Intelligent Crossposting Writ Large
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D. Spencer Hines - 29 Mar 2007 19:40 GMT There generally seems to be at least one person in each newsgroup who is a real nut about nagging folks not to post to more than one newsgroup at a time. These people are apparently anally retentive to an unusual degree.
So, blame it on a failed experience of toilet training in infancy, or whatever. But above all, do not take these people too seriously. They really don't deserve the exaggerated attention they sometimes demand.
Some of these Nagging Neds or Nellies may well be academics. Categorization is a disease that academics live and die, by and for.
I have heard very experienced and Ivory Tower battle-hardened academics refer to this phenomenon as, "The Hardening of the Categories." They know whereof they speak. Often they have Hardening of the Arteries as well -- and concomitant Brain Damage.
Let me give an example. Let's say a sociologist wants to initiate a new college course in the Sociology of Sociopaths. A psychologist may counter that the course should best be taught under the rubric of Abnormal Psychology, Social Psychology or even The Psychology of Psychopaths. Do you see how that game works?
However, it is not really a game. This is academic warfare at the departmental level. Who gets the dollars, the faculty chair, the grants for this position --- and the students --- the Sociology Department or the Psychology Department? Empires may shift on their foundations over such seminal academic issues.
So, when the academics come to newsgroups they get rather persnickety about your sending a post to more than one newsgroup. Occasionally they become outright aggressively stentorian and vociferously foolish about it.
Here are some practical guidelines that will prevent you from becoming too intimidated by these rascals. They are, of course, only the personal opinion of their author. Others' mileage may vary and there are always valid exceptions driven by situational dynamics, tactics and strategy:
1. As a general rule, only send your post to one newsgroup. Pick that one carefully according to the criterion of relevance, content, readership and the discrete subject matter of your specific post. It is virtually always a mistake to post to eight or ten newsgroups, as some spammers are wont to do.
2. However, if your post genuinely crosses over lines of separation between categories --- and after you have carefully considered your logic --- post with confidence. Generally, this should be a relatively infrequent occurrence. Posting to more than three newsgroups simultaneously would almost always be a bad show and charges of spamming will be thrown at you.
3. Followups can be set to one group, if desired. If the content of a subsequent post in the thread does not justify multiple posting --- cut the followups accordingly to include only the relevant groups.
4. If you cut groups off the distribution of the followups --- tell your audience clearly in your first paragraph what you are doing. People are not mind-readers and will not know what you are up to unless you tell them.
5. Following these quite simple guidelines will ensure you that you reach the audience you desire and do not cast your net too widely.
6. All such sets of rules have valid exceptions -- driven by situational dynamics, tactics and strategy.
7. Post intelligently, with confidence.
Again, these guidelines are only the personal opinion of the author. Others' mileage may vary. But don't let the Nagging Neds and Nellies intimidate or dissuade you from making the right decision in your particular case.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
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D. Spencer Hines --- "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam, propter misericordiam Tuam et veritatem Tuam." Henry V, [1387-1422] King of England --- Ordered it to be sung by his prelates and chaplains --- after the Battle of Agincourt, 25 Oct 1415, --- while every able-bodied man in his victorious army knelt, on the ground. [Psalm CXV, Verse I]
Jack Linthicum - 29 Mar 2007 19:50 GMT On Mar 29, 2:40 pm, "D. Spencer Hines" <poguemid...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> There generally seems to be at least one person in each newsgroup who is a > real nut about nagging folks not to post to more than one newsgroup at a [quoted text clipped - 76 lines] > able-bodied man in his victorious army knelt, on the ground. [Psalm CXV, > Verse I] Here are the rules for cross-posting:
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1. As a general rule, only send your post to one newsgroup. Pick that one carefully according to the criterion of relevance, content, readership and the discrete subject matter of your specific post. It is virtually always a mistake to post to eight or ten newsgroups, as some spammers are wont to do.
2. However, if your post genuinely crosses over lines of separation between categories --- and after you have carefully considered your logic --- post with confidence. Generally, this should be a relatively infrequent occurrence. Posting to more than three newsgroups simultaneously would almost always be a bad show and charges of spamming will be thrown at you.
3. Followups can be set to one group, if desired. If the content of a subsequent post in the thread does not justify multiple posting --- cut the followups accordingly to include only the relevant groups.
4. If you cut groups off the distribution of the followups --- tell your audience clearly in your first paragraph what you are doing. People are not mind-readers and will not know what you are up to unless you tell them.
5. Following these quite simple guidelines will ensure you that you reach the audience you desire and do not cast your net too widely.
END QUOTE *******************************************************
You won't believe it, but those sensible rules were posted nine years ago by DSH himself (http://tinyurl.com/2o4yra), evidently before the brain injury occurred.
wrecked 'em - 29 Mar 2007 21:03 GMT <All but the intelligent bits snipped>
Oh dear, there's nothing left. Never mind.
Why go to the trouble of writing "intelligent" rules for cross-posting when you break them all every time you post?
What is intelligent about taking a thread about medieval hygiene, posted to a relevant group (shm), and spreading it to groups concerned with Scottish culture or the US army and navy?
Why take a query posted to shm, asking for suggestions for a paper on medieval literature (and hence relevant to that newsgroup), add an inane comment of your own, and post it to all the groups that you mistakenly believe to be DSH fan clubs?
In what way do these two examples "genuinely cross over lines of separation between categories"?
It's alright, I know the answer.
NPD
Eugene Griessel - 30 Mar 2007 06:07 GMT ><All but the intelligent bits snipped> > >Oh dear, there's nothing left. Never mind. > >Why go to the trouble of writing "intelligent" rules for cross-posting >when you break them all every time you post? <snip>
It would be really interesting to know when last Pogue Hines has posted anything that is even mildly on-topic for sci.military.naval. I think he redefines the term "hypocrite".
Eugene L Griessel
We are all afraid for our confidence, for the future, for the world. That is the nature of the human imagination. Yet every man, every civilization, has gone forward because of its engagement with what it has set itself to do. Jacob Bronowski
Ian Smith - 30 Mar 2007 03:46 GMT > There <snipped> TRIM THE HEADERS!
Here are the rules for cross-posting:
******************************************************* BEGIN QUOTE
1. As a general rule, only send your post to one newsgroup. Pick that one carefully according to the criterion of relevance, content, readership and the discrete subject matter of your specific post. It is virtually always a mistake to post to eight or ten newsgroups, as some spammers are wont to do.
2. However, if your post genuinely crosses over lines of separation between categories --- and after you have carefully considered your logic --- post with confidence. Generally, this should be a relatively infrequent occurrence. Posting to more than three newsgroups simultaneously would almost always be a bad show and charges of spamming will be thrown at you.
3. Followups can be set to one group, if desired. If the content of a subsequent post in the thread does not justify multiple posting --- cut the followups accordingly to include only the relevant groups.
4. If you cut groups off the distribution of the followups --- tell your audience clearly in your first paragraph what you are doing. People are not mind-readers and will not know what you are up to unless you tell them.
5. Following these quite simple guidelines will ensure you that you reach the audience you desire and do not cast your net too widely.
END QUOTE *******************************************************
You won't believe it, but those sensible rules were posted nine years ago by DSH himself (http://tinyurl.com/2o4yra), evidently before the brain injury occurred.
D. Spencer Hines - 30 Mar 2007 05:05 GMT There generally seems to be at least one person in each newsgroup who is a real nut about nagging folks not to post to more than one newsgroup at a time. These people are apparently anally retentive to an unusual degree.
So, blame it on a failed experience of toilet training in infancy, or whatever. But above all, do not take these people too seriously. They really don't deserve the exaggerated attention they sometimes demand.
Some of these Nagging Neds or Nellies may well be academics. Categorization is a disease that academics live and die, by and for.
I have heard very experienced and Ivory Tower battle-hardened academics refer to this phenomenon as, "The Hardening of the Categories." They know whereof they speak. Often they have Hardening of the Arteries as well -- and concomitant Brain Damage.
Let me give an example. Let's say a sociologist wants to initiate a new college course in the Sociology of Sociopaths. A psychologist may counter that the course should best be taught under the rubric of Abnormal Psychology, Social Psychology or even The Psychology of Psychopaths. Do you see how that game works?
However, it is not really a game. This is academic warfare at the departmental level. Who gets the dollars, the faculty chair, the grants for this position --- and the students --- the Sociology Department or the Psychology Department? Empires may shift on their foundations over such seminal academic issues.
So, when the academics come to newsgroups they get rather persnickety about your sending a post to more than one newsgroup. Occasionally they become outright aggressively stentorian and vociferously foolish about it.
Here are some practical guidelines that will prevent you from becoming too intimidated by these rascals. They are, of course, only the personal opinion of their author. Others' mileage may vary and there are always valid exceptions driven by situational dynamics, tactics and strategy:
1. As a general rule, only send your post to one newsgroup. Pick that one carefully according to the criterion of relevance, content, readership and the discrete subject matter of your specific post. It is virtually always a mistake to post to eight or ten newsgroups, as some spammers are wont to do.
2. However, if your post genuinely crosses over lines of separation between categories --- and after you have carefully considered your logic --- post with confidence. Generally, this should be a relatively infrequent occurrence. Posting to more than three newsgroups simultaneously would almost always be a bad show and charges of spamming will be thrown at you.
3. Followups can be set to one group, if desired. If the content of a subsequent post in the thread does not justify multiple posting --- cut the followups accordingly to include only the relevant groups.
4. If you cut groups off the distribution of the followups --- tell your audience clearly in your first paragraph what you are doing. People are not mind-readers and will not know what you are up to unless you tell them.
5. Following these quite simple guidelines will ensure you that you reach the audience you desire and do not cast your net too widely.
6. All such sets of rules have valid exceptions -- driven by situational dynamics, tactics and strategy.
7. Post intelligently, with confidence.
Again, these guidelines are only the personal opinion of the author. Others' mileage may vary. But don't let the Nagging Neds and Nellies intimidate or dissuade you from making the right decision in your particular case.
D. Spencer Hines
Lux et Veritas
 Signature
D. Spencer Hines --- "Non nobis, Domine, non nobis, sed Nomini Tuo da gloriam, propter misericordiam Tuam et veritatem Tuam." Henry V, [1387-1422] King of England --- Ordered it to be sung by his prelates and chaplains --- after the Battle of Agincourt, 25 Oct 1415, --- while every able-bodied man in his victorious army knelt, on the ground. [Psalm CXV, Verse I]
jJim McLaughlin - 30 Mar 2007 07:32 GMT Ian is a f.cking arsehole.
>>There <snipped> > [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > ago by DSH himself (http://tinyurl.com/2o4yra), evidently before the > brain injury occurred. Jack Linthicum - 30 Mar 2007 11:22 GMT On Mar 30, 2:32 am, jJim McLaughlin <jimm.claugh...@comcast.com> wrote:
> Ian is a f.cking arsehole. > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > ago by DSH himself (http://tinyurl.com/2o4yra), evidently before the > > brain injury occurred. That makes him one of Hines' kind of people, oh, I missed the indefinite article, must be the top-posting.
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