_ylu=X3oDMTBiMW04NW9mBHNlYwMlJVRPUCUl The Washington State Patrol officers used a spike strip on Interstate 5 to puncture the tires on the suspects' vehicle, they they kept going anyway. When the murders suspects reached the border, they tryed to go around the traffic and ram the vehicle with its flattened tires through all of the border facilities. They were finally stopped when they rammed and failed to get past a Whatcom County Sheriff's car which blocked the road across the border. It is not a wonder that two Homeland Security officers affot were not able to immediately stop this vehicle being used as a battering ram. Border guards and customs agents are, by definition of their functions, inherently law enforcement officers. In Canada, however, unarmed border 'agents' are armed with nothing more lethal than flannel lined tongues with which to taunt armed criminals and terrorists. Yes, as I noted before, many Canadians [certainly not all] are pussies. DSH > Border guards and customs agents are, by definition of their functions, > inherently law enforcement officers. In Canada, however, unarmed border > 'agents' are armed with nothing more lethal than flannel lined tongues > with which to taunt armed criminals and terrorists. > Yes, as I noted before, many Canadians [certainly not all] are pussies. ^^^^ You misspelled "have". - nilita >>Yes, as I noted before, many Canadians [certainly not all] are pussies. >> [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - nilita Purebreds, no doubt. > Yes, as I noted before, many Canadians [certainly not all] are pussies. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>'agents' are armed with nothing more lethal than flannel lined tongues >>with which to taunt armed criminals and terrorists. [QUOTE] Canadian Party Vows Armed Border Guards By ROB GILLIES, Associated Press Writer Wed Jan 25, 10:00 PM ET VANCOUVER, British Columbia - A prominent member of Canada's incoming Conservative government said Wednesday the party will stand behind its promise to arm border guards, a day after guards fled their posts because two murder suspects were heading for the border from California. [....] Toews suggested Canada should be embarrassed by the incident. "I think it does nothing for our national image. I find it very disturbing that our officers felt compelled to leave because of this threat to their personal safety," he said. [....] Border guards are supposed to allow anyone suspected of being armed and dangerous into Canada and then call police. [....] http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060126/ap_on_re_ca/canada_border_guns [UNQUOTE] > I notice that the US border guards didn't manage to stop them, although two > do seem to have been knocked over by their car... > > Arresting heavily armed criminals is a job for the police. So they caught those guys! Great!!! That was an interesting local story. They shot a guy from India, the first local murder of the year, just as the new police chief was taking office. It was also an unusual murder, since most of the local murders are gang related, Nortenos, Surenos, etc. The gang members are quite crazy, sometimes killing police officers over trivial incidents. Such criminal gangs are something like minor league terrorist organizations that could grow into major league terrorist organizations. Tougher anti-gang legislation is needed, and the gangs need to be taken apart as if they were incipient terrorist groups. They kill witnesses to terrorize the local population into not giving information to the police, so relatively few murders get solved in this area (San Francisco Bay Area). That alone should be enough to label those criminal gangs as some kind of terrorist organizations. They need to be thoroughly infiltrated by informants, as Islamic terrorist organizations may be attempting to contact or use those criminal gangs. They all have the same mentality as Nazi street gangs (or worse), extremely tough and violent; though not particularly intelligent that doesn't make them less dangerous. The youth culture in the inner cities is dominated by the gang culture, so the problem is going to keep getting worse and worse if nothing is done to stop it. Interesting that the local criminals made national and international headlines for a change ... > > I notice that the US border guards didn't manage to stop them, although two > > do seem to have been knocked over by their car... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > area (San Francisco Bay Area). That alone should be enough to label > those criminal gangs as some kind of terrorist organizations. That is a dangerously slippery slope, given that gangs do NOT have the potential for mass destruction of terrorists. Killing witnesses is reprehensible, but not the same level of threat as suicide bombers with various means of locomotion. Some PATRIOT Act provisions were justified because they were needed against non-national terrorists, and supported with assurances that the special provisions would not spill into general law enforcement. If every criminal becomes a terrorist, law enforcement becomes meaningless. >They need > to be thoroughly infiltrated by informants, as Islamic terrorist > organizations may be attempting to contact or use those criminal gangs. Oh? Got some support for how the belief systems are resolved? > They all have the same mentality as Nazi street gangs (or worse), Who were worse? SA street gangs that became more disciplined as SS? > extremely tough and violent; though not particularly intelligent that > doesn't make them less dangerous. Ah, but the problem with the Nazis is that key people were intelligent, if evil. > The youth culture in the inner cities > is dominated by the gang culture, so the problem is going to keep > getting worse and worse if nothing is done to stop it. > > Interesting that the local criminals made national and international > headlines for a change ... > I will admit watching Hines actually learning something as opposed to > pontificating upon my country 's fobiles and faults both real and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > medic in Afganistan. > BTW does any one know if theres even talk of a medal for this guy yet? It's a mistake to get miffed by Mr. Hines. He is the ultimate troll and Canada is simply the pond where he currently has his line. He will move on if he doesn't catch anything. Jim >> I will admit watching Hines actually learning something as opposed to >> pontificating upon my country 's fobiles and faults both real and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Canada is simply the pond where he currently has his line. He will move on >if he doesn't catch anything. Viknce is the ultimate troll, DSH is an amateur. Still, if he wants to catch something, there's the ever-popular beeaver fever and a little surplus Lymes from last season. We're all out of SARS, I'm afraid. Peter Skelton On 1/25/06 8:48 AM, in article cdMBf.19459$ve.328944@news20.bellglobal.com, >> I will admit watching Hines actually learning something as opposed to >> pontificating upon my country 's fobiles and faults both real and [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > Canada is simply the pond where he currently has his line. He will move on > if he doesn't catch anything. As uncomfortable as it makes me to defend the sometimes obnoxious DSH, I must say that, unlike genuine trolls, he seems to have a broad range of interests and often contributes useful information. His style, though, does often make him his own worst enemy. Grey Satterfield On 1/24/06 10:09 PM, in article 1138162186.085392.315640@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com, "Gordon Dundas" <g_dundas@yahoo.com> wrote: > I will admit watching Hines actually learning something as opposed to > pontificating upon my country 's fobiles and faults both real and [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > medic in Afganistan. > BTW does any one know if theres even talk of a medal for this guy yet? Spencer likes to foment outrage and -- credit where credit it due -- he is good at it. :>) Grey Satterfield Thoughtful & Profound. DSH >Our relationship to the U.S. in many ways is like that of Austria to > Germany. Both Canada and the U.S. are part of a greater America, and > both have wider variations within their populations than between them. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Can Stephen Harper speak French ? Isn't there a law that the Canuckistani Premier must be bi-lingual ? David H ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > Can Stephen Harper speak French ? Yes. > Isn't there a law that the Canuckistani > Premier must be bi-lingual ? No, but it is the convention since Trudeau. The last unilingual PM was Pearson (despite his efforts) in the mid-1960s. SignatureAndrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) >> Why is Alberta so politically different from many other parts of Canada? > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >but also a fair number of folks from both cowboy culture in the U.S. and >even from the Eastern Seaboard. That and the fact that Alberta has huge oil revenues and enormous reserves. (Nothing makes a government system look brilliant like a large revenue stream it needn't tax to get.) Peter Skelton Deeeeelightful! So, God In His Infinite Wisdom has made his face to shine upon the Albertans. Good Show & Wise Decision! DSH >>> Why is Alberta so politically different from many other parts of Canada? >> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > Peter Skelton RIght, the Albertans wnet there and God created the oil for them. F*g moron Peter >Deeeeelightful! > [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] >> >> Peter Skelton >>> Why is Alberta so politically different from many other parts of Canada? >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > reserves. (Nothing makes a government system look brilliant like > a large revenue stream it needn't tax to get.) I see that as a proximate cause or explanation, but the way it was settled underlies it. SignatureAndrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) Bingo! God created the oil reserves and then led his Chosen People, the Albertans, to settle on the Land. <g> I'd say God did better by the Albertans than he did by the Israelis. DSH > I see that as a proximate cause or explanation, but the way it was settled > underlies it. >>>> Why is Alberta so politically different from many other parts of Canada? >>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >I see that as a proximate cause or explanation, but the way it was settled >underlies it. I'd say the oil underlies Alberta :) (You have a point, as usual.) Peter Skelton > (You have a point, as usual.) I usually keep it covered with my Ottawa Senators cap, except in the house. SignatureAndrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) > That and the fact that Alberta has huge oil revenues and enormous > reserves. (Nothing makes a government system look brilliant like > a large revenue stream it needn't tax to get.) Too right. Whatmakes a government look brilliant is taking an axe to the provincial deficit when times were not as prosperous as today and turning completely around a province which had developed a habit of living well beyond its means. Good times have significantly reduced the pain involved. On 1/24/06 4:22 PM, in article 1138141361.059793.118510@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com, >> That and the fact that Alberta has huge oil revenues and enormous >> reserves. (Nothing makes a government system look brilliant like [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > living well beyond its means. Good times have significantly reduced the > pain involved. By any measure, these ARE good times in the oil patch. Grey Satterfield Recte: Hurrah For The Canadians! Now that the Federal Election is over, Americans have a perfect right to comment and say: Well Done! Especially to those folks in Alberta. What else is there to see and do in Alberta and especially in Calgary, Stephen Harper's home district? Just like the Germans, the Canadians have had the Good Sense to turn to the Conservatives for political, economic and social solutions. I have a hunch Stephen Harper will get an invitation to Washington in the not too distant future and he will get some things he has been asking for. He may even get an invitation to visit the President at his ranch in Crawford, Texas, something the pasty-faced pogue and wimp-wuss appeaser, Paul Martin, never got -- and more goodies for Canadians from the U.S. "Harper also is seen as ideologically closer to the Bush administration than is the Liberal Party, which balked at joining the invasion of Iraq and refused to sign on to the U.S. plan to develop an antiballistic missile system for North America. Harper has suggested he might revisit the missile defense decision and has said Canada would reject the Kyoto accord on global warming, as the Bush administration has done." -- Doug Struck, Washington Post Foreign Service ------------------------------------------------- SMART -- particularly on rejecting the Kyoto Accord. Stay Tuned! D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor The Albertans also seem to have good, sound, simple tastes as displayed in their Flag and Coat of Arms: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Alberta_flag.png http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:AlbertaCoatofArms.png _Fortis et Liber_... I like that. Is there a Provincial Song? Something catchy I hope. A Province named after one of Queen Victoria's daughters is also delightful -- although I confess I had hoped it was named after "Bertie" the Prince of Wales who later became Edward VII. A hail-fellow-well-met indeed was he -- and a Real Brit. Lillie Langtry, nee Emilie Charlotte le Breton [1853-1929], was a celebrated beauty and accomplished Shakespearean actress. She was the daughter of the Dean of Jersey. Lillie was also one of the principal mistresses of Albert Edward, [1841-1910] Prince of Wales, who later became King Edward VII. Widely considered to be one of the most beautiful women of her time, Lillie Langtry also had a quick intelligence and a ready wit. On one occasion, during her long and intimate friendship with the Prince of Wales, he remarked, "I have spent enough on you to buy a Battleship." Lillie responded, "You have spent enough in me, Sir, to float a Battleship!" A Capital Ship no doubt.... D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "Worthwhile Canadian Initiative" "Not so long ago," we noted in September, "the Angry Left was exulting in the election victories of anti-American, or at least stridently anti-Bush, candidates in places like Germany, South Korea and Spain." At the time we wrote that, pro-American candidates had won elections in Australia, Britain, the U.S. and Japan. Since then, Germany has switched sides, and now we can even add Canada to the list. In Monday's elections up there, the Conservative Party defeated the incumbent Liberals. The Conservatives have only a minority government, which means that, as Bloomberg notes: ------------------------------------------ Some of Harper's other initiatives may get stalled by opposition parties because the Conservatives, unlike the Liberals, have no natural allies in Parliament. These measures include corporate tax cuts, allowing domestic banks to merge under certain conditions, and lifting foreign ownership limits on industries such as telecommunications. His plan to reverse Canada's support for the Kyoto agreement on greenhouse gas emissions may also be blocked. ------------------------------------------- Still, it's nice to see the good guys win yet another one. James Taranto The WSJ ---------------------------------- Bingo! DSH I would start wearing a crossed flags pin right after Canada suffers a devastating terrorist attack, with great loss of life, as the United States did on 9/11 -- and decided to get serious about the Global Islamofascist Threat. Canadian Border Guards fleeing their posts in panic... Appalling! Canadians too pussified to even arm their Border Guards... Hilarious! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Exitus Acta Probat |
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