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History Forum / General / British History / December 2006The Term "Hard Liquor" -- Jejune & Funkily Old-Fashioned
"Hard Liquor" -- is a term not favored by sophisticated, enlightened, _au courant_ people, The Cognoscenti -- who simply say "Champagne" -- "Scotch" -- "Cognac" -- "Claret" [as the Brits do] -- "Bourbon" -- "Sauterne" -- "Burgundy" -- "Bordeaux" -- "Sauternes" -- "Sherry" -- "Port" -- "Crème de Menthe" -- "Drambuie" -- "Cherry Heering" -- "Cointreau" -- "Curacao" -- "Goldschlager" -- and so forth -- as I pointed out previously. Pogue Scatterbrain [Satterfield] who is NOT very sophisticated, _au courant_ or enlightened -- prefers to use it -- because it's part of his Native Culture in Oklahoma. Not Surprising -- Not Surprising At All. Pogues Will Be Pogues... It's also in the TAX LAW -- Pogue Scatterbrain, an ex-lawyer [he allegedly no longer practices, so he tells us] -- ergo the Federal "Revenuers" -- always wanting to tax booze -- can get their pound of flesh. Pogue Brannigan has helpfully told us about the tax laws. Further, Pogue Scatterbrain was AFRAID to answer my question about "Dry Counties" in Oklahoma -- where he lives -- because THAT shows that Christian Fundamentalists [whom Pogue Scatterbrain has Great Distrust and Dislike for] STILL have the Great Power in Oklahoma to set Prohibition Rules in an entire County -- wherein alcohol is regulated sharply. Different Rules pertain in each county. In FACT -- 31 of the 77 Counties in Oklahoma ARE DRY, in one way or another. That's over 40% of the Oklahoma counties. ----------------------------------------------------- "Thirty-one Oklahoma counties remain "dry," according to ABLE. But even the counties that permit liquor sales by the drink do so with an assortment of caveats, including no on-site consumption on Sundays." "Nineteen counties have prohibitions that will keep businesses from having New Year's events at which alcohol other than low-point beer is served, Patton said." "Twenty-nine of the state's "wet" counties prohibit liquor consumption at restaurants, taverns and casinos during certain hours on Sundays." ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Further, as we know, New Year's Eve is a SUNDAY. Pogue Scatterbrain wanted to HIDE revelation about the "Dry Counties" -- whereas I think you have a Right To Know. Vide Infra: -------------------------------------------------------------------- Sunday holiday dry for some By RHETT MORGAN World Staff Writer 12/13/2006 There are Oklahoma counties that won't serve liquor on New Year's Eve. Thousands of Oklahoma revelers bent on toasting 2007 will face a sobering reality on New Year's Eve. Twenty-nine of the state's "wet" counties prohibit liquor consumption at restaurants, taverns and casinos during certain hours on Sundays. And this year, New Year's Eve is a Sunday. The law, which doesn't pertain to the intake of low-point -- or 3.2 beer -- affects many counties in northeastern Oklahoma, including Cherokee, Mayes, Muskogee, Payne and Rogers, said Marta Patton, deputy director for the state's Alcoholic Beverage Laws Enforcement Commission. "They can go back and re-vote, which is what I told them the last time somebody called about it," Patton said of the New Year's Eve restrictions. "This doesn't happen very often, but when it does, it certainly can set you loose if you're not expecting it." The 1959 Oklahoma constitutional amendment that halted more than a half century of Prohibition in the state included a requirement that liquor stores close on Sundays, certain holidays and election days while the polls are open. Last month, voters OK'd a state question that ended the election-day liquor ban. The county-option amendment adopted in 1984, however, allowed Oklahoma counties with liquor by the drink to decide for themselves when bars and restaurants could serve alcohol. Thirty-one Oklahoma counties remain "dry," according to ABLE. But even the counties that permit liquor sales by the drink do so with an assortment of caveats, including no on-site consumption on Sundays. Nineteen counties have prohibitions that will keep businesses from having New Year's events at which alcohol other than low-point beer is served, Patton said. A Rogers County proposition approved in April 1985 permits the "retail sale of alcoholic beverages by the individual drink for on-premises consumption" on all days except Sunday, Thanksgiving and Christmas, said Terri Thomas, Rogers County Election Board secretary. The county's proposition bans the sale of liquor from 2 a.m. Sunday, meaning partygoers will not be able to uncork the sparkling wine until after midnight New Year's Eve. When Sunday turns into Monday and 2006 officially becomes 2007, revelers will again be able to legally purchase the bubbly and mixed drinks. Questions about the measure are so common in Rogers County that residents often ask to review the ballot language in person, Thomas said. "It's one of those things that's requested enough that it's kept in a desk drawer pretty handy so we don't have to go back to the actual election file and pull it out," she said. Among the largest entertainment venues touched by the law will be the Cherokee Casino at Catoosa. The tribe, whose mixed beverage permit is through the state of Oklahoma, also operates a casino at the Will Rogers Downs in Rogers County near Claremore. "We've had big New Year's crowds with and without being able to serve alcohol," tribal spokesman Mike Miller said. "We know some people make that part of their New Year's experience, and we will have that available just after midnight. "It's still going to be a great place to be New Year's Eve." Jim McCarter, bar manager at American Legion Post 141 in Claremore, said the Legion is moving up its New Year's Eve party one day because of the liquor ban. Other places such as the local Elks Lodge and Veterans of Foreign Wars post are doing the same, he said. "Everybody here in the county is running a party either Friday or Saturday night," McCarter said. Angela Smalygo, manager at the Chili's restaurant in Claremore, said she doesn't expect customers to linger much past suppertime Dec. 31, which is typical for that evening. "Every place in Claremore will be closed way before midnight," she said. "I think they eat and then go to parties or off to Tulsa. "We're so used to it now. People don't understand why they can go to Owasso and get it (liquor), another 15 miles away, but I think they understand that it's not my law." A proposition to amend Rogers County's 1985 liquor option has never gone to a vote, Thomas said. But Rogers County Commissioners Randy Baldridge and Gerry Payne say they have fielded queries from eateries and casinos that would like to see the measure altered. "The way that it was voted in is the way that it would have to be changed," said Payne, a commissioner since 1991 who is in his final month of office. "Other than that, it's never been an issue at all. There just hasn't been enough interest over the years." http://www.tulsaworld.com/NewsStory.asp?ID=061213_To_A1_Sunda54931 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pogue Scatterbrain has, once again, been caught by the short hairs and then hoist with his own petar. ZAAAAAAAAAAPPPP! KAWHOMP!!! Hilarious! How Sweet It Is! An Early Christmas... DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum Mele Kalikimaka > "Hard Liquor" -- is a term not favored by sophisticated, enlightened, _au > courant_ people, The Cognoscenti -- who simply say "Champagne" -- [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Not Surprising -- Not Surprising At All. A place populated by nose picking, bib-overalled Baptist goobers, lacking savoir faire. Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and anit-freeze.... >> "Hard Liquor" -- is a term not favored by sophisticated, enlightened, _au >> courant_ people, The Cognoscenti -- who simply say "Champagne" -- [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and > anit-freeze.... That's understandable. Neither can most Scotsmen. I'm not sure that it is even available in Scotland come to think of it. >>> "Hard Liquor" -- is a term not favored by sophisticated, enlightened, >>> _au courant_ people, The Cognoscenti -- who simply say "Champagne" -- [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > Neither can most Scotsmen. > I'm not sure that it is even available in Scotland come to think of it. The anti-freeze has a sweet taste... >>>> "Hard Liquor" -- is a term not favored by sophisticated, >>>> enlightened, _au courant_ people, The Cognoscenti -- who simply [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > The anti-freeze has a sweet taste... However, cats like it, if only for a short time. ;-) >>> "Hard Liquor" -- is a term not favored by sophisticated, enlightened, _au >>> courant_ people, The Cognoscenti -- who simply say "Champagne" -- [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Neither can most Scotsmen. >I'm not sure that it is even available in Scotland come to think of it. Haven't seen it for ages. I've got a bottle but I bought it in Luxembourg (along with some of that Rioja you're partial to) -- jjj >>> Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>> anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > I've got a bottle but I bought it in Luxembourg > (along with some of that Rioja you're partial to) I think it's 'export only' as the quality isn't up to it. The only thing worse than black label is red label. Red label is only effective to minus 13 C so is also useless in Scotland. >>>> Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>>> anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > The only thing worse than black label is red label. > Red label is only effective to minus 13 C so is also useless in Scotland. I did a "double blind" study of 5 blended Scotches using 20 visiting Scottish firemen and fire engineering students who all claimed to be experienced Scotch drinkers. In a Blind taste test JWB was not only rated highest, it was rated highest by 14 of the tasters, and 2nd by 4 more. Chivas rated 2nd b ut teh difference was substantial margin then Buchanan's a close third Inver house rated higher Than Johnny walker red. Vince >>>>> Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>>>> anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > Buchanan's a close third > Inver house rated higher Than Johnny walker red. I vaguely remember -but not any details- some 'case' in the sixties about pricing cartels(?) involving Scotch - prior to that time, JW's Red _and_ Black label was available throughout the UK. IIRC, Black was sold at a higher price than Red. Subsequently 'Red' was withdrawn from sale in the UK and only 'Black' is now available. My memory of 'something occurring' can't be verified by looking at the various websites (all repeating the same factoids) which don't cite when 'Red' disappeared off shelves in the UK. Many retailers are too young to remember!  SignatureBrian >>>>> Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>>>> anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > experienced Scotch drinkers. In a Blind taste test JWB was not only rated > highest, it was rated highest by 14 of the tasters, and 2nd by 4 more. Just goes to show you that you can't trust firemen an inch. They should all have been burnt at the stake. I can't really comment as the only thing I would even consider using a blend for is arson. My own favourite is 10 year old Macallan. I realise it's a bit fiery for some but it's just my personal taste. I also like The Glenlivet but the trouble with that one is it's so mild I tend to quaff it like champagne. Not good for the hangover. > Chivas rated 2nd b ut teh difference was substantial margin then > Buchanan's a close third > Inver house rated higher Than Johnny walker red. Meths rates higher than Johnny Walker Red. A W-S Tell us more about how you actually conducted the test and what the comments of the Scots were. DSH > I did a "double blind" study of 5 blended Scotches using 20 visiting > Scottish firemen and fire engineering students who all claimed to be [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Vince > Tell us more about how you actually conducted the test and what the comments > of the Scots were. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Vince Dr. Ruth was in charge of double blinding the bottles. all the scotch was decanted into clean 16 oz water bottles. Each person was allowed a total of 100 ml in 10 10 ml samples. Each person got both scotches twice. They were in random order. The ratings were 5-1 with the following gloss 5) What you hoped to get as a Christmas present 4) Good bribe for the departmental Personal assistant 3) good bribe for the Department Professor 2) the kind of the stuff the professor might serve to the Students 1) the kind of swill the dean would serve at a party The internal agreement on the same scotch by the same drinker was reasonably high IIRC .6 with a SD .2 that is from memory, one of the students tabulated the data. Various statistical test were run. The average across all tests was a 3.3 once we "standardized" the scores JWB came out well on top Major flaw inthe test was the inability to blind for color of the scotch Vince Thanks. > Major flaw inthe test was the inability to blind for color of the scotch > [sic] Bingo! Lagavulin is darker than some. You could have blindfolded the testers. The one tester who did NOT pick JWB -- what did he/she pick? Were the testers all men or was there a gender mix? DSH >> Tell us more about how you actually conducted the test and what the >> comments of the Scots were. [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > > Vince > Thanks. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Lagavulin is darker than some. You could have blindfolded the testers. Jwb is also darker Next time we will use dark "cups" > The one tester who did NOT pick JWB -- what did he/she pick? Chivas > Were the testers all men or was there a gender mix? all men , but the female students assisted with making sure the men took only the rationed amount We also had written comments, some of which were Hilarious (most dealt with the suitability of the stuff for fire tests) Some were not even printable in this newsgroup Vince > DSH > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> >> Vince >>>> Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>>> anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >The only thing worse than black label is red label. >Red label is only effective to minus 13 C so is also useless in Scotland. And as it evaporates at 50 C has to be inhaled rather than drunk when imbibing in Oz. >>>>> Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>>>> anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > And as it evaporates at 50 C has to be inhaled rather than drunk when > imbibing in Oz. : ) You're not far wrong there cobber. I've just had a stiff brandy out on the verandah and you have to be quick let me tell you. It's only in the low 30's here but in some places inland it's already hitting over 45. Sod that. >>>> Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>>> anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >The only thing worse than black label is red label. >Red label is only effective to minus 13 C so is also useless in Scotland. Ghastly crap, isn't it? The Highlander Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns an post seo agus beachdan a' Ghàidheil. The views expressed in this post are not necessarily those of The Highlander. >>>>> Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>>>> anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >> > Ghastly crap, isn't it? Tried it once - that was enough. I just checked - both black and red label are in plentifull supply in the local offie here (Oz) The only malt is Glenfiddoch which I don't rate that highly either, though, unlike with red label, I wouldn't say no if pressed. This is a real one-horse town though - down in the sprawling megatropalis of Cairns one can aquire Macallan and about a dozen other decent malts - at anything up to $130 a pop however. I think thats about 52 quid. The cheapest cooking malts are about $70. I tend to drink Aussie Shiraz here - some of them are just about bearable and the second bottle is really rather good. There are almost no imported wines either from Europe or South America available even in Cairns, and none at all from California - which is a blessing of course. A W-S >>>>>>Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>>>>>anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > available even in Cairns, and none at all from California - which is a > blessing of course. You're in Cairns! I used to work with a guy from there. He couldn't wait to go home, and go home he eventually did. Lovely guy. I know a little about Cairns from him. The flies! The flies! As to Aussie wine, can't beat Hunter Valley Oak Smoked Chardonnay, for my liking. Even my sis-in-law, who never drinks, can't resist the stuff. Failing that, what about Palliser estate stuff? >>>> "Hard Liquor" -- is a term not favored by sophisticated, enlightened, _au >>>> courant_ people, The Cognoscenti -- who simply say "Champagne" -- [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >I've got a bottle but I bought it in Luxembourg >(along with some of that Rioja you're partial to) Our local Asda has red, black and green labels. The green is a 15yo selling for about 20 sovvies. I have a vague recollection that the black label was made 'export only' for a time about 30 years ago. Probably a marketing ploy to stimulate domestic demand. >>>> Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>>> anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >black label was made 'export only' for a time about 30 years ago. >Probably a marketing ploy to stimulate domestic demand. They copied Bush !! No stupid, not that Bush... but Bushmills... as in Whiskey Of course Bushmills is the real thing and is of course the oldest licensed whiskey distillery in the world under King James. There are half a dozen 'types' and colours. >>>>> Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>>>> anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] >licensed whiskey distillery in the world under King James. >There are half a dozen 'types' and colours. There can only be one ! I was on the Belfast - London flight one night and the guy next to me asked for a "Black" from the drinks trolley. The stewardess hadn't a clue what he was talking about even when he expanded it to "Bushmills Black Label" ! For the rest of the flight, we commiserated with one another (over a Scotch) on the abysmal ignorance of the *nglish when proper drink was involved. -- jjj > I was on the Belfast - London flight one night and the guy > next to me asked for a "Black" from the drinks trolley. > The stewardess hadn't a clue what he was talking about > even when he expanded it to "Bushmills Black Label" ! I actually prefer Black Bush to the (more expensive) green-labeled Bushmills (single) Malt. BB I guess everybody has some mountain to climb, it's just fate whether you live in Tibet or Kansas... >>>>>> Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and >>>>>> anit-freeze.... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > >-- jjj It's like dealing with apes, isn't it? The Highlander Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns an post seo agus beachdan a' Ghàidheil. The views expressed in this post are not necessarily those of The Highlander. >>For the rest of the flight, we commiserated with one >>another (over a Scotch) on the abysmal ignorance of [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > It's like dealing with apes, isn't it? Oi! Animal-lovers read this group you know. <snip> > Most of them can't tell the difference > between Johnny Walker black and > anit-freeze.... "Anit-freeze"? No, I don't suppose they can. M. ><snip> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >No, I don't suppose they can. It's a new cure for head lice ! -- jjj >M. >> "Hard Liquor" -- is a term not favored by sophisticated, enlightened, _au >> courant_ people, The Cognoscenti -- who simply say "Champagne" -- [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > Most of them can't tell the difference between Johnny Walker black and > anit-freeze.... They can probably spell better than you can. On 12/21/06 6:32 PM, in article 0001HW.C1B091DF00037C81F0488530@news.planttel.net, "Joel Edge" <joeledge@planttel.net> wrote: > On Wed, 20 Dec 2006 18:13:27 -0500, J Antero wrote >> "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > They can probably spell better than you can. Spelling aside, Antero is so meanspirited, he makes DSH appear to have adequate social skills. Grey Satterfield >On 12/21/06 6:32 PM, in article >0001HW.C1B091DF00037C81F0488530@news.planttel.net, "Joel Edge" [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > >Grey Satterfield The mind boggles... The Highlander Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns an post seo agus beachdan a' Ghàidheil. The views expressed in this post are not necessarily those of The Highlander. On 12/22/06 3:55 PM, in article c1loo2pm9grsmjt6i848akud7mr94prtcf@4ax.com, >> On 12/21/06 6:32 PM, in article >> 0001HW.C1B091DF00037C81F0488530@news.planttel.net, "Joel Edge" [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > The mind boggles... Yeah, I might have been a bit unfair to Antero. A thousand pardons. Grey Satterfield > "Hard Liquor" -- is a term not favored by sophisticated, enlightened, _au > courant_ people, The Cognoscenti -- who simply say "Champagne" -- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "Cointreau" -- "Curacao" -- "Goldschlager" -- and so forth -- as I pointed > out previously. Who do I think of when I am looking for synonyms for "tired" and "with a bad smell"? Certainly not someone sophisticated, enlightened, au courant, and certainly not cognoscenti. Most people who reach the level of sophistication implied will order by brand, unless they are either insufficiently funded or poorly briefed. >"Hard Liquor" -- is a term not favored by sophisticated, enlightened, _au >courant_ people, The Cognoscenti -- who simply say "Champagne" -- [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >"Cointreau" -- "Curacao" -- "Goldschlager" -- and so forth -- as I pointed >out previously. >Pogue Scatterbrain [Satterfield] who is NOT very sophisticated, _au courant_ >or enlightened -- prefers to use it -- because it's part of his Native >Culture in Oklahoma. These superior remarks above come as rather a surprise from someone who had to have me; a Scot; explain just two days ago that Bourbon is a subset of the term Whiskey. Meeting a sophisticated Hines is rather like meeting a Rabbi Hitler; an unlikely combination. As you are the descendant of the owners of an Alabama whorehouse, I find myself amused by how swiftly you have helped yourself up the social ladder... Now that we Scots have proved that your claim to be of Scottish aristocratic descent has all the earmarks of someone suffering from severe self-delusion, I hardly see why you should feel yourself to be superior to someone who comes from the state next door to your native Alabama. I shall refrain from giving my own opinion of the American South, but apart from Kentucky where she goes to buy race horses, I honestly doubt that your chance of bumping into the Queen at Win-Dixie is pretty slim. Not , I imagine, that she would be thrilled by meeting D. Spencer Hines at the Underwear Blow-out Sale. Just thought I'd add my two pennies' worth to keep this thread within the bounds of reality. The vision of His Grace, the Marquis of Kailua lording it over his loyal American subjects strains even my sesne of whimsy. Please continue with your fantasies... >Not Surprising -- Not Surprising At All. > [quoted text clipped - 144 lines] >Pogue Scatterbrain has, once again, been caught by the short hairs and then >hoist with his own petar. On the contrary, I think you have just proved yourself to be the ill-informed horse's arse that we at soc.culture.scottish are convinced you are. Fac ut vivas! (Get a life.) The Highlander Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns an post seo agus beachdan a' Ghàidheil. The views expressed in this post are not necessarily those of The Highlander. > As you are the descendant of the owners of an Alabama Kentucky. You've been reminded several times that someone wrongly mentioned Alabama. But it's Bowling Green, Kentucky. |
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