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History Forum / General / British History / March 2007Results: From The "There Are No Facts In History" Educational Philosophy
Yes, many of them really are this stupid, Renia. This is what we Americans have reaped from the poisoned seeds sown by the Pogue-Gans "Educators" -- the ones who insist "There are no facts in History" -- "There are no historical facts" and who teach a watered-down, anemic, slack-arsed, emasculated version of Sociology that eschews FACTS in favor of: 1. Political Correctness 2. "Consciousness-Raising" 3. "Points Of View" 4. "Trends" 5. "Self Expression" 6. "Sensitivity Training" 7. "Cross-Cultural Understanding" We now have several generations of damaged goods in the United States, who can't even answer simple questions such as these. Further, these people are pig-ignorant about Geography -- as we can see -- and think Australia is North Korea and Tasmania is South Korea. Everyone should watch this video clip Renia has so graciously supplied to us. Listen, Watch & Weep... The rot set in shortly after Pogue Gans began his teaching career, circa 1963, and got progressively worse as his generation of Academics -- "Educators" -- matured, gained power and put their stamp on our Educational System. They think FACTS are not really all that important -- so pupils and students don't LEARN them. How do things compare in Britain? DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Exitus Acta Probat "Renia" <renia@DELETEotenet.gr> wrote in message news:eu8ouq$3rl$1@mouse.otenet.gr... > Are Americans really this stupid? < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE> > Yes, many of them really are this stupid, Renia. Finally we do agree on something. The atrocious education, indoctrination, of the Americans, empowered the Bush regime to turn the population into neurotic cowards by their war mongering. > This is what we Americans have reaped from the poisoned seeds sown by the > Pogue-Gans "Educators" -- the ones who insist "There are no facts in [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE> Dear sir, My name is Mr.Mallam Kachala, I am the chief security adviser to the formal president Charles Taylor of Liberia. I want to let you know that I have a huge amount of money that I want invest with you, as long as you can maintain trust and secrecy, a month before we left office a huge amount of money was handed over to me for purchasing of Arms from Germany.(US$20 million) to arrange Arms for the big fight against rebel forces before we were ordered to step down and move out of Liberia by United Nation and the head of ECOWAS countries, Immediately I notice the fall of president Charles Taylor, I quickly arrange and moved the fund out of Liberia through a diplomatic means for safe keeping in a security vault in Cotonou Rep of Benin, where the consignment is currently deposited and declared as a family treasures. Currently, I am out of Liberia and decided to hide in Cotonou, republic of Benin without the knowledge of Liberian Government and Charles Taylor and the entire Liberia Security Network for security reasons. Therefore I am soliciting for your help to secure this fund properly into your account for joint investment between you and me so as long as we can be honest with each other , I am going to make you the beneficiary to the fund as to enable retrieve the consignment out from the security Vault here in Cotonou Rep of Benin since I can not move freely. Every modalities on how to secure this money has been perfected which will be furnished to you Immediately you indicate your interest or sincere readiness to work with me in honesty and trust, also your direct phone/fax number are needed for easy communications. Awaiting for your urgent response thanks.You can also call me on private mailbox for more explanation. thanks. Best Regards, Mr.Mallam Kachala Whose facts? Columbus as a benign brilliant explorer or all those "Indians" with their arms chopped off? > Yes, many of them really are this stupid, Renia. > [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >> > < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE> Dear sir, My name is Mr.Mallam Kachala, I am the chief security adviser to the formal president Charles Taylor of Liberia. I want to let you know that I have a huge amount of money that I want invest with you, as long as you can maintain trust and secrecy, a month before we left office a huge amount of money was handed over to me for purchasing of Arms from Germany.(US$20 million) to arrange Arms for the big fight against rebel forces before we were ordered to step down and move out of Liberia by United Nation and the head of ECOWAS countries, Immediately I notice the fall of president Charles Taylor, I quickly arrange and moved the fund out of Liberia through a diplomatic means for safe keeping in a security vault in Cotonou Rep of Benin, where the consignment is currently deposited and declared as a family treasures. Currently, I am out of Liberia and decided to hide in Cotonou, republic of Benin without the knowledge of Liberian Government and Charles Taylor and the entire Liberia Security Network for security reasons. Therefore I am soliciting for your help to secure this fund properly into your account for joint investment between you and me so as long as we can be honest with each other , I am going to make you the beneficiary to the fund as to enable retrieve the consignment out from the security Vault here in Cotonou Rep of Benin since I can not move freely. Every modalities on how to secure this money has been perfected which will be furnished to you Immediately you indicate your interest or sincere readiness to work with me in honesty and trust, also your direct phone/fax number are needed for easy communications. Awaiting for your urgent response thanks.You can also call me on private mailbox for more explanation. thanks. Best Regards, Mr.Mallam Kachala Dear Mr. Kachala, I am atune with your entrepreneurial efforts. However, I would suggest you first research the USENET archives to find Bush supporters, and then direct your generous offer to them. > Dear sir, > [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Best Regards, > Mr.Mallam Kachala > Dear Mr. Kachala, > > I am atune with your entrepreneurial efforts. However, I would suggest you > first research the USENET archives to find Bush supporters, and then direct > your generous offer to them. Very good advice. Mr. Kachala should look for people with a big heart, where God can coexist with greed and stupidity. Tell us some stories. Renia will appreciate this. Her son is a policeman. DSH > By the way, as a cop of twenty-five years, I had the opportunity to meet > some remarkably stupid people. The few bobbies I've met can match me dolt > for dolt, idiot for idiot, and we can very easily reach a tie score for > morons. You just need to know where to look, wherever you are. > > Don H. Dear sir, My name is Mr.Mallam Kachala, I am the chief security adviser to the formal president Charles Taylor of Liberia. I want to let you know that I have a huge amount of money that I want invest with you, as long as you can maintain trust and secrecy, a month before we left office a huge amount of money was handed over to me for purchasing of Arms from Germany.(US$20 million) to arrange Arms for the big fight against rebel forces before we were ordered to step down and move out of Liberia by United Nation and the head of ECOWAS countries, Immediately I notice the fall of president Charles Taylor, I quickly arrange and moved the fund out of Liberia through a diplomatic means for safe keeping in a security vault in Cotonou Rep of Benin, where the consignment is currently deposited and declared as a family treasures. Currently, I am out of Liberia and decided to hide in Cotonou, republic of Benin without the knowledge of Liberian Government and Charles Taylor and the entire Liberia Security Network for security reasons. Therefore I am soliciting for your help to secure this fund properly into your account for joint investment between you and me so as long as we can be honest with each other , I am going to make you the beneficiary to the fund as to enable retrieve the consignment out from the security Vault here in Cotonou Rep of Benin since I can not move freely. Every modalities on how to secure this money has been perfected which will be furnished to you Immediately you indicate your interest or sincere readiness to work with me in honesty and trust, also your direct phone/fax number are needed for easy communications. Awaiting for your urgent response thanks.You can also call me on private mailbox for more explanation. thanks. Best Regards, Mr.Mallam Kachala > Yes, many of them really are this stupid, Renia. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > anemic, slack-arsed, emasculated version of Sociology that eschews FACTS in > favor of: I know you love to have a go at Paul Gans whenever you can, but you can't blame him for this one. Most of the questions asked in these interviews were junior-school level, not university undergraduate level. I have met more than a few Americans here in Europe who say (now that they are Europeanised) that their education in the USA was sadly lacking when it came to learning anything about any culture other than the USA. > 1. Political Correctness > [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > 7. "Cross-Cultural Understanding" All this is not unique to the USA. Sadly, Britain has followed it too, with disastrous results. But the answers to these interview questions are not really related to any of this. They are general-knowledge questions which most people would know the answers to, if they just watched the TV news. > > Yes, many of them really are this stupid, Renia. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > questions which most people would know the answers to, if they just > watched the TV news. I recently re-read a book by the late great Carl Sagan (he did the best RI Christmas Lectures I have ever seen - for those who dont know they are a 5 day series of lectures by eminent scientists for children) He bemoaned the sad state of American education one quote was something like 'how can we take so many bright enthusiastic 6 year olds and turn them into teenage morons with no interests' He also claimed that the best country for Chemistry education was the UK, which surprised me, having studied Chemistry! guy > I recently re-read a book by the late great Carl Sagan (he did the > best RI Christmas Lectures I have ever seen - for those who dont know > they are a 5 day series of lectures by eminent scientists for > children) He bemoaned the sad state of American education one quote > was something like 'how can we take so many bright enthusiastic 6 year > olds and turn them into teenage morons with no interests' Simple. You take those kids and plunk them in front of a television for six hours a day. >> I recently re-read a book by the late great Carl Sagan (he did the >> best RI Christmas Lectures I have ever seen - for those who dont know [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Simple. You take those kids and plunk them in front of a television > for six hours a day. http://www.space.com/entertainment/050927_sagan_cosmos.html "tomcervo" <tomcervo@aol.com> wrote... >> I recently re-read a book by the late great Carl Sagan (he did the >> best RI Christmas Lectures I have ever seen - for those who dont know [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Simple. You take those kids and plunk them in front of a television > for six hours a day. Well, let's see..... Give me some kids conditioned to 6 hours in front of the TV, add the vast (and now digitalized) range of libraried videos now available - even some of those corny bits from the History Channel, muster a handful of bright, attractive young men and women with academic backgrounds and successfully trained in "on screen" verbal communications, and I suspect that within a week or two the plan would begin to succeed at a rate far faster than the learning curve in most US public school academic programs. Technology long ago leap-frogged most of what US educational systems even attempt, and the potential success of a wholesale revamping of educational methodology is long overdue. As rotten as Hollywood is, there are more and potentially better "educators" in the TV and movie business, than there are among US school administrators and university education departments. Carl Sagan was no fluke, and even the worst of TV is a better teaching tool than most of the ghastly, ill-written textbooks our kids carry about, little more use than door-stoppers. Obviously, much of what is "out there" would require substantial cutting and editing, but don't try to tell me that your son's ill educated inexperienced 7th grade teacher could convey the Civil War as well as a couple of afternoons spent with the PBS (by the guy who did baseball, too) series of same, with Ted Turner's "Gettysburg" during the dinner (pizza & Cokes) hour. We continue to fail our children by attempting to force-feed a 19th century product down unwilling 21st century gullets. Aside from the basics of math (and a chunk of that could be better done on TV than by most teachers, Trig especially), I can't think of a single subject which does not lend itself to video, and in the case of math, computer prompted/guided learning could certainly exceed most "modern" or traditional teaching methods. TMO > Obviously, much of what is "out there" would require substantial cutting > and editing, but don't try to tell me that your son's ill educated > inexperienced 7th grade teacher could convey the Civil War as well as a > couple of afternoons spent with the PBS (by the guy who did baseball, too) > series of same, with Ted Turner's "Gettysburg" during the dinner (pizza & > Cokes) hour. Nope. Show _Gods And Generals_ first -- then, the following evening -- _Gettysburg_. Discussion sessions for each on following mornings. THEN treat them to Ken Burns' _The Civil War_ series. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Deus Vult On Mar 29, 1:36 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Obviously, much of what is "out there" would require substantial cutting > > and editing, but don't try to tell me that your son's ill educated [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Deus Vult Yes, Gettysburg is one fairly accurate or nearly so movie, I mean if there are no facts in history why quibble about a few little ones? http://imdb.com/title/tt0107007/goofs # Factual errors: When Tom Chamberlain is talking to the captured Confederates, one of them says he is a Tennessean from Archer's Brigade of Heth's division. He then says he was captured in the railroad cut west of Gettysburg. The Confederates in the railroad cut were actually Mississippians from Davis's brigade of the same division. The Tennesseeans would have been fighting in McPherson's Woods, half a mile away. # Continuity: There can't be two sunsets between June 30, 1863 and July 1, 1863. # Factual errors: On the first day, Heth's Division formed on Herr's ridge and advanced in line of battle toward Buford's troopers, not deployed 50 yards in front of Buford. # Continuity: The length of Longstreet's cigar while conferring with his artillery officer. # Continuity: In the scene between Major Walter H. Taylor and General Lee at midnight July 3rd, Major Taylor's rank insignia changes to two stars (Lieutenant Colonel). In earlier scenes he wore only one star (Major). # Continuity: Traveler starts out with a dark mane, but while Lee is visiting the troops just before Pickett's charge, his mane is almost white. Later, his mane is dark again. # Continuity: Reynolds is shot, falls on his back, but his face is dirty without it touching the ground. # Anachronisms: Contrail over Tom Chamberlain's head just before he interrogates Confederate prisoners. # Factual errors: The remnants of the 2nd Maine were not transferred to the 20th Maine just before the battle of Gettysburg. This actually occurred some six weeks earlier, in mid-May 1863. # Anachronisms: While Lee and Longstreet are walking up the path to Lee's Headquarters, in between the two buildings in the shot, the paved road is clearly visible along the ground. # Continuity: General Longstreet's shifting beard. # Anachronisms: When Longstreet is conferring with Hood before the Devil's Den assault, a paved road is visible behind Longstreet. # Revealing mistakes: General Lee bounces in the saddle like a rank beginner. Lee was an experienced horseman. # Anachronisms: In one of the sequences in front of a farmhouse, an air conditioning unit is clearly visible. # Anachronisms: At the end of the fight for Devil's Den, a paved road is clearly seen to the right of the frame. # Revealing mistakes: In the final scenes of Picketts Charge, the wires that pull the men who are blown backwards by the cannon are visible, as well as the harnesses they are wearing # Anachronisms: When Chamberlain is giving orders a plane flies out from behind them. # Audio/visual unsynchronized: During one of the early "marching" scenes prior to the beginning of the battle, a soldier is seen pounding a drum. When he pounds the drum, however, no noise is heard. # Continuity: While Gen. Longstreet is talking to Col. Alexander Porter during the bombardment of Cemetery Ridge on July 3rd, we see over Longstreet's shoulder a Rebel gun emplacement hit and a Confederate gunner is thrown over the earthworks from the explosion. The camera turns to Col. Porter for a brief second then comes back to Longstreet. The same gun is shown intact, not yet hit, and the wounded Confederate gone from the scene. # Anachronisms: In the scene where many confederate soldiers are cheering and shaking General Lee's hand while he is on horseback, one man clearly has a tan line from a wristwatch. # Factual errors: In some scenes, Union flags have 50 stars on them. # After the battle of Little Round Top, Chamberlain and some of the other officers are talking to each other. If you look closely, there is frost coming out of their mouthes. Gettysburg was fought on July 2nd,3rd,and 4th which is the middle of summer. # Midway through the scene dedicated to Pickett's Charge, the camera zooms to a group of Union soldiers lying behind the low brick wall. Clearly visible in the background is a corner of the Visitor's Center. Oops -- it's only a century ahead of its time. # When the soldiers are marching to battle, a black man wearing a digital watch walks past the camera. This was the civil war, right? # Did anyone else notice how Chamberlain's brother speaks with a Southern accent? When he's supposed to be from Maine? I think he'd be more convincing playing PICKETT's brother with the accent he has going there... # The wide-brimmed hat Longstreet wears was not invented (or at least patented) until the 1870's. > On Mar 29, 1:36 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Yes, Gettysburg is one fairly accurate or nearly so movie, I mean if > there are no facts in history why quibble about a few little ones? After watching Gettysburg, I determined that the reason the south lost the Civil War was because of the obesity of its soldiers. TR > http://imdb.com/title/tt0107007/goofs > [quoted text clipped - 99 lines] > # The wide-brimmed hat Longstreet wears was not invented (or at least > patented) until the 1870's. >> Obviously, much of what is "out there" would require substantial cutting >> and editing, but don't try to tell me that your son's ill educated [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > THEN treat them to Ken Burns' _The Civil War_ series. Both of you mossbacks are showing how quickly the limits of your general knowledge are reached. The Teaching Company puts out on DVD lectures from first-class professors on a range of subjects, the quality of which renders the material on the mangled-History Channel, and even some of the stuff on PBS, very distant choices for educating anyone with an IQ over 80. > DSH > > Lux et Veritas et Libertas ...Indeed... > "Deus Vult" ... doubtful >>> Obviously, much of what is "out there" would require substantial cutting >>> and editing, but don't try to tell me that your son's ill educated [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > mangled-History Channel, and even some of the stuff on PBS, very distant > choices for educating anyone with an IQ over 80. I've watched a couple of the Teaching Company's DVD lectures. They have about as much chance of holding, enthralling or minimally educating 10-17 year olds as canned spinach and vienna sausage do of making the menu list at Mickey D's. Years ago, I used to get summoned annually out to the local law school to give a 1 hour expanation of bank "paper" (common instruments) and the customs and traditions thereto. Even law students found it difficult to grasp all the intracacies thereof. It's far too late to teach the basics of history, geography and the like to 17 year olds. ....And unless you can resurrect S. E. Morrison, trying to learn Geography from a "lecture" is plumb silly. Some days, Antero, I have to wonder just what strange venue you've picked to inhabit. Your ongoing grasp of reality could be described as falling into the void 'twixt fragile and flimsy. I mourn that Frank Vandiver's (one of the better "lecturers" among WBTS historians, eventually Pres. & Chancellor of Texas A&M) presentations have been lost to us or that more bright students never heard Jurg Wasser (mentored by Linus Pauling) expound on the nature of "Physical Chemsistry", but all the DVDs in the world would not have made their presentations much appreciated by average students (and that's whose needs we're addressing here). I do believe that any one of the modern films of "Henry V" from Olivier to Branaugh, any of several Romeos especially the one with the prepubescent Juliet, one more look at Orson Welles as MacBeth, and Elizabeth Taylor's Bountiful teats with Burton's leers (not the king, just leering leers) would convey more of Shakespeare than any semester of study, lecture hall or famoz lecturer DVDs. TMO. Just what are you referring to here? DSH >Elizabeth Taylor's Bountiful teats with Burton's leers (not the king, just >leering leers) would convey more of Shakespeare than any semester of study, >lecture hall or famoz lecturer DVDs. > > TMO >>>> Obviously, much of what is "out there" would require substantial >>>> cutting [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> mangled-History Channel, and even some of the stuff on PBS, very distant >> choices for educating anyone with an IQ over 80. > I've watched a couple of the Teaching Company's DVD lectures. They have > about as much chance of holding, enthralling or minimally educating 10-17 > year olds as canned spinach and vienna sausage do of making the menu list > at Mickey D's. I think what you've told us, is that the lectures were over your head, nitwit. Years ago, I used to get summoned annually out to the local law > school to give a 1 hour expanation of bank "paper" (common instruments) > and the customs and traditions thereto. Even law students found it > difficult to grasp all the intracacies thereof. Assuming any of this is true, and it probably isn't - someone who actually understood the material could have presented it in a way that made sense. Usually, when people who can't explain something clearly, it's because they don't really understand it. >And unless you can resurrect S. E. Morrison, trying to learn Geography from >a "lecture" is plumb silly. What a stupid comment. Geography, like almost all subjects, is primarily taught through lectures and textbooks. > Some days, Antero, I have to wonder just what strange venue you've picked > to inhabit. My venue is called reality, olive oil. We have previously explored your knowledge of the reality of foodborne illnesses, and health insurance, and you didn't come out very well. Further on, you expel a bunch of hot air designed to impress the vacuous. In it, you claim that average students should learn Shakespeare by watching the play's. In the first place, they wouldn't understand most of the language being used, just as you probably don't. But, more importantly, the discussion wasn't about Shakespeare and financial instruments -- it was about history. I've watched a number of The Teaching Company's DVDs on various historical topics, and while they may be over your head, readers can see if their libraries carry them and find out for themselves what an excellent job they do in presenting balanced reliable information, in plain easy to understand language. Historical content is important. Nobody who knows anything about history thinks that the History Channel is a reliable source to learn from, either in its content, or balance, or areas stressed. Much of it verges on propaganda. Much of it is distorted and hyped for the purpose of grabbing viewer attention. But that wouldn't occur to a Fox news watcher, would it? > Your ongoing grasp of reality could be described as falling into the void > 'twixt fragile and flimsy. I mourn that Frank Vandiver's (one of the [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > would convey more of Shakespeare than any semester of study, lecture hall > or famoz lecturer DVDs. > TMO. Hilarious! This is an excellent example of the More Important Things Renia is busily doing instead of first reading the posts accurately -- to which she airheadedly replies. Victoria, it just doesn't get any better than this. Enjoy! When Renia says she spent the morning with "an intelligent woman" she means someone on her level -- with the same farblondjet disabilities. Deeeeelightful! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas > I've just spent the morning with an American woman and we were discussing > this youtube thing. She says she never did geography at school and doesn't > know where anywere [sic] is so isn't surprised by the answers. She's an > intelligent woman aged about 40. Even she didn't know what state KFC came > from. > Yes, many of them really are this stupid, Renia. > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > Everyone should watch this video clip Renia has so graciously supplied to > us. This has nothing to do with Paul or Higher Education. A) Some of those questioned were as old as Paul and at least 2 were of the age of WWII vets or very close to that age. Note esp. the chap who said that there had been 3 World Wars. So the "rot" apparently set in quite sometime before Paul's generation started teaching. (And aren't you the product of that generation of education?), if there was ever soundness to the knowledge base of the average American B) The questions asked were current affairs questions. Regardless of their education in junior high or high school, even watching the Daily Show, reading the front page and the front page only, or watching any TV news at all regularly (3x a week) would have provided all the answers, including the geography questions. So the point of the clip is not about Americans' stupidity, what's of more concern is the lack of awareness (and again, even deeper, the lack of a desire to be aware) not just of the wider world, but even of someone down the street (what's a mosque? What religion are Buddhist monks?)--anything or anyone beyond my immediate circle/neighborhood. That insular attitude is certainly not limited to Americans, though we have an abundance of it, and is far more damaging than a set facts that can be learned readily from looking at a newsstand. C) The clip doesn't show how many people got it right, or how many interviews were conducted to get these answers. Nor did most people appear more than once, answering a single question, the one they got wrong. Of the set of questions asked how many of those who appeared were able to answer some or even most of the questions correctly. The clip is obviously aimed to punch some emotional buttons, as it did for Hines, but that doesn't make it an accurate measure of anything. > > Yes, many of them really are this stupid, Renia. > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > punch some emotional buttons, as it did for Hines, but that doesn't > make it an accurate measure of anything. anyone aware that Julian Morrow is the equivalent of one of Jon Stewart's "reporters" and is on a "network" designed to satirize American news channels? And it lasted something like 9 episodes? Anybody notice one leg or the other slightly longer? CNNNN (Chaser NoN-stop News Network) was an Australian television show, satirising American news channels CNN and Fox News. It was produced and hosted by the same team that published The Chaser newspaper. CNNNN's slogan was "We Report, You Believe.", a parody of Fox News' slogan ("We Report, You Decide."). In April 2004, CNNNN won a Logie award for 'Most Outstanding Comedy Program', an award that was shared with Kath & Kim. http://www.cnnnn.com/ last issue October 2003. # Julian Morrow: CNNNN's US correspondent. Morrow would appear on a television as if he was overseas, although he did actually conduct a number of vox pops in the USA to highlight American ignorance of Australia, other countries and international affairs in general. He would, amusingly, still speak about stories with no relevance to the US and sit as if he were actually on the news desk, and when the anchors would look at the screen on the other side of the room at other out-of-studio guests, Julian Morrow would do the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNNNN What's REALLY interesting is to see how many of our American "Educators" are in denial about their failings over the past 40 years. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas On Mar 27, 5:11 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com> wrote: > What's REALLY interesting is to see how many of our American "Educators" are > in denial about their failings over the past 40 years. > > DSH > > Lux et Veritas et Libertas What's REALLY interesting is that you didn't know your source was an Australian comedy TV show much like Jon Stewart's The Daily Show. Lots of old people with limited reading comprehension have that problem. http://www.cnnnn.com/ As long as our American "Educators" are in steadfast denial about their failings over the past 40 years, we cannot expect to see any real improvements in American Education in the mass. The Broken System, manned by failed "Educators", who have NOT done their job over the past 40 years, will continue to turn out damaged goods as a flawed educational product. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas > On Mar 27, 5:11 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > http://www.cnnnn.com/ Actually, it was my source. And I can't find what you are referring to on this spoof link. > > On Mar 27, 5:11 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > Actually, it was my source. And I can't find what you are referring to > on this spoof link. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNNNN >>>On Mar 27, 5:11 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com> >>>wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNNNN And where does this mention the interviews shown on youtube? >>>> On Mar 27, 5:11 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com> >>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > And where does this mention the interviews shown on youtube? OK, spotted it here: Julian Morrow: CNNNN's US correspondent. Morrow would appear on a television as if he was overseas, although he did actually conduct a number of vox pops in the USA to highlight American ignorance of Australia, other countries and international affairs in general. Doesn't sound like it was a spoof, but genuine, to highlight American ignorance. > >>>> On Mar 27, 5:11 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com> > >>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Doesn't sound like it was a spoof, but genuine, to highlight American > ignorance. That's your viewpoint, it's a free world. http://www.yikers.com/video_cnnnn_on_the_streets.html http://milly.vox.com/library/video/6a00cdf7e92e15094f00d414186aac6a47.html http://leehopkins.net/2007/01/17/are-americans-really-this-stupid/ Find the rest, it's a sort of Fox operation, dedicated to making Americans look stupid. Not hard to do if that is your purpose, we have at least two people who think this stuff is real. Each country should determine whether this sort of "interview" could take place in their country, especially if you hand-sorted out those who knew what they were doing, you don't see the 1963 Yale graduate yammering on with the right answers to all these stupid questions, now do you? One email said Canada had been doing this kind of show, on themselves, for years. It's not education it's editing. > What's REALLY interesting is to see how many of our American "Educators" are > in denial about their failings over the past 40 years. Yes, we apparently failed to get people like you to actually look at the facts before reaching a conclusion. Tell us about these Remarkably Stupid People. DSH "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemidden@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:... > Tell us some stories. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >> >> Don H. Yes, many of them really are this stupid. This is what we Americans have reaped from the poisoned seeds sown by the Pogue-Gans "Educators" -- the ones who insist "There are no facts in History" -- "There are no historical facts" and who teach a watered-down, anemic, slack-arsed, emasculated version of Sociology that eschews FACTS in favor of: 1. Political Correctness 2. "Consciousness-Raising" 3. "Points Of View" 4. "Trends" 5. "Self Expression" 6. "Sensitivity Training" 7. "Cross-Cultural Understanding" We now have several generations of damaged goods in the United States, who can't even answer simple questions such as these. Further, these people are pig-ignorant about Geography -- as we can see -- and think Australia is North Korea and Tasmania is South Korea. Everyone should watch this video clip. Listen, Watch & Weep... The rot set in shortly after Pogue Gans began his teaching career, circa 1960, and got progressively worse as his generation of Academics -- "Educators" -- matured, gained power and put their stamp on our Educational System. They think FACTS are not really all that important -- so pupils and students don't LEARN them -- ANY sort of facts -- in History, Geography or what have you. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Exitus Acta Probat > Are Americans really this stupid? < http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJuNgBkloFE> As long as our American "Educators" are in steadfast denial about their failings over the past 40 years, we cannot expect to see any real improvements in American Education in the mass. The Broken System, manned by failed "Educators", who have NOT done their job over the past 40 years, will continue to turn out damaged goods as a flawed educational product. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Whenever Gans has been caught by the short hairs, then flayed and flummoxed, he turns to sarcasm, hoping to extricate himself by the Red Herring of Gansian Anserine Humour. I never said Pogue Gans did anything ALONE. Neither did I say ANYTHING about Education in OTHER NATIONS. It was his GENERATION of Anserine American Academics that initiated the Genuine Rot in American Education. The Cancer they introduced has metastasized -- and now contaminates the Majority of American Education. Yes, even Yale, Harvard and Princeton. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas -----------------Cordon Sanitaire-------------------------------------- > Yes, I admit it. You are right. I am the most powerful > person in America. I control education *everywhere* in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > All your base [sic] are mine. Yes, this is indeed an EXCELLENT example of: Pogue-Gansian, Puerile, Anserine-Gansian, Sarcastic-Academic Yuk-Yuk, Borscht-Belt Humour... Which he always prefers to use as a Strawman-Red Herring -- rather than to address the Real Issues. There is nothing DRY about it at all.... Or even WITTY. No Surprises There... Standard, Well-Known Gansian Tactic... It's also amusing to see that Gans thinks ASSIMILATED is a Nasty Word... Vide infra.... Because he himself has never ASSIMILATED to Mainstream American Politics, Economics & Culture.... Preferring, As He Does, To Stay Isolated On The Loony Left-Wing -- in common with many Academics, who have done so much to damage American Education -- at ALL levels. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas -----------------Cordon Sanitaire-------------------------------------- > Yes, I admit it. You are right. I am the most powerful > person in America. I control education *everywhere* in [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > All your base [sic] are mine. |
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