Joe Kennedy & Hugo Chávez
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D. Spencer Hines - 28 Nov 2006 21:21 GMT Hilarious!
However, the American Army and Navy may wind up fighting the dictator Chávez -- and the C.I.A. is already fighting him as well, of course.
'Nuff Said.
DSH ----------------------------------------------------------
REVIEW & OUTLOOK
Dial Joe-4-Chávez Massachusetts Democrats love Venezuela's strongman.
Tuesday, November 28, 2006
The Wall Street Journal
Venezuelan strongman Hugo Chávez is an ally of the Iranian mullahs, a supporter of North Korea, a close friend of Fidel Castro and a good customer for Vladimir Putin's weapon factories. Now he's also a business partner of Joseph P. Kennedy II.
The former Democratic Congressman describes the deal he's cooked up with Mr. Chávez as charity for low-income consumers of heating oil. But it's worth asking what the price of this largesse is to Venezuelans and to U.S. security interests.
The arrangement is this: Mr. Chávez's Citgo--a Houston-based oil company owned by the Venezuelan government--is supplying home heating oil to Mr. Kennedy's Citizens Energy Corporation at a 40% discount. Citizens, a nonprofit outfit, says it passes the savings onto the poor, aiming to help 400,000 homes in 16 states that would otherwise have trouble heating their homes. In the process, Mr. Kennedy happens to get a high-profile publicity plug. If you think you qualify, says the television ad that drew our attention to this partnership, just dial 1-877-Joe-4-Oil.
Generous Joe is not the only one polishing his public image here. In the mold of the Castro strategy of sending armies of "doctors" and "teachers" among the Latin American poor, Mr. Chávez is trying to shape U.S. public opinion in the hope that more gringos will come to see the Chávez government as benevolent.
Massachusetts Democrats seem especially eager to help. In a September 29, 2005, "confidential memorandum" addressed to "President Hugo Chávez" and uncovered by a Congressional committee, William Delahunt (D., Mass.) gushed that it was a "pleasure" to have met with the strongman "to discuss your generous offer." The Democrat advised Mr. Chávez to steer his oil through Mr. Kennedy's nonprofit and declared that "from a public relations perspective" the discount oil scheme "is an extraordinary opportunity to address urgent needs of people living in poverty, while showcasing the compassion of your nation."
Compassion? If fighting poverty is the goal, Mr. Delahunt would do better to remind Mr. Chávez that charity begins at home. The U.S. is far richer than Venezuela and since Hurricane Hugo took power in 1999 Venezuelan living standards have suffered despite soaring oil prices. Annual inflation averaged more than 20% between 2001 and 2005, imposing a tax on the poorest. Meanwhile, an insecure investment climate has taken a harsh toll on private-sector employment and shrunk the middle class.
In his eight years in power, Mr. Kennedy's business partner has also polarized Venezuela with his class warfare, rewritten the constitution, politicized the judiciary, the electoral council and military, and announced he plans to rule until 2021. Freedom House now ranks Venezuela 34th out of 35 countries in the Western Hemisphere in press freedom. Only the Cuban press is more repressed.
Transparency International puts Venezuela second to last in the Hemisphere in its 2006 "corruption perception index." And then there was that revealing rant against President Bush ("the devil") at the United Nations in September. Even Mr. Delahunt criticized his Venezuelan buddy after that one.
But Mr. Kennedy keeps on trucking. Last week in a telephone interview with the Washington Post, he defended his Chávez subsidy deal as "morally righteous," arguing that the Citgo contribution to his nonprofit is only "one-half of one percent" of Citgo oil and product sales in the U.S. We dialed Joe-4-Oil ourselves to ask directly whether it is also "righteous" to assist an anti-American tyrant at the expense of the Venezuelan people.
In between berating our reporter for daring to ask such a thing, Mr. Kennedy said that Mr. Chávez has done "so much more" for the poor than any previous government. As for democracy, he said there was "ample room for improvement in the ways that people get elected in Venezuela as well as in Florida." Mr. Chávez chose his partner well.
Jim Watt - 28 Nov 2006 21:46 GMT <snip>
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God's Creator! The Jew (TEXT & HTML) - 29 Nov 2006 03:33 GMT > <snip> > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > only reinforce the desire for attention that provides motivation. > Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R*
Are you the preserver of Usenet Space & Bandwidth?
Or, are you simply telling people what they should or should NOT read?
There is a lot of needless suffering endured by disadvantaged people, that is hidden from most people.
Venezuela's President Chavez is simply showing the American people what the American "Oil War" scoundrels try to hide. ---> http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=4803755
Ditto: Cuba's Castro ---> http://www.cnn.com/2005/WEATHER/09/03/katrina.castro/
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J Antero - 29 Nov 2006 04:41 GMT >> <snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Are you the preserver of Usenet Space & Bandwidth? No, he is a Gibraltorian roof monkey with an affininty for antennae.
Ray O'Hara - 28 Nov 2006 21:49 GMT > Hilarious! plenty of people depend on joe kennedy's oil program here in massachusetts. it is not hilarious. maybe in winter free hawaii it is funny.
again proof you are an idiot.
Peter Skelton - 28 Nov 2006 21:52 GMT >Hilarious! > >However, the American Army and Navy may wind up fighting the dictator >Chávez -- and the C.I.A. is already fighting him as well, of course. To call Chavez a dictator is a height of idiocy rarely reached, even by you. He would have no difficulty getting re-elcted tomorrow. As for the CIA's activities, they are burrying the US's reputation in Latin America but, having nothing but shovels, they have no other course.
<S a document saying that bailing out poor Americans is a bad idea because they might be grateful.>
Peter Skelton
Brian Allardice - 29 Nov 2006 06:24 GMT >>Hilarious! >> [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >reputation in Latin America but, having nothing but shovels, they >have no other course. Pretty much my sentiments, but it is interesting that Harper is now interested in inspecting investments from, say, Chinese, Russian, Iranian and Venezuelan sources, inter alia. Guess who is calling the shots in Ottawa, given that we have no quarrel whatsoever with Venezuela.
Cheers, dba
The Highlander - 28 Nov 2006 23:02 GMT >Hilarious! > [quoted text clipped - 82 lines] >in the ways that people get elected in Venezuela as well as in Florida." Mr. >Chávez chose his partner well. We all saw what happened to poor people in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina when Bush's pals got in there and ripped off most of the repair funds. It looks like Mr. Chavez is stepping in to straighten things out, now that US is busy stealing Iraq's oil.
If you can calculate how much oil is left in Iraq and how long it will take to pump Iraq's wells dry, you should be able to come up with a pretty accurate date for the US to pull out of Iraq, announcing that any survivors of the civil war are now ready for "democracy" - the new buzzword for abject poverty.
That's how it looks from here.
The Highlander
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Cory Bhreckan - 28 Nov 2006 23:33 GMT >>Hilarious! >> [quoted text clipped - 95 lines] > > That's how it looks from here. Bush and his cronies don't want to steal and sell the oil, they want to control the supply (there's a difference). By *reducing* oil supplies Bush's cronies can and did jack up the price. They sell less at higher prices there by stretching out the lifetime of a finite supply. To sweeten the deal, the major oil companies still pay the same for crude as they did before due to contracts already in place. Voila(accent here)! Record profits all around and massive adverts from ExxonMobile trying to convince the public that the greatest profits in history aren't really profits at all!
> The Highlander > > Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns > an post seo agus beachdan a' Ghàidheil. > The views expressed in this post are > not necessarily those of The Highlander.
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J Antero - 29 Nov 2006 00:12 GMT > Bush and his cronies don't want to steal and sell the oil, they want to > control the supply (there's a difference). By *reducing* oil supplies [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the public that the greatest profits in history aren't really profits at > all! You're giving the born-again chimp way, way, way too much credit.
If he had set out to boost oil prices, we'd all be congratulating him on the low gas prices....
Cory Bhreckan - 29 Nov 2006 14:40 GMT >>Bush and his cronies don't want to steal and sell the oil, they want to >>control the supply (there's a difference). By *reducing* oil supplies [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > You're giving the born-again chimp way, way, way too much credit. Certainly not. It wasn't his idea to go to war. He was told to.
> If he had set out to boost oil prices, we'd all be congratulating him on > the low gas prices....
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John Kane - 29 Nov 2006 17:23 GMT > > Bush and his cronies don't want to steal and sell the oil, they want to > > control the supply (there's a difference). By *reducing* oil supplies [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > If he had set out to boost oil prices, we'd all be congratulating him on > the low gas prices.... LOL
Ray O'Hara - 28 Nov 2006 23:43 GMT > >In between berating our reporter for daring to ask such a thing, Mr. Kennedy > >said that Mr. Chávez has done "so much more" for the poor than any previous [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > The Highlander for once we are in agreement
The Highlander - 29 Nov 2006 04:34 GMT >> >In between berating our reporter for daring to ask such a thing, Mr. >Kennedy [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > for once we are in agreement What a refreshing change!
The Highlander
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Ray O'Hara - 29 Nov 2006 05:50 GMT > >> If you can calculate how much oil is left in Iraq and how long it will > >> take to pump Iraq's wells dry, you should be able to come up with a [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > > What a refreshing change! that's DSH ,bringing folks together.
The Highlander - 29 Nov 2006 15:57 GMT >> >> If you can calculate how much oil is left in Iraq and how long it will >> >> take to pump Iraq's wells dry, you should be able to come up with a [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > that's DSH ,bringing folks together. LOL!
The Highlander
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TOliver - 30 Nov 2006 15:28 GMT "The Highlander" <micheil@shaw.ca> wrote...
>>> >> If you can calculate how much oil is left in Iraq and how long it >>> >> will [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> > LOL! Bad news for that position....According the an industry publication I read (while waiting for the damn drilling company to spud in over on Kichi Creek, natural gas prices now too low to stimulate drilling), at current rates of drilling and pumping, Iraq has many, many years of "prven" reserves and a fair slate of "unproven" potential. The problem these days is getting the oil out of the country fast enough...
Were I Canadian, I be buying stock in companies working up in the oil sands. That oil, most of it not of the optimal grades, is pricy enough fro profitable production, providing Canada with more reserves that Iraq could dream about. By your brand of conventionally warped logic, we'll be invading Canada soon.
When ever I hear folks griping about ExxonMobil profits, I'm always mindful that the company's stock is readily available at your nearest broker, allowing you to join in the windfall. Persoanlally, I've tended to sink my modest shekels into pipeline companies, the best long term bet.
TMO
D. Spencer Hines - 30 Nov 2006 18:25 GMT Yep...
I own lots of it.
DSH
> When ever I hear folks griping about ExxonMobil profits, I'm always > mindful that the company's stock is readily available at your nearest > broker, allowing you to join in the windfall. Persoanlally, I've tended > to sink my modest shekels into pipeline companies, the best long term bet. > > TMO Ray O'Hara - 29 Nov 2006 00:22 GMT > Hilarious! > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Dial Joe-4-Chávez > Massachusetts Democrats love Venezuela's strongman. william delahunt {d} massachusetts was just on the boston PBS news show 'greater boston' hosted by emily rooney{andy's daughter} 11/28/06 7pm. he mentioned they asked every oil company if they wanted to match or enter into an agreement like citgo has with the state. they all refused.
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