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History Forum / General / British History / December 2003British Hooligans Lay Anti-Bush Plans
"Humiliate Bush? Please, Anything but That!" ""UK Protesters Aim to Humiliate Bush Like Saddam" reads the Reuters headline: "Anti-war protesters plan to topple and dance on a mock statue of President Bush in the center of London as part of demonstrations to "blight" his visit to Britain next month. Their re-working in Trafalgar Square of the famous humiliation of a Saddam Hussein statue in Baghdad six months' ago will be among running protests including marches and a mock trial of Bush planned around his November 19-21 state visit. "People are excited about the prospect of opposing George Bush because they feel this visit adds insult to the injury already caused by the Iraq war," said Lindsey German, of Stop the War Coalition, one of various groups planning the events." Now, if there's one thing we know from reading Reuters' coverage of the Palestinian Arabs' "uprising for independence," it's that it's not a good idea to humiliate people. The Israelis keep humiliating the poor Palestinians, who naturally react by wantonly murdering innocent Israelis. Isn't Lindsey German the slightest bit worried that she's going to cause President Bush to kill lots of people by humiliating him like this?" James Taranto The Wall Street Journal ---------------------- Indeed.... Counterproductive To The Max.... Hilarious! These Brit hooligans just get dumber and dumber as time goes by. "Loverly...." Deus Vult. Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor > These Brit hooligans just get dumber and dumber as time goes by. Err fistly its REALLY dumb for Bush to come to the UK right now, everyone is pissed witht he Iraq war, and blames Bush (you can't really blame Blair hes gone mad, I feel sorry for him really). Expect to see just about anything when hes does come. Including the Met trying to deal with large crowds who are going to be very f.cked off. The other thing, "These Brit hooligans" who turned up on the original march numbered 1-2million. "These Brits" would be more accurate. >> These Brit hooligans just get dumber and dumber as time goes by. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >The other thing, "These Brit hooligans" who turned up on the original >march numbered 1-2million. "These Brits" would be more accurate. Err the so called 'hooligans' according the todays Mirror are a crowd of assorted crustys organisations. I for one hope they do try it on, it'll give the police an excuse to machine gun the scum down before they flush their stinking carcasses into the thames. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > Err the so called 'hooligans' according the todays Mirror are a crowd > of assorted crustys organisations. I for one hope they do try it on, > it'll give the police an excuse to machine gun the scum down before > they flush their stinking carcasses into the thames. Wow. The Pentagon should put you in charge of media relations. You fit right in what that general who said that the fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan was a fight against Satan. > > Err the so called 'hooligans' according the todays Mirror are a crowd > > of assorted crustys organisations. I for one hope they do try it on, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > right in what that general who said that the fighting in Iraq and > Afghanistan was a fight against Satan. What does that have to do with the make-up of the so-called "Stop The War" group. Most of the leadership of these groups are extreme left (or anarchist), and would dance in the streets if Saddam came back to power (just to spite Bush/Blair). In fact many of them hate anything to do with the current order, especially capitalism, IMF, WTO or global trade in general. They hate the US far more than they do Islamo fascism. And there is very little "peaceful" about the more radical among them (a few air-headed kids just out to have a 'good time' notwithstanding). John >>> These Brit hooligans just get dumber and dumber as time goes by. >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >it'll give the police an excuse to machine gun the scum down before >they flush their stinking carcasses into the thames. Hey steady on! The salmon have only just started returning....  SignatureBryn Fraser "I did not have sexual relations with that woman!" Bill Clinton The Good Old Days, Days of Innocence... http://www.finhall.demon.co.uk http://www.thefrasers.com > >>> These Brit hooligans just get dumber and dumber as time goes by. > >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Hey steady on! The salmon have only just started returning.... Personally I would be putting the Stars and Strips on the roof to replace the Cross of St George ( if I had one). But I would draw the line at polluting the Thames -:)) Red Ken is holding an *alternative* reception at City Hall for the Anti's. Lets do London a favour and blow him up, methinks :-)) Jamie In alt.history.british Christopher <mcai9ce2@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> These Brit hooligans just get dumber and dumber as time goes by. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>The other thing, "These Brit hooligans" who turned up on the original >>march numbered 1-2million. "These Brits" would be more accurate. >Err the so called 'hooligans' according the todays Mirror are a crowd >of assorted crustys organisations. I for one hope they do try it on, >it'll give the police an excuse to machine gun the scum down before >they flush their stinking carcasses into the thames. Have you folks no regard for the environment? Thames dumping is so medieval. ---- Paul J. Gans >In alt.history.british Christopher <mcai9ce2@hotmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Have you folks no regard for the environment? Yes, the less crustys around the less air pollution there is. > Thames dumping >is so medieval. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > I for one hope they do try it on, > it'll give the police an excuse to machine gun the scum down before > they flush their stinking carcasses into the thames. As far as I'm aware the Met don't actually have access to automatic weapons, their H&C MP-5s are specially made so they can't actually fire on full auto. I also imagine that dumping bodies in the Thames breaks more regulations than you would really want to. Now get back under your rock Troll... -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three >> I for one hope they do try it on, >> it'll give the police an excuse to machine gun the scum down before [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Now get back under your rock Troll... Ah. looks like we have a crusty supporter here. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >> I for one hope they do try it on, > >> it'll give the police an excuse to machine gun the scum down before [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Ah. looks like we have a crusty supporter here. Actually no. I'm a supporter of both Blair and the war. However thugs who want to shoot people going about their lawful business get no mercy. -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three >> >> I for one hope they do try it on, >> >> it'll give the police an excuse to machine gun the scum down before [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >I'm a supporter of both Blair and the war. That's even worse. >However thugs who want to shoot people going about their lawful business get >no mercy. Crustys couldn't engage in 'lawful business' if their life depened on it, most of them are unemployable layabout's who live on benefits and the only work that do is make the female crusty slapplers pregnant so they can claim more money for the little bastards they'll produce. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill In soc.history.medieval Christopher <mcai9ce2@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> >> I for one hope they do try it on, >>> >> it'll give the police an excuse to machine gun the scum down before [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >>I'm a supporter of both Blair and the war. >That's even worse. >>However thugs who want to shoot people going about their lawful business get >>no mercy. >Crustys couldn't engage in 'lawful business' if their life depened on >it, most of them are unemployable layabout's who live on benefits and >the only work that do is make the female crusty slapplers pregnant so >they can claim more money for the little bastards they'll produce. How do I get to be a "crusty". Sounds like great work. Is there an application office? How many females do I get to make pregnant? Is there beer? Inquiring minds want to know. ---- Paul J. Gans >In soc.history.medieval Christopher <mcai9ce2@hotmail.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >How do I get to be a "crusty". Sounds like great work. >Is there an application office? No, just don't wash for a 6 months, don't have you're hair cut for over a year, and wear tatty smelly old clothes, and of course live on the dole. >How many females do I >get to make pregnant? That depends on you. >Is there beer? Carlsberg Special Brew is what I've heard they drink. >Inquiring minds want to know. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill That's a most interesting paragraph. Vide infra. Tell us more about these _Crustys_ _Layabouts_ and _Slapplers_. Is some of this your marvelous Cockney Rhyming Slang [CRS] again? Can one write _Crusties_ as well ---- or must it be _Crustys_? An excellent Churchill quote too ---- it encapsulates my seven years on USENET quite nicely. Cheers, DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Britannicus Traductus Sum | Crustys couldn't engage in 'lawful business' if their life depened [sic] on | it, most of them are unemployable layabout's [sic] who live on benefits and | the only work that [sic] do is make the female crusty slapplers pregnant so | they can claim more money for the little bastards they'll produce. | [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] | the wind - not with it." | Winston Churchill >That's a most interesting paragraph. Vide infra. > >Tell us more about these _Crustys_ _Layabouts_ and _Slapplers_. Have a look at any rent a mob where the anarchy groups are, and you'll see them. >Is some of this your marvelous Cockney Rhyming Slang [CRS] again? > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >| the wind - not with it." >| Winston Churchill Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > | Christopher > | +++++++++++++++++++++++++ > | "Kites rise highest against > | the wind - not with it." > | Winston Churchill Heres a better Churchill quote: All quotes in the excerpt are properly footnoted in the original book, with full references to British archives and papers. Excerpt from pages 179-181 of Simons, Geoff. *IRAQ: FROM SUMER TO SUDAN*. London: St. Martins Press, 1994: Winston Churchill, as colonial secretary, was sensitive to the cost of policing the Empire; and was in consequence keen to exploit the potential of modern technology. This strategy had particular relevance to operations in Iraq. On 19 February, 1920, before the start of the Arab uprising, Churchill (then Secretary for War and Air) wrote to Sir Hugh Trenchard, the pioneer of air warfare. Would it be possible for Trenchard to take control of Iraq? This would entail *the provision of some kind of asphyxiating bombs calculated to cause disablement of some kind but not death...for use in preliminary operations against turbulent tribes.* >> | Christopher >> | +++++++++++++++++++++++++ [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >kind but not death...for use in preliminary operations against turbulent >tribes.* I usually change my sig at the end of the month. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > > | Christopher > > | +++++++++++++++++++++++++ [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > kind but not death...for use in preliminary operations against turbulent > tribes.* So what? Much of the First World War was spent with both sides chucking "some kind of asphyxiating bombs" at each other, except that they _were_ calculated to cause death. You make out like this was some special horrible new thing dreamt up just for the Iraqis. > That's a most interesting paragraph. Vide infra. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Can one write _Crusties_ as well ---- or must it be _Crustys_? 'Crusty' is usually applied to travellers not of Romany stock. The term seems to be originally military and was applied to someone who does not shower every day 'Layabout' is invariably used by the right wing press to denote people without paid employment. It is not a term in common usage. 'Slapper' derives from 'Patty Slapper', a low level worker in the fish packing industry. It usually means a woman of working class origins who is believed to be of loose morals. -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three >Crustys couldn't engage in 'lawful business' if their life depened on >it, most of them are unemployable layabout's Jesus effing wept! If you're going to wipe the floor with Crusties, please could you try and arrange for an adult to punctuate your posts!? >who live on benefits and >the only work that do is make the female crusty slapplers Slapplers? Maybe your minder should check your spellings too? >pregnant so >they can claim more money for the little bastards they'll produce. oh ar, and with a bit of luck the SS will pay them enough to move into your road in Surbiton. That'd be funny! Liz >>Crustys couldn't engage in 'lawful business' if their life depened on >>it, most of them are unemployable layabout's > >Jesus effing wept! If you're going to wipe the floor with Crusties, please could you >try and arrange for an adult to punctuate your posts!? Piss off bitch. >>who live on benefits and >>the only work that do is make the female crusty slapplers > >Slapplers? Maybe your minder should check your spellings too? Alright its Slappers. Happy now. >>pregnant so >>they can claim more money for the little bastards they'll produce. > >oh ar, and with a bit of luck the SS will pay them enough to move into your road in >Surbiton. That'd be funny! Better still move them to Australia, out of sight... Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill >>> Crustys couldn't engage in 'lawful business' if their life depened on >>> it, most of them are unemployable layabout's [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Better still move them to Australia, out of sight... He was right, he's NOT a Tory or one of Maggie's Boys. He's BNP. >>>> Crustys couldn't engage in 'lawful business' if their life depened on >>>> it, most of them are unemployable layabout's [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > >He's BNP. Nope, he's UKIP. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >>>> Crustys couldn't engage in 'lawful business' if their life depened on > >>>> it, most of them are unemployable layabout's [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > > >He's BNP. British Nazi Plonker, or Bleating Nancy Ponce? > Nope, he's UKIP. Aha... "UK Incompetant Pratt" I presume. Or "UK Insolent Pogue" perhaps? I object to the letters UK being used in such a fashion whichever it might be, especially by one who calls the Welsh and Irish "sheep shaggers and paddies" - a bit rich! Hardly united.... Cheers Martin >> >>> On Tue, 21 Oct 2003 11:01:15 GMT, mcai9ce2@hotmail.com (Christopher) >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Aha... "UK Incompetant Pratt" I presume. Or United Kingdom Independance Party, as we English will have to save scotty lands arse [again] when we withdraw from the eu swamp. >Or "UK Insolent Pogue" perhaps? > >I object to the letters UK being used in such a fashion whichever it might >be, especially by one who calls the Welsh and Irish "sheep shaggers and >paddies" - a bit rich! Hardly united.... Whatever. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > Nope, he's UKIP. Is that the bunch who levitate? -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three >> Nope, he's UKIP. > > Is that the bunch who levitate? Very similar, I believe you're talking about the ones who jump about with their legs crossed in a Yoga position (Yogic Flyers?). The UKIP are the ones who nobody has heard of since Goldsmith died shortly after the '97 election. If I remember rightly, that was when David Mellor lost his seat and the UKIP still lost their deposit. Seeing as Christopher can write, of a sorts, I expect if he's got the front to call himself a UKIP supporter, they'll have him standing somewhere at the next election. Here's a predicted result: Labour - 16475 Lib Dem - 9392 Conservative - 2673 Ind Labour - 1765 BNP - 654 Monster Raving Loony - 567 NO Euro - 256 Save our Hospital - 199 UKIP - 176 Another Lost deposit................... Hilarious. You could stand as Mickey Mouse and still get more votes than the UKIP. MWC > You could stand as Mickey Mouse and still get more votes than the UKIP. Doesn't say that much about the UKIP, though. You can stand as a man in a monkey suit and still get elected mayor of Darlington. And it's well known that any strategically-shaved chimp wearing a blue rosette could still win a safe Tory seat. Cheers, Alex >>> Nope, he's UKIP. >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >after the '97 election. If I remember rightly, that was when David Mellor >lost his seat and the UKIP still lost their deposit. Nope that was the referendum party. >Seeing as Christopher can write, of a sorts, I expect if he's got the front >to call himself a UKIP supporter, they'll have him standing somewhere at the [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >MWC Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill >>>> Nope, he's UKIP. >>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >> >> Here's a predicted result: Note the absence of a any denial here, folks. Christopher is standing at the next election - I wonder where? But still, my point was adequately pointed out by both Bill's and my own confusion over the Natural Law Party and the Referendum Party - nobody gives a toss or can even remember a thing about the UKIP. >> Nope, he's UKIP. > >Is that the bunch who levitate? Nope, thats's the natural law party and it's I belive called yogi flying, anyway they no longer put forward candidates for seats at general elections. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill >> He was right, he's NOT a Tory or one of Maggie's Boys. >> >> He's BNP. > > Nope, he's UKIP. UK Independence Party. Hilarious. More like a Chimps Tea Party. The UKIP are no-hope group of disaffected right-wing Tories who are going nowhere fast. People take more notice of the Monster Raving Loony Party. >>> He was right, he's NOT a Tory or one of Maggie's Boys. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >The UKIP are no-hope group of disaffected right-wing Tories who are going >nowhere fast. People take more notice of the Monster Raving Loony Party. Or the Lib Dems. > > Nope, he's UKIP. > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > The UKIP are no-hope group of disaffected right-wing Tories who are going > nowhere fast. People take more notice of the Monster Raving Loony Party. that is not true, the UKIP gets more votes than the MRL party. >>> Nope, he's UKIP. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > that is not true, the UKIP gets more votes than the MRL party. I didn't say they get more votes, I said people take more notice of the MRL's. >>> He was right, he's NOT a Tory or one of Maggie's Boys. >>> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >The UKIP are no-hope group of disaffected right-wing Tories who are going >nowhere fast. People take more notice of the Monster Raving Loony Party. Until Britain finds itself at the cross road, and the choice is either becoming a mere province by going completely into a federal european superstate with the euro as our currency and no sovereignty, and pulling out of the eu, and scrapping all eu regulations and dictats, and becoming an independent nation state again with all our sovereign powers restored in Parliment. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > Until Britain finds itself at the cross road, and the choice is either > becoming a mere province by going completely into a federal european > superstate with the euro as our currency and no sovereignty, and > pulling out of the eu, and scrapping all eu regulations and dictats, > and becoming an independent nation state again with all our sovereign > powers restored in Parliment. And somehow, when this happens, you won't have to deal with the EU anyway? They'll be your closest trading partner -- a trading partner you just told to sod off. Doesn't sound good... >> Until Britain finds itself at the cross road, and the choice is either >> becoming a mere province by going completely into a federal european [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >They'll be your closest trading partner -- a trading partner you just told >to sod off. No a federal superstate you told you were leaving. >Doesn't sound good... There is a world outside europe's borders. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >> Until Britain finds itself at the cross road, and the choice is either > >> becoming a mere province by going completely into a federal european [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > No a federal superstate you told you were leaving. Eh? Doesn't track. > >Doesn't sound good... > > > There is a world outside europe's borders. Sure. The US, ever delving deeper into 5-second attention spans. Russia, swiftly becoming the head of the third world nations. China, which sells to YOU, not the other way around. Gonna increase your GDP by selling to South America? Japan? Africa? Yeah, right. Europe is your lifesblood. Drew >> >> Until Britain finds itself at the cross road, and the choice is either >> >> becoming a mere province by going completely into a federal european [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >Eh? Doesn't track. The rest of europe jumps into the swamp of a federal superstate thats 2 steps from becoming a basket case, and Britain watches them do it. >> >Doesn't sound good... >> > [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >Gonna increase your GDP by selling to South America? Japan? Africa? Yeah, >right. The commenwealth courtries we traded with before we were pushed into the eec traded with us, and can do it again, plus new markets can be found, we will after all be masters of our own destiny, as we won't need to bother with the eu regulations again, and when we pull out we'll still be trading with european countries. >Europe is your lifesblood. No it's not if you look at the trade figures, we sell more stuff to the rest of the world then we do to the eu, but then you'll probably come back with the pro eu sales figures to support the pro eu line. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >Gonna increase your GDP by selling to South America? Japan? Africa? > >Yeah, right. > The commenwealth courtries we traded with before we were pushed into the > eec traded with us, and can do it again, plus new markets can be found, > we will after all be masters of our own destiny, as we won't need to > bother with the eu regulations again, and when we pull out we'll still > be trading with european countries. That was a possibility right up to the referendum. That's why I voted for us to ext the Common Market. It made sense for Britain to use its special position within Europe, with the Commonwealth and language and cultural links with the USA to act as a central 'meeting point' for those countries intent on choosing a reasoned form of government. having lost that referendum 2:1 the main trading links with the Commonwealth were lost; we had seriously pissed them off and they were finding markets and friends elsewhere and the fight would be USA or Europe. If we choose USA we take a permanent subservient role and so we're stuck with Europe and our only option is to either to get stuck in and take the lead or just accept the role thrown at us by France and Germany. We spent the Thatcher years doing the latter and losing most of our credibility whilst allowing the EC to drift into stupidity. We can't regain the options open in 1979 but we can stop it getting even worse. SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com >> >Gonna increase your GDP by selling to South America? Japan? Africa? >> >Yeah, right. [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >elsewhere and the fight would be USA or Europe. If we choose USA we take a >permanent subservient role Or plow our own furrow like little Switzerland has done for half a millenium. >and so we're stuck with Europe and our only >option is to either to get stuck in and take the lead LOL and you think the frogs and the germans are going to stand by and let us. Grow up. >or just accept the >role thrown at us by France and Germany. We spent the Thatcher years doing >the latter and losing most of our credibility whilst allowing the EC to >drift into stupidity. We can't regain the options open in 1979 but we can >stop it getting even worse. No, we can wash our hands of the entire thing and pull out. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill Christopher wrote... > >> >Gonna increase your GDP by selling to South America? Japan? Africa? > >> >Yeah, right. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Or plow our own furrow like little Switzerland has done for half a > millenium. Become a nation of bankers eh? > >and so we're stuck with Europe and our only > >option is to either to get stuck in and take the lead > > LOL and you think the frogs and the germans are going to stand by and > let us. Grow up. They need us just as we need them, and they know it. > >or just accept the > >role thrown at us by France and Germany. We spent the Thatcher years doing [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > No, we can wash our hands of the entire thing and pull out. And do what? We have no Empire, we have no industry worth speaking of - we don't even have any coal, steel or shipbuilding industries, fatal for an island nation! You won't like this Chris, but you'd better face it - thanks to Mrs Thatcher and the short sightedness of previous governments, we have almost nothing left to trade with and we can't go round pillaging any more - not allowed! So you suggest we go cap in hands to the USA? Call yourself a patriot? Huh! You think we can live off insurance, banking, N Sea Oil and 'trade' do you? Look at the way the world is going and try again! We have to come to terms... join up or give up. Our good old options which worked so well) are now closed. Open your eyes! Martin > Christopher wrote... >> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Open your eyes! > Martin Christopher suggests we trade with our former colonies of the Empire. Like who I'd like to know ? We didn't trade with them, Christopher, we robbed them blind. We paid and treated the workers like sh.t, and now they are getting their own back on us - HSBC moves call centres and IT facilities to India. What we've got left in this country, after Maggie sold the rest off or closed it down, is now moving elsewhere to cheaper labour forces and real estate. Big business and corporations run the world, not governments anymore. Empire's gone, Chris, time to get with the programme. MWC >Christopher suggests we trade with our former colonies of the Empire. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >We paid and treated the workers like sh.t, and now they are getting their >own back on us - HSBC moves call centres and IT facilities to India. No way. The only colony we made a profit from was Malaya, with its rubber and tin. Everywhere else we subsidised, paid rent for facilities and paid for development. Mike SignatureM.J.Powell >> Christopher suggests we trade with our former colonies of the Empire. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Mike Maybe not the British Government, but a lot of people did very well out of the Empire. It also came back to haunt many, even now. Cheers Michael >>> Christopher suggests we trade with our former colonies of the Empire. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >Maybe not the British Government, but a lot of people did very well out of >the Empire. It also came back to haunt many, even now. Private enterprise. Risk taking. Mike SignatureM.J.Powell >>>> Christopher suggests we trade with our former colonies of the Empire. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Private enterprise. Risk taking. Indeed - plantations, mines, real estate and general exploitation. My Grandfather was in India and Africa, primarily with the Army and later private enterprise, he made a lot of friends, and enemies too no doubt. Cheers MWC >> Christopher wrote... >>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >Christopher suggests we trade with our former colonies of the Empire. And the rest of the world. >Like who I'd like to know ? > >We didn't trade with them, Christopher, we robbed them blind. >We paid and treated the workers like sh.t, Some truth but mostly self fulgurating left wing bs. >and now they are getting their >own back on us - HSBC moves call centres and IT facilities to India. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Empire's gone, Chris, time to get with the programme. And you suggest becoming a mere province of a federal superstate two steps away from becoming a basket case is the way to go? Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > And the rest of the world. And Europe, for crying out aloud. Europe does buy non-EU goods! Surreyman >> And the rest of the world. > >And Europe, for crying out aloud. Europe does buy non-EU goods! Well going by the posts from the pro federalist lefties here europe will be a closed shop to Britain when we pull out of the eu. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >> And the rest of the world. > > > >And Europe, for crying out aloud. Europe does buy non-EU goods! > > Well going by the posts from the pro federalist lefties here europe > will be a closed shop to Britain when we pull out of the eu. That's nonsense. Surreyman >> >> And the rest of the world. >> > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >That's nonsense. I know, but you try telling that to the lefties here like William. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >> Christopher wrote... > >>> [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > And you suggest becoming a mere province of a federal superstate two > steps away from becoming a basket case is the way to go? You realise you are describing the US with that sentence. And it is a straight choice between the US or Europe. Sorry, the US is jumping into being a basket case, not two steps away. -- -- Chris Lyth (CLythJFK@ifis.org.ukshoot the president to reply) Although a Canadian, Mario Martinez is, in fact, an Italian. >> >> Christopher wrote... >> >>> [quoted text clipped - 101 lines] >straight choice between the US or Europe. >Sorry, the US is jumping into being a basket case, not two steps away. Sorry but I don't belive you regarding America. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >You realise you are describing the US with that sentence. And it is a > >straight choice between the US or Europe. > >Sorry, the US is jumping into being a basket case, not two steps away. > > Sorry but I don't belive you regarding America. Which simply means that you don't know much about the US, to go with your not knowing much about English history. >> >You realise you are describing the US with that sentence. And it is a >> >straight choice between the US or Europe. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >Which simply means that you don't know much about the US, to go with your >not knowing much about English history. You seem to have a fatalistic assumption that America is going downhill, as for English history, I know more then you think I do. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >Which simply means that you don't know much about the US, to go with your > >not knowing much about English history. > > You seem to have a fatalistic assumption that America is going > downhill, I'm living it, bucko. Economy in free fall, fundamentalist regeime in the white house, hatred and fear from around the world. _You_ might think that's call for tea and crumpets, _I_ think it's a national crisis and tragedy. > as for English history, I know more then you think I do. One wouldn't think so by reading your posts. >> >Which simply means that you don't know much about the US, to go with your >> >not knowing much about English history. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >that's call for tea and crumpets, _I_ think it's a national crisis and >tragedy. Then move from American to a country more your liking. >> as for English history, I know more then you think I do. > >One wouldn't think so by reading your posts. Coming from a defeatist American thats quite funny. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >> >Which simply means that you don't know much about the US, to go with your > >> >not knowing much about English history. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Then move from American to a country more your liking. Ah, the old "love it or leave it" line. I'm sorry to hear that it's made it's way to Britain. > >> as for English history, I know more then you think I do. > > > >One wouldn't think so by reading your posts. > > Coming from a defeatist American thats quite funny. I am not a defeatist. I am a realist. You, on the other hand... >> >> >Which simply means that you don't know much about the US, to go with >your [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Ah, the old "love it or leave it" line. I'm sorry to hear that it's made >it's way to Britain. If you don't like the way America has become leave, I'm sure you're place will soon be filled. >> >> as for English history, I know more then you think I do. >> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >I am not a defeatist. I am a realist. You, on the other hand... I belive you American's have a term called loser, which is what you are. I belive that America will bounce back as America always has. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >Ah, the old "love it or leave it" line. I'm sorry to hear that it's made > >it's way to Britain. > > If you don't like the way America has become leave, I'm sure you're > place will soon be filled. In a word, no. > >I am not a defeatist. I am a realist. You, on the other hand... > > I belive you American's have a term called loser, which is what you > are. I belive that America will bounce back as America always has. America will bounce back -- because of people like me. Not because of people like you. >> >Ah, the old "love it or leave it" line. I'm sorry to hear that it's made >> >it's way to Britain. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >In a word, no. Then quit you're hypcritical moaning. >> >I am not a defeatist. I am a realist. You, on the other hand... >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >America will bounce back -- because of people like me. Not because of >people like you. You think America is going down the pan. And I'm not an American, so whats you're logic with 'Not because of people like you'? Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >> >Ah, the old "love it or leave it" line. I'm sorry to hear that it's made > >> >it's way to Britain. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Then quit you're hypcritical moaning. Quite simply, I've no idea what you're talking about. I am neither moaning, nor being hypocritical. And I know how to spell your. > >> >I am not a defeatist. I am a realist. You, on the other hand... > >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > You think America is going down the pan. And I'm not an American, so > whats you're logic with 'Not because of people like you'? America _is_ going "down the pan". And it _will_ bounce back. And we have LOTS of people like you in the US. Unfortunately. Drew >> >> >Ah, the old "love it or leave it" line. I'm sorry to hear that it's >made [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >Quite simply, I've no idea what you're talking about. I am neither moaning, >nor being hypocritical. You're whining on about America going to the dog's, we'll if the country is in such a state then piss off to another country more to you're liking, if you're not prepaired to do that, then shut-the-f.ck-up. >And I know how to spell your. > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > >And we have LOTS of people like you in the US. Unfortunately. I'm not an American. :-) Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > You're whining on about America going to the dog's, we'll if the > country is in such a state then piss off to another country more to > you're liking, if you're not prepaired to do that, then > shut-the-f.ck-up. And you'll guarantee that when the USA implodes economically it won't effect the rest of us? SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com >>You're whining on about America going to the dog's, we'll if the >>country is in such a state then piss off to another country more to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And you'll guarantee that when the USA implodes economically it won't > effect the rest of us? You're an editor. You mean "affect", surely? Or "won't have an effect"? Renia > You're an editor. You mean "affect", surely? Or "won't have an effect"? Thank you. You don't want a part-time job doing some sub-editing ... ? ;-) SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com >>You're an editor. You mean "affect", surely? Or "won't have an effect"? > > Thank you. You don't want a part-time job doing some sub-editing ... ? ;-) From Greece? Hmm. Worth thinking about. Could go towards keeping me off newsgroups!! Renia > >>You're an editor. You mean "affect", surely? Or "won't have an effect"? > > > > Thank you. You don't want a part-time job doing some sub-editing ... ? > > ;-) > From Greece? Hmm. Worth thinking about. Could go towards keeping me off > newsgroups!! In that case - no chance. We need a touch of sanity here. ;-) SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com >>>>You're an editor. You mean "affect", surely? Or "won't have an effect"? >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > In that case - no chance. We need a touch of sanity here. ;-) Thank you. But only a touch? ;-) Renia >> You're whining on about America going to the dog's, we'll if the >> country is in such a state then piss off to another country more to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >And you'll guarantee that when the USA implodes economically it won't >effect the rest of us? It...will...not...happen. That would be 'un-American'. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > >Quite simply, I've no idea what you're talking about. I am neither moaning, > >nor being hypocritical. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > you're liking, if you're not prepaired to do that, then > shut-the-f.ck-up. That would be giving up. While I'm sure you depend on others to do that, rest assured, I do not. > >And we have LOTS of people like you in the US. Unfortunately. > > I'm not an American. :-) For which I am eternally grateful. But we have people like you here. For which I am eternally unhappy. >> >Quite simply, I've no idea what you're talking about. I am neither >moaning, [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >That would be giving up. While I'm sure you depend on others to do that, >rest assured, I do not. Then stop complaining. >> >And we have LOTS of people like you in the US. Unfortunately. >> >> I'm not an American. :-) > >For which I am eternally grateful. But we have people like you here. For >which I am eternally unhappy. What eternally optimistic, instead of depressingly pessimistic. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > as for English history, I know more then you think I do. On current evidence that's not going to be difficult. -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three >> as for English history, I know more then you think I do. > >On current evidence that's not going to be difficult. Coming from a leftie federalist supporting europhile thats quite funny. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > > Christopher suggests we trade with our former colonies of the Empire. > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Empire's gone, Chris, time to get with the programme. Unfortunately true, although I feel it could have worked wonderfully in the 1960s before we sold the Commonwealth members down the river. But full membership of Europe isn't our only choice. We could stop posturing on the world stage and become a rather pleasant nation of shopkeepers again. Surreyman >Christopher wrote... >>=20 [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > >Become a nation of bankers eh? Independent bankers, and manufactures... >> >and so we're stuck with Europe and our only >> >option is to either to get stuck in and take the lead=20 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >They need us just as we need them, and they know it.=20 So bang goes you're chain of logic they will shun us when we pull out of the eu. >> >or just accept the >> >role thrown at us by France and Germany. We spent the Thatcher years = [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >we don't even have any coal, steel or shipbuilding industries, fatal for = >an island nation! Japan manages well with no natural resources for an island nation, and Tiwan isn't on it's uppers. And Switzerland isn't on the bread line. > You won't like this Chris, but you'd better face it - thanks to Mrs = >Thatcher and the short sightedness of previous governments, we have = >almost nothing left to trade with and we can't go round pillaging any = >more - not allowed! So you suggest we go cap in hands to the USA? Call = >yourself a patriot? Huh! O yee of little faith in you're fellow country men and women. >You think we can live off insurance, banking, N Sea Oil and 'trade' do = >you? Look at the way the world is going and try again! We have to come = >to terms... join up or give up. Our good old options which worked so = >well) are now closed. > Open your eyes! Britain will have to face a decision when it's at the cross roads, a future as a mere province with no say in the direction it forced to take or a sovereign nation once again in charge of it's own self intrests. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > Britain will have to face a decision when it's at the cross roads, a > future as a mere province with no say in the direction it forced to > take or a sovereign nation once again in charge of it's own self > intrests. You keep sayin' that phrase. I don' think it means wha' you thin' it does... >> Britain will have to face a decision when it's at the cross roads, a >> future as a mere province with no say in the direction it forced to [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >You keep sayin' that phrase. I don' think it means wha' you thin' it >does... De Nile isn't just a river in Egypt. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill They need us just as we need them, and they know it. No they don't! Face up to reality. And do what? We have no Empire, we have no industry worth speaking of - we don't even have any coal, steel or shipbuilding industries, fatal for an island nation! You won't like this Chris, but you'd better face it - thanks to Mrs Thatcher and the short sightedness of previous governments, we have almost nothing left to trade with and we can't go round pillaging any more - not allowed! So you suggest we go cap in hands to the USA? Call yourself a patriot? Huh! You think we can live off insurance, banking, N Sea Oil and 'trade' do you? Look at the way the world is going and try again! We have to come to terms... join up or give up. Our good old options which worked so well) are now closed. Open your eyes! Come on! Are you really saying that the UK does not have ample resources to exist effectively, albeit along changed lines? Please! Surreyman >>>> Gonna increase your GDP by selling to South America? Japan? Africa? >>>> Yeah, right. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Or plow our own furrow like little Switzerland has done for half a > millenium. And we all know how right-wing the Swiss are......... > >and so we're stuck with Europe and our only option is to either to get > >stuck in and take the lead > LOL and you think the frogs and the germans are going to stand by and > let us. Grow up. We let the French and Germans take the lead. We were capable of pushing the EC into being a better organisation run more the way we wanted. Instead of being on par with France & germany (and we could easily have been first amongst equals) we chose to be on the sidelines throwing handbags. Wasted years. SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com >> >and so we're stuck with Europe and our only option is to either to get >> >stuck in and take the lead [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >We let the French and Germans take the lead. We were capable of pushing the >EC into being a better organisation run more the way we wanted. How would we have got rid of the corruption? Particularly with a majority voting system working against us? Mike .J.Powell > >> >and so we're stuck with Europe and our only option is to either to get > >> >stuck in and take the lead [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Mike > .J.Powell Without the rebate Maggie negotiated we would be net contributors of £9 billion to the EU, even with the rebate, we along with Germany are the largest contributors, about £3 billion each annually. France does very well out of the EU being a net gainer, but still wants our rebate stopped, also the EU army they envisage includes our nuclear arsenal, and of course the Queen will no longer be head of state or commander in chief. The Common Law will go along with jury trials, and control of our own economy if we joined the Euro, remember what happened when Major joined the ERM against Maggie's and Alan Waters advice. (I think John will find, that Kinnock was for anything that Maggie was against at the time.) Now when I voted to stay in the *Common Market* that Heath took us into, none of this was mentioned. Of course, if I was the only one who thought like this, TB would be calling a referendum on the new EU constitution tomorrow wouldn't he?, just about everyone else is having a referendum but not Britain, I wonder why. Btw, it's twaddle to suggest we couldn't make it on our own if we had to, there's the WTO and we would be sitting in the middle of the worlds two major trading blocks, at least until China swamps them both. Jamie > Now when I voted to stay in the *Common Market* that Heath took us into, > none of this was mentioned. And I voted against it. But your lot having the 2/3 majority I accepted that and expected subsequent governments to make the very best of the position that we were in. The Thacher government failed to provide **any** leadership at all and wasted our assets. SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com >> >and so we're stuck with Europe and our only option is to either to get >> >stuck in and take the lead [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >amongst equals) we chose to be on the sidelines throwing handbags. Wasted >years. ROFL Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill > That was a possibility right up to the referendum. That's why I voted for > us to ext the Common Market. It made sense for Britain to use its special [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > drift into stupidity. We can't regain the options open in 1979 but we can > stop it getting even worse. I generally agree with you. Except for the fact that I don't think our 'full' membership would alter anything about the stupidities. And especially when the stupidities of the dozen or so new members are enacted. I never thought I'd say this, but I feel that my preferences these days are for the UK to indeed become a Second World nation if that's the 'price' of keeping some degree of independence. Surreyman > > That was a possibility right up to the referendum. That's why I voted > > for us to ext the Common Market. It made sense for Britain to use its [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > stupidity. We can't regain the options open in 1979 but we can stop it > > getting even worse. > I generally agree with you. Except for the fact that I don't think our > 'full' membership would alter anything about the stupidities. I'm not saying it *will* - just that it *would have* had we worked at it full-time from the mid-seventies onwards. Now I don't think we have much option... > And especially when the stupidities of the dozen or so new members are > enacted. I never thought I'd say this, but I feel that my preferences > these days are for the UK to indeed become a Second World nation if > that's the 'price' of keeping some degree of independence. ...except for that! ;-( SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com > > There is a world outside europe's borders. Sensible people in the UK not wishing full membership of federal Europe do not wish, or need, to write off European trade. Don't be so bloody stupid. Surreyman >> > There is a world outside europe's borders. > >Sensible people in the UK not wishing full membership of federal Europe do >not wish, or need, to write off European trade. Don't be so bloody stupid. Well going by some of the replies I've had when we pull out of the eu they will shun us. Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill >>>> He was right, he's NOT a Tory or one of Maggie's Boys. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > and becoming an independent nation state again with all our sovereign > powers restored in Parliment. Typical load of Tory right-wing sensationalist bullshit. Keep Johnny Foreigner at a distance....... Britain belongs in Europe, we are Europeans. The Empire's long gone, Chris, or hadn't you noticed ? >>>>> He was right, he's NOT a Tory or one of Maggie's Boys. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >Typical load of Tory right-wing sensationalist bullshit. Typical knee jerk reaction to the truth by a pro-federalist leftie. >Keep Johnny Foreigner at a distance....... So he can't rule us. >Britain belongs in Europe, we are Europeans. Britain does not and we are not. >The Empire's long gone, Chris, or hadn't you noticed ? What's the former empire got to do with it? Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winston Churchill >> Typical load of Tory right-wing sensationalist bullshit. > > Typical knee jerk reaction to the truth by a pro-federalist leftie. UKIP Candidates - Which one is you, Christopher ? Local Elections: C. Caffin - Mid Devon C. Tett - Milton Keynes C. Shaw - Milton keynes EU Elections: (Strange, I thought they were against the EU) C. Kingsley - West Midlands. C. Kingsley also stands as a candidate in the General Election at Leominster General Election: C. Laurence - Bedford Mid C. Silcock - Buckingham C.Brown - Weybridge C. Shepherd - Thurrock C. Cooke - Wycombe Malcolm C Wood - Salisbury Let me know, and I'll come and stand against you. Crap web site by the way, so's the Party Manifesto. Michael W Cook wrote... > >> Typical load of Tory right-wing sensationalist bullshit. > > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > > Crap web site by the way, so's the Party Manifesto. Absolute shite aren't they! Can anyone who doesn't drink seriously expect to be elected? Of course, I'm biased, as I had Screming Lord Sutch in my hearse once.... I'd rather vote for him any day than those watery neonazi ****holes! Cheers Martin >Michael W Cook wrote... >>=20 [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>=20 >> Crap web site by the way, so's the Party Manifesto. Well you are a pro federalist, so thats to be expected from you. >Absolute shite aren't they! >Can anyone who doesn't drink seriously expect to be elected?=20 [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Cheers > Martin Christopher +++++++++++++++++++++++++ "Kites rise highest against the wind - not with it." Winsto |
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