Does Harry Reid Favor Appeasement?
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D. Spencer Hines - 30 Aug 2006 22:41 GMT Senator Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, is the leader of the Democrats in the Senate.
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Does Reid Favor Appeasement?
Senate Minority Leader Harry Reid yesterday lashed out at Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld:
Secretary Rumsfeld's reckless comments show why America is not as safe as it can or should be five years after 9/11. The Bush White House is more interested in lashing out at its political enemies and distracting from its failures than it is in winning the War on Terror and in bringing an end to the war in Iraq.
If there's one person who has failed to learn the lessons of history it's Donald Rumsfeld. Rumsfeld ignored military experts when he rushed to war without enough troops, without sufficient body armor, and without a plan to succeed. Under this Administration's watch, terror attacks have increased, Iraq has fallen into civil war, and our military has been stretched thin.
We have a choice to make today. Do we trust Secretary Rumsfeld to make the right decisions to keep us safe after he has been so consistently wrong since the start of the Iraq War? Or, do we change course in Iraq and put in place new leadership that will put the safety of the American people ahead of partisan games? For the sake of the safety of this country, it is time to make a change.
The obvious point to make is that Reid is being partisan too, but it turns out that isn't quite right. If you look at Rumsfeld's speech, it turns out that the secretary isn't being partisan at all:
In the decades before World War II, a great many argued that the fascist threat was exaggerated--or that it was someone else's problem. Some nations tried to negotiate a separate peace--even as the enemy made its deadly ambitions crystal clear. It was, as Churchill observed, a bit like feeding a crocodile, hoping it would eat you last.
There was a strange innocence in views of the world. Someone recently recalled one U.S. Senator's reaction in September 1939, upon hearing that Hitler had invaded Poland to start World War II. He exclaimed: "Lord, if only I could have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided."
Think of that!
I recount this history because once again we face the same kind of challenges in efforts to confront the rising threat of a new type of fascism. Today, another enemy--a different kind of enemy--has also made clear its intentions--in places like New York, Washington, D.C., Bali, London, Madrid, and Moscow. But it is apparent that many have still not learned history's lessons.
We need to face the following questions:
a.. With the growing lethality and availability of weapons, can we truly afford to believe that somehow vicious extremists can be appeased?
b.. Can we really continue to think that free countries can negotiate a separate peace with terrorists?
c.. Can we truly afford the luxury of pretending that the threats today are simply "law enforcement" problems, rather than fundamentally different threats, requiring fundamentally different approaches?
d.. And can we truly afford to return to the destructive view that America--not the enemy--is the real source of the world's trouble? These are central questions of our time. And we must face them. . . .
But this is still--even in 2006--not well recognized or fully understood. It seems that in some quarters there is more of a focus on dividing our country, than acting with unity against the gathering threats.
We find ourselves in a strange time:
a.. When a database search of America's leading newspapers turns up 10 times as many mentions of one of the soldiers at Abu Ghraib who were punished for misconduct, than mentions of Sergeant First Class Paul Ray Smith, the first recipient of the Medal of Honor in the Global War on Terror;
b.. When a senior editor at Newsweek disparagingly refers to the brave volunteers in our Armed Forces as a "mercenary army";
c.. When the former head of CNN accuses the American military of deliberately targeting journalists and the former CNN Baghdad bureau chief admits he concealed reports of Saddam Hussein's crimes when he was in power so CNN could stay in Iraq[*]; and
d.. It is a time when Amnesty International disgracefully refers to the military facility at Guantanamo Bay, which holds terrorists who have vowed to kill Americans and which is arguably the best run and most scrutinized detention facility in the history of warfare, as "the gulag of our times."
Those who know the truth need to speak out against these kinds of myths, and distortions being told about our troops and about our country.
The struggle we are in is too important--the consequences too severe--to have the luxury of returning to the old mentality of "Blame America First."
Rumsfeld says nothing about the administration's "political enemies." He does not mention the Democrats, and the only American politician to whom he so much as alludes is a long-dead Republican, Sen. William Borah. He does criticize the media (specifically Newsweek and CNN) and Amnesty International for anti-American calumnies, and he takes vigorous issue with the mindset that, as he puts it, "somehow vicious extremists can be appeased."
Tellingly, Reid raises no objections to the substance of Rumsfeld's speech.
It may be that he agrees with everything the secretary says and is merely playing politics with terrorism. That is the charitable interpretation of his comments.
The uncharitable one is that the man who hopes to lead a legislative majority actually disagrees with what Rumsfeld says -- in other words, that Harry Reid believes terrorists can be appeased.
* Note: Rumsfeld errs in attributing this admission to "the former CNN Baghdad bureau chief"; in fact, it was Eason Jordan, then CNN's chief news executive, as we noted in April 2003.
Jane Arraf, CNN's former Baghdad bureau chief, has told us emphatically that she was not a party to Jordan's suppression of news. -----------------------------------
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J Antero - 30 Aug 2006 23:26 GMT I suspect he favors a competent execution of the war.
What do the people who want to create Rovian diversions, like divisive labels such as "appeaser", want?
> Senator Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, is the leader of the Democrats in > the Senate. [quoted text clipped - 138 lines] > > DSH Grey Satterfield - 30 Aug 2006 23:53 GMT On 8/30/06 5:26 PM, in article ygoJg.3395$xQ1.1260@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, "J Antero" <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
> I suspect he favors a competent execution of the war. > > What do the people who want to create Rovian diversions, like divisive > labels such as "appeaser", want? I do not know, but suspect, that Me Antero favors an immediate withdrawal of all US troops from Iraq. Without knowing that it seems to me that we lack a baseline for knowing what steps by the US Mr. Antero believes would constitute "a competent execution of the war."
Grey Satterfield
>> Senator Harry Reid, Democrat of Nevada, is the leader of the Democrats in >> the Senate. [quoted text clipped - 138 lines] >> >> DSH J Antero - 31 Aug 2006 00:04 GMT > On 8/30/06 5:26 PM, in article > ygoJg.3395$xQ1.1260@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, "J Antero" [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > I do not know, That's correct.
>but suspect, that Me Antero favors an immediate withdrawal of > all US troops from Iraq. That's incorrect.
>Without knowing that it seems to me that we lack a > baseline for knowing what steps by the US Mr. Antero believes would > constitute "a competent execution of the war." I, like a lot of others, question whether the people who commited the series of gross errors so far commited, should continue in leadership. I think the "apeasement" label is a weak attempt to shift attention from their own mistakes.
jacklinthicum@earthlink.net - 31 Aug 2006 00:33 GMT > On 8/30/06 5:26 PM, in article > ygoJg.3395$xQ1.1260@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, "J Antero" [quoted text clipped - 154 lines] > >> > >> DSH I need a definition of appeasement in this context. It would seem it is not "stay the course" which is simply doing what we are doing now, ie dying without any sign of a victory. Who do we appease? There is no Hitler to bow to and give lands up in another country to. We need to know what Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and George Bush mean when they say, because we know what they mean when they do.:
Cheney's speech passed by almost completely unnoticed, perhaps because it was just too delusional for comment. (Of the war in Iraq: "We wage this fight with good allies at our side." Of present-day Iraq and Afghanistan: "Fifty million people are awakening to a future of hope and freedom." Would that both statements were so.)
The most-publicized portions of Rumsfeld's speech were in the same vein as Cheney's: Today's terrorists pose the same threat as yesteryear's Nazis; critics of the war in Iraq are like the appeasers before World War II; the real problem is that "the media" spreads "lies" and "myths" about how the war is going.
But then Rumsfeld posed four questions. "These are central questions of our time, and we must face them," he said. So, let's face them.
1. "With the growing lethality and availability of weapons, can we truly afford to believe that somehow vicious extremists can be appeased?"
Well, it depends which "vicious extremists" he's talking about. If he's talking about the leaders of al-Qaida, no, probably not. But, even here, it's a mistake to presume that there are only two choices-appeasement or war. Sometimes, war, at least war fought in a certain style, does as much harm as good.
Rumsfeld should ponder another set of questions that he posed to a handful of top advisers back in October 2003, in a private memo (which was leaked shortly afterward to USA Today):
Today, we lack metrics to know if we are winning or losing the global war on terror. Are we capturing, killing or deterring and dissuading more terrorists every day than the madrassas and the radical clerics are recruiting, training and deploying against us?
How do we stop those who are financing the radical madrassa schools? Is our current situation such that "the harder we work, the behinder we get"? ... Should we create a private foundation to entice radical madrassas to a more moderate course?
What's really pathetic is that nearly three years have since passed and the Bush administration still hasn't answered his questions. And what's truly cynical is that Rumsfeld can deliver such a simpleminded speech-charging the critics of the war in Iraq with historical ignorance and "moral confusion"-when he knows the truth is more complicated.
2. "Can we really continue to think that free countries can negotiate a separate peace with terrorists?"
Again, it depends what he means by "terrorists." If he's talking about al-Qaida, who is advocating such a thing? If he's talking about, say, Syria or Iran, which are state sponsors of terrorism, it's sheer folly not to negotiate with them, at least on some issues. (Rumsfeld loads the deck by tossing in the phrase "a separate peace.")
3. "Can we truly afford the luxury of pretending that the threats today are simply 'law-enforcement' problems, rather than fundamentally different threats, requiring fundamentally different approaches?"
Once more, Rumsfeld loads the deck. Nobody claims that today's threats are "simply" matters of law enforcement. Obviously, terrorists are not "simply" criminals, and dealing with them requires a mix of approaches, including military. That said, techniques of law enforcement (including police surveillance, border patrol, and international intelligence sharing) have recently broken up more terrorist plots than any military operation.
4. "And can we truly afford to return to the destructive view that America-not the enemy-is the real source of the world's trouble?"
This is another red herring. Few Americans, and virtually no contenders in American politics, hold this view. However, a lot of people in other countries-including countries that are, or should be, our allies-do hold this view.
These views are widespread-and, by the way, they've grown steadily more prominent in the past few years-not because of "the media" or "blame-America-first" liberals, nor because Iran and North Korea have more skillful propagandists (or, if they do, it's time for Condoleezza Rice to hire a better public-diplomacy staff). No, a country's global image is usually formed not by what its leaders say but rather by what they do.
If the war on terror is "a battle for the future of civilization," as Cheney claimed in his speech (or even if it's merely a serious struggle), and if the United States needs allies to wage it, the president and his team would better spend their time luring allies than beating up on journalists and Democrats. If Rumsfeld is serious, he should revisit the questions he asked back in October 2003. Those-not the cleverly phrased debaters' points he muttered this past Monday-really are some "central questions of our time."
The only person they seem to able to quote with straight face is Senator Wiillliam Borah who in his finely tuned isolationist style said when Germany invaded Poland in September 1939, setting off World War II,
Lord, if I could only have talked with Hitler, all this might have been avoided.
Like Hitler was some county clerk who needed to know how the big man felt.
This is the quote of the day although Charles Krauthammer has used it every time anyone looked like they were toeing the Republican line for the past 17 years. http://www.prospect.org/horsesmouth/2006/08/post_316.html
J Antero - 31 Aug 2006 01:02 GMT <jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Damn good post.
I'll add a few points.
The Iraqi army would quickly fall if left on its own. In over three years, little has been done to give them independent logistics, ground transport, AFV's and helicopter transport and gunship capability. Even if the ground troops were of higher quality, they still would be chopped up riding around in Toyotas and running out of ammo, with few heavy weapons and no aviation support. Until they are brought up to being a real force, how can there be any realistic drawdowns of US troops, without a collapse of the existing "government"? This is a basic point that gets little attention.
If anyone actually knows that we are correcting this, I would be glad to learn about it.
There is a steady flow of new radicals coming out of these Islamic schools in Pakistan etc., and nothing is being done about it. It wouldn't be hard to learn who these teachers are, and solve the problem quietly and cheaply.
Andrew Swallow - 31 Aug 2006 02:39 GMT [snip]
> There is a steady flow of new radicals coming out of these Islamic schools > in Pakistan etc., and nothing is being done about it. It wouldn't be hard to > learn who these teachers are, and solve the problem quietly and cheaply. If the terrorists killed Iraqis check to see if the dead people have relatives in the the Iraqi Police or Army. Nothing like a volunteer to save the USA having to explain why one of its citizens was captured or killed.
Andrew Swallow
Jack Linthicum - 31 Aug 2006 18:42 GMT Of course, not everybody appreciates Cheney and Rumsfelds attempts at rewriting and recasting history to make numerous different groups one and all of our leaders good people recongnizable by name identification with heroic figures of the past. Neither could remember who the bad French guys were so they stuck Neville Chamberlin with the goat's role. In the process they seem to have bothered some of their own people.
"The White House strategy of equating Democratic dissent with defeatism worked during the 2002 and 2004 elections, but it could prove more difficult this time. Some Republicans, such as Rep. Christopher Shays (Conn.), line up with Democrats in seeking a timetable for a withdrawal from Iraq. When Bush and his allies accuse those favoring such a timetable of "self-defeating pessimism," as Cheney put it this week, they risk spraying friendly fire on some of their own candidates.
In an interview yesterday, Shays said the charges by Cheney and Rumsfeld are "over the top" and unhelpful. "The president should be trying to bring the country together and not trying to divide us," he said. Shays, a longtime supporter of the war who just returned from his 14th trip to Iraq and faces a tough reelection battle, said he plans to outline next month a deadline for replacing U.S. troops doing police-style patrols with Iraqi forces. But he fears the Bush administration might not be supportive.
Other GOP incumbents, such as Reps. Gil Gutknecht (Minn.) and Michael G. Fitzpatrick (Pa.), are also raising serious concerns about Bush's Iraq policy.
But many embattled Republicans remain reluctant to break with the administration's current approach. Rep. Rob Simmons, another Connecticut Republican facing a difficult campaign in a Democratic-leaning district, said he will oppose any effort by Shays to establish a pullout deadline. "I don't think that is a good idea," Simmons said.
Instead, Simmons highlights his military service and initial objections to invading Iraq three years ago. "I am a Connecticut Republican, and the environment in which I operate is quite different from elsewhere in the country," Simmons said. As for the emerging Bush political strategy on terrorism and the war, it "is hard to judge whether it helps or hurts," he said. "It may help candidates elsewhere in the country more than it helps me."
quarterbackjoe - 31 Aug 2006 00:40 GMT > On 8/30/06 5:26 PM, in article > ygoJg.3395$xQ1.1260@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net, "J Antero" > <JAntero45@map.com> wrote:
>> I suspect he favors a competent execution of the war.
>> What do the people who want to create Rovian diversions, like divisive >> labels such as "appeaser", want?
> I do not know, but suspect, that Me Antero favors an immediate withdrawal of > all US troops from Iraq. Without knowing that it seems to me that we lack a > baseline for knowing what steps by the US Mr. Antero believes would > constitute "a competent execution of the war." What Antero believes would be competent execution of the war is irrelevant to the issue. Why did you choose to resort to ad hom once again?
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