History Forum / General / British History / September 2006

Followup To My Last:

Further, Julian Richards and I may not be related either.

Julian has said he is related to Fletcher Christian [1764-1793] Master's
Mate of HMS Bounty.

Hines is also related to Fletcher Christian.  Neither Hines nor Richards is
a descendant of Fletcher Christian.

But that doesn't necessarily mean Hines and Richards are related because
THEY must have Common Ancestors to be related -- not just both be related to
Fletcher Christian.

However, with respect to John Isaac Bates [1598-1666], an English emigrant
from Kent to Virginia circa 1623, the postulated situation is quite
different.

Spencer Hines is a descendant of John Isaac Bates, a 10th great-grandson.

Grey Satterfield says his wife told him he is ALSO descended from John Isaac
Bates -- she was the genealogist in the family.

Sadly, Grey's wife is deceased, God Bless Her, and Grey seems to have lost
or destroyed her papers -- so he doesn't seem to be able to tell us HOW he
descends from John Isaac Bates -- if, in truth, he does.

But, if Grey IS a descendant of John Isaac Bates then he and Spencer ARE
related -- because they have a Common Ancestor.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Vires et Honor

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Hilarious!

Grey doesn't understand Genealogical Relationships either.

See my previous posts in this thread.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Stephen Tarleton [1637-1687], who married Susannah Bates, the daughter of
John Isaac Bates, was quite a pistol.

Do you descend from him, Grey?

Stephen apparently lived a very colorful life, to the detriment of his
reputation, before his marriage to Susannah Bates.  In 1659 he was 22 years
old and living in York County, Virginia, where he was an appraiser of
tobacco.  He was required to appear in court to answer the deposition of
Mary Gunnell, a servant girl, on 12 April 1660.  Mary stated that "Stephen
Torlington got her with child and did use her several times by day and also
by night in her master's hall and also in other places."

Susannah is not mentioned in her father's will.  Perhaps he disapproved of
the marriage.

Stephen was living in New Kent County by 1663.  He patented 394 acres there.

In 1676, he took part in Bacon's Rebellion against Governor Berkeley.  This
Rebellion was led by Nathaniel Bacon (1647-1676) who was an advocate of
unlimited expansion for the European settlers, at the expense of the Native
American Indians.

Bacon died and the group broke apart.  Several of the leading instigators
were executed, but Stephen Tarleton petitioned for mercy and a pardon, and
was exonerated.  Hmmmm... How could Stephen have been totally "exonerated"
if he admitted guilt, sought mercy and the granting of a pardon?  A pardon
is not necessarily an exoneration.

Stephen appears to have still been a pistol however.  In 1682 he was part of
the Blissland Parish Grievances, a protest directly to the Crown against the
alleged oppression of the Governor.  Additionally, in May 1682 he was taken
into the custody of the Sheriff of York County for "words that greatly
encouraged an uprising in which many tobacco, plants were destroyed in
protest against increased taxes.

Tobacco plants, crops, and stored stockpiles were destroyed by the planters
rather than selling them to the crown's buyers.  This uprising was the last
of its kind until the events which led to the American Revolution.
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DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

And A Raspberry To King George III

Hilarious!

The canard about "six degrees of separation" refers to acquaintance NOT
genealogy.

DSH