Apposite & Provocative.
DSH
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AT LAW
Sending a Message
Congress to courts: Get out of the war on terror.
BY JOHN YOO
Thursday, October 19, 2006
The Wall Street Journal
During the bitter controversy over the military commission bill, which
President Bush signed into law on Tuesday, most of the press and the
professional punditry missed the big story. In the struggle for power
between the three branches of government, it is not the presidency that
"won." Instead, it is the judiciary that lost.
The new law is, above all, a stinging rebuke to the Supreme Court. It strips
the courts of jurisdiction to hear any habeas corpus claim filed by any
alien enemy combatant anywhere in the world. It was passed in response to
the effort by a five-justice majority in Hamdan v. Rumsfeld to take control
over terrorism policy. That majority extended judicial review to Guantanamo
Bay, threw the Bush military commissions into doubt, and tried to extend the
protections of Common Article 3 of the Geneva Conventions to al Qaeda and
Taliban detainees, overturning the traditional understanding that Geneva
does not cover terrorists, who are not signatories nor "combatants" in an
internal civil war under Article 3.
Hamdan was an unprecedented attempt by the court to rewrite the law of war
and intrude into war policy. The court must have thought its stunning power
grab would go unchallenged. After all, it has gotten away with many broad
assertions of judicial authority before. This has been because Congress is
unwilling to take a clear position on controversial issues (like abortion,
religion or race) and instead passes ambiguous laws which breed litigation
and leave the power to decide to the federal courts.
Bingo! ...Which is a Big Mistake by Congress. -- DSH
Until the Supreme Court began trying to make war policy, the writ of habeas
corpus had never been understood to benefit enemy prisoners in war. The U.S.
held millions of POWs during World War II, with none permitted to use our
civilian courts (except for a few cases of U.S. citizens captured fighting
for the Axis).
Even after hostilities ended, the justices turned away lawsuits by enemy
prisoners seeking to challenge their detention. In Johnson v. Eisentrager,
the court held that it would not hear habeas claims brought by alien enemy
prisoners held outside the U.S., and refused to interpret the Geneva
Conventions to give new rights in civilian court against the government. In
the case of Gen. Tomoyuki Yamashita, the court refrained from reviewing the
operations of military commissions.
In Hamdan, the court moved to sweep aside decades of law and practice so as
to forge a grand new role for the courts to open their doors to enemy war
prisoners. Led by John Paul Stevens and abetted by Anthony Kennedy, the
majority ignored or creatively misread the court's World War II precedents.
The approach catered to the legal academy, whose tastes run to swashbuckling
assertions of judicial supremacy and radical innovations, rather than hewing
to wise but boring precedents.
Thoughtful critics point out that because the enemy fights covertly, the
risk of detaining the innocent is greater.
But so is the risk of releasing the dangerous. That's why enemy combatants
who fight out of uniform, such as wartime spies, have always been considered
illegals under the law of war, not entitled to the same protections given to
soldiers on the battlefield or ordinary POWs.
Disguised suicide-bombers in an age of WMD proliferation and virulent
America-hatred are more immediately dangerous than the furtive
information-carriers of our Cold War past. We now know that more than a
dozen detainees released from Guantanamo have rejoined the jihad.
Appalling! The Constitution is not a suicide pact. -- DSH
The real question is how much time, energy and money should be diverted from
winning the fight toward establishing multiple layers of review for
terrorists. Until Hamdan, nothing in the law of war ever suggested that
enemy status was anything but a military judgment.
While there may be different ways to strike a balance, this is a decision
for the president and Congress, not the courts.
Bingo! This is the sort of decision the ELECTED BRANCHES of Government
should make -- NOT the Courts. -- DSH
The Constitution gives Congress the authority to determine the jurisdiction
of federal courts in peacetime, and also declares that habeas corpus can be
suspended "in Cases of Rebellion or Invasion" when "the public Safety may
require it."
Congress's power is even greater when it is correcting the justices' errors.
Courts are ill-equipped to decide whether vast resources should be devoted
to reviewing military detentions. Or whether military personnel's time
should be consumed traveling back to the U.S. for detainee hearings. Or
whether we risk revealing information in these hearings that might
compromise the intelligence sources and methods that may allow us to win the
war.
This time, Congress and the president did not take the court's power grab
lying down.
They told the courts, in effect, to get out of the war on terror, stripped
them of habeas jurisdiction over alien enemy combatants, and said there was
nothing wrong with the military commissions.
It is the first time since the New Deal that Congress had so completely
divested the courts of power over a category of cases. It is also the first
time since the Civil War that Congress saw fit to narrow the court's habeas
powers in wartime because it disagreed with its decisions.
The law goes farther. It restores to the president command over the
management of the war on terror.
It directly reverses Hamdan by making clear that the courts cannot take up
the Geneva Conventions. Except for some clearly defined war crimes, whose
prosecution would also be up to executive discretion, it leaves
interpretation and enforcement of the treaties up to the president. It even
forbids courts from relying on foreign or international legal decisions in
any decisions involving military commissions.
All this went overlooked during the fight over the bill by the media, which
focused on Sens. McCain, Graham and Warner's opposition to the
administration's proposals for the use of classified evidence at terrorist
trials and permissible interrogation methods. In its eagerness to magnify an
intra-GOP squabble, the media mostly ignored the substance of the bill,
which gave current and future administrations, whether Democrat or
Republican, the powers needed to win this war.
Mr. Yoo, professor of law at Berkeley and visiting scholar at the American
Enterprise Institute, served in the Bush Justice Department from 2001-03. He
is the author of "War By Other Means" (Grove/Atlantic 2006).
William Black - 19 Oct 2006 18:02 GMT
> During the bitter controversy over the military commission bill, which
> President Bush signed into law on Tuesday, most of the press and the
> professional punditry missed the big story.
<snip>
It strips
> the courts of jurisdiction to hear any habeas corpus claim filed by any
> alien enemy combatant anywhere in the world.
Thus ends 'The Great Experiment'.
What was it?
"Rule by laws not by men"?

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Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
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Time for tea.
95 Thesen - 20 Oct 2006 03:00 GMT
> > During the bitter controversy over the military commission bill, which
> > President Bush signed into law on Tuesday, most of the press and the
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> All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
> Time for tea.
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Sir William,
Abraham Lincoln suspended our civil rights during his
One Hundred Days Dictatorship. The Supreme Court has
no jurisdiction outside of US territories. Guantanamo Bay,
Matanzas is not a U.S. possession or territory. It is rented
from Cuba "until such time that there is mutual agreement to end
the contract."
Cheers, David H
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William Black - 20 Oct 2006 14:00 GMT
>> > During the bitter controversy over the military commission bill, which
>> > President Bush signed into law on Tuesday, most of the press and the
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> from Cuba "until such time that there is mutual agreement to end
> the contract."
Read today's news.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6068644.stm
Is a good start.
It seems Guantanamo is all our fault really...
Except we didn't lock anyone up for four years for...
Erm...
Nothing very much...
And when the US says:
"We'd like you to keep them under 24 hour surveillance or we won't let them
go..."
Everybody just laughed and said:
"This isn't the USA, we don't have the facilities or the legal framework
for keeping free men under 24 hour surveillance"
Concentration Camp Lite at Guantanamo Bay is a running sore and three
cabinet ministers in the UK have condemned it in the past month.

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William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
ray o'hara - 22 Oct 2006 06:09 GMT
> Abraham Lincoln suspended our civil rights during his
> One Hundred Days Dictatorship. The Supreme Court has
> no jurisdiction outside of US territories. Guantanamo Bay,
> Matanzas is not a U.S. possession or territory. It is rented
> from Cuba "until such time that there is mutual agreement to end
> the contract."
lincoln was faced with rebellion,
neither congress nor the supreme court were not in session at the time.
when they got back to washington lincoln got things bck to normal. in those
days before jet travel it took a while to get around.
this is not a tempory suspension it is a permenant law.
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast - 24 Oct 2006 08:51 GMT
> > Abraham Lincoln suspended our civil rights during his
> > One Hundred Days Dictatorship. The Supreme Court has
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> days before jet travel it took a while to get around.
> this is not a tempory suspension it is a permenant law.
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Yeah, Ray.
But he still had the telegraph and rail...since the 1830's. It is
interesting that
it is law and was not just a presidential decree.
Have you read where the French are now having to deal with gangs of
Muslims attacking the police as well as public transit at night ?
I wonder when we are going to get our own border under control.
I thought the French were going to deport all the troublemakers. But I
guess the second generation possesses French birth certificates.
Cheers, David H
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i2p6 west - 24 Oct 2006 09:38 GMT
>>>Abraham Lincoln suspended our civil rights during his
>>>One Hundred Days Dictatorship.
100 days. How will we know when the "war on terror" ends?
God's Creator! (TEXT & HTML) - 24 Oct 2006 12:46 GMT
>>>> Abraham Lincoln suspended our civil rights during his
>>>> One Hundred Days Dictatorship.
>
> 100 days. How will we know when the "war on terror" ends?
Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
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Holy wars can never end...
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God's Creator!
(I don't forgive sh.t!) 8-)

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Singanas@Texasgulfcoast - 26 Oct 2006 04:29 GMT
> >>>Abraham Lincoln suspended our civil rights during his
> >>>One Hundred Days Dictatorship.
>
> 100 days. How will we know when the "war on terror" ends?
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You're on your own. I am retiring from the Iraq War.
Too much religion.
"You are a better man than I, Gunga Din. "
Cheers, David H
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forssberg - 21 Oct 2006 02:20 GMT
> It strips
> > the courts of jurisdiction to hear any habeas corpus claim filed by any
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>
> "Rule by laws not by men"?
Please...the new law grants the unlawful combatants a right of appeal
as of right to the D.C. circuit plus a preliminary judicial
determination of their status. That's plenty to ensure the level of
protection they're entitled to.
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast - 21 Oct 2006 08:16 GMT
> > It strips
> > > the courts of jurisdiction to hear any habeas corpus claim filed by any
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> determination of their status. That's plenty to ensure the level of
> protection they're entitled to.
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The troll sounds like a major attorney. You know, William, I think
we are really good as armchair historians. But contemporary policy is
not something I want to critique. It is out of my league, which is to
go
back in history and pick out events which have relevance to the
present.
For me to say Lincoln had a hundred days dictatorship during which
the New York gangs were pressed into the Union Army, or to say that
Gitmo is a rental property and not a US territory, or to say that
Yugoslavia and not Viet Nam is the precedent for Iraq....well that's my
expertise.
But you like to cover law and politics as well as history and military
technology. And you do it well, if you ask me.
Cheers, David H
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