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1746: Falkirk-Hawley OOB?

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HoneyBadger - 19 Apr 2006 23:20 GMT
Anyone know where I can look up the details of Hawley's
Order of Battle and where the individual units within his
command came from or what their prior history was?
Any help appreciated!

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ray o'hara - 20 Apr 2006 00:05 GMT
> Anyone know where I can look up the details of Hawley's
> Order of Battle and where the individual units within his
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here.
http://www.britishbattles.com/
HoneyBadger - 20 Apr 2006 00:39 GMT
>>Anyone know where I can look up the details of Hawley's
>>Order of Battle and where the individual units within his
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> here.
> http://www.britishbattles.com/

Thanks for the response. I had seen this, but apart from the map it's
not very detailed though and doesn't give much of the background to the
units. or details on each unit, where they had just come from
etc

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ray o'hara - 20 Apr 2006 00:57 GMT
> >>Anyone know where I can look up the details of Hawley's
> >>Order of Battle and where the individual units within his
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once you know the units {and they are listed} you can do further searches.
are you one of those who wants others to do all your research.
HoneyBadger - 20 Apr 2006 02:49 GMT
>>>>Anyone know where I can look up the details of Hawley's
>>>>Order of Battle and where the individual units within his
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>  once you know the units {and they are listed} you can do further searches.
> are you one of those who wants others to do all your research.

Not at all, just looking for references and not neccessarily
on the internet either. I actually expect most of it to be
in books.

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Charles Ellson - 20 Apr 2006 02:02 GMT
>Anyone know where I can look up the details of Hawley's
>Order of Battle and where the individual units within his
>command came from or what their prior history was?
>Any help appreciated!

Post-Union and military would usually point you toward the National
Archives at Kew.
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HoneyBadger - 20 Apr 2006 02:49 GMT
>>Anyone know where I can look up the details of Hawley's
>>Order of Battle and where the individual units within his
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> Post-Union and military would usually point you toward the National
> Archives at Kew.

Thanks a lot!

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The Highlander - 20 Apr 2006 11:23 GMT
>Anyone know where I can look up the details of Hawley's
>Order of Battle and where the individual units within his
>command came from or what their prior history was?
>Any help appreciated!

The War Office's records section in London would be a good start.
General "Hangman" Hawley has not been forgotten in the Highlands.

For records held in Scotland
http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/military.asp

For general British military records
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/

Regimental museums sometimes have useful records.

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HoneyBadger - 20 Apr 2006 12:18 GMT
>>Anyone know where I can look up the details of Hawley's
>>Order of Battle and where the individual units within his
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> The War Office's records section in London would be a good start.
> General "Hangman" Hawley has not been forgotten in the Highlands.

Indeed. Thanks for the information, I appreciate it.

> For records held in Scotland
> http://www.nas.gov.uk/guides/military.asp
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> The views expressed in this post are  
> not necessarily those of The Highlander.

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Joe Osman - 20 Apr 2006 13:36 GMT
> >>Anyone know where I can look up the details of Hawley's
> >>Order of Battle and where the individual units within his
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There's a list in "Jacobite Rebellions, 1689-1745 ", by Michael
Barthorp, Osprey Publishing (1982). The account in "The Thin Yellow
Line" by William Moore, Wordsworth Editions (1999) gives the names and
numbers of the British and Irish Regiments involved as well as Hawley's
hangings afterward.

The account in "Annals of the Wars of the Eighteenth Century " by
Edward Cust, J. Murray (1869) names the regiments (by the colonels's
name) involved on page 69-70. A little more detailed account is in
"History of England" by Philip Henry Stanhope, Little, Brown and
company (1853), pp. 286-290. He writes "Two of the dragoon regiments,
the same that had fled at the Coltbridge and at Preston, being now well
skilled and experienced in that military operation, repeated it on this
occasion." These were the Irish 13th and 14th Dragoons. It's strange
that according to Moore's book "The Thin Yellow Line", Hawley only hung
soldier's from the Foot Regiments that ran away. There's a more
detailed account from the Jacobite side in "Jacobite Memoirs of the
Rebellion of 1745" by Robert Forbes,W. & R. Chambers (1834) These last
three are on-line and searchable at Google Books
(http://books.google.com)

Joe
HoneyBadger - 20 Apr 2006 14:08 GMT
>>>>Anyone know where I can look up the details of Hawley's
>>>>Order of Battle and where the individual units within his
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> three are on-line and searchable at Google Books
> (http://books.google.com)

Thanks so much!
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