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D. Spencer Hines - 27 Jul 2006 22:58 GMT

"Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'"

"Canadian wrote of militia's presence, 'necessity' of bombing"

Joel Kom, with files from Steven Edwards, CanWest News Service

The Ottawa Citizen

Thursday, July 27, 2006

"The words of a Canadian United Nations observer written just days
before he was killed in an Israeli bombing of a UN post in Lebanon are
evidence Hezbollah was using the post as a "shield" to fire rockets into
Israel, says a former UN commander in Bosnia.

Those words, written in an e-mail dated just nine days ago, offer a
possible explanation as to why the post -- which according to UN officials
was clearly marked and known to Israeli forces -- was hit by Israel on
Tuesday night, said retired Maj.-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie yesterday.

The strike hit the UN observation post in the southern Lebanese
village of El Khiam, killing Canadian Maj. Paeta Hess-von Kruedener and
three others serving as unarmed UN military observers in the area.

Just last week, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener wrote an e-mail about his
experiences after nine months in the area, words Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie said
are an obvious allusion to Hezbollah tactics.

"What I can tell you is this," he wrote in an e-mail to CTV dated July
18. "We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position has
come under direct or indirect fire from both (Israeli) artillery and aerial
bombing.

"The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters (sic) of our
position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters (sic)
from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but rather due
to tactical necessity."

Those words, particularly the last sentence, are not-so-veiled
language indicating Israeli strikes were aimed at Hezbollah targets near the
post, said Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie.

"What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters
running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using us
for shields and then engaging the (Israeli Defence Forces)," he said.

That would mean Hezbollah was purposely setting up near the UN post,
he added. It's a tactic Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie, who was the first UN commander
in Sarajevo during the Bosnia civil war, said he's seen in past
international missions: Aside from UN posts, fighters would set up near
hospitals, mosques and orphanages.

A Canadian Forces infantry officer with the Edmonton-based Princess
Patricia's Canadian Light Infantry and the only Canadian serving as a UN
military observer in Lebanon, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener was no stranger to
fighting nearby.

The UN post, he wrote in the e-mail, afforded a view of the "Hezbollah
static positions in and around our patrol Base."

"It appears that the lion's share of fighting between the IDF and
Hezbollah has taken place in our area," he wrote, noting later it was too
dangerous to venture out on patrols.

The e-mail appears to contradict the UN's claim there had been no
Hezbollah activity in the vicinity of the strike.

The question of Hezbollah's infiltration of the area is significant
because UN Secretary General Kofi Annan, speaking Tuesday just hours after
the bombing, accused the Israelis of the "apparently deliberate targeting"
of the base near Khiam in southern Lebanon.

A senior UN official, asked about the information contained in Maj.
Hess-von Kruedener's e-mail concerning Hezbollah presence in the vicinity of
the Khiam base, denied the world body had been caught in a contradiction.

"At the time, there had been no Hezbollah activity reported in the
area," he said. "So it was quite clear they were not going after other
targets; that, for whatever reason, our position was being fired upon.

"Whether or not they thought they were going after something else, we
don't know. The fact was, we told them where we were. They knew where we
were. The position was clearly marked, and they pounded the hell out of us."

Even if Hezbollah was not firing rockets at the time of the bombing,
Maj. Hess-von Kruedener's e-mail indicates they were using a terrorist
tactic of purposely drawing out enemy forces near a neutral site, said
retired Capt. Peter Forsberg, who did two UN tours between 1993 and 1995
during the Bosnian war.

The UN's limited mandate, meaning that its observers are unarmed and
have few options, put the observers in a poor position, he said.

If indeed Israel was attempting to hit Hezbollah fighters in the area,
it hasn't yet used the excuse to explain its actions because it wouldn't
make it any less guilty in the world's eyes, Capt. Forsberg said."
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DSH

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princeandy - 27 Jul 2006 23:36 GMT

They dont have to, they use their army to shoot, run over and mistreat
physically and sexually helpless children. What can a Palestinian do when
the mighty money contributing yanks cannot protect their citizens.

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/79400p-72974c.html
One guy gets 10 years, the other gets a raise and promotion??

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/01AA7ECA-7018-447B-A10D-9E4139D4788A.
htm
_
American and Australian shot by Israelis
Chris McGreal talks to the relatives of three British and American victims
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1066817,00.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1066817,00.html
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,916299,00.html
http://www.omjp.org/rachelphotos.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8853425952359751341&q=Palestinian+p
eople

http://www.nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html
http://www.palestinefacts.org/index.php
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/story-2003112917164320.htm
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/IsraelsTortureBan.html

> "Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'"
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> was clearly marked and known to Israeli forces -- was hit by Israel on
> Tuesday night, said retired Maj.-Gen. Lewis MacKenzie yesterday.

ALSO SPOKE TO THEM FOR TEN(10) DAYS PREVIOUS ABOUT THE FACT THEY WERE GOING
TO KILL un OBSERVERS.

> The strike hit the UN observation post in the southern Lebanese
> village of El Khiam, killing Canadian Maj. Paeta Hess-von Kruedener and
> three others serving as unarmed UN military observers in the area.

Fees for evac.
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/07/18/lebanon.evacuation/

Right-Wing Attacks American Evacuees: 'Ingrates,' 'Whining,' 'Spoiled-Rotten
Little Children'
Israel's original sin
http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/Aug102005/editpage162334200589.asp
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/kidnap.htm

Apparently they should be as happy as they are that their fellow israelis
are bombing them. The chickenhawks now showing their brave side.
http://pseudojournalist.blogspot.com/2006/07/americans-trapped-in-lebanon.ht
ml

The Bush administration's evacuation of Americans in Lebanon has been
disorganized and lagged behind the efforts of other countries. As of
yesterday, only a few thousand had been able to evacuate, and they departed
"two days after the first Europeans left on ships." Denmark, for example,
"evacuated more than 4,000 of its citizens" by Thursday.
Conservatives have reacted to this incompetence by attacking the evacuees:
http://thinkprogress.org/2006/07/21/right-wing-evacuees/
http://gmroper.mu.nu/archives/187407.php
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/news_theswamp/2006/07/americans_trapp.ht
ml
http://pseudojournalist.blogspot.com/2006/07/americans-trapped-in-lebanon.ht
ml

KILLINGS AT A BEACH PICNIC.
http://www.ogrish.com/archives/israeli_artillery_kills_seven_members_of_a_pa
lestinian_family_Jun_10_2006.html

Lebanon
http://lebanonheartblogs.blogspot.com/2006/07/warning-strong-pictures.html

"At a daily rate of $8.10, hospitalized troops, including those wounded in
Iraq and Afghanistan, are being charged for their meals
http://www.antiwar.com/barganier/ba091503.html

UN urges Israel halt 'violations'
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/5154594.stm

GENEVA - A UN human rights expert on Wednesday criticized the United States,
European Union, Russia and the United Nations for ignoring countless Israeli
violations of human rights, international law and other standards.
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/735109.html

Palestinian prisoners
http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/93C55FF6-C6D3-491F-9E67-48AEDEFFB4A6.
htm
Thursday 04 December 2003, 19:15 Makka Time, 16:15 GMT
A woman holds portraits of her relatives who are in Israeli jails

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/14029827/
BEIRUT, Lebanon - An Israeli bomb destroyed a U.N. observer post on the
border in southern Lebanon Tuesday, killing three observers and leaving
another feared dead,

http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/mod/1947UN181.html
Resolution 181
http://www.mideastweb.org/181.htm

http://www.nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html#thewall

A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel" Here is a list of UN resolutions
that Israel has not complied with, far more than Iraq. Note that she has
also illegally developed nuclear weapons. Further, the situation is far
worse than would at first appear, it involves the serious distortion of the
official Security Council record by the profligate use by the United States
of its veto power. (See Table) Israel's, defiance goes back to its very
beginnings. This collection of resolutions criticizing Israel is unmatched
by the record of any other nation as Israel stands in violation of more UN
resolutions than ANY OTHER NATION ON EARTH.

A list of UN Resolutions against "Israel" 1955-1992: *
Resolution 106: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for Gaza raid". *
Resolution 111: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for raid on Syria that killed
fifty-six people". * Resolution 127: " . . . 'recommends' Israel suspends
it's 'no-man's zone' in Jerusalem". *
Resolution 162: " . . . 'urges' Israel to comply with UN decisions". *
Resolution 171: " . . . determines flagrant violations' by Israel in its
attack on Syria". Resolution 228: " . . . 'censures' Israel for its attack
on Samu in the West Bank, then under Jordanian control". *
Resolution 237: " . . . 'urges' Israel to allow return of new 1967
Palestinian refugees". Resolution 248: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for its
massive attack on Karameh in Jordan". *
Resolution 250: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to refrain from holding military
parade in Jerusalem". *
Resolution 251: " . . . 'deeply deplores' Israeli military parade in
Jerusalem in defiance of Resolution 250". *
Resolution 252: " . . . 'declares invalid' Israel's acts to unify Jerusalem
as Jewish capital". *
Resolution 256: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli raids on Jordan as 'flagrant
violation". * Resolution 259: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to accept
UN mission to probe occupation". *
Resolution 262: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for attack on Beirut airport". *
Resolution 265: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks for Salt in
Jordan". * Resolution 267: " . . . 'censures' Israel for administrative acts
to change the status of Jerusalem". *
Resolution 270: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for air attacks on villages in
southern Lebanon". *
Resolution 271: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's failure to obey UN resolutions
on Jerusalem". *
Resolution 279: " . . . 'demands' withdrawal of Israeli forces from
Lebanon". * Resolution 280: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli's attacks against
Lebanon". *
Resolution 285: " . . . 'demands' immediate Israeli withdrawal form
Lebanon". * Resolution 298: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's changing of the
status of Jerusalem". * Resolution 313: " . . . 'demands' that Israel stop
attacks against Lebanon". * Resolution 316: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for
repeated attacks on Lebanon". * Resolution 317: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's
refusal to release Arabs abducted in Lebanon". *
Resolution 332: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's repeated attacks against
Lebanon". * Resolution 337: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for violating
Lebanon's sovereignty". * Resolution 347: " . . . 'condemns' Israeli attacks
on Lebanon". *
Resolution 425: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw its forces from
Lebanon". * Resolution 427: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to complete its
withdrawal from Lebanon. * Resolution 444: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's lack
of cooperation with UN peacekeeping forces". *
Resolution 446: " . . . 'determines' that Israeli settlements are a 'serious
obstruction' to peace and calls on Israel to abide by the Fourth Geneva
Convention". *
Resolution 450: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacking Lebanon". *
Resolution 452: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to cease building settlements in
occupied territories". *
Resolution 465: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's settlements and asks all member
states not to assist Israel's settlements program". *
Resolution 467: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's military intervention
in Lebanon". * Resolution 468: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to rescind illegal
expulsions of two Palestinian mayors and a judge and to facilitate their
return". *
Resolution 469: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's failure to observe the
council's order not to deport Palestinians". *
Resolution 471: " . . . 'expresses deep concern' at Israel's failure to
abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention". *
Resolution 476: " . . . 'reiterates' that Israel's claim to Jerusalem are
'null and void'". * Resolution 478: " . . . 'censures (Israel) in the
strongest terms' for its claim to Jerusalem in its 'Basic Law'". *
Resolution 484: " . . . 'declares it imperative' that Israel re- admit two
deported Palestinian mayors". *
Resolution 487: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel for its attack on Iraq's
nuclear facility". *
Resolution 497: " . . . 'decides' that Israel's annexation of Syria's Golan
Heights is 'null and void' and demands that Israel rescinds its decision
forthwith". *
Resolution 498: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to withdraw from Lebanon". *
Resolution 501: " . . . 'calls' on Israel to stop attacks against Lebanon
and withdraw its troops". *
Resolution 509: " . . . 'demands' that Israel withdraw its forces forthwith
and unconditionally from Lebanon". *
Resolution 515: " . . . 'demands' that Israel lift its siege of Beirut and
allow food supplies to be brought in". *
Resolution 517: " . . . 'censures' Israel for failing to obey UN resolutions
and demands that Israel withdraw its forces from Lebanon". *
Resolution 518: " . . . 'demands' that Israel cooperate fully with UN forces
in Lebanon". *
Resolution 520: " . . . 'condemns' Israel's attack into West Beirut". *
Resolution 573: " . . . 'condemns' Israel 'vigorously' for bombing Tunisia
in attack on PLO headquarters. *
Resolution 587: " . . . 'takes note' of previous calls on Israel to withdraw
its forces from Lebanon and urges all parties to withdraw". *
Resolution 592: " . . . 'strongly deplores' the killing of Palestinian
students at Bir Zeit University by Israeli troops". *
Resolution 605: " . . . 'strongly deplores' Israel's policies and practices
denying the human rights of Palestinians. *
Resolution 607: " . . . 'calls' on Israel not to deport Palestinians and
strongly requests it to abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention. *
Resolution 608: " . . . 'deeply regrets' that Israel has defied the United
Nations and deported Palestinian civilians". *
Resolution 636: " . . . 'deeply regrets' Israeli deportation of Palestinian
civilians. * Resolution 641: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's continuing
deportation of Palestinians. * Resolution 672: " . . . 'condemns' Israel for
violence against Palestinians at the Haram al-Sharif/Temple Mount. *
Resolution 673: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's refusal to cooperate with the
United Nations. Resolution 681: " . . . 'deplores' Israel's resumption of
the deportation of Palestinians. * Resolution 694: " . . . 'deplores'
Israel's deportation of Palestinians and calls on it to ensure their safe
and immediate return. *
Resolution 726: " . . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's deportation of
Palestinians. * Resolution 799: ". . . 'strongly condemns' Israel's
deportation of 413 Palestinians and calls for there immediate return.
1993 to 1995UNGA Res 50/21 - The Middle East Peace Process (Dec 12, 1995)
UNGA Res 50/22 - The Situation in the Middle East (Dec 12,
1995) UNGA Res 49/35 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995)
lUNGA Res 49/36 - Human Rights of Palestinian Refugees (Jan 30 1995) UNGA
Res 49/62 - Question of Palestine (Feb 3 1995) UNGA Res 49/78 - Nuclear
Proliferation in Mideast (Jan 11 1995) UNGA Res 49/87 - Situation in the
Middle East (Feb 7 1995) UNGA Res 49/88 - The Middle East Peace Process (Feb
7 1995) UNGA Res 49/149- Palestinian Right- Self-Determination (Feb 7 1995)
UNGA Res 48/213 - Assistance to Palestinian Refugees (Mar 15, 1994) UNGA Res
48/40 - UNRWA for Palestinian Refugees (Dec 13, 1993) UNGA Res 48/41 - Human
Rights in the Territories (Dec 10 1993) UNGA Res 48/58 - The Middle East
Peace Process (Dec 14 1993) UNGA Res 48/59 - The Situation in the Middle
East (Dec 14 1993) UNGA Res 48/71 - Nuclear-Weapon-Free Zone in Mideast (Dec
16 1993) UNGA Res 48/78 - Israeli Nuclear Armament (Dec 16 1993) UNGA Res
48/94 - Self-Determination & Independence (Dec 20 1993) UNGA Res 48/124-
Non-interference in Elections (Dec 20 1993) UNGA Res 48/158- Question of
Palestine (Dec 20 1993) UNGA Res 48/212- Repercussions of Israeli
Settlements (Dec 21 1993) ==========+++===========
U.S. Vetoes of UN Resolutions Critical of Israel (1972-2002)
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Vetoes: 1972-1982 Subject Date & Meeting US Rep Casting Veto Vote Palestine:
Syrian-Lebanese Complaint. 3 power draft resolution 2/10784 9/10/1972 Bush
13-1, 1 Palestine: Examination of Middle East Situation. 8-power draft
resolution (S/10974) 7/2/1973 Scali 13-1, 0 (China not partic.) Palestine:
Egyptian-Lebanese Complaint. 5-power draft power resolution (S/11898)
12/8/1975 Moynihan 13-1, 1 Palestine: Middle East Problem, including
Palestinian question. 6- power draft resolution (S/11940) 1/26/1976 Moynihan
9-1,3 (China & Libya not partic.) Palestine: Situation in Occupied Arab
Territories. 5-power draft resolution (S/12022) 3/25/1976 Scranton 14-1,0
Palestine: Report on Committee on Rights of Palestinian People. 4- power
draft resolution (S/121119) 6/29/1976 Sherer 10-1,4 Palestine: Palestinian
Rights. Tunisian draft resolution. (S/13911) 4/30/1980 McHenry 10-1,4
Palestine: Golan Heights. Jordan draft resolution. (S/14832/Rev. 2)
1/20/1982 Kirkpatrick 9-1,5 Palestine: Situation in Occupied Territories,
Jordan draft resolution (S/14943) 4/2/1982 Lichenstein 13-1,1 Palestine:
Incident at the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem. 4-power draft resolution
4/20/1982 Kirpatrick 14-1, 0 Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. Spain draft
resolution. (S/15185) 6/8/1982 Kirpatrick 14-1,0 Palestine: Conflict in
Lebanon. France draft resolution. (S/15255/Rev. 2) 6/26/1982 Lichenstein
14-1 Palestine: Conflict in Lebanon. USSR draft resolution. (S/15347/Rev. 1,
as orally amended) 8/6/1982 Lichenstein 11-1,3 Palestine: Situation in
Occupied Territories, 20-power draft resolution (S/15895) 8/2/1983
Lichenstein 13-1,1 Security Council Vetoes/Negative voting 1983-present
Subject Date Vote Occupied Arab Territories: Wholesale condemnation of
Israeli settlement policies - not adopted 1983 S. Lebanon: Condemns Israeli
action in southern Lebanon. S/16732 9/6/1984 Vetoed: 13-1 (U.S.), with 1
abstention (UK) Occupied Territories: Deplores "repressive measures" by
Israel against Arab population. S/19459. 9/13/1985 Vetoed: 10-1 (U.S.), with
4 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, UK, France) Lebanon: Condemns Israeli
practices against civilians in southern Lebanon. S/17000. 3/12/1985 Vetoed:
11-1 (U.S.), with 3 abstentions (Australia, Denmark, UK) Occupied
Territories: Calls upon Israel to respect Muslim holy places. S/17769/Rev. 1
1/30/1986 Vetoed: 13-1 (US), with one abstention (Thailand) Lebanon:
Condemns Israeli practices against civilians in southern Lebanon.
S/17730/Rev. 2. 1/17/1986 Vetoed: 11-1 (U.S.), with 3 abstentions
(Australia, Denmark, UK) Libya/Israel: Condemns Israeli interception of
Libyan plane. S/17796/Rev. 1. 2/6/1986 Vetoed: 10 -1 (US), with 4
abstentions (Australia, Denmark, France, UK) Lebanon: Draft strongly
deplored repeated Israeli attacks against Lebanese territory and other
measures and practices against the civilian population; (S/19434) 1/18/1988
vetoed 13-1 (US), with 1 abstention (UK) Lebanon: Draft condemned recent
invasion by Israeli forces of Southern Lebanon and Draft condemned recent
invasion by Israeli forces of Southern Lebanon and repeated a call for the
immediate withdrawal of all Israeli forces from Lebanese territory;
(S/19868) 5/10/1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Lebanon: Draft strongly deplored the
recent Israeli attack against Lebanese territory on 9 December 1988;
(S/20322) 12/14/1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Draft called on
Israel to accept de jure applicability of the 4th Geneva Convention;
(S/19466) 1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Draft urged Israel to
abide by the Fourth Geneva Convention, rescind the order to deport
Palestinian civilians, and condemned policies and practices of Israel that
violate the human rights of the Palestinian people in the occupied
territories; (S/19780) 1988 vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Strongly
deplored Israeli policies and practices in the occupied territories, and
strongly deplored also Israel's continued disregard of relevant Security
Council decisions. 2/17/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories:
Condemned Israeli policies and practices in the occupied territories.
6/9/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Occupied territories: Deplored Israel's policies
and practices in the occupied territories. 11/7/1989 Vetoed 14-1 (US)
Occupied territories: NAM draft resolution to create a commission and send
three security council members to Rishon Lezion, where an Israeli gunmen
shot down seven Palestinian workers. 5/31/1990 Vetoed 14-1 (US) Middle East:
Confirms that the expropriation of land by Israel in East Jerusalem is
invalid and in violation of relevant Security Council resolutions and
provisions of the Fourth Geneva convention; expresses support of peace
process, including the Declaration of Principles of 9/13/1993 5/17/1995
Vetoed 14-1 (US) Middle East: Calls upon Israeli authorities to refrain from
all actions or measures, including settlement activities. 3/7/1997 Vetoed
14-1 (US) Middle East: Demands that Israel cease construction of the
settlement in east Jerusalem (called Jabal Abu Ghneim by the Palestinians
and Har Homa by Israel), as well as all the other Israeli settlement
activity in the occupied territories 3/21/1997 Vetoed 13-1,1 (US) Call for
UN Observers Force in West Bank, Gaza 3/27/2001 Vetoed 9-1 (US), with four
abstentions (Britain, France, Ireland and Norway) Condemned acts of terror,
demanded an end to violence and the establishment of a monitoring mechanism
to bring in observers. 12/15/2001 Vetoed 12-1 (US) with two abstentions
(Britain and Norway) Source: U.S. State Department

WAR CRIMES

Israel accused Friday, 3 November, 2000 - Israel has always sought to escape
responsibility for what was done in Khiam
OPENING GRAVE WOUNDS / EVIDENCE OF ISRAELI ATROCITIES DURING THE 1967 WAR
WITH EGYPT THREATENS THE COUNTRIES' FRAGILE TIES FREDERICK PAINTON REPORTED
BY AMANY RADWAN/CAIRO AND ERIC SILVER/JERUSALEM - The fury aroused in Egypt
by the apparent proof of massacres was fueled by the press, which matched
wartime photos with imaginative illustrations showing Egyptian soldiers
surrendering, being ordered to dig their graves, then being executed.

> Just last week, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener wrote an e-mail about his
> experiences after nine months in the area, words Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie said
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
>
> DSH

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Tankfixer - 29 Jul 2006 03:59 GMT

In article <%fbyg.1878$rP1.1622@news-server.bigpond.net.au>,
andy@home.com mumbled

> What can a Palestinian do when
> the mighty money contributing yanks cannot protect their citizens.

They might start asking how Arifat gor to be a Billionaire....

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asclero@zdnetonebox.com - 28 Jul 2006 09:56 GMT

<crossposted trollshit snipped>

See
http://www.drnatura.com/?ovchn=GGL&ovcpn=Google&ovcrn=parasites+in+humans&ovtac=PPC

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princeandy - 28 Jul 2006 10:20 GMT

> <crossposted trollshit snipped>

IDIOTIC JEWISH ATTEMPT TO SMEAR AND BELITTLE JEWISH /ISRAELI ASTROCITIES
SNIPPED. WHILE OF COURSE MAKING MONEY FROM THE STUPID GENTILES.

They dont have to, they use their army to shoot, run over and mistreat
physically and sexually helpless children. What can a Palestinian do when
the mighty money contributing yanks cannot protect their citizens.

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/79400p-72974c.html
One guy gets 10 years, the other gets a raise and promotion??

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/01AA7ECA-7018-447B-A10D-9E4139D4788A.
htm
_
American and Australian shot by Israelis
Chris McGreal talks to the relatives of three British and American victims
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1066817,00.html
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/03/16/rafah.death/
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,1066817,00.html
http://www.rachelcorrie.org/

http://www.thenausea.com/elements/thenotforgotten/rachel/index.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,2763,916299,00.html
http://www.omjp.org/rachelphotos.html

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8853425952359751341&q=Palestinian+p
eople

http://www.nogw.com/israeliatrocities.html
http://www.palestinefacts.org/index.php
http://www.palestinechronicle.com/story-2003112917164320.htm
http://thirdworldtraveler.com/Israel/IsraelsTortureBan.html

ALSO SPOKE TO THEM FOR TEN(10) DAYS PREVIOUS ABOUT THE FACT THEY WERE GOING
TO KILL un OBSERVERS.

> Just last week, Maj. Hess-von Kruedener wrote an e-mail about his
> experiences after nine months in the area, words Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie said
> are an obvious allusion to Hezbollah tactics.
>
> "What I can tell you is this," he wrote in an e-mail to CTV dated

July

> 18. "We have on a daily basis had numerous occasions where our position

has

> come under direct or indirect fire from both (Israeli) artillery and

aerial

> bombing.
>
> "The closest artillery has landed within 2 meters (sic) of our
> position and the closest 1000 lb aerial bomb has landed 100 meters (sic)
> from our patrol base. This has not been deliberate targeting, but rather

due

> to tactical necessity."
>
> Those words, particularly the last sentence, are not-so-veiled
> language indicating Israeli strikes were aimed at Hezbollah targets near

the

> post, said Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie.
>
> "What that means is, in plain English, 'We've got Hezbollah fighters
> running around in our positions, taking our positions here and then using

> for shields and then engaging the (Israeli Defence Forces)," he said.
>
> That would mean Hezbollah was purposely setting up near the UN post,
> he added. It's a tactic Maj.-Gen. MacKenzie, who was the first UN

commander

> in Sarajevo during the Bosnia civil war, said he's seen in past
> international missions: Aside from UN posts, fighters would set up near
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> The UN post, he wrote in the e-mail, afforded a view of the

"Hezbollah

> static positions in and around our patrol Base."
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> A senior UN official, asked about the information contained in Maj.
> Hess-von Kruedener's e-mail concerning Hezbollah presence in the vicinity

> the Khiam base, denied the world body had been caught in a contradiction.
>
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
>
> "Whether or not they thought they were going after something else,

> don't know. The fact was, we told them where we were. They knew where we
> were. The position was clearly marked, and they pounded the hell out of

us."

> Even if Hezbollah was not firing rockets at the time of the bombing,
> Maj. Hess-von Kruedener's e-mail indicates they were using a terrorist
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
>
> If indeed Israel was attempting to hit Hezbollah fighters in the

area,

> it hasn't yet used the excuse to explain its actions because it wouldn't
> make it any less guilty in the world's eyes, Capt. Forsberg said."
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------

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> DSH

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BlackPrince - 28 Jul 2006 15:05 GMT

> <crossposted trollshit snipped>
>
> See
> http://www.drnatura.com/?ovchn=GGL&ovcpn=Google&ovcrn=parasites+in+humans&ovtac=PPC

I wonder what Tony and Bushy would have said if they were UK UN soldiers
blown to bits.

Bit much of our Israeli friends wondering why the UN have a presence in
Lebanon, and then bleating about the UN filling the buffer zone in future,
that is when it suits Israel.

Once again, if the underlying problems in the Middle East were resolved, the
excuses for all sides flinging missiles and bombs must just go away....

BP
==

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J Antero - 28 Jul 2006 19:03 GMT

> "Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'"
>
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> evidence Hezbollah was using the post as a "shield" to fire rockets into
> Israel, says a former UN commander in Bosnia.

One possibility is that the Israelis are using a system that tracks incoming
and back calculates origin coordinates, then quickly fires on those coords
before the launch crews can get out. Maybe those Israeli "counter batteries"
didn't have the UN coords, or thought they were accurate enough to shoot
close without hitting the UN position. Or maybe they don't care about
hitting the UN anymore than they do about all these Lebanese civilains
they're chewing up.

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Ian MacLure - 29 Jul 2006 01:12 GMT

>> "Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'"
>>
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> those coords before the launch crews can get out. Maybe those Israeli
> "counter batteries" didn't have the UN coords, or thought they were

     Whether they had the UN coordinates was irrelevant.
     They had taken hostile fire and were responding.
     Hezbollah are the ones doing things they ought not.
     Hell their whole presence in Southern Lebanon is illegal
     and violates UN resolutions and Lebanese sovereignty.

> accurate enough to shoot close without hitting the UN position. Or maybe
> they don't care about hitting the UN anymore than they do about all
> these Lebanese civilains they're chewing up.

     Same problem.
     Hezbollah chooses to launch attacks from places that put the
     civilian population at hazard.

     IBM

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John P. Mullen - 29 Jul 2006 03:08 GMT

>> "Hezbollah was using UN post as 'shield'"
>>
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> hitting the UN anymore than they do about all these Lebanese civilains
> they're chewing up.

The position was fired on repeatedly over a very long time and finally
destroyed by a precision munition. The IDF had the coordinates of the
UN post. Furthermore, so far no one has located any Hezbollah units
within 5km of the post.

This is going to be an interesting investigation.

But, then again, maybe not, since Israel is not allowing in any outside
investigators.

End result, however, is that the UN is pulling out from most of its
observer posts. I suspect that this was the objective.

John Mullen

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Arved Sandstrom - 30 Jul 2006 04:18 GMT

[ SNIP ]

> The position was fired on repeatedly over a very long time and finally
> destroyed by a precision munition. The IDF had the coordinates of the UN
> post. Furthermore, so far no one has located any Hezbollah units within
> 5km of the post.

I still find that an fascinating and almost impossible assertion.

> This is going to be an interesting investigation.

Yes.

> But, then again, maybe not, since Israel is not allowing in any outside
> investigators.
>
> End result, however, is that the UN is pulling out from most of its
> observer posts. I suspect that this was the objective.

They should never have been there. They were useless.

AHS

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John P. Mullen - 30 Jul 2006 05:44 GMT

> [ SNIP ]
>
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>
> AHS

They were witnesses.

The IDF has a history of committing war crimes in the area. The lack of
outside observers is going to make a lot of people edgy.

John Mullen

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Fred J. McCall - 30 Jul 2006 09:08 GMT

Let's examine Mr Mullen's 'thinking', shall we?

:They were witnesses.

Mr Mullen maintains that there were no Hezbollah in the area. Hence
if there were no UN outpost (since there's nobody to watch), there
would have been nothing for the IDF to attack. Hence nothing to
'witness'.

:The IDF has a history of committing war crimes in the area. The lack of
:outside observers is going to make a lot of people edgy.

Oh, I see. It's just 'the evil Jew' theory...

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Arved Sandstrom - 30 Jul 2006 15:55 GMT

>> [ SNIP ]
>>
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>>
>>>This is going to be an interesting investigation.

>> Yes.
>>
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> The IDF has a history of committing war crimes in the area. The lack of
> outside observers is going to make a lot of people edgy.

This may amaze you, but I am no apologist for the Israelis. I wouldn't go so
far as to say they have a history of committing war crimes, but I do read my
history, and some of the Israeli actions in past decades have been beyond
the pale, without question.

The problem is that people generally don't like each other much. We're
social animals, and want to be around others to an extent, and functional
societies depend on strong mores (a good Latin word, BTW), but we distrust
"others". Wars start that way, family disputes happen that way, and that's
why when things go south, neither side is innocent of crimes.

AHS

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