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History Forum / General / British History / December 2003Re: The Vinland Map Find Or Fraud?
We note with vast amusement that Gans, my chubby little pet goose, is honking, huffing and puffing about LAWYERS once again. The man's itchy urge to intimidate and censor by tossing out thinly-veiled threats of legal action --- whenever he has been proven in error and has taken another massive pratfall ---- is irrepressible, recidivist, undying.... And: Hilarious! He knows he has absolutely no case against me ---- and has long ago admitted it ---- but he does so love to whine and play the outraged victim. Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas Vires et Honor He's a disgusting old fraud and a pathetic loser to boot. A life wasted in the company of psychotic Chihuahuas. Investigating the incredibly complicated medieval 'technology' of the HARNESS. Hehehehehe. Chubby indeed, and utterly depraved. > We note with vast amusement that Gans, my chubby little pet goose, is > honking, huffing and puffing about LAWYERS once again. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Vires et Honor > He's a disgusting old fraud and a pathetic loser to boot. A life > wasted in the company of psychotic Chihuahuas. Investigating the [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > > > Vires et Honor Sad wee, sleekit cow'rin tim'rous beastie. Nobody cares about you. Nobody cares about Hines. You, and he, are yesterday's men. Wake up, matey. You and DSH have no friends. You are all alone in a wilderness of people who think you are worthless. That's Usenet. It's cruel. It's world-wide. Pete Stretton -- Lux et Daz et Vim et Omo -- a load of old-fashioned brand names -- > -- Lux et Daz et Vim et Omo -- a load of old-fashioned brand names -- It'll all come out in the wash. Renia "Pete Stretton" wrote in message > "MG" wrote in message > > He's a disgusting old fraud and a pathetic loser to boot. A life > > wasted in the company of psychotic Chihuahuas. Investigating the > > incredibly complicated medieval 'technology' of the HARNESS. > > Hehehehehe. > > > > Chubby indeed, and utterly depraved. > > "D. Spencer Hines" schrieb im Newsbeitrag > > > We note with vast amusement that Gans, my chubby little pet goose, > > is [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Pete Stretton Hey, Pete, speak for yourself. -the Troll > "Pete Stretton" wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 49 lines] > > Hey, Pete, speak for yourself. -the Troll He certainly isn't speaking for me! I might agree or disagree with you and DSH from time to time but normally you never get me p.... off as some of the others do forgetting the topic they discuss for the pleasure(?) of causing harm upon people they disagree with.... Inger E "Inger E Johansson" wrote in message > "hippo" skrev i meddelandet > > "Pete Stretton" wrote in message > > [quoted text clipped - 56 lines] > > Inger E Thanks Inger, that's the way I see it too. Usenet is about debate not side taking. I sometimes disagree with DSH which does not mean I dislike him or that his opinions are not just as valid as anyone else's or as welcome. -the Troll > > Thanks Inger, that's the way I see it too. Usenet is about debate not side > taking. I sometimes disagree with DSH which does not mean I dislike him or > that his opinions are not just as valid as anyone else's or as welcome. -the > Troll His opinions are, of course, always valid - when he does deign to give one, which is very rarely. 95% of his posts are either copy/pastes of info most of us know already, and/or crude and personal vindictiveness. So you are right - 5% of the time! :-)) Surreyman "a.spencer3" wrote in message > hippo wrote in message > > > Thanks Inger, that's the way I see it too. Usenet is about debate not > side [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > and/or crude and personal vindictiveness. > So you are right - 5% of the time! :-)) I don't mind the pasted info if it sparks debate and have learned to ignore the spitefulness which seems to have become general on SHM. He isn't the only one to regularly stoop to it. On Usenet a five percenter is probably ahead of the average. -the Troll >I don't mind the pasted info if it sparks debate and have learned to ignore >the spitefulness which seems to have become general on SHM. Yes, but it almost invariably sparks a debate that is WAY off-topic for the newsgroups in question. I don't suppose that there's any point asking again if *all* of the Iraq debates could be moved relevant contemporary political newsgroups? It's boring as cack, to begin with. cheers, Alex "AlexJCraven" wrote in message > >I don't mind the pasted info if it sparks debate and have learned to ignore > >the spitefulness which seems to have become general on SHM. > Yes, but it almost invariably sparks a debate that is WAY off-topic for the > newsgroups in question. I don't suppose that there's any point asking again if > *all* of the Iraq debates could be moved relevant contemporary political > newsgroups? It's boring as cack, to begin with. > > cheers, Alex I for one promise never to initiate one. Ignoring them is too much to ask. The poster will assume I agree or am unable to counter his argument. -the Troll > On Usenet a five percenter is probably > ahead of the average. -the Troll > :-)) Surreyman a.spencer3, DSH sends relevant messages to the group most of the time. He can be rude but he isn't as rude to some folks as almost the same some folks tend to be towards me. Anyhow DSH has always been nice to me. Inger E > > > Thanks Inger, that's the way I see it too. Usenet is about debate not > side [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Surreyman > "Inger E Johansson" wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 69 lines] > that his opinions are not just as valid as anyone else's or as welcome. -the > Troll Ducks lining up nicely here. All walking, quacking, and generally being. Pete Stretton -- The cheer of support for MG's words was just too, too deafening, dahling -- > Sad wee, sleekit cow'rin tim'rous beastie. > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Pete Stretton > -- Lux et Daz et Vim et Omo -- a load of old-fashioned brand names -- But the real question is, Pete, what is it to you, that DSH and I have a very low opinion of Gans?! > > Sad wee, sleekit cow'rin tim'rous beastie. > > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > But the real question is, Pete, what is it to you, that DSH and I have > a very low opinion of Gans?! Some people won't stand by and watch a good man be torn down by rats. -- Drew History doesn't wait for school to be over. > But the real question is, Pete, what is it to you, that DSH and I have > a very low opinion of Gans?! The real problem with that being that he's a tenured professor at a real university teaching a relevant course, and you and Hines aren't. So his opinion counts for something, and you're just standing in the street outside shouting at the windows... -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three > > But the real question is, Pete, what is it to you, that DSH and I have > > a very low opinion of Gans?! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > So his opinion counts for something, and you're just standing in the street > outside shouting at the windows... This REEKS of desperation. The filthy little stoner may be a professor - but of f.cking CHEMISTRY, dumbass! A field UNRELATED to medieval history. Just how often does Hines need to point that out to you?! Gans is a dilettante, a dabbler, a complete amateur. His opinions count for JACK sh.t. Especially because he is also a left wing lunatic. Gettit now, little Willie? > The filthy little stoner may be a professor - but of f.cking > CHEMISTRY, dumbass! A field UNRELATED to medieval history. Just how > often does Hines need to point that out to you?! He teaches a course on medieval technology. Hines is a buffoon, who use to teach a course at a university, but got sacked for some reason he's not sharing... You are also a buffoon, for reasons that are obvious -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three Black is lying again ---- a mode he often slips into quite comfortably. What he asserts as fact never happened. 'Nuff Said. D. Spencer Hines Lux et Veritas et Libertas | > The filthy little stoner may be a professor - but of f.cking | > CHEMISTRY, dumbass! A field UNRELATED to medieval history. Just how [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | -- | William Black > Black is lying again ---- a mode he often slips into quite comfortably. In what way exactly am I a liar? -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three > > The filthy little stoner may be a professor - but of f.cking > > CHEMISTRY, dumbass! A field UNRELATED to medieval history. Just how > > often does Hines need to point that out to you?! > > He teaches a course on medieval technology. You aren't entirely correct. Never mind. Had he done so that wouldn't have made him a specialist of Medieval History all the same! History is about written documents that's not the same as technology. Inger E > Hines is a buffoon, who use to teach a course at a university, but got > sacked for some reason he's not sharing... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > On time, on budget, or works; > Pick any two from three > History is about > written documents that's not the same as technology. Well, that's a novel thought! What an idiot. Surreyman a.spencer3, I didn't know that you had to prove yourself the thing you called others. Splendid. You also proved that you are no scholar of History. Even more fantastic. Pling Plong Dingeli-dong. Inger E > > History is about > > written documents that's not the same as technology. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Surreyman > a.spencer3, > I didn't know that you had to prove yourself the thing you called others. > Splendid. You also proved that you are no scholar of History. Even more > fantastic. > > Pling Plong Dingeli-dong. What are you talking about? Surreyman > > a.spencer3, > > I didn't know that you had to prove yourself the thing you called others. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Surreyman She thinks you've insulted her, so she's responsing in kind. It's just the incomprehensible Ingerish kind. -- Drew History doesn't wait for school to be over. > > > The filthy little stoner may be a professor - but of f.cking > > > CHEMISTRY, dumbass! A field UNRELATED to medieval history. Just how [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > You aren't entirely correct In what way precisely? Or are you sources secret as usual... -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three In soc.history.medieval William Black <black_william@hotmail.com> wrote: >> > "MG" <morrisg4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:bqahej$f79$1@online.de... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >> >> You aren't entirely correct >In what way precisely? >Or are you sources secret as usual... I'm curious too Inger. What is it that I do teach? ---- Paul J. Gans >You aren't entirely correct. Never mind. Had he done so that wouldn't have >made him a specialist of Medieval History all the same! History is about >written documents that's not the same as technology. Umm .. The map is not the territory. What somebody has written is not history. It is the subject of their writings which may be history. Eric Stevens > >You aren't entirely correct. Never mind. Had he done so that wouldn't have > >made him a specialist of Medieval History all the same! History is about [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > What somebody has written is not history. It is the subject of their > writings which may be history. Eric, Paul is no scholar of History which include drawn maps and other drawn figures, views etc and written documents. On the map is both. Paul is a scholar of Chemistry but working with Medieval technology which is a small small part of the History field. That's what I meant. Inger E > Eric Stevens > Paul is a scholar of Chemistry but working with Medieval technology which is > a small small part of the History field. Tell me Inger, which academic institution do you belong to? You are obviously highly expert on the teaching of history and are able to discriminate between those who know what they are talking about and those who do not. At which institution are you a tenured member of staff? -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three William, you ask the wrong question here and many times before. You seem to suppose that all scholars stay at university after finishing their own studies no matter on what level. That's not the case. I work as a teacher for 9th graders, my friends who studied History, Religion, Geography and so on works as teachers. Some of the Ph.D. haven't got a job at all after the Universities have had to cut budgets and 'ordinary' companies long ago stopped employing those with too many Academic merits if the practic years(practic years= experience=working for the State or Companies) in the fields isn't at least two years. That's the situation in Sweden. I know Ph.D with 5-10 years University teacher experience or more who today works as busdrivers(2); unemployed ordinary school teachers(>10); nursery-schoolteacher(1) and so on. If we are speaking of MA and Ph.D in Archaeology you only have to look at the situation at Sweden's Museum to realise that many have had to go the last 10 years due to reduced budgets. I went for a teacher's exam instead of an unsecure Academic carrier. Many or most of us who have had degrees do. Inger E O I forgot to tell you what's worse > > Paul is a scholar of Chemistry but working with Medieval technology which > is [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > On time, on budget, or works; > Pick any two from three > William, > you ask the wrong question here and many times before. You seem to suppose > that all scholars stay at university after finishing their own studies no > matter on what level. That's not the case. I work as a teacher for 9th > graders, my friends who studied History, Religion, Geography and so on works > as teachers So in fact you do not have 'an academic address' and so are not a legitimate researcher at an academic institution. You are a school teacher. How do you dare question the appointment of staff at an academic institution? -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three William, I am educated at two Universities with degree and exam. I have supervised 8 other in a year long History project; I am a teacher yes but I still do same amount of studies and research as those of my friends who after our studies became teachers at universities. How dare you look down on my skills and my knowledge. You haven't the slightest idea of that. I am a scholar. It's as simple as that no matter if you like it or not. Here in Sweden teachers from 7th grade up are supposed to have qualifications to major researches. I have I have studied scientific theory, methods of humanities science and scholastic, had to to get my degree and exam - I studied it not once but in courses every semester for a total of 14 of the semesters I completed and passed. How many courses in scientific theory, methods of humanities science and scholastic have you completed? And in how many of your major and minor subjects? You better step down from your high horses before the horse throw you off... Inger E > > William, > > you ask the wrong question here and many times before. You seem to suppose [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > On time, on budget, or works; > Pick any two from three > William, > I am educated at two Universities with degree and exam. I have supervised 8 [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > How dare you look down on my skills and my knowledge. You haven't the > slightest idea of that. But Inger, you have said in the past youe English is perfect but it is obvious to everyone here that it is not. Going by your performace in English and than applying the same criteria you are an uneducated buffoon in history as well. > I am a scholar. No, you claim to be a teacher, a scholar is someone who studies, not someone who teaches small children. > You better step down from your high horses before the horse throw you off... I'm not sure what this means Inger, do you know what it means in English? -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three >> William, >> you ask the wrong question here and many times before. You seem to suppose [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >How do you dare question the appointment of staff at an academic >institution? Who said Inger has questioned the appointment of staff at an academic institution? Are you referring to Inger's comments re Paul Gans? As far as I can see there is not one question in any of the relevant articles. You will see from my previous comment that at one stage the point at issue was whether or not history is composed entirely of written documents. Inger seemed to think that the study of mediaval technology was not history. before we could resolve that you entered this part of the thread with your attempt to pull rank. It is better to argue on the basis of the facts than from authority. Eric Stevens > >> William, > >> you ask the wrong question here and many times before. You seem to suppose [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > far as I can see there is not one question in any of the relevant > articles. She has said in the past that he was not fit to teach in the institution he does in fact teach at. -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three >> >> William, >> >> you ask the wrong question here and many times before. You seem to [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >She has said in the past that he was not fit to teach in the institution he >does in fact teach at. Then that was the post to which you should have so responded. Eric Stevens > >> >> William, > >> >> you ask the wrong question here and many times before. You seem to [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Then that was the post to which you should have so responded. Had I said that he might have responded in that what if situation. What I said was that PG isn't a Medieval scholar he is a Prof of chemistry who also teaches Medieval technology not at all the same as being a specialist in Medieval History's world of handwritten documents, diplomas, sea-charts, maps, annals, church documentations etc etc. Inger E > Eric Stevens > Had I said that he might have responded in that what if situation. What I > said was that PG isn't a Medieval scholar he is a Prof of chemistry who also > teaches Medieval technology not at all the same as being a specialist in > Medieval History's world of handwritten documents, diplomas, sea-charts, > maps, annals, church documentations etc etc. But Inger, neither are you. You are a teacher of children and so no more qualified than I am to comment on such things. -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three > > Had I said that he might have responded in that what if situation. What I > > said was that PG isn't a Medieval scholar he is a Prof of chemistry who [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > But Inger, neither are you. Oh yes I am. > You are a teacher of children and so no more qualified than I am to comment > on such things. What I do for living today and what I am qualified to do isn't the same thing. Never the less our goverment asks for teachers from 7th grade up to be scholars and not only teachers. That's what I am. You are so ignorant. My teachers education is on top of degrees and exams. Inger E > -- > William Black > ------------------ > On time, on budget, or works; > Pick any two from three >>> Had I said that he might have responded in that what if situation. What > I [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > be scholars and not only teachers. That's what I am. You are so ignorant. My > teachers education is on top of degrees and exams. In the UK the preferred method for a teacher in secondary schools to become a teacher is to get a degree first in the subject they will be teaching, and then to do a postgraduate course in teaching. This sounds similar. It is not, however, the same thing as being a university professor. Doug > >>> Had I said that he might have responded in that what if situation. What > > I [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > and then to do a postgraduate course in teaching. This sounds similar. It > is not, however, the same thing as being a university professor. Doug, did you know that we here in Sweden don't ask if a Professor has any degree at all. That's not necessary to become a Professor. Only that he has done published work. Which normally should say that he is qualified due to degrees, but not always. A Professor might as some I know have done his work before the specific subject he is specialised in was included in a subject or before a new subject was added to the subjects at Universities or in some cases have worked with the special field for many years...... Inger E > Doug On Tue, 02 Dec 2003 18:08:39 GMT, "Inger E Johansson" <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> in sci.archaeology, wrote the following: >> In the UK the preferred method for a teacher in secondary schools to >become a teacher is to get a degree first in the subject they will be teaching, [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >or before a new subject was added to the subjects at Universities or in some >cases have worked with the special field for many years...... Doesn't seem to have been the case since 2000, though. See <www2.educ.umu.se/~gaby/CARNpap.doc> "Teacher education is also shaped by its own folkloric traditions (McWilliam, 1994) and discourses about teaching, which often have seemed somewhat 'fixed' when confronted with demands for change. For example, a recent study of teacher educators in the north of Sweden between 1945 and 2002 (Erixon Arreman & Weiner, 2002) found that some teacher educators were not at all interested in developing research in their subject/field/specialism. For example Ulf, a 52 year-old social science teacher educator put it like this. 'Most teacher educators who entered teacher education at the same time as me were good practitioners. In a short time, this quality [of being a good teacher] will be of no value to teacher educators. [?] I do not want to go into research. I do not wish to shut myself behind closed doors for four years [doing doctoral research]. I need the meetings, the relationship, the contacts. [??] I see that what I do is of great importance in everyday practice in school and many student-teachers and teachers find that they learn a lot (p. 12).' <...> Modernising Teacher Education Cognisant of many of the factors influencing teacher education mentioned above, the Swedish government has sought to encourage teachers and teacher educators to embrace change by developing a research base to their work (SOU, 1999). Strategies include: 1) development of research in teacher education in the same way as for other professional areas, such as social work and nursing. 2) alternative research avenues and programmes for schoolteachers. 3) development of research about teacher education to increase professional knowledge among teacher educators, and research for teacher education, focusing on schools and teachers. 4) collaboration between local schools and municipalities, so that local professional priorities are incorporated into teacher education planning and research. 5) encouragement of research collaboration between the three main university groupings involved in teacher education: subject, educational studies and methods departments. From 2000 onwards, state research funding has been targeted towards schools and teacher education. For example, in 2001 a national graduate school for teachers work (Pedagogiskt arbete) attracted substantial state funding, as a means of encouraging practitioner-related research. Alongside this, the research profile of teacher education has been raised within the university. For example, in Umeå University from 1998 onwards, professors of teacher education were appointed, to be responsible for academic leadership in doctoral studies and research. Further, the newly created faculty of teacher education (in 2000) approved a new doctoral programme in teachers' work as well as establishing a number of post doc and research track posts to encourage and support research activity among teacher educators. Action or practitioner research has been viewed as one means of facilitating the development of research by professionals whose main concern is the quality of their practice." In short, there is a strong move to require teachers to have actual research degrees in their field, which is being met with some resistance by teachers, weho have preferred the traditional methods of rote teaching. However, this love to greater research degree work is presently government policy for improvement of education in Sweden. Interesting article in light of the present discussion.  SignatureKatherine Griffis-Greenberg Oriental Institute Oriental Studies Doctoral Program [Egyptology] Oxford University Oxford, United Kingdom http://www.griffis-consulting.com >Doug, >did you know that we here in Sweden don't ask if a Professor has any degree [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >or before a new subject was added to the subjects at Universities or in some >cases have worked with the special field for many years...... I don't think that there's any actual requirement for any formal qualifications in the UK for lecturers (certainly no teaching qualifications); however, given the competition, it is normally expected that job applicants will have a PhD. There are still many older academic staff that don't have anything above an MA/MPhil, especially at Oxbridge. And in the UK you can become a teacher by completing a PGCE after a first degree; I don't think that many people would regard this in the same way as an MA/Mphil. Besides, it would be a post-grad qualification specifically in education, not the teacher's chosen subject. Cheers, alex snip >I don't think that there's any actual requirement for any formal qualifications >in the UK for lecturers (certainly no teaching qualifications); however, given >the competition, it is normally expected that job applicants will have a PhD. >There are still many older academic staff that don't have anything above an >MA/MPhil, especially at Oxbridge. IIRC Alan Turing became a don before he took his first degree. Mike SignatureM.J.Powell > >I don't think that there's any actual requirement for any formal qualifications > >in the UK for lecturers (certainly no teaching qualifications); however, given [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > IIRC Alan Turing became a don before he took his first degree. And Crick never did complete his doctorate... -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three Inger E Johansson wrote: > Doug, > did you know that we here in Sweden don't ask if a Professor has any degree > at all. That's not necessary to become a Professor. Are these the ones who think you're a great scholar? Matt Harley > > Doug, > > did you know that we here in Sweden don't ask if a Professor has any degree > > at all. That's not necessary to become a Professor. > > Are these the ones who think you're a great scholar? No they are not. In History, Religion, Geology, Geography and Mathematics I never heard of any Professor without solid background. Inger E > Matt Harley >> What I do for living today and what I am qualified to do isn't the same >> thing. Never the less our goverment asks for teachers from 7th grade up to [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >and then to do a postgraduate course in teaching. This sounds similar. It >is not, however, the same thing as being a university professor. Of course, acquiring the status of a professor does not autmatically make one an expert in everything. Paul Gans primary qualifications are in chemistry. Medieval technology is an interest of his in which he has become somewhat of an authority. That does not automatically give him the same abilities, training, experience etc as a professor of history. I'm not saying this to denigrate him but to point out that his being a university professor is largely irrelevant in this context. Eric Stevens "Inger E Johansson" wrote... <snip> > You are so ignorant. how rude, especially for a teacher. In soc.history.medieval Inger E Johansson <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote: >> > Had I said that he might have responded in that what if situation. What >I [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> But Inger, neither are you. >Oh yes I am. >> >> You are a teacher of children and so no more qualified than I am to >comment >> on such things. >What I do for living today and what I am qualified to do isn't the same >thing. [snip] What I do for a living today and what I am qualified to do isn't necessarily the same thing. ---- Paul J. Gans > In soc.history.medieval Inger E Johansson <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > What I do for a living today and what I am qualified to do isn't > necessarily the same thing. Agreed. Inger E > ---- Paul J. Gans >>What I do for a living today and what I am qualified to do isn't >>necessarily the same thing. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >> ---- Paul J. Gans Boy is that true. :) > > In soc.history.medieval Inger E Johansson <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> > wrote: [..] William Black wrote: > > >> You are a teacher of children and so no more qualified than I am to > > >> comment on such things. Inger wrote: > > >What I do for living today and what I am qualified to do isn't the same > > >thing. > > > > [snip] Gans wrote: > > What I do for a living today and what I am qualified to do isn't > > necessarily the same thing. Inger: > Agreed. Don't be silly! He's just pulled the rug out from under your qualification with the added word "necessarily" - which points to you not necessarily being qualified for anything else, other than teaching children, -the what you "do for living today"! SignatureSIR - Philosopher unauthorised ----------------------------------------------------------------- The one who is educated from the wrong books is not educated, he is misled. ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > In soc.history.medieval Inger E Johansson <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > not necessarily being qualified for anything else, other than teaching > children, -the what you "do for living today"! I am not silly. I do believe him to have some skills in the technologic field. Not in the History field. While he did add the word necessarily it in it's position hits him harder than it hits me.... he is a Professor of chemistry and if he adds it in lines where he directly refer to his own living it shows that he deep under skin knows that he isn't a Historian. I remember the debate he and I had regarding Horseharness and that he on one hand never accepted that they existed in a 'modern way' back in the Bronze Age has kept incredible silent about it after I sent two photos of artifacts from the Bronze Age, one from Sweden and one from the inner parts of the Mediteranien, proving him completely wrong. Inger E > -- > SIR - Philosopher unauthorised > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > The one who is educated from the wrong books is not educated, he is > misled. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > In soc.history.medieval Inger E Johansson > <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > I am not silly. I do believe him to have some skills in the technologic > field. Not in the History field. No no no no.... he was being a smart-arse and correcting your statement, and being NASTY about it, not talking about himself. Steven Glines also picked it up and cackled about it: <enilqb.ero.ln@mail.is-cs.com> I'm yet to see anything of value from that same person. If indeed he is a professor of chemistry, he would most certainly understand more about the inks that he does and has an even lesser excuse to be ignorant than others!! [..] SignatureSIR - Philosopher unauthorised ----------------------------------------------------------------- The one who is educated from the wrong books is not educated, he is misled. ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > In soc.history.medieval Inger E Johansson > > <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > about the inks that he does and has an even lesser excuse to be > ignorant than others!! Seppo, Steve G is an ok guy in private discussions. He knows what I can and what I want take from him or any other persons. He is crawling to the line but usually don't tease me more than that. Inger E > [..] > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > misled. > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > > In soc.history.medieval Inger E Johansson > > > <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > > > I'm yet to see anything of value from that same person. Ooooops.... "that same person" refers to "Paul J Gans", but may look like I referred to Steven, which was not the intention. > > If indeed he > > is a professor of chemistry, he would most certainly understand more [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > want take from him or any other persons. He is crawling to the line but > usually don't tease me more than that. SignatureSIR - Philosopher unauthorised ----------------------------------------------------------------- The one who is educated from the wrong books is not educated, he is misled. ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Steven Glines also picked it up and cackled about it: > <enilqb.ero.ln@mail.is-cs.com> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > about the inks that he does and has an even lesser excuse to be > ignorant than others!! Did I say that? I must get that Alzheimer prescription renewed. SG > > Steven Glines also picked it up and cackled about it: > > <enilqb.ero.ln@mail.is-cs.com> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Did I say that? I must get that Alzheimer prescription renewed. Steve, Steve - blame it on the weather as other people do..... you aren't that old..... are you :-) Inger E > SG > In soc.history.medieval Inger E Johansson <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > What I do for a living today and what I am qualified to do isn't > necessarily the same thing. Anyone else noticed how much better Inger's English gets when she's put under a bit of pressure? -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three > > In soc.history.medieval Inger E Johansson <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Anyone else noticed how much better Inger's English gets when she's put > under a bit of pressure? contrary Sherlock, I have vacation and I have more time to write. Inger E > -- > William Black > ------------------ > On time, on budget, or works; > Pick any two from three >> In soc.history.medieval Inger E Johansson <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >Anyone else noticed how much better Inger's English gets when she's put >under a bit of pressure? I have found it to improve when there is less pressure on her. Eric Stevens > >> In soc.history.medieval Inger E Johansson <inger_e.johansson@notelia.com> > >wrote: [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > I have found it to improve when there is less pressure on her. When I am not angry that is. When I am angry I can't write as fluently in any language as I think. Then my spellingproblem gets worse. As I have problem finding a misspellt word in a text I have written myself then it's not at all fun. I dislike being attacked as a person. That's not fair. Not at all. Inger E > Eric Stevens > >> >> William, > >> >> you ask the wrong question here and many times before. You seem to [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Then that was the post to which you should have so responded. Perhaps he needed a bit of time to think before he responded, and the article was no longer available when he had finished thinking what to say? SignatureSIR - Philosopher unauthorised ----------------------------------------------------------------- The one who is educated from the wrong books is not educated, he is misled. ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >She has said in the past that he was not fit to teach in the institution he > >does in fact teach at. > > Then that was the post to which you should have so responded. It is very good of you to advise me on Usenet etiquette. However, when I want advice from you I'll ask. -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three >> >She has said in the past that he was not fit to teach in the institution >he [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >It is very good of you to advise me on Usenet etiquette. My point was one of logic, not ettiquette. >However, when I want advice from you I'll ask. Eric Stevens > >It is very good of you to advise me on Usenet etiquette. > > My point was one of logic, not ettiquette. This is Usenet. We don't do logic... -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three >> >It is very good of you to advise me on Usenet etiquette. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >We don't do logic... Bummer, eh? Eric Stevens > > The filthy little stoner may be a professor - but of f.cking > > CHEMISTRY, dumbass! A field UNRELATED to medieval history. Just how > > often does Hines need to point that out to you?! > > He teaches a course on medieval technology. So what? There are also colleges that teach Madonna (the popstar) as cultural studies. Medieval 'technology', my a.s. How long do you think you can talk about the stupid harness? Ten minutes, tops. I bet NYU was just humoring an old man by letting him 'teach' his nerdy little hobby. > Hines is a buffoon, who use to teach a course at a university, but got > sacked for some reason he's not sharing... And why should Hines "share"?! Even if it were true, it's still none of our business. Maybe he banged the dean's wife, for all I know. (Way to go, Spence!) > You are also a buffoon, for reasons that are obvious I just tell it like it is. Btw, I'm tempted to call you a Dumb Jew, but I have to be careful, as we already have one in Gans. It might be that Dumb Jews flock together on Usenet, but since those are pretty rare in the first place, I shall give you the benefit of the doubt. The odds of having TWO in the same place are just too great. No, I'll assume you're just trying to get on my nerves by defending the Goose. Why, Willie, why? I'm so hurt! What did I ever do to you? :( Hilarious! >> "MG" <morrisg4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:bqahej$f79$1@online.de... [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > So what? There are also colleges that teach Madonna (the popstar) as > cultural studies. Hardly comparable. Paul also has an article in Villard's Legacy: Studies in Medieval Technology, Science and Art in Memory of Jean Gimpel (Avista Studies in the History of Medieval Science, Technology and Art) by Marie-Therese Zenner (Editor, published November 2003. > Medieval 'technology', my a.s. How long do you think you can talk > about the stupid harness? Ten minutes, tops. I bet NYU was just > humoring an old man by letting him 'teach' his nerdy little hobby. Ok, write to Professor Alfred L. Ivry at mar.center@nyu.edu and ask him if your opinion is correct. Paul's been teaching the course for 8 or 9 years (after being invited to teach it by a co-director of the NYU Medieval and Renaissance Studies (MARS) program). The course is about medieval technology. The harness is just a small part of it. Doug > > "MG" <morrisg4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:bqahej$f79$1@online.de... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > about the stupid harness? Ten minutes, tops. I bet NYU was just > humoring an old man by letting him 'teach' his nerdy little hobby. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. I believe he is also on the prize committee for one of the more prestigious prizes given for medieval scholarship. Or is that another sop to a senile professor? > > You are also a buffoon, for reasons that are obvious > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > rare in the first place, I shall give you the benefit of the doubt. > The odds of having TWO in the same place are just too great. You're a racist sh.t. -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three > > > "MG" <morrisg4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:bqahej$f79$1@online.de... [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > -- Oops, apparently I was wrong. DUMB doesn't even _begin_ to describe you, Willie-puss. You sure you're Jewish? Hehehehehehehe! > Oops, apparently I was wrong. DUMB doesn't even _begin_ to describe > you, Willie-puss. You sure you're Jewish? > > Hehehehehehehe! Some posts require no answer. The poster condemns himself from his own keyboard. By decrying me to the depths you have descended to, on the grounds of my religion, you win for me more recognition and support than you ever could by agreeing with me. -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three > > Oops, apparently I was wrong. DUMB doesn't even _begin_ to describe > > you, Willie-puss. You sure you're Jewish? [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > religion, you win for me more recognition and support than you ever could > by agreeing with me. You're an idiot, Black. Consider converting to some other superstition and stop polluting the Jewish gene pool. > > "MG" <morrisg4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:bqb3d9$qgv$1@online.de... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > You're an idiot, Black. Consider converting to some other superstition > and stop polluting the Jewish gene pool. Well, after a few years on this ng I didn't even realise that Black might be Jewish, if he is, and couldn't care less. I certainly know whose posts I pay rather more attention to! Surreyman > > "MG" <morrisg4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:bqb3d9$qgv$1@online.de... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > You're an idiot, Black. Consider converting to some other superstition > and stop polluting the Jewish gene pool. Some people never seem to learn. You lost, then you compounded your failure. -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three > > > "MG" <morrisg4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:bqb3d9$qgv$1@online.de... [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > You lost, then you compounded your failure. Go f.ck yourself, sh.t-breath. <snicker> Or better yet, get castrated to make sure all your defective, cretin genes die with you. > Go f.ck yourself, sh.t-breath. <snicker> Or better yet, get castrated > to make sure all your defective, cretin genes die with you. The voice of reason... You know I just can't loose. Insults on this scale destroy any credibility you ever had. As Tiggy found out, it takes about six months to rehabilitate yourself after an outburst on that scale. -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three > > Go f.ck yourself, sh.t-breath. <snicker> Or better yet, get castrated > > to make sure all your defective, cretin genes die with you. > > The voice of reason... > > You know I just can't loose. Learn to spell, freak. My 'Black = moron' theory was correct, of course. > Insults on this scale destroy any credibility you ever had. > > As Tiggy found out, it takes about six months to rehabilitate yourself > after an outburst on that scale. So the Chihuahua has rehabilitated himself, you say? Well, why don't you go lick some anti-Semite a.s, like you always do? Hehehehehehehe. Keep'em coming, cretin-boy. > > "MG" <morrisg4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > news:bqco31$pjo$1@online.de... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Learn to spell, freak. My 'Black = moron' theory was correct, of > course. Hey, a spelling flame. Even Hines doesn't send them my way any more. He's learned that humiliation follows after... -- William Black ------------------ On time, on budget, or works; Pick any two from three > > > "MG" <morrisg4@yahoo.com> wrote in message > > news:bqco31$pjo$1@online.de... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > -- Yeah, my little retard Black obeys me like a little doggie. Suh-weet! Learn to spell, MORON, and stop embarrassing yourself. Hilarious! PS: Look harder for the foreskin on that needle-dick of yours. > > > You're an idiot, Black. Consider converting to some other > superstition [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Go f.ck yourself, sh.t-breath. <snicker> Or better yet, get castrated > to make sure all your defective, cretin genes die with you. Boy, some people can't pass a toilet without sticking a head in. >> The filthy little stoner may be a professor - but of f.cking >> CHEMISTRY, dumbass! A field UNRELATED to medieval history. Just how >> often does Hines need to point that out to you?! > > He teaches a course on medieval technology. And somehow I doubt that his University would let him teach it if he knew nothing about it. I doubt that the folks in the British politics and history newsgroups this is crossposted to are very interested in this discussion (or indeed in any of the newsgroups). Paul Gans knows what he is talking about and is employed by his University to teach medieval technology, even if his main field is chemistry. [SNIP] Doug > I doubt that the folks in the British politics and history newsgroups > this is crossposted to are very interested in this discussion I'd be very interested in any contribution that Paul made about medieval Technology as he appears to be well-informed and produces readable and worthwhile posting. I'm not at all interested in any slagging off of other contributors and certainly not when they are framed in an ill-educated and abusive style. MG's responses will not be heard here - already killfiled. SignatureJohn Cartmell john@ followed by finnybank.com FAX +44 (0)8700-519-527 Acorn Publisher magazine & FD Games www.finnybank.com In soc.history.medieval John Cartmell <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote: >> I doubt that the folks in the British politics and history newsgroups >> this is crossposted to are very interested in this discussion >I'd be very interested in any contribution that Paul made about medieval >Technology as he appears to be well-informed and produces readable and >worthwhile posting. I'm not at all interested in any slagging off of other >contributors and certainly not when they are framed in an ill-educated and >abusive style. >MG's responses will not be heard here - already killfiled. Unless there is something new in the Olin article (which I have not yet read as it will not be available to me until I get to work next week) I won't be rejoining this debate in any serious way. We did all this almost exactly a year ago. A long thread that exhausted everything except the true believers. It is likely embalmed on Google somewhere. ---- Paul J. Gans >In soc.history.medieval John Cartmell <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote: >>> I doubt that the folks in the British politics and history newsgroups [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >We did all this almost exactly a year ago. A long thread >that exhausted everything except the true believers. True believers of both sides. In other words, the arguments are both polarised and entrenched. :-) >It is likely embalmed on Google somewhere. Eric Stevens > In soc.history.medieval John Cartmell <john@cartmell.demon.co.uk> wrote: > >> I doubt that the folks in the British politics and history newsgroups [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > I get to work next week) I won't be rejoining this debate > in any serious way. Tell us about the 'technology' of the stirrup, gramps. You're SO wise and knowledgeable! PS: That was sarcasm, btw. You're just a left wing nut-job. In soc.history.medieval Doug Weller <dweller@ramtops.thisremove.co.uk> wrote: >>> The filthy little stoner may be a professor - but of f.cking >>> CHEMISTRY, dumbass! A field UNRELATED to medieval history. Just how >>> often does Hines need to point that out to you?! >> >> He teaches a course on medieval technology. >And somehow I doubt that his University would let him teach it if he knew >nothing about it. >I doubt that the folks in the British politics and history newsgroups this >is crossposted to are very interested in this discussion (or indeed in any >of the newsgroups). Paul Gans knows what he is talking about and is >employed by his University to teach medieval technology, even if his main >field is chemistry. >[SNIP] >Doug Thanks Doug. I've been teaching it for over a decade now. The syllabus is up on the net if anyone actually cares to take a look. They can also look at the other course I'm teaching this term. Why anyone cares is beyond me. ---- Paul J. Gans >> "MG" <morrisg4@yahoo.com> wrote in message >news:bqa4uv$fap$1@online.de... [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >count for JACK sh.t. Especially because he is also a left wing >lunatic. Now that last bit - I'm sure its really relevant. >Gettit now, little Willie? Eric Stevens >> But the real question is, Pete, what is it to you, that DSH and I have >> a very low opinion of Gans?! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >So his opinion counts for something, and you're just standing in the street >outside shouting at the windows... While his opinion certainly counts for something, the fact that he knows about chemistry does not mean that he is the ultimate source on everything touched by chemistry. I know a 'materials scientist' who believes his is the last word on anything made of material. Tain't so though. Eric Stevens In soc.history.medieval Eric Stevens <eric@sum.co.nz> wrote: >>> But the real question is, Pete, what is it to you, that DSH and I have >>> a very low opinion of Gans?! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >>So his opinion counts for something, and you're just standing in the street >>outside shouting at the windows... >While his opinion certainly counts for something, the fact that he >knows about chemistry does not mean that he is the ultimate source on >everything touched by chemistry. I know a 'materials scientist' who >believes his is the last word on anything made of material. Tain't so >though. It is really odd hearing one's self talked about as if I were some sort of distant character. Folks *could* ask me. I am here, after all. But I'll lay it out unasked. I know enough chemistry to be able to wade through the jargon of the typical paper. And I know enough to be able to catch the obvious implications in a typical paper. I have never claimed to be the end-all of knowlege in chemistry, though I have noted that I probably know a good bit more about it than a few of the folks posting on the subject. I'm also amused that so many people are going off half-cocked without having read Olin's paper. ---- Paul J. Gans >In soc.history.medieval Eric Stevens <eric@sum.co.nz> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >It is really odd hearing one's self talked about as if >I were some sort of distant character. Please don't get worried. You are not dead yet. :-) >Folks *could* ask me. I am here, after all. > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >good bit more about it than a few of the folks posting >on the subject. I don't argue with any of that. I was merely responding to MG who seemed to think that the fact that you are a chemist makes your opinion the ultimate word in anything touched by chemistry. >I'm also amused that so many people are going off half-cocked >without having read Olin's paper. Or understood the implications. Eric Stevens In soc.history.medieval Eric Stevens <eric@sum.co.nz> wrote: >>In soc.history.medieval Eric Stevens <eric@sum.co.nz> wrote: >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >>It is really odd hearing one's self talked about as if >>I were some sort of distant character. >Please don't get worried. You are not dead yet. :-) >> [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >seemed to think that the fact that you are a chemist makes your >opinion the ultimate word in anything touched by chemistry. MG is a troll, in it only for the fun. One can have fun without him. He's the quinessential example of the vassal supporting his lord. >>I'm also amused that so many people are going off half-cocked >>without having read Olin's paper. >Or understood the implications. Yup. > MG is a troll, in it only for the fun. One can have fun > without him. He's the quinessential example of the vassal > supporting his lord. And you are a fraud, goose-boy. Hines keeps proving that over and over again. You think that by weaving a coalition of retards you can somehow undo that fact. Just goes to show how stupid and delusional you are. Not to mention, that you are a ridiculous, self-loathing Jew, consorting with anti-Semites. Yeccch. Hmmmmm.... **"Weaving a coalition of retards...."** That's quite colorful and creative language ---- and accurate as to Gans's congenital _modus operandi_. He's quite used to dealing with mediocrities at NYU ---- and feels comfortable with them. But even retards eventually ferret out a fraud ---- it just takes longer ---- and the chickens are now coming home to roost on the rafters of Gans's ramshackle edifice of fraud, fallacy and flimflammery. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas | > MG is a troll, in it only for the fun. One can have fun | > without him. He's the quinessential example of the vassal [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] | Not to mention, that you are a ridiculous, self-loathing Jew, | consorting with anti-Semites. Yeccch. > Hmmmmm.... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > DSH Well put, Spencer, with some truly stylish alliteration. Some verbal seasoning to make the sordid subject of Gans partially palatable. The guy is as irritating as they get, but I am still trying to avoid the slippery slope of hate. I'm trying! Have a look at this wondeful article by Andrew Ferguson in next week's Weekly Standard, where he discusses the frequently irrational intensity of the opposition to Presidents Clinton and Bush: http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/003/437t xvzt.asp I hope I am not there yet, but if anybody could drive you to distraction, it is Paul "Toohey" Gans. Oh, I don't hate him ---- Gans is far too petty, inconsequential and small-beers for that. One can hate Hitler, Stalin or Saddam, I suppose ---- but not Gans ---- waste of time and effort. I simply find Gans to be delightful *Entertainment* ---- and a sterling poster boy for the Great Gaggle of flakey, left-wing academics with delusions of grandeur, who frolic in fruitful dalliance by poaching-out-of-field ---- while "weaving a coalition of retards" ---- in many, certainly not all, of our schools, colleges and universities. He ignorantly thinks [actually *feels*, would express it better ---- Gansthink is not really true ratiocination] I want to drive him out of SHM ---- whereas nothing could be further from the truth. Crude Mirror-Thinking on his part. He did want to drive me out ---- and gave it his best shot ---- with the coalition of retards. Failure Writ Large...Embarrassing For Him Further, he has really screwed the pooch in his Rush To Judgement re the Vinland Map. Now he has locked his feet in concrete and is not to be moved ---- his standard practice when challenged by me and others ---- too proud and stubborn to admit he's not proceeding in a judicious, measured, scholarly fashion. Par For The Course.... Related Subject: Hollywood loons are reportedly celebrating "Hate Bush" tomorrow. DSH | > Hmmmmm.... | > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] | > longer ---- and the chickens are now coming home to roost on the | > rafters of Gans's ramshackle edifice of fraud, fallacy and flimflammery. | > DSH | [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] | I hope I am not there yet, but if anybody could drive you to | distraction, it is Paul "Toohey" Gans. > Oh, I don't hate him ---- Gans is far too petty, inconsequential and > small-beers for that. > > One can hate Hitler, Stalin or Saddam, I suppose ---- but not Gans ---- > waste of time and effort. Absolutely, he does not merit unduly intense *feelings* of any kind. In a way, the Weekly Standard article was a welcome reminder of that. I have always known that you could not POSSIBLY hate him and have pointed this out several times to posters who have tried to convince me otherwise. > I simply find Gans to be delightful *Entertainment* ---- and a sterling > poster boy for the Great Gaggle of flakey, left-wing academics with > delusions of grandeur, who frolic in fruitful dalliance by > poaching-out-of-field ---- while "weaving a coalition of retards" |
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