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History Forum / General / British History / September 2006Pogue Linthicum & His False, Limping _Titanic_ Analogy
> I believe the [sic] Titantic [sic] stayed the course and had the same > effect as continuing to sacrifice American lives for an uncertain goal. > [sic] Pogue Linthicum ------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------- Errant Gibberish! _Titanic_, of course did NOT stay the course. She swerved to port and the iceberg raked the starboard side of the ship, flooding too many compartments -- so she sank and over 1,500 people died. Had _Titanic_ stayed the course and NOT swerved to port she would have hit the iceberg dead on -- severely damaged the ship and probably killed a few people in the forward part of the ship, but she would not have sunk and most folks would have waited for another ship to take them safely into New York while drinking champagne and cognac -- and beer. Pogue Linthicum should not use False Historical Analogies. It makes him look even MORE foolish than usual. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum ---------------------------------------------- Pogue Linthicum then compounded and redoubled his anserine errors and dug himself an even deeper hole by posting this Gibberish: -----------------Cordon Sanitaire----------------------------- "The Titanic turned slightly to port, but still hit the iceberg. If the captain had not ordered engines full astern the Titanic probably would have missed that iceberg completely." -- Pogue Linthicum ------------------Cordon Sanitaire----------------------------- Captain Smith was not even on the bridge. First Officer Murdoch had the conn and gave the orders to the helmsman. Once again, if _Titantic_ had stayed the course she certainly would not have sunk. Pogue Linthicum is using a totally false Historical Analogy, which he has conjured up out of thin air, and is trying to apply his limping, false analogy to Iraq -- because he is an inveterate Bush-hater. Pogue Linthicum can't even SPELL TITANIC. He probably spells it the way he pronounces it -- TI-TAN-TIC. Hilarious! 'Nuff Said. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum Recte: > I believe the [sic] Titantic [sic] stayed the course and had the same > effect as continuing to sacrifice American lives for an uncertain goal. > [sic] Pogue Linthicum ------------Cordon Sanitaire------------------- Errant Gibberish! _Titanic_, of course did NOT stay the course. She swerved to port and the iceberg raked the starboard side of the ship, flooding too many compartments -- so she sank and over 1,500 people died. Had _Titanic_ stayed the course and NOT swerved to port she would have hit the iceberg dead on -- severely damaged the ship and probably killed a few people in the forward part of the ship, but she would not have sunk and most folks would have waited for another ship to take them safely into New York while drinking champagne and cognac -- and beer. Pogue Linthicum should not use False Historical Analogies. It makes him look even MORE foolish than usual. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum ---------------------------------------------- Pogue Linthicum then compounded and redoubled his anserine errors and dug himself an even deeper hole by posting this Gibberish: -----------------Cordon Sanitaire----------------------------- "The Titanic turned slightly to port, but still hit the iceberg. If the captain had not ordered engines full astern the Titanic probably would have missed that iceberg completely." -- Pogue Linthicum ------------------Cordon Sanitaire----------------------------- Captain Smith was not even on the bridge. First Officer Murdoch had the conn and gave the orders to the helmsman. Once again, if _Titanic_ had stayed the course she certainly would not have sunk. Pogue Linthicum is using a totally false Historical Analogy, which he has conjured up out of thin air, and is trying to apply his limping, false analogy to Iraq -- because he is an inveterate Bush-hater. Pogue Linthicum can't even SPELL TITANIC properly until corrected.. He probably usually spells it the way he pronounces it -- TI-TAN-TIC. Hilarious! 'Nuff Said. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum >>I believe the [sic] Titantic [sic] stayed the course and had the same >>effect as continuing to sacrifice American lives for an uncertain goal. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > DSH Your point maybe true. But of course the Titanic is a symbol of disaster. Not whether it steered starboard or port. That makes you a lot more foolish than the original poster. >> I believe the [sic] Titantic [sic] stayed the course and had the same >> effect as continuing to sacrifice American lives for an uncertain goal. >> [sic] > >Pogue Linthicum Dear God! Now poor Jack is getting the treatment. He must have been right about something...  SignatureBryn My wife has ruined my 'elf! I think she sat on him.. > >> I believe the [sic] Titantic [sic] stayed the course and had the same > >> effect as continuing to sacrifice American lives for an uncertain goal. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > -- > Bryn Probably not 'all right', as G&S say, but enough to set the Idiot of 347 Ilimalia Loop off. He demands great precision from others, but is able to distinguish between a course maintained and a last minute small swerve. I shiould hope he is able to keep at this for a while, it will keep him from pulling out his thrice-killed concepts to clutter the newsgroups. Alofa, Spence On 9/28/06 10:31 AM, in article 1159457475.859853.3290@d34g2000cwd.googlegroups.com, "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote: >>>> I believe the [sic] Titantic [sic] stayed the course and had the same >>>> effect as continuing to sacrifice American lives for an uncertain goal. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > keep him from pulling out his thrice-killed concepts to clutter the > newsgroups. Alofa, Spence Indeed, Spencer is known for constantly changing definitions, which are consistent only in that they are consistently self-serving. Anyway, welcome to the "Pogue Club." :) Grey Satterfield >Indeed, Spencer is known for constantly changing definitions, which are >consistent only in that they are consistently self-serving. Anyway, welcome >to the "Pogue Club." :) A club even less select than the DSH "related to" club. -- Julian Richards www.richardsuk.f9.co.uk Website of "Robot Wars" middleweight "Broadsword IV" THIS MESSAGE WAS POSTED FROM SOC.HISTORY.MEDIEVAL FAR less select... Any pogue can join. DSH >>Indeed, Spencer is known for constantly changing definitions, which are >>consistent only in that they are consistently self-serving. Anyway, >>welcome to the "Pogue Club." :) > > A club even less select than the DSH "related to" club. On 9/28/06 2:42 PM, in article ra9oh2t9e2t0jbvvdrh28r0prrek6n0799@4ax.com, >> Indeed, Spencer is known for constantly changing definitions, which are >> consistent only in that they are consistently self-serving. Anyway, welcome [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Julian Richards Maybe so but probably not by many. There were just not that many English folks alive in 1624 in addition to the recently transplanted John Bates and far fewer than that in "The Colonies." What is it about "six degrees of separation"? Grey Satterfield > On 9/28/06 2:42 PM, in article ra9oh2t9e2t0jbvvdrh28r0prrek6n0799@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Grey Satterfield You also have to trace them back to England. Many of the Massachusetts Bay colonists were already cousins as a consequence of generations of intermarriages among their families in Essex. On 9/28/06 5:55 PM, in article 451C52E1.3050104@fidalgo.net, "D. Patterson" <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote: >> Maybe so but probably not by many. There were just not that many English >> folks alive in 1624 in addition to the recently transplanted John Bates and [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Bay colonists were already cousins as a consequence of generations of > intermarriages among their families in Essex. One of the Satterfields tried that many years ago by hiring an English genealogical researcher to try to find the roots of the five Satterfield brothers who came to Maryland in the 18th Century. Unfortunately, they were unable to come up with anything. Grey Satterfield > On 9/28/06 5:55 PM, in article 451C52E1.3050104@fidalgo.net, "D. Patterson" > <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > Grey Satterfield That's certainly not unusual, and it doesn't really mean much one way or the other. They have only a limited amount of time and usually overlook many productive sources. Many people on both sides of the pond are surprised to learn that searches for European genealogical records are often best accomplished in the United States and not in Europe. The Church of Latter Day Saints (LDS) Family History Library (FHL) and other genealogical libraries have collected microfilm and microfiche copies of much of the European and other records, and they have organized them to help researchers. Since the arrival of the WorldWideWeb, it has become even easier to use these resources without even leaving home. For example, a quick look at the records suggests most of the Satterfields are native to Derbyshire and Lancashire in the 17th and 18th Centuries, and at least some few were from Ireland in the late 18th Century. Benjamin Satterfield immigrated to Virginia from England in 1749. On 9/28/06 10:55 PM, in article 451C9939.5040509@fidalgo.net, "D. Patterson" <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote: >> One of the Satterfields tried that many years ago by hiring an English >> genealogical researcher to try to find the roots of the five Satterfield [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > 18th Centuries, and at least some few were from Ireland in the late 18th > Century. Benjamin Satterfield immigrated to Virginia from England in 1749. My late wife was very good at this stuff, having had some of her North Carolina research published. The daughter of the man who had the English research done was also a committed genealogist and a genuine expert on the Satterfield family. They did a lot of work trying to find a provable English connection. I am more than satisfied that they found all the information that was findable. Grey Satterfield > On 9/28/06 10:55 PM, in article 451C9939.5040509@fidalgo.net, "D. Patterson" > <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > > Grey Satterfield A really nice guy named Sweetser Linthicum did the same with a top geneaologist and decided on a place in Devon called Hemyock as the family origin. The problem was that the first Linthicum said he "was a gentleman from Wales", which set all of the subsequent Linthicums a twitter, trying to find a meaning for the name and a place he could have come from. Multiple Welsh geneaologists and experts on Welsh names have said the name isn't Welsh. The International Genealogical Index* has Linthicums and variants of the name reaching from Stratford upon Avon (yes, contemporary with WS) to Devon. I picked one variant that ended up in Ireland as a colonist and assumed that was as good as any. Rising in 1641 in Ireland killed a Linscombe at Clonakilty and probably drove his family to flee. Wales is close, close enough for me. *(http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp) On 9/29/06 7:39 AM, in article 1159533599.124722.210380@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com, "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote: >> On 9/28/06 10:55 PM, in article 451C9939.5040509@fidalgo.net, "D. Patterson" >> <nye@fidalgo.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > *(http://www.familysearch.org/Eng/Search/frameset_search.asp) The LDS's Family Search site is great, isn't it? Although my wife was the genealogist I was the nerd, so I showed her the LDS site shortly after it went online. She gave them the information for much of the Satterfield stuff that is there. One of the things I learned from her was the remarkable inconsistency in the spelling of family names and the existence of the "Soundex" system used by genealogists to help solve the problem: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soundex Grey Satterfield > On 9/29/06 7:39 AM, in article > 1159533599.124722.210380@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com, "Jack Linthicum" [quoted text clipped - 60 lines] > > Grey Satterfield I know a guy who says he has 64 spellings of Linthicum, even my ancestor signed in as Linscombe, became Lincecombe when he bought property and Linthicum when he died. There is another operation called English Origins, which is an arm of the Society of Geneaologists. http://englishorigins.com/helpindex.html On 9/28/06 4:54 AM, in article V3$8b+CJv5GFFwuU@finhall.demon.co.uk, "Bryn" <Scotland-the-Brave@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>> I believe the [sic] Titantic [sic] stayed the course and had the same >>> effect as continuing to sacrifice American lives for an uncertain goal. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Dear God! Now poor Jack is getting the treatment. He must have been > right about something... Our once rather exclusive "Pogue Club" keeps getting bigger. :) Grey Satterfield >On 9/28/06 4:54 AM, in article V3$8b+CJv5GFFwuU@finhall.demon.co.uk, "Bryn" ><Scotland-the-Brave@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >Our once rather exclusive "Pogue Club" keeps getting bigger. :) Yes but YOU have the truffle cluster. Peter Skelton >>On 9/28/06 4:54 AM, in article V3$8b+CJv5GFFwuU@finhall.demon.co.uk, "Bryn" >><Scotland-the-Brave@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> >Yes but YOU have the truffle cluster. With crossed butterknives? Eugene L Griessel Don't take life too seriously, it's not permanent. On 9/28/06 2:02 PM, in article 451c1c06.23038675@news.uunet.co.za, "Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote: >>> On 9/28/06 4:54 AM, in article V3$8b+CJv5GFFwuU@finhall.demon.co.uk, "Bryn" >>> <Scotland-the-Brave@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >> > With crossed butterknives? Why not? How about a qualification badge? Grey Satterfield > >>On 9/28/06 4:54 AM, in article V3$8b+CJv5GFFwuU@finhall.demon.co.uk, "Bryn" > >><Scotland-the-Brave@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Don't take life too seriously, it's not permanent. I have a choice between limping and prancing, a rather difficult decision to make. On 9/28/06 1:47 PM, in article q46oh2p10id6bs9favtaeomfd8164mt60v@4ax.com, >> On 9/28/06 4:54 AM, in article V3$8b+CJv5GFFwuU@finhall.demon.co.uk, "Bryn" >> <Scotland-the-Brave@finhall.demon.co.uk> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >> > Yes but YOU have the truffle cluster. I don't know exactly what "the truffle cluster" means, unless you are referring to Spencer's well known tendency to engage in trollery. If so, I agree that I have risen to his bait on too many occasions and, heaven help me, will no doubt do so again because, what the hell, it's only Usenet. :) Grey Satterfield >On 9/28/06 1:47 PM, in article q46oh2p10id6bs9favtaeomfd8164mt60v@4ax.com, > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >agree that I have risen to his bait on too many occasions and, heaven help >me, will no doubt do so again because, what the hell, it's only Usenet. :) "even a blind hog roots out a truffle sometimes" or words to that effect. Sometimes his high pomposity says "acorn" instead of "truffle". DSH percieves dimly that the word "pogue" indicates a person in some way inferior. He shows this, his one intellectual accomplishment, off by using the word at any opportunity. (You may have seen this behaviour in two-year-old children or grandchildren.) We aren't very good at discerning whether a statement is really silly or too brilliant or far from our experience to understand. His high pomposity believes himself to be perfectly correct in all situations and on all subjects, (something that one might imagine would be career limiting.) He labels what he doesn't understand "really silly" and labels the issuer "pogue". Because the classifications "too brilliant" and "too far" are, in his case, much larger than "too silly","pogue" as he uses it, is a compliment. Peter Skelton |
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