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D. Spencer Hines - 23 Feb 2007 21:18 GMT
Yes...

Another Good One.

I've often seen Fuji that way -- from my garden -- looming up over the
landscape.

DSH

"Bryn" <Scotland-the-Brave@finhall.GREMLINSdemon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:njQl0sBm3z3FFwA1@finhall.demon.co.uk...

> Spring--through
> morning mist,
> what mountain's there?
>
> Bashõ
>
> (This is Bashõ doing irony)
Jack Linthicum - 23 Feb 2007 22:10 GMT
On Feb 23, 4:18 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Yes...
>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
>
> > (This is Bashõ doing irony)

You were at Seya?
The Highlander - 24 Feb 2007 13:41 GMT
>Yes...
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>>
>> (This is Bashõ doing irony)

Here in Vancouver it's Mount Baker, often referred to by the older
Japanese locals as "Baker-san". The Japanese community has been here
for over 100 years, located on the edge of Richmond in a community
called Steveston and in thir own community as Sutebusuton. Most came
originally from Chiba and Nara Prefectures in Japan.

The community is extremely cohesive and celebrates all the traditional
festivals. They have an attractive Buddhist temple and what is thought
to be the finest dojo in all of North America.

http://www.judosask.ca/picpages/images/pacific2004-12.jpg

The Japanese and Caucasian communities are now integrated and
intermarriage is not uncommon. The results are very attractive, a
tall, handsome group with roots from all the world, like this
French-Canadian-Japanese girl.

http://static.flickr.com/54/152408477_9de42f8004.jpg

In Vancouver there is a Japanese part of town, but the jewel in the
crown is the Nitobe Gardens in the UBC (University of British
Columbia) grounds, considered to be the finest Japanese garden outside
Japan
http://martingoodman.com/soyouwanttobeawriter/uploaded_images/nitobe-726276.JPG

My wife and I would go there in summer to sit on the grass and play
Shogi (Japanese chess)

http://tinyurl.com/2qu4es

and Go, the apparently simplest yet highly complicated board game in
the world; which to date has defied all attempts to computerize it;
game at which my wife was superb, while I waded in her wake...

http://www.japan-101.com/culture/go_ancient_strategic_board_game.htm

The overall result is that Vancouver and Steveston attract hundreds of
visitors from Japan every year, many of whom are students who attend
UBC and other learning establishments.

Vancouver itself is an eclectic mixture of Caucasian, native
Canadians, Russians, whose churches are jewels and Scots, as well as
others from all over the world. Intermarriage is very common; many of
native Canadians are part-Hawaiian for example; the result of laws
forbidding Hawaiian sailors to marry Caucasian women in the old white
supremacy days. The largest non-Caucasian community is Chinese,
followed by Sikhs, but there are communities from every imaginable
region, including Tibet.

http://tinyurl.com/3cn5l8

Vancouver's old Chinese name is Ham Sui Fow - Salt Water City - but
the more recent immigrants call it Wan. The result is that dining out
is one of the great Vancouver customs as one can eat almost any
imaginable cuisine from Jamaican to English. There is even a Scottish
Cultural Centre, referred to by my wife as Vancouver's finest example
of an oxymoron... There is an English presence, but muted and as a
multi-cultural community, there are festivals through the summer which
are widely attended by people of all origins which act as showpieces
for each national group, including a vast parade for Canada Day when
national costumes are worn and is a focal point for meeting attractive
young ladies by youths like my handsome very Highland-looking grandson
whose major interests seem to revolve around his bed, unaccompanied or
otherwise... http://tinyurl.com/yuxz2l

   

The Highlander

Faodaidh nach ionann na beachdan anns
an post seo agus beachdan a' Ghàidheil.
The views expressed in this post are  
not necessarily those of The Highlander.
Jack Linthicum - 24 Feb 2007 14:04 GMT
> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:18:38 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> Here in Vancouver it's Mount Baker, often referred to by the older
> Japanese locals as "Baker-san".

The real trick is can you see Mount Rainier? Hines was stationed in
Misawa, easily 250 miles from Fuji, and garden or no garden, a long
look. I was stationed about 30 miles from Fuji, and I would suspect
Bosho was living in Edo (Tokyo), a little bit further away, when he
wrote those lines.
D. Spencer Hines - 24 Feb 2007 17:48 GMT
Hilarious!

Pogue Linthicum has NO IDEA where I was "stationed" and where my residences
and my GARDENS were -- during my many sojourns in Japan.

What a ridiculous idiot!

FURTHER:

Pogue Linthicum flunks Junior High School Geography.

Tokyo is about 60 miles from Fuji-san [Mount Fuji], NOT "a little bit
further away" -- indeed TWICE as far away from Fuji-san as Pogue Linthicum
says he was ---- and Misawa is about 400 miles from Fuji-san.

Damn, he's stupid -- and he's so foolish he goes PUBLIC with it -- and
FLAUNTS it.

FARBLONDJET!

Also, it's _Basho_ -- NOT _Bosho_ -- as Pogue Linthicum would have it.

Basho Matsuo (1644-1694)

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsuo_Bash%C5%8D>

How Sweet It Is!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:18:38 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
> <poguemid...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >Yes...
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Here in Vancouver it's Mount Baker, often referred to by the older
> Japanese locals as "Baker-san".

The real trick is can you see Mount Rainier? Hines was stationed in
Misawa, easily 250 miles from Fuji, and garden or no garden, a long
look. I was stationed about 30 miles from Fuji, and I would suspect
Bosho [sic] was living in Edo (Tokyo), a little bit further away, when he
wrote those lines.
Jack Linthicum - 24 Feb 2007 21:29 GMT
On Feb 24, 12:48 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Hilarious!
>
[quoted text clipped - 57 lines]
> Bosho [sic] was living in Edo (Tokyo), a little bit further away, when he
> wrote those lines.

You are aware that Tokyo is not a point on a map?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo

Machida ward is about 8 miles from Seya, Seya is about 32 miles from
Fuji, if you have to go all the way downtown and where Edo was I guess
you could say it was bit further away. But then I've been there.

http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~kohl/basho/1-prologue/01-3.html

Matsuo Basho Museum
The famous poet and haiku master Basho Matsuo (芭蕉松男) lived here from
1680 to 1682, along by the Sumida River, between the Shin-Ohashi
Bridge and Kiyosu Bridge.

This museum is situated on the grounds of Basho's former hermitage
("Basho-an"). Several of Basho's most acclaimed haiku and travel
journals such as "Okuno Hosomichi" were composed while he was staying
at "Basho-an". The Museum keeps the collection of materials related to
Basho.

The museum is 7 minute walk from Morishita station (Address : 1-6-3
Tokiwa, Koto-ku).
http://www.jref.com/practical/ryogoku_morishita.shtml
Bryn - 24 Feb 2007 22:30 GMT
I
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo
>
>http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~kohl/basho/1-prologue/01-3.html
>
>Matsuo Basho Museum

>http://www.jref.com/practical/ryogoku_morishita.shtml

Nice links Jack.. Thanks..
Signature

Mirroring each other:
white narcissi,
paper screen.

Bashõ

Jack Linthicum - 25 Feb 2007 13:29 GMT
On Feb 24, 5:30 pm, Bryn <Scotland-the-
Br...@finhall.GREMLINSdemon.co.uk> wrote:
> I
>
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Bashõ

You have not cited Basho's (Banana Leaf's) best haiku, from his
traveling days:

Fleas and lice did bite;
         And I'd hear the horse pass water
                   Near my bed at night.

The characters that form Basho/Bosho/Boso's name mean "banana leaf"
and are pronounced the same. Japanese like to play with the characters
of a name and will often come up with some really strange nick-names
for people or places.

Bosho is also famous for his travel diaries.
Bryn - 25 Feb 2007 15:00 GMT
>On Feb 24, 5:30 pm, Bryn <Scotland-the-
>Br...@finhall.GREMLINSdemon.co.uk> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 21 lines]
>          And I'd hear the horse pass water
>                    Near my bed at night.

I think the man would have been fun at a party..

>The characters that form Basho/Bosho/Boso's name mean "banana leaf"
>and are pronounced the same. Japanese like to play with the characters
>of a name and will often come up with some really strange nick-names
>for people or places.
>
>Bosho is also famous for his travel diaries.

I had a glance at those on the site.. Quite a guy...

Signature

Now cat's done
mewing, bedroom's
touched by moonlight.

Bashõ

Jack Linthicum - 25 Feb 2007 18:03 GMT
On Feb 25, 10:00 am, Bryn <Scotland-the-
Br...@finhall.GREMLINSdemon.co.uk> wrote:
> In message <1172410150.734147.113...@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>, Jack
> Linthicum <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> writes
[quoted text clipped - 42 lines]
>
> Bashõ

The "horse pissing" verse comes from him hiking down from his home
north of Edo with a friend at the age of 40. The reviewer thanks  the
times for forcing him to travel slowly, look at everything and extract
a sense from what he saw.

Have you ever read Shank's Mare?

http://www.amazon.com/Shanks-Mare-Japans-Travel-Ribaldry/dp/0804815801

Later era, by about 50-60 years but gives the flavor.
D. Spencer Hines - 25 Feb 2007 19:06 GMT
Matsuo Basho's first name is uniformly pronounced _Bahshow_, with a long
"o", by Japanese ---- and the English spelling is, as previously noted,
_Basho_ , or sometimes, even better, with a line over the "o" to indicate a
long "o" -- not some variant spelling.

You can see the Japanese _kanji_, the characters forming his name, at this
site.

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsuo_Bash%C5%8D>

'Nuff Said.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Jack Linthicum - 25 Feb 2007 20:36 GMT
On Feb 25, 2:06 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Matsuo Basho's first name is uniformly pronounced _Bahshow_, with a long
> "o", by Japanese ---- and the English spelling is, as previously noted,
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Okay, I misremembered, but if you do google you will see many examples
of the name as Bosho. Now when were you in Japan and where? Other than
Misawa?
D. Spencer Hines - 25 Feb 2007 23:21 GMT
Hilarious!

Pogue Linthicum gets his Japanese Romaji spellings by just doing an
anserine, simple Google Search.

Veronique, it just doesn't get any better than this.

Enjoy!

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Jack Linthicum - 25 Feb 2007 23:33 GMT
On Feb 25, 6:21 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com>
wrote:
> Hilarious!
>
[quoted text clipped - 8 lines]
>
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Where were you stationed in Japan and when?
D. Spencer Hines - 24 Feb 2007 17:44 GMT
A Nice Summary.

How many Japanese in Vancouver, Richmond, et al.?

> The Japanese and Caucasian communities are now integrated and
> intermarriage is not uncommon. The results are very attractive, a
> tall, handsome group with roots from all the world, like this
> French-Canadian-Japanese girl.
>
> http://static.flickr.com/54/152408477_9de42f8004.jpg

Yes, we call them _hapa_ here in Hawai'i -- "half" -- such as my beautiful
children.

Vancouver sounds most attractive.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

>>Yes...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 84 lines]
> The views expressed in this post are
> not necessarily those of The Highlander.
D. Spencer Hines - 24 Feb 2007 22:05 GMT
Hilarious!

Pogue Linthicum has NO IDEA where I was "stationed" and where my residences
and my GARDENS were -- during my many sojourns in Japan.

What a ridiculous idiot!

FURTHER:

Pogue Linthicum flunks Junior High School Geography.

Tokyo is about 60 miles from Fuji-san [Mount Fuji], NOT "a little bit
further away" -- indeed TWICE as far away from Fuji-san as Pogue Linthicum
says he was ---- and Misawa is about 400 miles from Fuji-san.

Damn, he's stupid -- and he's so foolish he goes PUBLIC with it -- and
FLAUNTS it.

FARBLONDJET!

Also, it's _Basho_ -- NOT _Bosho_ -- as Pogue Linthicum would have it.

Basho Matsuo (1644-1694)

<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matsuo_Bash%C5%8D>

How Sweet It Is!

Subsequently, Pogue Linthicum rabbited off into irrelevancies and red
herrings.

Hilarious!

Pogues On The Run...

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum

> On Fri, 23 Feb 2007 21:18:38 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
> <poguemid...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> >Yes...
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> Here in Vancouver it's Mount Baker, often referred to by the older
> Japanese locals as "Baker-san".

The real trick is can you see Mount Rainier? Hines was stationed in
Misawa, easily 250 miles from Fuji, and garden or no garden, a long
look. I was stationed about 30 miles from Fuji, and I would suspect
Bosho [sic] was living in Edo (Tokyo), a little bit further away, when he
wrote those lines.
 
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