What Will Stop North Korea
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D. Spencer Hines - 14 Oct 2006 01:55 GMT Once again, Charles Krauthammer hits the nail squarely on the head.
DSH --------------------------------------------------
What Will Stop North Korea
By Charles Krauthammer Friday, October 13, 2006
It shall be the policy of this nation to regard any nuclear missile launched from Cuba against any nation in the Western Hemisphere as an attack by the Soviet Union on the United States, requiring a full retaliatory response upon the Soviet Union .
-- President John F. Kennedy,
Oct. 22, 1962
Now that's deterrence.
Kennedy was pledging that if any nuke was launched from Cuba, the United States would not even bother with Cuba but would go directly to the source and bring the apocalypse to Russia with a massive nuclear attack.
The remarkable thing about this kind of threat is that in 1962 it was very credible. Indeed, its credibility kept the peace throughout a half-century of the Cold War.
Deterrence is what you do when there is no way to disarm your enemy. You cannot deprive him of his weapons, but you can keep him from using them. We long ago reached that stage with North Korea.
Everyone has tried to figure out how to disarm North Korea. It will not happen. Kim Jong Il is not going to give up his nukes. The only way to disarm the regime is to destroy it. China could do that with sanctions but will not. The United States could do that with a second Korean War but will not either.
Bingo! -- DSH
So we are back to deterrence. Hence the familiar echoes of the Cuban missile crisis with North Korea's rude entry into the nuclear club this week. The United States had to immediately put down markers for deterrence. President Bush put down two.
Correct. -- DSH
One marker, preventing a direct attack on our allies in the region, was straightforward, if bland: "I reaffirmed to our allies in the region, including South Korea and Japan," the president said in a nationally televised statement, "that the United States will meet the full range of our deterrent and security commitments." It is understood by all that the decades-old American nuclear umbrella in the Pacific Rim commits us to attacking North Korea -- presumably with in-kind nuclear retaliation -- were it to attack our allies first.
Gruesome stuff, but run-of-the-mill in the nuclear age. The hard part is the second marker Bush tried to put down: proliferation deterrence.
We are in an era far more complicated than Kennedy's because his great crisis occurred before the age of terrorism.
Bingo! -- DSH
The world of 1962 was still technologically and ideologically primitive: Miniaturized nuclear weaponry had not yet been invented, nor had modern international terrorism. Yasser Arafat and the Palestine Liberation Organization gave the world that gift half a decade later with their perfection of the political airline hijacking.
Terrorism has since grown in popularity, ambition and menace. Its practitioners are in the market for nuclear weapons. North Korea has little else to sell.
Correct! And its People starve. -- DSH
Hence Bush's attempt to codify a second form of deterrence: "The transfer of nuclear weapons or material by North Korea to states or non-state entities would be considered a grave threat to the United States, and we would hold North Korea fully accountable for the consequences of such action."
Indeed! -- DSH
A good first draft, but it could use some Kennedyesque clarity. The phrase "fully accountable" does not exactly instill fear, as it has been used promiscuously by several administrations in warnings to both terrorists and rogue states -- after which we did absolutely nothing. A better formulation would be the following:
"Given the fact that there is no other nuclear power so recklessly in violation of its nuclear obligations, it shall be the policy of this nation to regard any detonation of a nuclear explosive on the United States or its allies as an attack by North Korea on the United States requiring a full retaliatory response upon North Korea."
That's a Good Second Draft. -- DSH
This is how you keep Kim Jong Il from proliferating. Make him understand that his survival would be hostage to the actions of whatever terrorist group he sold his weapons to. Any terrorist detonation would be assumed to have his address on it. The United States would then return postage. Automaticity of this kind concentrates the mind.
And Kim Jong Il does indeed need to have his mind concentrated. -- DSH
This policy has a hitch, however. It works only in a world where there is but a single rogue nuclear state. Once that club expands to two, the policy evaporates, because a nuclear terror attack would no longer have a single automatic return address.
Which is another reason why keeping Iran from going nuclear is so important. With North Korea there is no going back. But Iran is not there yet. One rogue country is tolerable because it can be held accountable. Two rogue countries guarantees undeterrable and therefore inevitable nuclear terrorism. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If Mahmoud Ahmadinejad gets nuclear weapons and continues to talk and act as irresponsibly as does Kim Jong Il we should promise to return postage to BOTH North Korea and Iran. TWO automatic return addresses. -- DSH
DSH
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ray o'hara - 14 Oct 2006 03:08 GMT > Once again, Charles Krauthammer hits the nail squarely on the head. > > DSH > -------------------------------------------------- > > What Will Stop North Korea cuba got its nukes from russia. NK is a different case. krauthammer bashes liberals. but he uses the handicap ramps liberals had built and conservatives oppsed. like all you repugnazies are hypocrits.
dapra - 14 Oct 2006 03:48 GMT > Once again, Charles Krauthammer hits the nail squarely on the head. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > By Charles Krauthammer > Friday, October 13, 2006 Krauthammer is clue less or disingenuous. The US would have to invent NK if it not existed. How else could be spent a trillion on Son of Star Wars?
> It shall be the policy of this nation to regard any nuclear missile launched > from Cuba against any nation in the Western Hemisphere as an attack by the [quoted text clipped - 113 lines] > > Veritas Vos Liberabit Kurt Ullman - 14 Oct 2006 05:22 GMT > > Once again, Charles Krauthammer hits the nail squarely on the head. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Krauthammer is clue less or disingenuous. The US would have to invent NK > if it not existed. How else could be spent a trillion on Son of Star Wars? Damn dapra, pay attention to the memos will ya? Nancy Pellosi has been saying for the last few weeks that the Dems have supported Star Wars all along. Do try to keep up.
dapra - 14 Oct 2006 05:55 GMT >>>Once again, Charles Krauthammer hits the nail squarely on the head. >>> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > been saying for the last few weeks that the Dems have supported Star > Wars all along. Do try to keep up. So what? Clinton sold the middle class 'down the river' (NAFTA). Both parties rape the American people. The Republicans are just more shameless.
La N - 14 Oct 2006 05:58 GMT >>>>Once again, Charles Krauthammer hits the nail squarely on the head. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > So what? Clinton sold the middle class 'down the river' (NAFTA). Both > parties rape the American people. The Republicans are just more shameless. Lou Dobbs of CNN is someone of interest to watch and read. I believe him when he says that he speaks for the unheeded middle class majority of America. He says that neither the Dems or Repubs speak for the middle class in that both Parties pander to corporate interests. He says that he used to be a Republican. Now he is registered as an independent.
- nilita
redc1c4 - 14 Oct 2006 06:14 GMT > >>>>Once again, Charles Krauthammer hits the nail squarely on the head. > >>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - nilita Lou Dobbs is another MSM hack and *he* isn't to be trusted anymore than a politician.
redc1c4, (he should have stayed on PBS.... %-)
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ray o'hara - 14 Oct 2006 06:32 GMT > > Lou Dobbs of CNN is someone of interest to watch and read. I believe him > > when he says that he speaks for the unheeded middle class majority of [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Lou Dobbs is another MSM hack and *he* isn't to be trusted anymore > than a politician. look dobbs talks economics and he can back up what he says with facts. not lies and inuendo like your heros rush and matt drudge.
La N - 14 Oct 2006 13:43 GMT >> > Lou Dobbs of CNN is someone of interest to watch and read. I believe > him [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > look dobbs talks economics and he can back up what he says with facts. not > lies and inuendo like your heros rush and matt drudge. Indeed. Furthermore, Dobbs has never worked for PBS, as red has implied.
Mind you, red hates most people and is a Bush fan. So that sez it all rilly ....
- nilita
ray o'hara - 14 Oct 2006 16:42 GMT > >> > Lou Dobbs of CNN is someone of interest to watch and read. I believe > > him [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Mind you, red hates most people and is a Bush fan. So that sez it all rilly > .... yup red is a noted net-loon on several different groups.
La N - 14 Oct 2006 16:56 GMT >> >> > Lou Dobbs of CNN is someone of interest to watch and read. I >> >> > believe [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > yup > red is a noted net-loon on several different groups. A great BBQ chef and zin connoisseur notwithstanding .....
- nilita
redc1c4 - 14 Oct 2006 16:52 GMT > >> > Lou Dobbs of CNN is someone of interest to watch and read. I believe > > him [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > - nilita mind you, my dad used to watch him on KCET-28 here in Lost Angeles, which was evidently a licensed version of his CNN show. he should have stuck to economics and stayed out of politics.
i don't care for Rush or Drudge and my opinion on people is based on having to interact with them. As for Bush, i disagree with many things he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been with the other choices presented at the time.
redc1c4, in all matters of opinion, my enemies are insane. %-)
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La N - 14 Oct 2006 17:04 GMT > As for Bush, i disagree with many things > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been > with the other choices presented at the time. Somehow my mind can't wrap around that concept. How would things be "worse off" than they are now?
- nilita, obviously not as good at psychic abilities as red .....
jacklinthicum@earthlink.net - 14 Oct 2006 19:05 GMT > > As for Bush, i disagree with many things > > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > - nilita, obviously not as good at psychic abilities as red ..... (October 14, 2006 -- 12:35 PM EDT)
Why do commentators continue to describe the President as a "hard-liner" on North Korea? That seems to be a disservice to the hardliners and to give the President far too much credit.
Just yesterday in the Wall Street Journal, no less a Bush critic than Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, who served as Colin Powell's chief of staff at the State Department, asserted that Bush's hardline on North Korea has failed.
There are genuine hardliners within the Administration who urged covert and overt military action against North Korea early on the President's first term, and certainly in response to the breakdown of the Agreed Framework. Every Republican Administration is going to have its share of Curtis LeMays.
But those true hardliners have not prevailed in the internal Administration struggle over whether the U.S. should lead with the carrot or with the stick. What has emerged as U.S. "policy" is inertia. No carrot. No stick. No nothing, unless cheap rhetoric about what is "unacceptable" counts for something.
There are quite reputable people in foreign policy circles, like former Defense Secretary William Perry, who have advocated much tougher measures against North Korea than Bush has adopted. Perry, for instance, proposed publicly earlier this year that the U.S. hit the DPRK's new ICBM with a U.S. cruise missle while it was still on the launch pad, before a test flight could be conducted.
The sad truth is that we have virtually no good options for putting the North Korean nuclear genie back in the bottle, and I am quite convinced that our military options at the moment range from bad to worse (and that the current Administration would be unable to competently execute any military option).
But in the same way that it is a mistake to conclude that the Clinton Administration offer of a carrot was a failure, it is a mistake to conclude that the stick has failed, too. Both may be needed in the future.
All that we can say with any certainty is that paralysis has failed to achieve our objective of a non-nuclear Korean penisula. And paralysis, if I may say, is unacceptable.
The same could be said for other areas like Iraq and the Israel-Lebanon-Hezbollah-Syria-Iran merry go round, we are in a state of paralysis and have wedged the entire Western world into a condition where nothing can be done without risking grave and certain consequences.
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Tiglath - 15 Oct 2006 19:26 GMT >> > As for Bush, i disagree with many things >> > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > "hard-liner" on North Korea? That seems to be a disservice to the > hardliners and to give the President far too much credit. Because Rice said that they don't have a plan to attack North Korea, but since when not having a plan has stopped Bush from attacking a country?
Jack Linthicum - 15 Oct 2006 20:00 GMT > >> > As for Bush, i disagree with many things > >> > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Because Rice said that they don't have a plan to attack North Korea, but > since when not having a plan has stopped Bush from attacking a country? You realize that the Chinese could bring Kim down by simply closing down the cross-border supply of food and power for a week.
William Black - 15 Oct 2006 20:22 GMT > > >> > As for Bush, i disagree with many things > > >> > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > You realize that the Chinese could bring Kim down by simply closing > down the cross-border supply of food and power for a week. I think they'd need a damn good reason to shut down the food supply.
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Jack Linthicum - 15 Oct 2006 20:43 GMT > > > >> > As for Bush, i disagree with many things > > > >> > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach > Time for tea. how about an e-coli contamination?
La N - 15 Oct 2006 20:46 GMT >> > > >> > As for Bush, i disagree with many things >> > > >> > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > how about an e-coli contamination? Ewww ... don't say that ... I've actually had e-coli infection twice!
- nilita
PS: Jack, check your email; I've tried sending you a note ....
jacklinthicum@earthlink.net - 15 Oct 2006 20:53 GMT > >> > > >> > As for Bush, i disagree with many things > >> > > >> > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > PS: Jack, check your email; I've tried sending you a note .... Not there but I sent one to you a "reply" from the last exchange. You can yo-yo a reply back.
La N - 15 Oct 2006 20:58 GMT >> >> > > >> > As for Bush, i disagree with many things >> >> > > >> > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Not there but I sent one to you a "reply" from the last exchange. You > can yo-yo a reply back. just did ... hope you got it ... *plus* my email .... Hopefully I managed to get through your security ...
Dr.Goldblatt@gmail.com - 15 Oct 2006 23:32 GMT What did tough-talk Dubya do in response to this international outrage? In reprisal for its own successful, outlaw nuclear weapons program, he dropped the sanctions previously imposed on Pakistan.
While there is every reason to be alarmed by North Korea's cultish police state, it is still best to pursue a realpolitik pragmatism instead of the ideological and confrontational approach Bush and his neocons have pursued for six long years now.
The North Koreans' test also underscores that nuclear proliferation is a growing menace to the survival of life on this planet, and that the menace of WMD should not have been turned into a partisan political ploy. The recklessness of this administration's foreign policy is marked by the trivialization of the WMD issue, an approach epitomized by then-Secretary of State Colin Powell's lauded (at the time) speech to the United Nations, in which he blurred the devastating consequence of a nuclear blast with the dangers of a meaningless vial of white powder.
Oy Vay Zmeer!,
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La N - 15 Oct 2006 20:52 GMT >> > >> > As for Bush, i disagree with many things >> > >> > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >> > I think they'd need a damn good reason to shut down the food supply. Did I hear a CNN commentator say something to the effect that the U.S. is going to somehow shutdown Kim's supply of wine, wimmin and song? I think therein lies the key!
- nilita
Andrew Swallow - 16 Oct 2006 02:00 GMT [snip]
> Did I hear a CNN commentator say something to the effect that the U.S. is > going to somehow shutdown Kim's supply of wine, wimmin and song? I think > therein lies the key! They are shutting down the wine. The Dear Leader can pay for his own women and song. <http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/asia-pacific/6052178.stm> [quote] {snip}
A ban on selling luxury goods to the North has been thrown in as a small and probably symbolic dagger aimed at Kim Jong-il.
He is known to like the finer things in life and is now due, according to John Bolton, the US ambassador at the UN, to go on a "diet". [/quote]
Andrew Swallow
Tankfixer - 16 Oct 2006 02:51 GMT In article <leqdnUh6tM4NRK_YnZ2dnUVZ8qudnZ2d@bt.com>, am.swallow@btopenworld.com mumbled
> [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > to John Bolton, the US ambassador at the UN, to go on a "diet". > [/quote] Kim is also no longer welcome on the lical country club golf course
Gernot Hassenpflug - 17 Oct 2006 01:10 GMT > [snip] > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > He is known to like the finer things in life and is now due, according > to John Bolton, the US ambassador at the UN, to go on a "diet". Ah, I am familiar with that one: 3 schoolgirls a night keep away age and blight.
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Tankfixer - 16 Oct 2006 02:51 GMT In article <HjwYg.23036$H7.21373@edtnps82>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com mumbled
> >> > >> > As for Bush, i disagree with many things > >> > >> > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > going to somehow shutdown Kim's supply of wine, wimmin and song? I think > therein lies the key! We will cut off Kim's supply of porno video's
Gernot Hassenpflug - 17 Oct 2006 01:12 GMT > We will cut off Kim's supply of porno video's Imagine if the Great Leader decides that his Great Member should become the source of income for the country, and turn his sausage to work "supporting" his fellow citizens. Arrrrgh....
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La N - 17 Oct 2006 01:13 GMT >> We will cut off Kim's supply of porno video's > > Imagine if the Great Leader decides that his Great Member should > become the source of income for the country, and turn his sausage to > work "supporting" his fellow citizens. Arrrrgh.... Y'all are jes' jellus that you don't have yer own "Joy Brigade" ...%)
- nilita
Tankfixer - 16 Oct 2006 02:49 GMT In article <egu1qa$5f4$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, william.black@hotmail.co.uk mumbled
> > > >> > As for Bush, i disagree with many things > > > >> > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > I think they'd need a damn good reason to shut down the food supply. Gee, you think they can think of one ?
William Black - 16 Oct 2006 09:06 GMT > In article <egu1qa$5f4$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, > william.black@hotmail.co.uk mumbled [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Gee, you think they can think of one ? To be honest, no.
Well, not one that will stick...
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Tankfixer - 17 Oct 2006 04:29 GMT In article <egvehp$v55$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, william.black@hotmail.co.uk mumbled
> > In article <egu1qa$5f4$1@news.freedom2surf.net>, > > william.black@hotmail.co.uk mumbled [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Well, not one that will stick... WALMART buyers cancel a few trips to the factories to look at next summers line of junk...
God's Creator! (TEXT & HTML) - 17 Oct 2006 19:02 GMT > WALMART buyers cancel a few trips to the factories to look at next > summers line of junk... http://www.wal-martchina.com/english/walmart/index.htm > Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
You are being consistently misinformed. :-)
North Korea & China fought together against U.S./UN attempts to establish a U.S. presence on the Korean peninsula. June 25, 1950 to July 27, 1953. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#The_Chinese_entry_.28October.2C_1950.29
You must have caught Bush's (Ignore-The Facts-Stay-The Course) ... regardless! :-D
China's WALMART'S market will be larger than its U.S. market, which is no little thing... (The largest on Earth). ---> http://www.wal-martchina.com/english/walmart/history.htm
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*I AM* (TEXT & HTML) - 17 Oct 2006 19:17 GMT > WALMART buyers cancel a few trips to the factories to look at next > summers line of junk... http://www.wal-martchina.com/english/walmart/index.htm > Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
You are being consistently misinformed. :-)
North Korea & China fought together against U.S./UN attempts to establish a U.S. presence on the Korean peninsula. June 25, 1950 to July 27, 1953. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Korean_War#The_Chinese_entry_.28October.2C_1950.29
You must have caught Bush's (Ignore-The Facts-Stay-The Course) ... regardless! :-D
China's WALMART'S market will be larger than its U.S. market, which is no little thing... (The largest on Earth). ---> http://www.wal-martchina.com/english/walmart/history.htm
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Dave - 17 Oct 2006 19:03 GMT Was it triggered by the North Korean bomb test or something more dangerous? Could it be due to the old Hawaiian gods showing their displeasure at one of the island's most insignificant inhabitants?
John Szalay - 17 Oct 2006 19:15 GMT > Was it triggered by the North Korean bomb test or something more > dangerous? Could it be due to the old Hawaiian gods showing their > displeasure at one of the island's most insignificant inhabitants? Pele just rolled over in her sleep.
asclero@zdnetonebox.com - 18 Oct 2006 00:50 GMT >> Was it triggered by the North Korean bomb test or something more >> dangerous? Could it be due to the old Hawaiian gods showing their >> displeasure at one of the island's most insignificant inhabitants? > > Pele just rolled over in her sleep. Maybe it's because she wants off-topic crossposts by Monkeyhines and his spamhead crew to be killfiled even more thoroughly.
PLONK!
Jack Linthicum - 31 Oct 2006 20:24 GMT > > > >> > As for Bush, i disagree with many things > > > >> > he's done, but we're better off with him than we would have been [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > > I think they'd need a damn good reason to shut down the food supply. Do you think they found one? Just oil but the throught is there.
China cut off exports of oil to North Korea By Joseph Kahn The New York Times
Published: October 30, 2006 BEIJING China cut off oil exports to North Korea in September, amid heightened tensions over that country's nuclear and missile programs, Chinese trade statistics show.
The unusual move - the figures show China sold no crude oil at all to its neighbor in September - reduced cumulative sales for the year by about 7 percent over the same period in 2005. China's oil exports to Pyongyang had been averaging about 50,000 metric tons a month this year.
In September, China exported 125,185 tons of crude for a reported value of $62 million. All of that was exported to the United States, with North Korea receiving nothing.
North Korea depends on China for up to 90 percent of its oil, much of which is sold on credit or for bartered goods, according to Chinese energy experts. Any sustained reduction could cripple its isolated and struggling economy.
There is no clear indication that the September figures represent a policy shift on providing vital food and fuel supplies to its neighbor and Korean War-era ally. Pyongyang conducted a nuclear test on Oct. 9, after the period covered by the latest customs data.
Beijing did not announce a reduction in oil exports. The figures were released by China's customs administration. The drop in supplies to North Korea was first reported by Reuters.
It was possible the statistics were an anomaly or that supplies were cut because North Korea did not need more oil in September. Officials at China National Petroleum Corp., which sells oil and manages an oil pipeline to North Korea, declined to comment on the matter.
But several analysts said the reduction suggested that Beijing was using crude oil as leverage to pressure North Korea to resume negotiations over its nuclear program.
If that analysis is correct, it suggests that Beijing may seek to punish North Korea, in ways both open and unspoken, in the aftermath of its nuclear test.
Although China has long protected the North against outside pressure, analysts said the nuclear test surprised and angered the Chinese leadership.
If Beijing was already using oil to warn Pyongyang in September, its response to the October test could be more severe, analysts said.
North Korea also buys oil from Iran, shipped by sea. Experts said the volumes are limited, however, and that China remains the country's main supplier. <more>
dapra - 14 Oct 2006 06:52 GMT >>>>>Once again, Charles Krauthammer hits the nail squarely on the head. >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > - nilita There some sparks of lights in the mess media recently. I completely tuned out some years ago. I could not stomach all the lies.
Corporate America must have recognized that Bush policies undermine its interest. So Lou Dobbs, Olbremann and alike are allowed to speak.
Kurt Ullman - 14 Oct 2006 14:18 GMT > Lou Dobbs of CNN is someone of interest to watch and read. I believe him > when he says that he speaks for the unheeded middle class majority of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > - nilita Dobbs, unfortunately, has joined the ranks of Ann Coulter and James Carville, by finding himself a niche and then playing to it. He is more and actor than activist. He says what people are now expecting him to say to get the attention and money.
La N - 14 Oct 2006 16:19 GMT >> Lou Dobbs of CNN is someone of interest to watch and read. I believe him >> when he says that he speaks for the unheeded middle class majority of [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > and actor than activist. He says what people are now expecting him to > say to get the attention and money. How do *you* know what his motives are? Are you psychic? He is extremely passionate in his beliefs and certainly speaks for a lot of people. And it's not as if his ideas are so radical, unless you want to call him the "radical" middle.
Or. Since you seem to know thereof which he speaks. What is it he says that you don't agree with?
- nilita
redc1c4 - 14 Oct 2006 16:53 GMT > > Lou Dobbs of CNN is someone of interest to watch and read. I believe him > > when he says that he speaks for the unheeded middle class majority of [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and actor than activist. He says what people are now expecting him to > say to get the attention and money. yup, and that's why everything he says is suspect.
redc1c4, (he's just another MSM hack.... %-)
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La N - 14 Oct 2006 17:00 GMT >> > Lou Dobbs of CNN is someone of interest to watch and read. I believe >> > him [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > redc1c4, > (he's just another MSM hack.... %-) Geeze, red, I would think that YOU - of all people - would certainly agree with some of his ideas - including really securing the borders and enforcing immigration policies ("what part of ILLEGAL immigrants does the Congress not understand"). I mean, I've read some of *your* rants. You are Dobbs on steroids on this issue.
- nilita
J Antero - 14 Oct 2006 17:12 GMT >>> > Lou Dobbs of CNN is someone of interest to watch and read. I believe >>> > him [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > enforcing immigration policies ("what part of ILLEGAL immigrants does the > Congress not understand"). The part about finding people to harvest crops for such low wages. Nobody understands that part if the laws were ACTUALLY enforced.
I mean, I've read some of *your* rants. You are Dobbs on
> steroids on this issue. > > - nilita J Antero - 14 Oct 2006 16:46 GMT >> So what? Clinton sold the middle class 'down the river' (NAFTA). Both >> parties rape the American people. The Republicans are just more [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > - nilita Yeah, and Dobbs, the great business reporter, also quit his job at CNN to get into a web bubble company which had no plausible plan for making money. Anybody with just a little investment savvy saw those net startups were typical end of cycle "tulips".
When it failed he begged his way back to his old job. Hilarious!!
Both parties do pander to business. Its business that gives us the standard of living we have - not cartoon characters in Washington. Smoot Hawley Dobbs is as clueless as the people who think he's worth listening to.
La N - 14 Oct 2006 16:55 GMT >>> So what? Clinton sold the middle class 'down the river' (NAFTA). Both >>> parties rape the American people. The Republicans are just more [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > Hawley Dobbs is as clueless as the people who think he's worth listening > to. Well, I don't know that much about his personal life, but I can hardly see why his views are so controversial - everything from securing the borders to raising the minimum wage (hasn't happened in 9 years even while Congress gives itself raises).
- nilita
God's Creator! (TEXT & HTML) - 14 Oct 2006 18:00 GMT >>>> Once again, Charles Krauthammer hits the nail squarely on the head. >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > So what? Clinton sold the middle class 'down the river' (NAFTA). Both > partiesrape the American people. The Republicans are just more shameless. Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
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D. Spencer Hines - 14 Oct 2006 04:41 GMT "The essence of foreign policy is deciding which son of a bitch to support and which to oppose -- in 1941, Hitler or Stalin; in 1972, Brezhnev or Mao; in 1979, Somoza or Ortega."
"One has to choose. A blanket anti-son of a bitch policy, like a blanket anti-ethnic cleansing policy, is soothing, satisfying and empty. It is not a policy at all but righteous self-delusion."
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