Well the government has decided to punish everyone who takes a cheap flight
or has the temerity to run a car with an engine over about 1200cc in an
attempt to slow down global warming.
As it's nearly November and we're still able to hang washing out, after the
best summer in living memory, I doubt many people will think global warming
is a bad thing this year.
And am I the only one who has noticed that the people who want to make cheap
travel more expensive tend to be people who have never sat in an economy
seat on an airplane in their lives?
It's like watching a travel show on TV where the low level TV celeb picked
for a free holiday gives you advice about avoiding Deep Vein Thrombosis with
the smug expression of someone who'll never actually sit in an economy
seat...

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William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
hippo - 30 Oct 2006 17:23 GMT
"William Black" wrote in message
> Well the government has decided to punish everyone who takes a cheap
> flight or has the temerity to run a car with an engine over about 1200cc
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> with the smug expression of someone who'll never actually sit in an
> economy seat...
It's just the sitting that drives me nuts - trapped and unable to move
around. I'd probably go just as crazy in first class.
We've built a sports stadium here (baseball) with a roofed over flat area on
top with no seating beyond some picnic tables and benches. It's full of
little kids running amok but at least you are not wedged into a sea of
humanity for an eternity and can pace back and forth or go to the loo
without stepping over thirty strangers, begging pardon with each step.
A trick I use for long flights is to take several antihistamine tablets an
hour before, and during, the flight. It saves the ears and makes me drowsy
enough not to care as much. -the Troll
William Black - 30 Oct 2006 17:39 GMT
> It's just the sitting that drives me nuts - trapped and unable to move
> around. I'd probably go just as crazy in first class.
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> hour before, and during, the flight. It saves the ears and makes me drowsy
> enough not to care as much.
Well I've logged something over 50,000 miles this year, all in economy.
I find that drinking loads of water makes you want to go to the loo a lot,
and that helps.
It's the jet lag that gets me. Bed for 48 hours, eating when hungry and
etc, is the only way I've found to recover.

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William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
hippo - 30 Oct 2006 20:58 GMT
"William Black" wrote in message
> "hippo" wrote in message
>> It's just the sitting that drives me nuts - trapped and unable to move
>> around. I'd probably go just as crazy in first class.
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> It's the jet lag that gets me. Bed for 48 hours, eating when hungry and
> etc, is the only way I've found to recover.
That has never bothered me much. It's feeling caged that does. I'd probably
go berserk in a straight jacket or handcuffs, foaming at the mouth and all
that. Partly it's not being able to smoke. I am a very heavy smoker.
The feeling of dehydration comes from the very low cabin humidity.
Next time try the antihistamine trick. You won't be days recovering your
hearing and can doze through much of the trip. -the Troll
William Black - 30 Oct 2006 21:07 GMT
> Next time try the antihistamine trick. You won't be days recovering your
> hearing and can doze through much of the trip. -the Troll
I don't really like doing drugs.

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William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.
Mad Dog anti-re-cycling - 30 Oct 2006 21:12 GMT
||| Next time try the antihistamine trick. You won't be days recovering
||| your hearing and can doze through much of the trip. -the Troll
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|| gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the
|| beach Time for tea.
What about horse tranquilizers ?

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"A horse a horse my kingdom for a horse, I haven't had a winner in six
months".
MD
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Ray O'Hara - 31 Oct 2006 01:35 GMT
> ||| Next time try the antihistamine trick. You won't be days recovering
> ||| your hearing and can doze through much of the trip. -the Troll
> ||
> || I don't really like doing drugs.
>
> What about horse tranquilizers ?
yeah PCP, angel dust , great stuff. next thing you know you're cutting the
skin off your face and feeding it to the dog.
hippo - 30 Oct 2006 23:27 GMT
"William Black" wrote in message
> "hippo" wrote in message
>> Next time try the antihistamine trick. You won't be days recovering your
>> hearing and can doze through much of the trip. -the Troll
>
> I don't really like doing drugs.
Neither do I. These aren't powerful prescription drugs, but ones bought over
the counter in any large supermarket like Tesco. -the Troll
Mad Dog anti-re-cycling - 30 Oct 2006 21:11 GMT
|| Well the government has decided to punish everyone who takes a cheap
|| flight or has the temerity to run a car with an engine over about
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|| beach
|| Time for tea.
I agree with everything you say, what I always found is that people who are
normal enough in life act like nutballs the moment they get on the plane, I
used to get as many drinks inside me as I could or take a couple of sleeping
pills. On one occasion I did both, the best I heard was when horse racing
pundit and big fat sloth John McCrirrick traveled first class and his wife
had to sit in economy (cattle truck in his words) class, this he admitted on
Celebrity Big Brother.

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"A horse a horse my kingdom for a horse, I haven't had a winner in six
months".
MD
Errors left for the pedant.
BlackPrince - 30 Oct 2006 21:32 GMT
> Well the government has decided to punish everyone who takes a cheap
> flight or has the temerity to run a car with an engine over about 1200cc
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> with the smug expression of someone who'll never actually sit in an
> economy seat...
Having failed to hiss off the GBP with threats of Al-Quaeda and aircraft
flying into buildings on a daily basis, Tony has brought out the ultimate to
keep us the Plebians in line.....
Total world destruction.....by excess carbon - personally I blame the
Chelsea tractors...and 'standby' electronics.
BP
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Snodgras Riklesnort - 30 Oct 2006 23:58 GMT
Mr. Black
Well, didn't you folks sign Kyoto?
Do you have a more effective(but not more invasive) way of reducing
carbon emmissions than increasing the cost of carbon fuels?
I know you are to smart to think the government could just say reduce
the emmissons some % and it would happen without some direct program
like this one.
I applaud your country agreeing to do this for the world environment.
Does it bother you that the same treaty allows unlimited increases for
China and India? Have you considered some carrot to lure other major Co2
emitters into limiting thier output?
William Black - 31 Oct 2006 10:48 GMT
> Mr. Black
>
> Well, didn't you folks sign Kyoto?
Yes, but as the USA isn't on-board it didn't work.
> Do you have a more effective(but not more invasive) way of reducing
> carbon emmissions than increasing the cost of carbon fuels?
Nope.
> I know you are to smart to think the government could just say reduce
> the emmissons some % and it would happen without some direct program
> like this one.
This sentenance isn't in English. I assume you've missed a word somewhere.
> I applaud your country agreeing to do this for the world environment.
> Does it bother you that the same treaty allows unlimited increases for
> China and India? Have you considered some carrot to lure other major Co2
> emitters into limiting thier output?
Well most of the Indian CO2 output is actually concrete at the moment as
they're trying to build houses for people that keep the weather out.
I don't have a problem with that as my wife's house in India is being
repaired by the government with that concrete.
Looking at the 'per capita' production of greenhouse gasses I'd say the USA
is the country with a serious problem.

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William Black
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.