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History Forum / General / British History / December 2006Eustace II, Comte de Boulogne et Lens -- Incident At Dover -- 1051
Ah, yes... Great-Grandfather Eustace II, [c. 1030-1080] comte de Boulogne et Lens, was indeed an incorrigible rascal. Dover was an important English naval port and Eustace should not have been killing the natives. They clearly gave him and his frog ragamuffins punishment in full measure for forcibly trying to quarter his men in their homes. Historical Incidents such as this are why we Americans have our Bill of Rights -- right in the Constitution of the United States. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment III - Quartering of Soldiers. Ratified 12/15/1791. "No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law." DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Fortem Posce Animum Deus Vult "Vaughan Sanders" <vjs@jamie-san.demon.co.uk> wrote in message news:en6jes$3t$1$8302bc10@news.demon.co.uk... > "ricland" <riclanders@gmail.com> wrote in message > news:1167168791.366709.174710@48g2000cwx.googlegroups.com... >> Leading up to 1066 a distant nephew of Edward the Confessor triggers >> Harold Godwin's exile. >> >> Can anyone tell me exactly how Eustace III of Boulogne caused this >> incident. I know the incident involved a lost of life of several >> Norman's and at least one Englishman. I was wondering if someone could >> provide more detail. >> >> The library is closed today, so I can't get it myself. >> >> Thank you. > > (ASCde, 1048) > > "And then came Eustace [Earl of Boulogne] from beyond sea soon after the > bishop, and went to the king, and spoke with him that which he then would, > and went then homeward. When he came to Canterbury, east, then took he > refreshment there, and his men, and went to Dover. When he was some mile > or more, on this side of Dover, then he put on his breast-plate, and so > did all his companions, and went to Dover. When they came thither, then > would they lodge themselves where they chose. Then came one of his men, > and would abide in the house of a householder against his will, and > wounded the householder; and the householder slew the other. Then Eustace > got upon his horse, and his companions upon theirs; and they went to the > householder, and slew him within his own dwelling; and they went up > towards the town, and slew, as well within as without, more than twenty > men. And the townsmen slew nineteen men on the other side, and wounded > they knew not how many. And Eustace escaped with a few men, and went again > to the king, and made known to him, in part, how they had fared. And the > king became very wroth with the townsmen. And the king sent off Godwin the > earl, and bade him go into Kent in a hostile manner to Dover: for Eustace > had made it appear to the king, that it had been more the fault of the > townsmen than his: but it was not so. And the earl would not consent to > the inroad, because he was loth to injure his own people. Then the king > sent after all his council, and bade them come to Gloucester, nigh the > aftermass of St. Mary. Then had the Welshmen erected a castle in > Herefordshire among the people of Sweyn the earl, and wrought every kind > of harm and disgrace to the king's men there about which they could. Then > came Godwin the earl, and Sweyn the earl, and Harold the earl, together at > Beverstone, and many men with them, in order that they might go to their > royal lord, and to all the peers who were assembled with him, in order > that they might have the advice of the king and his aid, and of all this > council, how they might avenge the king's disgrace, and the whole > nation's. Then were the Welshmen with the king beforehand, and accused the > earls, so that they might not come within his eyes' sight; because they > said that they were coming thither in order to betray the king. Thither > had come Siward the earl [Of Northumbria] and Leofric the earl [Of > Mercia], and much people with them, from the north, to the king; and it > was made known to the Earl Godwin and his sons, that the king and the men > who were with him, were taking counsel concerning them: and they arrayed > themselves on the other hand resolutely, though it were loathful to them > that they should stand against their royal lord. Then the peers on either > side decreed that every kind of evil should cease: and the king gave the > peace of God and his full friendship to either side. Then the king and his > peers decreed that a council of all the nobles should be held for the > second time in London at the harvest equinox; and the king directed the > army to be called out, as well south of the Thames as north, all that was > in any way most eminent. Then declared they Sweyn the earl an outlaw, and > summoned Godwin the earl and Harold the earl, to the council, as quickly > as they could effect it. When they had come thither, then were they > summoned into the council. Then required he safe conduct and hostages, so > that he might come, unbetrayed, into the council and out of the council. > Then the king demanded all the thanes whom the earls before had: and they > granted them all into his hands. Then the king sent again to them, and > commanded them that they should come with twelve men to the king's > council. Then the earl again required safe conduct and hostages, that he > might defend himself against each of those things which were laid to him. > Then were the hostages refused him; and he was allowed a safe conduct for > five nights to go out of the land. And then Godwin the earl and Sweyn the > earl went to Bosham, and shoved out their ships, and betook themselves > beyond sea, and sought Baldwin's protection, and abode there all the > winter. And Harold the earl went west to Ireland, and was there all the > winter within the king's protection. And soon after this happened, then > put away the king the lady who had been consecrated his queen [Editha], > and caused to be taken from her all which she possessed, in land, and in > gold, and in silver, and in all things, and delivered her to his sister at > Wherwell. And Abbot Sparhafoc was then driven out of the bishopric of > London, and William the king's priest was ordained thereto. And then Odda > was appointed earl over Devonshire, and over Somerset, and over Dorset, > and over the Welsh. And Algar, the son of Leofric the earl, was appointed > to the earldom which Harold before held." > > Edward and his Normans were deliberately provoking the Godwins, it would > lead to their downfall, see EER for the hostility between Godwin and > Robert of Jumieges. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Encomium_Emmae > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_of_Jumieges > > Jamie > Ah, yes... <trim> > Historical Incidents such as this are why we Americans have our Bill of > Rights -- right in the Constitution of the United States. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > DSH <trim>> As I'm sure a man of your immense erudition will be aware, there are differing views of this Dover incident; only a tedious controversialist would attach himself thus to one side of a quarrel so ancient, and only an inveterate anachronist would go on to attempt to compare the moral and political standpoints of such incomparable centuries. Pete Stretton -- I don't disclaim my standards -- and followups trimmed to remove the US military, navy etcetera, who cannot in all reason be expected to give a flying anal effusion about this sort of thing. Ah, yes... Great-Grandfather Eustace II, [c. 1030-1080] comte de Boulogne et Lens, was indeed an incorrigible rascal. Eustace II, Comte de Boulogne et Lens has tens of millions of descendents living today. He was reportedly badly wounded at the Battle of Hastings, at the Malfosse, but survived and lived for another 14 years. For example, anyone who has a legitimate descent from King Edward III of England is one of Eustace II's descendents. Dover was an important English naval port and Eustace should not have been killing and abusing the natives -- quartering his people where they were not welcome. They clearly gave him and his frog ragamuffins punishment in full measure for forcibly trying to quarter his men in their homes. Historical Incidents such as this are why we Americans have our Bill of Rights -- right in the Constitution of the United States. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment III - Quartering of Soldiers. Ratified 12/15/1791. "No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law." DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Fortem Posce Animum Deus Vult >> Leading up to 1066 a distant nephew of Edward the Confessor triggers >> Harold Godwin's exile. [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > Jamie The Rebel Surprise Near Tamai TWAS on the 22nd of March, in the year 1885, That the Arabs rushed like a mountain torrent in full drive, And quickly attacked General M'Neill's transport-zereba, But in a short time they were forced to withdraw. And in the suddenness of surprise the men were carried away, Also camels, mules, and horses were thrown into wild disarray, By thousands of the Arabs that in ambush lay, But our brave British heroes held the enemy at bay. There was a multitude of camels heaped upon one another, Kicking and screaming, while many of them did smother, Owing to the heavy pressure of the entangled mass, That were tramping o'er one another as they lay on the grass. The scene was indescribable, and sickening to behold, To see the mass of innocent brutes lying stiff and cold, And the moaning cries of them were pitiful to hear, Likewise the cries of the dying men that lay wounded in the rear. Then General McNeill ordered his men to form in solid square, Whilst deafening shouts and shrieks of animals did tend the air, And the rush of stampeded camels made a fearful din, While the Arabs they did yell, and fiendishly did grin. Then the gallant Marines formed the east side of the square, While clouds of dust and smoke did darken the air, And on the west side the Berkshire were engaged in the fight, Firing steadily and cooly with all their might. Still camp followers were carried along by the huge animal mass, And along the face of the zereba 'twas difficult to pass, Because the mass of brutes swept on in wild dismay, Which caused the troops to be thrown into disorderly array. Then Indians and Bluejackets were all mixed together back to back, And for half-an-hour the fire and din didn't slack; And none but steady troops could have stood that fearful shock, Because against overwhelming numbers they stood as firm as a rock. The Arabs crept among the legs of the animals without any dread, But by the British bullets many were killed dead, And left dead on the field and weltering in their gore, Whilst the dying moans of the camels made a hideous roar. Then General McNeill to his men did say, Forward! my lads, and keep them at bay! Come, make ready, my men, and stand to your arms, And don't be afraid of war's alarms So forward! and charge them in front and rear, And remember you are fighting for your Queen and country dear, Therefore, charge them with your bayonets, left and right, And we'll soon put this rebel horde to flight. Then forward at the bayonet-charge they did rush, And the rebel horde they soon did crush; And by the charge of the bayonet they kept them at bay, And in confusion and terror they all fled away. The Marines held their own while engaged hand-to-hand, And the courage they displayed was really very grand; But it would be unfair to praise one corps more than another, Because each man fought as if he'd been avenging the death of a brother. The Berkshire men and the Naval Brigade fought with might and main, And, thank God! the British have defeated the Arabs again, And have added fresh laurels to their name, Which will be enrolled in the book of fame. 'Tis lamentable to think of the horrors of war, That men must leave their homes and go abroad afar, To fight for their Queen and country in a foreign land, Beneath the whirlwind's drifting scorching sand. But whatsoever God wills must come to pass, The fall of a sparrow, or a tiny blade of grass; Also, man must fall at home by His command, Just equally the same as in a foreign land. You posted that twice, were you having a baby or something? >>> Leading up to 1066 a distant nephew of Edward the Confessor triggers >>> Harold Godwin's exile. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >>> >>> Thank you. Eustace II was the brother in law of Edward; he had married his sister Goda. The nephew you are thinking of is Ralph the Timid, son of Goda and her first husband, Drogo of Mantes. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_the_Timid Ralph was given command of Hereford, part of Sweyne Godwinsson's territory at that time. In OE "here" is raiding-army and Hereford was the key defensive position against Welsh incursion. There were special rules for the Hereford fyrd in AS law, Ralph got his nickname "Timid" when commanding the fyrd against a Welsh incursion, he ordered them to fight on horse back in the Norman custom. He then with his Norman contingent bolted leaving the fyrd to it. During the Godwins exile, Edward took the opportunity to disband the Danish fleet, presumably because he feared their loyalty was to the Godwins. When the Godwins appeared in the Thames with a fleet raised in Flanders and Ireland it was Ralph who confronted them in command of the remaining King's fleet, he apparently backed down again. Btw, Eustace II was involved in another incident at Dover in 1067. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eustace_II_of_Boulogne Jamie 1093 appears to be a better date for Eustace II's death than 1080 -- but sources differ, as we know. DSH ---------------------------------------------------------- Ah, yes... Great-Grandfather Eustace II, [c. 1030-1093] comte de Boulogne et Lens, was indeed an incorrigible rascal. Eustace II, Comte de Boulogne et Lens has tens of millions of descendents living today. He was reportedly badly wounded at the Battle of Hastings, at the Malfosse, but survived and lived for another 27 years. For example, anyone who has a legitimate descent from King Edward III of England is one of Eustace II's descendents. Edward III is sometimes described as the ancestor of the British middle class. Dover was an important English naval port and Eustace should not have been killing and abusing the natives -- quartering his people where they were not welcome. They clearly gave him and his frog ragamuffins punishment in full measure for forcibly trying to quarter his men in their homes. Historical Incidents such as this are why we Americans have our Bill of Rights -- right in the Constitution of the United States. --------------------------------------------------------------------------- Amendment III - Quartering of Soldiers. Ratified 12/15/1791. "No Soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the Owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law." DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Fortem Posce Animum Deus Vult >> Leading up to 1066 a distant nephew of Edward the Confessor triggers >> Harold Godwin's exile. [quoted text clipped - 86 lines] > > Jamie A Companion of the Conqueror who fought at the Battle of Hastings on 14 Oct 1066. He seems to have been severely wounded in the action at the 'Malfosse' on that same day. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas --------------------------------------------------- EUSTACE II, COUNT OF BOULOGNE The Conqueror and His Companions by J.R. Planché, Somerset Herald. London: Tinsley Brothers, 1874. He was the son of Eustace I and Mahaut, daughter of Lambert the Bearded, Count of Louvain, and succeeded his father in or about 1047, being distinguished from him, who was called "à l'oeil" (" with the eye") by the sobriquet of "aux Grenons," or "Als Gernons" ("with the whiskers"), the origin of the modern name of Algernon. ---------------------------------------------------- Capital! DSH Veritas Vos Liberabit Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum King Edward III is "often described as the ancestor of the British upper-middle class" (Burke's Presidential Families of the USA, 1981) because he has many millions of living descendents, mostly through his sons John of Gaunt and Lionel of Antwerp. Anyone who is a legitimate descendent of Edward III is also a descendent of William The Conqueror, King Harold II and Eustace II, comte de Boulogne -- as well as King Henry II 'Curtmantle' and Eleanor of Aquitaine, of course -- as well as many others, including Charlemagne. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Deus Vult Exitus Acta Probat |
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