"Stein Stands by 'L.A. Times' Column on U.S. Troops That Drew Protest"
By E&P Staff
Published: January 25, 2006
NEW YORK Los Angeles Times columnist Joel Stein says he stands by his
Tuesday column after being what he called "bombarded" with email. Stein, the
former Time magazine staff writer, had written a column that began, "I don't
support our troops."
Stein tells Reuters he does not regret writing it and stands by the premise.
The Times online site has put up a poll on the subject, in its opinion
sections, asking readers if someone can oppose the war but support the
troops, yes or no? It also offers a third choice: "I don't know, Why did you
hire Joel Stein again?" ******
The article, which ran on the Times opinion page on Tuesday, was quickly
linked on conservative sites and others, and hundreds of letters poured in
to Stein and the Times. Bruce Pyle of Las Vegas, Nev., wrote to E&P that "it
is going to be hard to distinguish between Stein and Bin Laden when it comes
to their views on America."
One man posted at the NewsBusters site, "Stein should be bowing his head in
shame. Doubtful though." Conservative columnist Michelle Malkin quickly
nominated Stein as "one of the most loathsome people in America."
Stein, whose columns are often humorous in nature, commented to Reuters that
whenever a politician opposes the war but supports the troops "I just always
think they are covering their a.s." ******
He appeared on the talk radio show of conservative Hugh Hewitt in Los
Angeles on Tuesday and said, "I don't want empty sentiments prolonging the
war."
Hewitt had written on his blog, "These are not illegal opinions, of course,
but they are deeply repulsive ones, and I don't believe the Los Angeles
Times ought to have run this column."
At the same time, Atrios at the liberal blog, Eschaton, dubbed Stein "w.nker
of the Day." ******
A message board at the Los Angeles Times site was flooded with anti-Stein
comments, one suggesting that he was the "love child" of former Times
columnist Robert Scheer and Jane Fonda. There was some support, too, such as
this example: "Finally someone had the guts to say it. These soldiers are
volunteers and responsible for the deaths of more than 50,000 innocent men,
women and children and they should be held responsible, just like the people
who started this illegal war."
In his column, Stein wrote that "being against the war and saying you
support the troops" suggests that "the one lesson they took away from
Vietnam wasn't to avoid foreign conflicts with no pressing national interest
but to remember to throw a parade afterward."
Stein added: "I understand the guilt. We know we're sending recruits to do
our dirty work, and we want to seem grateful."
Other points:
--"Blindly lending support to our soldiers, I fear, will keep them overseas
longer by giving soft acquiescence to the hawks who sent them there - and
who might one day want to send them somewhere else."
--"Besides, those little yellow ribbons aren't really for the troops. They
need body armor, shorter stays and a USO show by the cast of 'Laguna Beach.'
The real purpose of those ribbons is to ease some of the guilt we feel for
voting to send them to war and then making absolutely no sacrifices other
than enduring two Wolf Blitzer shows a day...."
--"After we've decided that we made a mistake, we don't want to blame the
soldiers who were ordered to fight. Or even our representatives, who were
deceived by false intelligence. And certainly not ourselves, who failed to
object to a war we barely understood."
--"All I'm asking is that we give our returning soldiers what they need:
hospitals, pensions, mental health and a safe, immediate return."
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D. Spencer Hines - 26 Jan 2006 01:51 GMT
"Troops Shmoops"
"Someone calling himself Mephistopheles, responding to a John Kerry* posting
on the Angry Left Web site DailyKos.com,
"Liberals shouldn't pretend to be in favour of the military (as a concept
most liberals are instinctively against it) when we aren't. The military are
"special cirucmstances [sic]"-- men who must do a dirty job when all other
opportunities and options are exhausted. They aren't men to be lionised and
put on a pedestal -- they're like toilet cleaners: it's a dirty job, but
someone's gotta do it."
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Yes, many "LIBERALS" feel that way. -- DSH
A similar take comes from one Henry M. Bowles III in the Daily Northwestern,
a student newspaper:
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"Protesting military recruiters on campus, so long as they ban open gays
from joining, is admirable. But there's a more permanent reason to keep the
military away from our brightest students. Young males are easily
manipulated during the period of their lives when they exist outside the
female domain, after the mother and before the wife. They are above all
eager to demonstrate masculinity. With its promises of order, fraternity and
cohesion, the military taps into this angst.
A real tragedy occurs when a young man, susceptible to the military's
appeal and nonetheless intelligent and creative, signs up to become cannon
fodder. He'll probably leave the military alive, but he'll have been
irreversibly molded, less inclined to dissent. Less intelligent people are
better equipped for most military positions, and have far less to lose."
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Ahh, yes, that is CERTAINLY the core mentality of many "LIBERALS" towards
"The Military" -- especially "Liberal" college professors. -- DSH
OK, so big deal, right? An anonymous poster on an extremist blog and an
improbably named undergraduate don't prove anything, do they? But then
there is Joel Stein:
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"I don't support our troops. . . . I'm not for the war. And being against
the war and saying you support the troops is one of the wussiest positions
the pacifists have ever taken. . . .
I'm not advocating that we spit on returning veterans like they did after
the Vietnam War, but we shouldn't be celebrating people for doing something
we don't think was a good idea. All I'm asking is that we give our returning
soldiers what they need: hospitals, pensions, mental health and a safe,
immediate return. But, please, no parades."
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Stein is not some fringe lunatic; he is a columnist for the Los Angeles
Times, the fourth most widely circulated newspaper in America. In December
we noted that liberals and Democrats ritually declare "I support the troops"
to take the edge off their defeatist pronouncements. Now that Stein has
broken the taboo against showing contempt for servicemen, we wonder if other
"mainstream" figures will follow."
"* The haughty, French-looking Vietnam Democrat, who by the way accuses U.S.
servicemen of "going into the homes of Iraqis in the dead of night,
terrorizing kids and children.""
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DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Vires et Honor
Tiglath - 26 Jan 2006 19:37 GMT
> "Stein Stands by 'L.A. Times' Column on U.S. Troops That Drew Protest"
>
> By E&P Staff
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
We should give slogans a rest in this culture and get real.
One can't do justice to one's position in a complicated issue with a
short phrase.
One can't understand an do justice to someone else's position in a
complicate issue by interpreting the meaning of a short phrase either.
Hence the stupid interview Mr. Hines posted.
What does "support our troops mean.'?
Support them right or wrong?
The troop have little say in what they do, mostly they follow orders.
They are tools.
Those who use the euphemism 'support our troops' for 'support the war'
are just playing games because, as Mr. Hines and the idiots who
complained about the "I don't support our troops" statement has shown.
WEASEL WORDS
A redefinition of language for political reasons, folks, and nothing
else.
The truth is that our troops are us. A brave few of us, men and women
who risk their lives to serve their country. They do as ordered and
they have been ordered to do terrible things in Iraq.
The truth is that they are being BADLY misused by a bunch on
incompetent people in high places.
Those incompetent people and their supporters are trying to shift the
focus on to the troops because it easy to protest lack of support for
our troops than lack of support for those who issue the orders.
Bush The Incompetent and his Cronies are who are not being supported by
an ever increasing number of American People.
Bring the troops home for when we REALLY need them.
Here are two stellar must-read articles on Bush the Incompetent.
The man is simply astonishing, Congress is delerict of its duty and the
Americal People are snoozing, or at the Mall.
Sad times.
Bush the Incompetent
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-yn/content/article/2006/01/24/AR2006012401163.html
A President Who Can Do No Right
http://select.nytimes.com/2006/01/26/opinion/26herbert.html?hp