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History Forum / General / British History / March 2006The "Special Relationship"
Yes, Renia Simmonds, our expatriatrix Brit in Athens, is definitely goosey about the Special Relationship Britain has with the United States -- in common with many other Wavering Brits. But she dare not comment on her gooseiness too openly -- lest she damage her "hubby's" business interests. 'Nuff Said. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor > Yes, Renia Simmonds, our expatriatrix Brit in Athens, is definitely goosey > about the Special Relationship Britain has with the United States -- in [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > her > "hubby's" business interests. The only 'Special Relationship' was in the mind of Winston Churchill, because of his 'Mommy' > 'Nuff Said. Yes, well, that's one of my points. Many Brits simply no longer believe in The Special Relationship nowadays. Further, many Americans don't believe in it either -- because they have no British ancestors. I've seen the SR decline markedly just in my own lifetime and the trends will probably continue. As more Americans become acutely aware of how deeply Anti-American many Brits are -- the SR will continue to deteriorate -- not to disappear completely to be sure -- but weakened and far less important. DSH >> Yes, Renia Simmonds, our expatriatrix Brit in Athens, is definitely >> goosey about the Special Relationship Britain has with the United [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >> 'Nuff Said. I do not believe most British people are anti American,some people are anti some American policies,but that is often either ignorance or just trying to be trendy. Many people in America are anti some American policies,I take it you still talk to them. I think most British people like Americans,it is just sometimes we don't understand their point of view. I work in the railway industry in Scotland and have often seen Americans say what at first seem like stupid and insulting things about Scotland and the UK,this is often down to culture shock on behalf of the visitors. I can never understand why American visitors to Britain behave as if they are in Poland,they do not seem to realise that we speak English and if you ask for help most people will give it. It works both ways,it has been a long time since 1776 but still many Americans seem to have something against the UK,this is often from people who know the least about Britain. The idea that the special relationship has anything to do with having British ancestors is just daft,Britain never provided the majority of migrants to the US,especially not since 1900,the relationship was based on shared values,language and the experience of working together at a military and political level. If anybody doubts there is some sort of relationship still existing look at who so often stands alongside the US,it is most likely to be the UK,not France,Germany or Japan. > As more Americans become acutely aware of how deeply Anti-American many > Brits are The vast majority of people in the UK are pro USA. They may well be anti-Bush, and object to loud-mouthed ignoramouses - but such are surely are a very small percentage of USAians. Whilst DSH may receive many hostile responses this is hardly likely to be typical.  SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com 0845 006 8822 Qercus magazine FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 www.finnybank.com Qercus - the best guide to RISC OS computing > Yes, well, that's one of my points. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Brits are -- the SR will continue to deteriorate -- not to disappear > completely to be sure -- but weakened and far less important. Well American have always been Anti-British, so whats so suprising about that? It never was a "Special" Relationship, Britain has special relations with Canada, Australia/New Zealand and the Commonwealth. It should be described more as "Friendship" more than a "Special Relationship" > Yes, well, that's one of my points. > > Many Brits simply no longer believe in The Special Relationship nowadays. That's OK. If what you say is true, then I see it as a sign of peace. If something serious happens, to either one of us, I have no doubt that we will pull together again. Like it or not, the US is a child of the old British Empire and that makes us family. More importantly, we both realize that france is the real enemy. Hehe. > Further, many Americans don't believe in it either -- because they have no > British ancestors. The US is certainly more culturally diverse than it used to be, but an Americanized version of British culture remains dominant, and likely will remain so for the foreseeable future. My point is that most children of immigrants to the US integrate into our society very well, and they grow up in a society that is warm to the UK. I work with a Woman from Mexico who has watched the Colin Firth version of Pride and Prejudice so many times that she nearly has it memorized, and not surprisingly, she has given her daughters the very English names of Elizabeth and Prudence (Gonzales). Her concept of how a gentleman behaves is based on Jane Austen movies. Think about THAT for a minute. > I've seen the SR decline markedly just in my own lifetime and the trends > will probably continue. It will certainly continue as long as we are at peace. > As more Americans become acutely aware of how deeply Anti-American many > Brits are -- the SR will continue to deteriorate -- not to disappear > completely to be sure -- but weakened and far less important. I'm not concerned about a split between the UK and the US because I believe that we will continue to pull together in times of crisis, and that is what is important to me. What I find much more interesting is the split between the US and france. That is one split that I sincerely hope lasts forever. >> Yes, well, that's one of my points. >> >> Many Brits simply no longer believe in The Special Relationship nowadays. Well Spence, Red Ken has just called the US Ambassador a "chiselling little crook" :-)) http://edition.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/europe/03/27/britain.mayor.ap/ If you have a spare F-22 Raptor, I will give you the coordinates, Red Ken's that is :-)) Jamie <G> Jamie, I personally bear no ill will against the Brits overall and hope the Special Relationship endures in spite of all the problems. You Brits have your nutters, such as Red Ken, just as we Americans have ours -- for example, you seem to have just about the same percentage of Nutter Academics and Politicos as we do. My favorites are the ones who say -- "I support the troops, just not what they are doing -- their mission." But I realize there are many, many Real Brits, such as yourself, so I'm not despairing or giving in to Chicken-Little Fantasies. DSH >>> Yes, well, that's one of my points. >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Jamie > Yes, Renia Simmonds, our expatriatrix Brit in Athens, is definitely goosey > about the Special Relationship Britain has with the United States -- in > common with many other Wavering Brits. > > But she dare not comment on her gooseiness too openly -- lest she damage her > "hubby's" business interests. What? You gotta laugh. Hubby's business interests? What has that got to do with the price of eggs? Except, DSH is now fishing to find out what hubby does for a living. He's a shipbroker. Nothing to do with the US at all. Utter Twaddle... Renia Simmonds, our Brit expatriatrix, has made no secret of her "hubby's" business for YEARS. And she is still in Denial with respect to her feelings about the Special Relationship. Not Surprising In The Least... DSH > Except, DSH is now fishing to find out what hubby does for a living. > Utter Twaddle... > > Renia Simmonds, our Brit expatriatrix, has made no secret of her "hubby's" > business for YEARS. Right, so what made you connect it with the Special Relationship? > And she is still in Denial with respect to her feelings about the Special > Relationship. What on earth makes you think I am against the Special Relationship? > Not Surprising In The Least... > > DSH > >>Except, DSH is now fishing to find out what hubby does for a living. > Yes, Renia Simmonds, our expatriatrix Brit in Athens, is definitely goosey > about the Special Relationship Britain has with the United States -- in > common with many other Wavering Brits. > > But she dare not comment on her gooseiness too openly -- lest she damage her > "hubby's" business interests. What is gooseiness (sp?) anyway? I'm all in favour of our Special Relationship with the US. The US and UK have similar attitudes. The problem with the US, is its ignorance by which it does not see the world quite as the UK sees it. Conversely, that may be true the other way round. Therein lies the problem. The other problem with the US, is it sees everything with a Game Boy attitude. And that's what the UK doesn't approve of. <snip> TROLL ALERT ----------------------- The above posting is a waste of space and bandwidth, you are requested to ignore it totally. if however you really MUST respond remove sci.military.naval from the headers. Do NOT feed the Trolls, one warning is enough, further messages only reinforce the desire for attention that provides motivation. "I'm all in favour of our Special Relationship with the US. The US and UK have similar attitudes." Renia Simmonds -- Brit expatriatrix in Athens "The problem with the US, is its ignorance by which it does not see the world quite as the UK sees it. Conversely, that may be true the other way round. Therein lies the problem." Renia Simmonds -- Brit expatriatrix in Athens Hilarious! The United States, as Top Nation, is simply carrying out the same role that Britain carried out when it was Top Nation from 1815 to 1914 -- then went into steep decline over the next 50 years. In 1947, with a wimpy-wussy Labour Government in the saddle in London and a British People no longer willing to shoulder the burden, Britain dropped the bricks in Greece and Turkey and passed the baton to the United States. "The other problem with the US, is it sees everything with a Game Boy attitude. And that's what the UK doesn't approve of." Renia Simmonds -- Brit expatriatrix in Athens This is an enduring fantasy Renia savours. She thinks Americans are all too violent and immature to be trusted with firearms of any sort. She also thinks Americans all see Modern Warfare as just another video game and that our soldiers and marines are all too "trigger happy". These anserine, asinine, cuniculan-pygan fantasies are shared by many Europeans who are just as ignorant of America as is Renia -- who has only made short forays, from a cruise ship, to New York City, Miami and New Orleans. 'Nuff Said. D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor "I'm all in favour of our Special Relationship with the US. The US and UK have similar attitudes." Renia Simmonds -- Brit expatriatrix in Athens "The problem with the US, is its ignorance by which it does not see the world quite as the UK sees it. Conversely, that may be true the other way round. Therein lies the problem." Renia Simmonds -- Brit expatriatrix in Athens Hilarious! The United States, as Top Nation, is simply carrying out the same role that Britain carried out when it was Top Nation from 1815 to 1914 -- then went into steep decline over the next 50 years. In 1947, with a wimpy-wussy Labour Government in the saddle in London and a British People no longer willing to shoulder the burden, Britain dropped the bricks in Greece and Turkey and passed the baton to the United States. "The other problem with the US, is it sees everything with a Game Boy attitude. And that's what the UK doesn't approve of." Renia Simmonds -- Brit expatriatrix in Athens This is an enduring fantasy Renia savours. She thinks Americans are all too violent and immature to be trusted with firearms of any sort. She also thinks Americans all see Modern Warfare as just another video game and that our soldiers and marines are all too "trigger happy". Dead Wrong On All Counts... These anserine, asinine, cuniculan-pygan fantasies are shared by many Europeans who are just as ignorant of America as is Renia -- who has only made short forays, from a cruise ship, to New York City, Miami and New Orleans. 'Nuff Said. D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor |
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