Home | Contact Us | FAQ | Search & Site Map | Link to Us
Sign In | Join | Other 45 Sites in Network
Home
Discussion Groups
General
General TopicsAncient HistoryMedieval PeriodBritish HistoryWhat IfArchaeology
War History
War HistoryWorld War IIUS Civil War
HistoryKB.com
Contact UsLink To UsSearch & Site Map

History Forum / General / British History / April 2007



Tip: Looking for answers? Try searching our database.

America take back the damned Grey Squirrel

Thread view: 
Enable EMail Alerts  Start New Thread
Thread rating: 
Baldoni - 16 Apr 2007 00:52 GMT
Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses the
last time we thought was damned unsavory.  You planted on  trading vessels
the arch villain the Gray Squirrel.  Our native Squirrel the Red which is
much smaller has been forced into Scotland in much the same way as the Saxon
chased the Celt.  How would you like that you rotten bastards.

As you did for the Cubans send a flotilla of ships to take this vermin home
and unlike Castro I promise we British will not infiltrate them with the
squirrels languishing in our prisons and mental institution.

The Gray squirrel is undemocratic and damned right anti social.  I have been
lobbying PM Bliar to exterminate any Gray Squirrel on the Isle of Wight and
to settle the red there.  I tried to settle the Red Squirrel on my small
island near Malta, 20 of them to be exact and alas they all died within 2
weeks.  There are only a few tree's, I ran out of nut's and the only other
people on the island 6 Benedictine Monks could do nothing to save them

Signature

Count Baldoni

Red Squirrel/Methadone Alliance

Ray O'Hara - 16 Apr 2007 01:20 GMT
> Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses the
> last time we thought was damned unsavory.  You planted on  trading vessels
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> --
> Count Baldoni

We'll take back the gray squirrel when you come get the starlings and gypsy
moths.
Andrew Chaplin - 16 Apr 2007 02:27 GMT
>> Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses the
>> last time we thought was damned unsavory.  You planted on  trading vessels
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> We'll take back the gray squirrel when you come get the starlings and gypsy
> moths.

And lampreys and rock doves (C. livia) and zebra mussels, and black and Norway
rats, and Quakers and Plymouth Brethren. (We'll keep the Mormons, they're a
problem of our own making -- and the Sally Anne are tolerable, perhaps even
useful. We'll have to twist wrists to see who gets the Jehovah's Witnesses.)
Signature

Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

La N - 16 Apr 2007 02:34 GMT
>>> Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses
>>> the
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
> perhaps even useful. We'll have to twist wrists to see who gets the
> Jehovah's Witnesses.)

I would like to say to our Nigerian guests in this part of British Columbia,
the Beaver Valley, the following:

We do not hunt and cook our beavers in stewpots.  And, no, even if we did,
we wouldn't throw in a fish heads and chicken feet.

Thank you for your attention.

- nilita
Andrew Chaplin - 16 Apr 2007 03:21 GMT
>>>> Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses
>>>> the
[quoted text clipped - 37 lines]
>
> Thank you for your attention.

Shows how much you know.
Signature

Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Hal - 16 Apr 2007 14:24 GMT
On Apr 15, 10:21 pm, "Andrew Chaplin"
<ab.chap...@yourfinger.rogers.com> wrote:

> >>>> Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses
> >>>> the
[quoted text clipped - 34 lines]
> >
> > We do not hunt and cook our beavers in stewpots.

You're thinking barbecue? <g>

> > And, no, even if we did,
> > we wouldn't throw in a fish heads and chicken feet.
> >
> > Thank you for your attention.
>
> Shows how much you know.

That would be a fowl surf'n'turf. Save the chicken feet for dim sum.

Hal
La N - 16 Apr 2007 14:41 GMT
> On Apr 15, 10:21 pm, "Andrew Chaplin"
> <ab.chap...@yourfinger.rogers.com> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
>
> You're thinking barbecue? <g>

That would be raccoon.

>> > And, no, even if we did,
>> > we wouldn't throw in a fish heads and chicken feet.
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>
> That would be a fowl surf'n'turf. Save the chicken feet for dim sum.

Those claws make good toothpicks!

- nilita
kevinmccabe@yahoo.com - 16 Apr 2007 06:39 GMT
> > Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses the
> > last time we thought was damned unsavory.  You planted on  trading vessels
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Its painful to listen to Brits whine ad nauseum about a problem of
their own making. If they hadn't planted all those Doug Firs after the
Second World War, the little guys wouldn't have been tempted. Its
tough to blame the Brits for wanting God's Own Trees (God, after all,
is a Washingtonian who resides in the Cascades). But, they should
really have the reserve not weep aloud over the critters they attract.
Hell, I'll bet they bitch about the spotted owls as well.

McCabe
Baldoni - 16 Apr 2007 11:42 GMT
||| Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your
||| arses the last time we thought was damned unsavory.  You planted on
[quoted text clipped - 33 lines]
|
| McCabe

Well I have to tell you that what the Americans have done with the ferret is
scandalous.  You have turned him into a fool and no he runs around inside
your houses getting up to all manner of "Tomfoolery" to entertain your
children.  In and out of pipes and spinning around on his arse making silly
noises like the Jerry Lewis of the animal kingdom.

Our ferrets are tough smelly brutes and the closest we get to them is when
the men in the North let them sleep down their trousers in winter.  We used
to hunt with Hawke and Ferret and it was a sight to behold.  Sadly if this
government are returned they will turn on the ferret next, and he will be
turned into Jerry Lewis where once he was Jack Palance.
Signature

Count Baldoni

kevinmccabe@yahoo.com - 17 Apr 2007 03:23 GMT
> Innews:1176701945.981615.191340@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> kevinmcc...@yahoo.com <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 53 lines]
> --
> Count Baldoni

Indeed. My daughter kept two ferrets a number of years ago. The
mischeivious little guys got out one night, fished my wallet, and
knawed on my bar card. The corrections officers still laugh at me when
I present it to go into the jail to visit my clients. Apparently, the
name ferret has a french root meaning thief. Still and all, they were
cute little buggers. Now own up and be fair, you do like the Doug
Firs, don't you?

McCabe
oldfrogster@gmail.com - 17 Apr 2007 03:34 GMT
On Apr 16, 10:23 pm, "kevinmcc...@yahoo.com" <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> > Innews:1176701945.981615.191340@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
> > kevinmcc...@yahoo.com <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 63 lines]
>
> McCabe

My niece was pretty good at hunting em with a .22.  The trick to
eating em is to remove the meat so you dont look as if you are eating
a rat.  You put it in a pot pie or else serve it with lots of gravy to
hide the gamy taste.
Her squirrel huntin ability later helped her get a marksmanship award
when she joined the Marines.
kevinmccabe@yahoo.com - 17 Apr 2007 04:42 GMT
On Apr 16, 7:34 pm, oldfrogs...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 16, 10:23 pm, "kevinmcc...@yahoo.com" <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 75 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Admit it, you and your whole family are squirrel bait.

McCabe
Baldoni - 17 Apr 2007 10:12 GMT
| On Apr 16, 7:34 pm, oldfrogs...@gmail.com wrote:
|| On Apr 16, 10:23 pm, "kevinmcc...@yahoo.com" <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 86 lines]
|
| McCabe

I was once accused by a security guard of leaving Wolf Bait in a toilet
cubicle at Kings Cross Train Station in London.
Signature

Count Baldoni

Robert Peffers. - 17 Apr 2007 10:17 GMT
> | On Apr 16, 7:34 pm, oldfrogs...@gmail.com wrote:
> || On Apr 16, 10:23 pm, "kevinmcc...@yahoo.com" <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 89 lines]
> I was once accused by a security guard of leaving Wolf Bait in a toilet
> cubicle at Kings Cross Train Station in London.
No! No! You have it wrong - the security guard said, "Poof bait".
Signature


Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

Robert Peffers. - 17 Apr 2007 09:27 GMT
> On Apr 16, 10:23 pm, "kevinmcc...@yahoo.com" <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 83 lines]
> Her squirrel huntin ability later helped her get a marksmanship award
> when she joined the Marines.

Yeah! We call them tree rats over here.
Signature


Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

Adam Whyte-Settlar - 19 Apr 2007 12:57 GMT
>> Her squirrel huntin ability later helped her get a marksmanship award
>> when she joined the Marines.
>>
> Yeah! We call them tree rats over here.

The Marines?!
Since when did we get so polite about ill-trained thugs?
Robert Peffers. - 17 Apr 2007 09:25 GMT
>> Innews:1176701945.981615.191340@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
>> kevinmcc...@yahoo.com <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 69 lines]
>
> McCabe

If memory serves the Sitca Spruce choked out the Douglas Firs after the
first year.
Signature


Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

kevinmccabe@yahoo.com - 18 Apr 2007 02:37 GMT
> <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 84 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Beg to disagree, I saw a whole forty-year-old forest of Doug Fir on
the Hills around Loch Ness back in 1992. A man explained to me they
planted them in the wake of WWII to make sure they never ran short of
timber again.

McCabe
Robert Peffers. - 18 Apr 2007 09:22 GMT
>> <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 99 lines]
>
> McCabe

You can differ if you like but the Sitka Spruce thing was reaching crisis
proportions in Scotland with our traditional landscapes becoming covered in
them from the borders to the Northern Coast. Everywhere you looked the
bloody things were marching across Scotland faster than the Cane Toad across
Australia. My remark about choking out the Douglas Firs was tongue in cheek
but nevertheless almost true. There is a more enlightened regime in charge
now and native trees have been replanted. Good forest management now means
having a far better mix of trees.
Signature


Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

Adam Whyte-Settlar - 21 Apr 2007 04:22 GMT
>> Beg to disagree, I saw a whole forty-year-old forest of Doug Fir on
>> the Hills around Loch Ness back in 1992. A man explained to me they
>> planted them in the wake of WWII to make sure they never ran short of
>> timber again.
>>
>> McCabe

That's about right - same thing happened after WW1 - we were worried we
would run out of timber to construct trenches, so as soon as the war was
over we planted millions of trees to plan for it.
In the second world war it was was the war-time shortage of essential
pit-props that sparked all the concern and again the planting
programme for that war began as soon as it was over.
It was a resounding success too. We never run short of timber for the
trenches or (after Thatcher) pit-props again, though the latter was for
reasons other than supply.
The downside was that we ended up with hundreds of thousands of hectares of
Sitka
spruce  and a lot of Douglas fir that cost almost as much to harvest than
they were worth on
the open market. In the case of 'first thinnings' it cost *more* than they
were worth.
Oops.
Douglas fir is the more valuable timber but the reason so much Sitka was
planted is
because it's tougher and more adaptable and so losses are much less -
particularly in the vulnerable first five years or so.
Most foresters would have planted a mix if it was viable and in some areas
of good soil and ideal conditions Douglas are the dominant planting.
We also planted about half a dozen other species but few were as suitable as
Sitka. The scadalous planting of the wetlands in Caithness was carried out
with Lodgepole pine for example but it was a dismal failure. There are also
several varieites of Sitka - the most common was 'QCI' from Queen Charlotte
Island but latterly there was a 'Super Sitka' which has been nursery bred
and grows about 25% faster.

I'm way out of touch with UK forestry policy these days but SFIUI there are
to be no more new plantings of Sitka full stop.
I'm not sure how much of this is due to public pressure for more attractive
wildlife-friendly native woodlands and how much is due to countries like
Latvia and Estonia flooding the market with cheap better quality timber.
They've got masses of it too. When I was in charge of some harvesting
operations in Aberdeenshire about 10 years ago the Latvians could get their
timber, ready processed into planks, to the habour side in Aberdeen cheaper
than I could get raw logs there from 90 miles away.
What chance have you got.
Personally I think native woodlands will prove to be far more lucrative in
the long run as they will beautify those ghastly desolate Scottish
landscapes and attract wildlife and thus visitors. All other models in
Europe show that extensive planting of native woodlands leads to an upturn
in the local economy. If you can get something rare like Beavers to move in
then the tourism benefits go off the scale.
The biggest obsticle to achieving this in Scotland is the land ownership
system and the chronic problem of drastic overpopulation with Deer.

> You can differ if you like but the Sitka Spruce thing was reaching crisis
> proportions in Scotland with our traditional landscapes becoming covered
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> in charge now and native trees have been replanted. Good forest management
> now means having a far better mix of trees.

This was a process that actually began way back in 1987 but it is only
really now that the policy has become clearly visible to the untrained eye
as the native hardwoods begin to become evident in the landscape.
The Sitka forests were also radically 'restructured' age-wise and new forms
of harvesting programmes
were adopted. It became much more difficult to obtain permision for the huge
'clearfells' that used to blight whole hillsides for miles. Now the
harvesting is
carried out in much smaller coups and then replanted so you get a mix of
'age classes' in the one forest.
The bigger the mix of age classes the broader the spectrum of habitats and
the more wildlife freindly it becomes. Looks much better too.
Sitka gets a bad press because of the mistakes of the past but, *properly
managed* it can become a reasonably nice forest with plenty of biodiversity.
kevinmccabe@yahoo.com - 21 Apr 2007 07:07 GMT
> >> Beg to disagree, I saw a whole forty-year-old forest of Doug Fir on
> >> the Hills around Loch Ness back in 1992. A man explained to me they
[quoted text clipped - 74 lines]
> Sitka gets a bad press because of the mistakes of the past but, *properly
> managed* it can become a reasonably nice forest with plenty of biodiversity.

WOW! That was quite a missal. Seriously, though, I see what both you
and Mr. Peffers are driving at. I'm a big Doug Fir fan because I've
hiked mountains carpeted with them (some of it even old growth) for 35
years. But, they're the native, dominant species here (alders grow,
fall over, rot, then the firs really start to thrive). But, before
that, I was from the East Coast and I still remember, a bit vaguely
its true, the beauty of deciduous forests. You know what I would
really like to do someday? Ski or snowshoe a birch forest.

McCabe
Brian Sharrock - 21 Apr 2007 09:33 GMT
snip

>> That's about right - same thing happened after WW1 - we were worried we
>> would run out of timber to construct trenches, so as soon as the war was
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>> trenches or (after Thatcher) pit-props again, though the latter was for
>> reasons other than supply.

Now there's me thinking that the reason 'we' never run out of 'pit-props'
was entirely technological!

IIRC; the introduction of _Retreat_ Mining , which utilses a hydraulic
operated roof-prop-shield mechansim then a huge cutter/picker chipping off
chunks of coal off the 'face' of the seam onto a conveyer belt back  then to
the surface meant that wooden pit props were no longer required.
Almost synchronously the swinging sixties fashion for pine furntiture
erupted into a Habitat near you - but perhaps that too was for 'resaons
other than supply'!

Signature

Brian

Adam Whyte-Settlar - 22 Apr 2007 02:29 GMT
> snip
>
[quoted text clipped - 15 lines]
> chunks of coal off the 'face' of the seam onto a conveyer belt back  then
> to the surface meant that wooden pit props were no longer required.

Sure - I said the trees were planted for pit props - I don't think any of
them were actually used for that purpose.
It's often the case with forestry - with some trees, like Scots pine for
example - you are working on a 60  or even 80 year rotation.
By the time they are mature the world is a different place.

> Almost synchronously the swinging sixties fashion for pine furntiture
> erupted into a Habitat near you - but perhaps that too was for 'resaons
> other than supply'!

Sitka isn't pine - it's a spruce and I don't think it's much use for
furniture as it's too 'soft' to plane and sand weel - SFAIK these days most
of it goes for paper pulp for newsprint. But As I admitted, it's been years
since I ws in the woodland biz now and things change quickly so I might be
wrong on that.
The reasons 'other than supply' I was alluding to was that Thatcher closed
the entire mining inustry down in revenge for the miners bringing down the
previous Tory government.
Brian Sharrock - 22 Apr 2007 07:33 GMT
>> snip
>>
[quoted text clipped - 35 lines]
> the entire mining inustry down in revenge for the miners bringing down the
> previous Tory government.

Yes that's what your partisan viewpoint alluded to; but there's a slight
dichotomy;-
Mine engineering had moved to 'retreat mining extraction methods' whereby
the collieries no longer needed timber pit props - as I've stated that
technology had been replaced by huge steel and hydraulic mechanisms. So
irrespective of whether 'the mines' were in production or not- the need for
timber pit props had disappeared. Have you any experience of mining
engineering other than reading left-wing articles ?

Signature

Brian

Adam Whyte-Settlar - 22 Apr 2007 13:32 GMT
>>> snip
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> irrespective of whether 'the mines' were in production or not- the need
> for timber pit props had disappeared.

What part of; "...Sure - I said the trees were planted for pit props - I
don't think any of
them were actually used for that purpose..." don't you understand?

> Have you any experience of mining engineering other than reading left-wing
> articles ?

Have you any experience of politics other than making baseless assumptions
about people of whom you know nothing?
Touch bastard aren't you?

[Plonk]
Brian Sharrock - 22 Apr 2007 17:43 GMT
>>>> snip
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 50 lines]
> don't think any of
> them were actually used for that purpose..." don't you understand?

You've ommitted the part of your diatribe which read " or (after Thatcher)
pit-props again"!
IIRC; Retreat Mining, which nugated the requirement for timber pit-props,
was introduced by the NCB and to myknoweldge without reference to 'Thatcher'
(sic). Your contatenation of the two disparate events is indicative of
someone who's mind is made up!

>> Have you any experience of mining engineering other than reading
>> left-wing articles ?
>
> Have you any experience of politics

I'll take that as a 'No'!

>          ....... other than making baseless assumptions about people of
> whom you know nothing?

As you're posting to a Naval group; RN signal; "Luke 7 -16"
"Ye shall know them by their fruits"

> Touch bastard aren't you?

Evasive aren't you?

> [Plonk]

Pity the masquerading hide-behind-a-stupid-name won't read this; but;-

Deo gratias!

Signature

Brian

kevinmccabe@yahoo.com - 22 Apr 2007 19:08 GMT
> >>>> <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>>>news:1177135668.291322.309110@n59g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
[quoted text clipped - 88 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Were the mine technologies you speak of developed after the forests
were planted?

McCabe
Brian Sharrock - 22 Apr 2007 20:49 GMT
snip

> Were the mine technologies you speak of developed after the forests
> were planted?

Of course!

Was the coal laid down before the forests were planted?
'Retreat Mining' -which inter-alia replaced miners working narrow seams with
hand tools- was the result of developments in hydraulic actuators;
electronic feedback controls systems and operator control-lery etc. etc. The
technology matured, IIRC, about the mid-eighties.

Was the technological developments occurring because of the Prime Minister
extant?
Would the demand for timber pit props have fallen if HMG was composed of
Labour / SDP / Liberal Members of Parliament?

I doubt it.

--

Brian
kevinmccabe@yahoo.com - 23 Apr 2007 01:43 GMT
> <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 23 lines]
>
> Brian

If they didn't have the technology you're talking about at the time
the forests were planted, then planting it seems like a fair plan for
future materials.

McCabe
Adam Whyte-Settlar - 23 Apr 2007 06:32 GMT
> If they didn't have the technology you're talking about at the time
> the forests were planted, then planting it seems like a fair plan for
> future materials.

In the context of the times of course it was - he's completely misunderstood
me and missed my point in his attempt to troll me.
The decison to destroy the mining industry in the UK was a purely political
one, which is only further illustrated by the troll's remarks about the
improvement in technology. Some of the mines that were closed were among the
most technologically advanced in the world and perfectly economically
viable. Personally I'm delighted that the miners were wiped out but it had
nothing whatever to do with pit-props or retreat mining or even economics.
You don't have to be a miner to understand that but you do have be
politically aware.
That's obviously where he is lacking - along with civility and manners.
Brian Sharrock - 23 Apr 2007 09:21 GMT
>> If they didn't have the technology you're talking about at the time
>> the forests were planted, then planting it seems like a fair plan for
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
> politically aware.
> That's obviously where he is lacking - along with civility and manners.

But, luckily you don't have to read me! Do you?

Signature

Brian

Brian Sharrock - 23 Apr 2007 09:21 GMT
>> <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> McCabe

Absolutely true; you must therefore agree that the OP's point that the
demise of  the demand for timber pit-props was 'because Thatcher had closed
the mine' was a prime example of post hoc and not propter hoc. { which was
the point I was challenging ].
Technology and extraction methods evolve (improve?) and develop over time -
which is more than can be said for the OP's understanding of the Real World.

Signature

Brian

Soren Larsen - 22 Apr 2007 11:50 GMT
>> snip
>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> for example - you are working on a 60  or even 80 year rotation.
> By the time they are mature the world is a different place.

When the Danish fleet was seized by the Brits in 1807, the navy frantically
started to plant oaks all over to make up for the trees used to build new
ships.

The rotation for oak is about 200 years.

One of these days!!!

Soren Larsen

Signature

History is not what it used to be.

Adam Whyte-Settlar - 22 Apr 2007 13:44 GMT
>>> snip
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> One of these days!!!

: )
I can't remember where this place is but somewhere in England there is a
cathedral that had some enormous oak timbers replaced some 400 years after
it was built with oak that was planted when it was built for just that
purpose.
That's the story anyway and it makes sense.
The French have 200 year rotations on some of their hardwood plantations.
However, their history is such that most of these plantations are family
owned and have been for centuries. They plant now for their great
great-grandchildren.
I helped draw up the management plans for most of the Woodland Trust's
properties in the north of Scotland and one of those included a 200 year
rotation on a SSSI Oak forest near Golspie. The trees are all of a similar
age (about 300 IIRC) so the plan is to have younger trees coming through to
take their place when they die. Seems obvious doesn't it but no-one had
thought to make any provision for it in the last 200 years I even managed to
persuade them to plant a new woodland of 7,000 sapling oaks. Probably about
the only worthwhile and lasting thing I've ever done in fact.
Soren Larsen - 22 Apr 2007 14:10 GMT
>>>> snip
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> woodland of 7,000 sapling oaks. Probably about the only worthwhile
> and lasting thing I've ever done in fact.

Some of the danish navy oaks are finally getting under sail.

The historical US yacht coronet is being restored with some of
them

http://www.yachtcoronet.org/pr/FuttockPurchase.htm

"Planted in the seventeenth century by command of King Christian IV
to provide timber for the Royal Navy, these 200 year-old trees are
individually registered and reserved for special projects by the Danish
Crown."

They are a bit confused about the dates though.

The planting program started in the 16th century but the oaks they are
getting
are the ones planted in the early 19th c. to make up for the loss of the
navy.

Other oaks are being used for viking ship replicas and some has been used
to restore Dutch windmills though that is stretching the sail thing a bit.

Some has even been used to restore the Frigate Jylland which is as close
as any of the oaks will get to be used for their original purpose.

http://www.navalhistory.dk/images/Skibene/IJ/Jylland(1860)-1178-1970.jpg

http://www.bil-fritid.dk/graphics/pictures/2721_full.jpg

Soren Larsen

Signature

History is not what it used to be.

Adam Whyte-Settlar - 23 Apr 2007 06:20 GMT
> Some of the danish navy oaks are finally getting under sail.

Interesting.
I've got a lot of Spanish friends and one of the usual arguments when I'm
down that way is who is responsible for the demise of our respective Oak
forests.
Theirs built the Armada and ours went to defend against it but that's not
the way they see it.
It's all the fault of the bastard English apparently.
: )

> History is not what it used to be.

Neither is the future - where's my flying car?
I've waited over 40 years for it now.
Josiah Jenkins - 23 Apr 2007 12:47 GMT
Whilst perusing Usenet on Mon, 23 Apr 2007 15:20:24 +1000, I read
these words from "Adam Whyte-Settlar" <grawillers@westnet.com.au> :

>> Some of the danish navy oaks are finally getting under sail.
>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>Neither is the future - where's my flying car?
>I've waited over 40 years for it now.

The Feds shut down John De Lorean before
he got round to building yours.

-- jjj
Turlough - 21 Apr 2007 12:40 GMT
> I was from the East Coast and I still remember, a bit vaguely
> its true, the beauty of deciduous forests. You know what I would
> really like to do someday? Ski or snowshoe a birch forest.

Living among civilized and God fearing folks, you were probably a
sensible fellow back then, as well. Your descent into the west coast
decadent and barbaric lifestyle is a common, but tragic tale we hear
many times. From what I understand, Dubya spoke and wrote perfect
American when he was here being educated, but after being assimilated by
the ten gallon hat goofs, adopted the bumpkin vocabulary, replete with
incomplete and syntax challenged sentences, disingenuous replies, and of
course, peppered with *down home,* rustic references that have Webster
spinning in his New Haven grave. The city fathers put up a born in New
Haven sign when Dubya was first elected, but some of our concerned
citizens kept knocking it down. The fathers finally got the hint and
threw it away. Perhaps if California secedes, they'll take the Alamo
folks with them. The gasoline prices would go up, but that's a small
price to pay to regain our rightful spot again as leader of the free world.

There are so many birch trees here, we cut them down and make lovely,
clean white logs, which are sprayed with a sealer and sold as decorative
logs for fireplaces. Mostly, they re-plant elms as we are known as the
elm city, to counter the devastation caused by the dutch elm disease
which decimated our trees earlier last century. Right now, I'm still
getting rid of the oak leaves and dead branches littered across the
yard. If you're not busy today...

                                   Turlough
Deirdre Sholto Douglas - 21 Apr 2007 14:43 GMT
> There are so many birch trees here, we cut them down and make lovely,
> clean white logs, which are sprayed with a sealer and sold as decorative
> logs for fireplaces.

We had a lot of them until the Birch Borer elected to visit...the
lovely little clump planted tree in the front of my house, the one
I see through my office window, succumbed to the beast despite
extensive (and expensive) attempts to save it.  Our neighbourhood,
which used to be planted with a combination of Maple, Paper birch
and Ash, now hasn't a birch tree to bless itself with, save for my
(replacement) River birch which is resistant to the bug.

> Mostly, they re-plant elms as we are known as the
> elm city, to counter the devastation caused by the dutch elm disease
> which decimated our trees earlier last century.

They planted the Princeton or Valley Forge Elm rather than the
old-fashioned American one though, didn't they?  I like elms, I
just don't like the mess they make in the spring when they drop
their seeds...hard to believe something so small could so effec-
tively block something as large as a storm drain.

> Right now, I'm still
> getting rid of the oak leaves and dead branches littered across the
> yard. If you're not busy today...

Hm...well, if you'd prefer Maple leaves and last year's crabapples,
you could come and clear my yard instead of your own.  

We're in the process of replanting about forty feet of the border
which was destroyed by a utility that didn't know where their line
was...granted, they settled with us financially, but the work is still
a brute.  I keep telling myself this is "an opportunity" to rework
things out there, but my lower back has a different opinion.

Deirdre
Robert Peffers. - 21 Apr 2007 15:32 GMT
>> There are so many birch trees here, we cut them down and make lovely,
>> clean white logs, which are sprayed with a sealer and sold as decorative
[quoted text clipped - 32 lines]
>
> Deirdre
You seem NOT to be having too much luck ATM. As the father of the radio
series, "The McFlannels", (way back in the 40-60), used to say, "Cheer-up,
we've never dei'd o Winter yit".
Signature


Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

Deirdre Sholto Douglas - 22 Apr 2007 21:00 GMT
> > We're in the process of replanting about forty feet of the border
> > which was destroyed by a utility that didn't know where their line
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> series, "The McFlannels", (way back in the 40-60), used to say, "Cheer-up,
> we've never dei'd o Winter yit".

Ach, I've all the luck in the world...healthy family, work which
interests me and enough leisure time and disposable income
to pursue my interests...what more does anyone need?

These wee trials are just the normal setbacks of life and while
they may red-line the aggravation meter when they're happening,
they're not insurmountable by any stretch of the imagination...
and frequently they _do_ turn out to be "opportunities", but that
tends to be in hindsight.  The most aggravating thing about the
border was that we had no warning, if they'd _told_ us they were
going to dig it up, we could have moved some plants out of the
line of fire, but I came home to fait accompli.  

S'okay though, I've spent many hours this weekend (and even
more dollars) at every plant nursery within a ten mile radius of
the house (all the mail order plants arrived on Friday)...and since
my daughter is cash-strapped owing to a cut in hours at her job,
I also have cheap labour at my disposal.  Between the two (well,
three, if you count His Lordship's refusal to count the cost),
things are coming back together nicely.

Life is fine...I make my own luck.

Deirdre
Robert Peffers. - 23 Apr 2007 02:23 GMT
>> > We're in the process of replanting about forty feet of the border
>> > which was destroyed by a utility that didn't know where their line
[quoted text clipped - 31 lines]
>
> Deirdre

I presented a young married lady and her two wee boys, who pass my gate
several times each day on their way to the local school, with a standard
Fuchsia I had grown for a year or so. You would have thought I had given her
the crown jewels by the way her face lit up. She and her husband are just
establishing their garden in their new home. I must see what other surplus
stuff I have - I just hate to throw pruning's away and always have a few
little, more unusual, plants on the go.
Signature


Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

kevinmccabe@yahoo.com - 22 Apr 2007 16:15 GMT
> kevinmcc...@yahoo.com wrote:
> > I was from the East Coast and I still remember, a bit vaguely
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Living among civilized and God fearing folks, you were probably a
> sensible fellow back then, as well.

Well, I recall the trees as quite lovely. By contrast, I recall the
people as quite ugly. One of the few times I have ever, subjectively
experienced prejudice was in Pennsylvania. I was new to a town and
went around after school to see if anyone wanted to play ball. The
answer at twelve houses was that the kid wasn't allowed to because I
was a catholic. Fortunately, in those days it wasn't a felony to have
a fistfight behind the backstop. I was about nine, I think.

> Your descent into the west coast
> decadent and barbaric lifestyle is a common, but tragic tale we hear
> many times.

I have never experienced anything remotely si milar in Seattle. There
always were, of course, fights with catholic schoolboys over uniforms.
Btu, it was equal opportunity stuff. I was in as many scraps with them
over the teasing as any protestant. By contrast, we don't lag far
behind you lot in insitutional racism targetting persons of color by
means of selective enforcement of the criminal law. However, some of
us are trying to fight that. Given your responses in this forum,
though, I know those arguments would fall on stone deaf ears with you.
Like all of the Northeast, you seem perfectly happy to sign over your
liberty and privacy to Big Brother in some vague attempt at security.

> From what I understand, Dubya spoke and wrote perfect
> American when he was here being educated, but after being assimilated by
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> citizens kept knocking it down. The fathers finally got the hint and
> threw it away.

I'm glad your finally laying claim to the bastard. Now, go and make
good and heartfelt acts of contrition until doomsday to make up for
his sins.

> Perhaps if California secedes, they'll take the Alamo
> folks with them. The gasoline prices would go up, but that's a small
> price to pay to regain our rightful spot again as leader of the free world.

Personally, I live for the day when Mexico retakes Texas and
California falls into the sea. It would be the greatest victory for
the left since the Russian Army left the fields of slaughter in the
Great War.

> There are so many birch trees here, we cut them down and make lovely,
> clean white logs, which are sprayed with a sealer and sold as decorative
> logs for fireplaces.

I must be serious now. I really do want to ski a Birch Forrest. I had
thought Poland, though.

> Mostly, they re-plant elms as we are known as the
> elm city, to counter the devastation caused by the dutch elm disease
> which decimated our trees earlier last century. Right now, I'm still
> getting rid of the oak leaves and dead branches littered across the
> yard. If you're not busy today...

Sorry, dealing with Maple leafs and a fallen laurel myself.

McCabe
Conway Caine - 21 Apr 2007 15:12 GMT
>> >> Beg to disagree, I saw a whole forty-year-old forest of Doug Fir on
>> >> the Hills around Loch Ness back in 1992. A man explained to me they
[quoted text clipped - 108 lines]
> its true, the beauty of deciduous forests. You know what I would
> really like to do someday? Ski or snowshoe a birch forest.

Unfortunately, the Douglas Firs are under attack in the Appalachian
Mountains.
Some sort of beetle plus heavy pollution are taking their toll.
Sad, a beautiful and stately tree.
Adam Whyte-Settlar - 22 Apr 2007 02:36 GMT
> Unfortunately, the Douglas Firs are under attack in the Appalachian
> Mountains.
> Some sort of beetle plus heavy pollution are taking their toll.
> Sad, a beautiful and stately tree.

Probaby Tussock moth grubs - that's the most common one.
But so many forests are under stress due to other factors - like drought and
pollution - that they succumb more easily to natural pests that ordinarily
they would recover from over time.
Conway Caine - 22 Apr 2007 20:42 GMT
>> Unfortunately, the Douglas Firs are under attack in the Appalachian
>> Mountains.
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> and pollution - that they succumb more easily to natural pests that
> ordinarily they would recover from over time.

That is pretty much the conclusion the experts came to around here.
kevinmccabe@yahoo.com - 22 Apr 2007 16:18 GMT
> <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 123 lines]
>
> - Show quoted text -

Sorry to hear that. I hope the Rockies stop the damn thing. Still, the
Appalachian trail is amongst the great natural wonders famed for its
deciduous trees, yes? I was on part of it once, a lifetime ago.

McCabe
Conway Caine - 22 Apr 2007 20:44 GMT
>> Unfortunately, the Douglas Firs are under attack in the Appalachian
>> Mountains.
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Appalachian trail is amongst the great natural wonders famed for its
> deciduous trees, yes? I was on part of it once, a lifetime ago.

Fortunately, other evergreens are taking the place of the Firs.
Balsams if I remember correctly.
Andrew Chaplin - 22 Apr 2007 22:40 GMT
> That's about right - same thing happened after WW1 - we were worried we
> would run out of timber to construct trenches, so as soon as the war was
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> trenches or (after Thatcher) pit-props again, though the latter was for
> reasons other than supply.

I believe one of the major reasons for the replanting of trees in Scotland
after the Great War was for aircraft construction.
Signature

Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Baldoni - 17 Apr 2007 10:09 GMT
|| Innews:1176701945.981615.191340@q75g2000hsh.googlegroups.com,
|| kevinmcc...@yahoo.com <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 68 lines]
|
| McCabe

You have to adapt your house with domesticated ferrets they will get
anywhere.

As for the Doug Firs I will have to get back to you.  I am very envious of
those bob cats and panthers you have though.
Signature

Count Baldoni

kevinmccabe@yahoo.com - 18 Apr 2007 02:43 GMT
> Innews:1176776615.432022.227570@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com,
> kevinmcc...@yahoo.com <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com> typed:
[quoted text clipped - 77 lines]
> --
> Count Baldoni

You know, I've never seen a bobcat (outside a zoo), but I hear tell
there's a lot of them over on Kate's side of the Cascades. We have
plenty of cougars, though. Not just in the mountains either (though I
saw one from fifteen feet up there once). We back up on twenty
thousand acres of greenbelt, mostly gorges. Anyway, when my kid was in
elementary school, they had to close the place down for a day because
one the big cats was hanging out in the playground. We get a fair
number of bears, but mostly black - so thats all good. Up in the North
Cascades, though, they've got Grizz coming into the towns.

McCabe
oldfrogster@gmail.com - 16 Apr 2007 14:03 GMT
On Apr 16, 1:39 am, "kevinmcc...@yahoo.com" <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> > "Baldoni" <antho...@amalfi.org> wrote in message
>
[quoted text clipped - 38 lines]
>
> McCabe

Dont you have cats?  Maybe your cats have become like your navy
(sorry, couldnt resist).  However, if ya keep bitchin, we'll send you
some racoons.
oldfrogster@gmail.com - 16 Apr 2007 14:11 GMT
On Apr 16, 9:03 am, oldfrogs...@gmail.com wrote:
> On Apr 16, 1:39 am, "kevinmcc...@yahoo.com" <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> (sorry, couldnt resist).  However, if ya keep bitchin, we'll send you
> some racoons.

When we didnt have cats, the squirrels would eat all the pecans and
throw the half eaten nuts into my boat.  The cats think the squirrels
are cat toys and obsess over catching them.  They are successful just
enough to keep the population down.  One young cat (gonna have to
rename her "Cornwall")just doesnt have the attention span to track the
squirrels and eventually gives up and meows pitifully in frustration
and then the squirrels sit up in the trees mocking her and throwing
nuts down on her.
allan connochie - 16 Apr 2007 14:33 GMT
> On Apr 16, 9:03 am, oldfrogs...@gmail.com wrote:
>> On Apr 16, 1:39 am, "kevinmcc...@yahoo.com" <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com>
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
> are cat toys and obsess over catching them.  They are successful just
> enough to keep the population down.

Mind you the squirrel problem isn't so much stopping them coming into
gardens etc. The problem is that in the wild they are replacing the native
red squirrels which have already all but disappeared from much of the
island. I live in the Scottish Borders where we still have a fair population
of reds, however even here it is much more common to see the greys!

Allan
Robert Peffers. - 16 Apr 2007 22:47 GMT
> On Apr 16, 1:39 am, "kevinmcc...@yahoo.com" <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 58 lines]
> (sorry, couldnt resist).  However, if ya keep bitchin, we'll send you
> some racoons.

No thanks. The rubbish your lot left on the bottom of the Holy Loch was more
than enough gifts from your benighted country.
Signature


Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

Adam Whyte-Settlar - 18 Apr 2007 15:12 GMT
> On Apr 16, 1:39 am, "kevinmcc...@yahoo.com" <kevinmcc...@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 56 lines]
>
> Dont you have cats?  Maybe your cats have become like your navy

Is that the navy that were made silhouetted sitting ducks for U-boats
because you refused to black out your coastal cities?
Thanks a lot for not 'saving' all the thousands that died while you partied
on, slimeball.
Ian MacLure - 16 Apr 2007 05:18 GMT
> Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses
> the last time we thought was damned unsavory.  You planted on  trading
> vessels the arch villain the Gray Squirrel.  Our native Squirrel the Red
> which is much smaller has been forced into Scotland in much the same way
> as the Saxon chased the Celt.  How would you like that you rotten
> bastards.

       The grey squirrel infestation is accidental.
       If we'd wanted to do you over we'd have sent black squirrels.
       They make MS-13 look like Girl Scouts.

       IBM
Jane Margaret Laight - 16 Apr 2007 16:08 GMT
> Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses the
> last time we thought was damned unsavory.  You planted on  trading vessels
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Red Squirrel/Methadone Alliance

> Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses the
> last time we thought was damned unsavory.  You planted on  trading vessels
[quoted text clipped - 17 lines]
>
> Red Squirrel/Methadone Alliance

Once again, the New world's gift to mankind, the grey squirrel
(universal food) is once again being reviled and denigrated by those
who would wish to continue to promote the inferior red squirrel,
currently ekeing out its existence in the woods and wildlands of the
British Isles.

The United states Department of State is currently contemplating
facilitating the continuing importation of the grey squirrel into Old
Blighty by promoting it as the latest event in the consolidation of
Anglo-American friendship and co-operation--first Lend-Lease, later
Iraq, now the grey squirrel--just us cheerful murkin types spreading
joy and happiness and grey squirrels throughout the land; indeed, we
may send a flotilla of ships over your way with as many squirrels that
we can find to reinforce those that have already established a
beachead--a second Normandy invasion (although it might be Dover this
time), if you will...

Among other advantages, the grey squirrel is considered amongst
certain types of murkins as a rare delicacy (some say it tastes like
chicken), and the undersigned is on the short list of those considered
to help organize the culinary attack on English cooking ("No bubble
and squeak! Have some creamed squirrel on toast!")!

And my dear Count, I would consider it a personal duty on my part to
present you with a crack squad of grey squirrels ready to overrun--
err, re-populate--your island.  We'll even bring our own provisions so
you would not have to worry about running out of nuts, just as long as
you have a fresh water source available.  And once a month, we'll send
someone over to show you and the Countess, the residents of your
monastery and other invited guests the many and varied ways to prepare
and cook and eat grey squirrel...

Of course, please be advised that we do keep the black squirrels in
reserve; should you refuse our kind offer, we may consider unleashing
the black squirrel on Auld Blighty--and boy, you'll be in trouble
then, I tell you!

The Honorable Jane Margaret Laight
U.S. Supreme Plenipotentiary Commissioner to the Court of St James
Grey Squirrel Resettlement and Culinary Arts Project (application
pending)
Cory Bhreckan - 16 Apr 2007 16:33 GMT
> Of course, please be advised that we do keep the black squirrels in
> reserve; should you refuse our kind offer, we may consider unleashing
> the black squirrel on Auld Blighty--and boy, you'll be in trouble
> then, I tell you!

I don't know about that, the black squirrels are originally from Ontario.

> The Honorable Jane Margaret Laight
> U.S. Supreme Plenipotentiary Commissioner to the Court of St James
> Grey Squirrel Resettlement and Culinary Arts Project (application
> pending)

Signature

"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall

Robert Peffers. - 16 Apr 2007 23:08 GMT
>> Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses
>> the
[quoted text clipped - 95 lines]
> Grey Squirrel Resettlement and Culinary Arts Project (application
> pending)

Not another word of threats to send any other USAsian critters to our
Sceptred Isles or we will send you the first battalion,  "The Mighty
Ring -Tailed Winged Haggis". These beasts are so powerful we do not even
need to provide then either sea or air transportation. The little buggers
just get themselves to the target. All that is required is to present each
member of the attack force with a bottle of single malt, a handful of
oatmeal and a large enough sporran to keep them in. We then give them an
item that is unique to the country to be invaded and point them in the
general direction. The last country we did that to was Aradobiland. What!
You've never heard of it? Exactly.
Now all we need is something unique to your benighted land. I wonder what we
could use?
Signature


Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

Cory Bhreckan - 17 Apr 2007 00:21 GMT
>>> Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses
>>> the
[quoted text clipped - 97 lines]
> Sceptred Isles or we will send you the first battalion,  "The Mighty
> Ring -Tailed Winged Haggis".

Not fair! At least the grey squirrels are edible! Before the turn of the
last century the squirrels in this area (mine and Jane's) were hunted
almost to extinction. We had to *import* black squirrels from Canada and
save some of the local critters in the National Zoo.

> These beasts are so powerful we do not even
> need to provide then either sea or air transportation. The little buggers
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
> Now all we need is something unique to your benighted land. I wonder what we
> could use?

Signature

"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall

Ray O'Hara - 17 Apr 2007 00:27 GMT
>Before the turn of the
> last century the squirrels in tis area (mine and Jane's) were hunted
> almost to extinction. We had to *import* black squirrels from Canada and
> save some of the local critters in the National Zoo.

in your area RSVP on a dinner invitation means "roast skunk very possible"
Cory Bhreckan - 17 Apr 2007 13:56 GMT
>> Before the turn of the
>> last century the squirrels in tis area (mine and Jane's) were hunted
>> almost to extinction. We had to *import* black squirrels from Canada and
>> save some of the local critters in the National Zoo.
>
> in your area RSVP on a dinner invitation means "roast skunk very possible"

I'm talking about Washington D.C., you're not allowed to eat the skunks,
just vote for them.

Signature

"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall

Robert Peffers. - 17 Apr 2007 09:18 GMT
>>>> Your plan to destabilize our country in revenge for kicking your arses
>>>> the
[quoted text clipped - 121 lines]
>> Now all we need is something unique to your benighted land. I wonder what
>> we could use?

So if we wish to get rid of our share of your national delicacy we could
just stop all family tax credits, state pensions and unemployment payments
and hand out recipes and free vegetables instead?
I'm surprised that Scottish NuLabour, in their present difficulties, have
not latched onto that one.
Signature


Robert Peffers,
Kelty,
Fife,
Scotland, (UK).

Andrew Chaplin - 17 Apr 2007 21:32 GMT
On Apr 16, 7:21 pm, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
wrote:

> > Not another word of threats to send any other USAsian critters to our
> > Sceptred Isles or we will send you the first battalion,  "The Mighty
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
> almost to extinction. We had to *import* black squirrels from Canada and
> save some of the local critters in the National Zoo.

The black squirrel is just a melanistic grey squirrel (Sciurus
carolinensus). Around here, they are considered to be just a rat with
a fur coat and a press agent.
--
Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
Cory Bhreckan - 17 Apr 2007 22:00 GMT
> On Apr 16, 7:21 pm, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> The black squirrel is just a melanistic grey squirrel (Sciurus
> carolinensus).

I know, they interbreed with the other squirrels in my back yard.

> Around here, they are considered to be just a rat with
> a fur coat and a press agent.

Not a very good press agent. The little buggers steal our tomatoes. My
dogs are on standing orders to kill the little bastards.

> --
> Andrew Chaplin
> SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO

Signature

"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall

Andrew Chaplin - 18 Apr 2007 03:32 GMT
>> On Apr 16, 7:21 pm, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> I know, they interbreed with the other squirrels in my back yard.

That's not interbreeding, that's just breeding.
Signature

Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

Cory Bhreckan - 18 Apr 2007 14:45 GMT
>>> On Apr 16, 7:21 pm, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
>>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> That's not interbreeding, that's just breeding.

In the south it's miscegenation.

Signature

"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall

Andrew Chaplin - 19 Apr 2007 04:18 GMT
>>>> On Apr 16, 7:21 pm, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
>>>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> In the south it's miscegenation.

If they want to screw squirrels, that's up to them. We folks north of the
Mason-Dixon Line tend to stick to H. sapiens sapiens.
Signature

Andrew Chaplin
SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
(If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

La N - 19 Apr 2007 14:23 GMT
>>>>> On Apr 16, 7:21 pm, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
>>>>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 19 lines]
> If they want to screw squirrels, that's up to them. We folks north of the
> Mason-Dixon Line tend to stick to H. sapiens sapiens.

And, a resounding *YES* from British Columbia!   :)

- nilita, preferring H. erectus to squirrels ... heheheh ...
Cory Bhreckan - 19 Apr 2007 16:25 GMT
>>>>>> On Apr 16, 7:21 pm, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 20 lines]
>
> - nilita, preferring H. erectus to squirrels ... heheheh ...

Having no personal experience with squirrels or H. erectus I won't argue
with you.

Signature

"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall

Fred J. McCall - 19 Apr 2007 16:29 GMT
:> - nilita, preferring H. erectus to squirrels ... heheheh ...
:
:Having no personal experience with squirrels or H. erectus I won't argue
:with you.

Nilita likes 'em long dead and extinct.  They can't talk back that
way...

Signature

"Well, I met a girl in West Hollywood.  I ain't naming names.
She really worked me over good.  She was just like Jesse James.
She really worked me over good.  She was a credit to her gender.
She put me through some changes, Lord.  
Sort of like a Waring blender."
                 -- Warren Zevon, "Poor, Poor, Pitiful Me"

La N. - 19 Apr 2007 16:35 GMT
> :> - nilita, preferring H. erectus to squirrels ... heheheh ...
> :
[quoted text clipped - 3 lines]
> Nilita likes 'em long dead and extinct.  They can't talk back that
> way...

Oh oh.  Fred is sounding an awful like The Highlander lately.  I
wonder why ..... hmmmm ....

And to Cory:  Squirrels are the dead things my cats sometimes bring
home.  H. Erectus is ... well ..... warm and cuddly ... and has been
known to send flowers ...%)

- nilita
La N. - 19 Apr 2007 16:46 GMT
> > :> - nilita, preferring H. erectus to squirrels ... heheheh ...
> > :
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> home.  H. Erectus is ... well ..... warm and cuddly ... and has been
> known to send flowers ...%)

Doh! ... I forgot most people don't understand the inside joke around
these parts where some of us refer to the bodybuilders at the gym as
Homo Erectus.  Jokingly, of course ...%)

- nilita, slapping hand to forehead ...
Vince - 19 Apr 2007 16:56 GMT
>>> :> - nilita, preferring H. erectus to squirrels ... heheheh ...
>>> :
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
>
> - nilita, slapping hand to forehead ...

Don't worry we got it.   the funny part is any reference to  H erectus
as an "inside" joke is itself a fine "inside" Double entendre since
everyone knows body builders are Neanderthals not Erectus

Vince
Fred J. McCall - 20 Apr 2007 02:01 GMT
:> > :> - nilita, preferring H. erectus to squirrels ... heheheh ...
:> > :
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
:these parts where some of us refer to the bodybuilders at the gym as
:Homo Erectus.  Jokingly, of course ...%)

Really silly.  You know steroids cause ED, right?  'Erectus' isn't
something many body builders are likely to be good at...

Signature

"Some people get lost in thought because it's such unfamiliar
territory."
                                     --G. Behn

Cory Bhreckan - 19 Apr 2007 16:48 GMT
>> :> - nilita, preferring H. erectus to squirrels ... heheheh ...
>> :
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
> home.  H. Erectus is ... well ..... warm and cuddly ... and has been
> known to send flowers ...%)

And they look like this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pekingthr.jpg
or this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Erectus2ZICA.png

> - nilita

Signature

"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall

La N. - 19 Apr 2007 16:50 GMT
On Apr 19, 8:48 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
wrote:

> >> :> - nilita, preferring H. erectus to squirrels ... heheheh ...
> >> :
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
> And they look like this?http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Pekingthr.jpg
> or this.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Erectus2ZICA.png

Somewhat ... :)

I forgot that most people don't catch the local reference to
bodybuilders.  See my previous post ... ;)

- nilita
Fred J. McCall - 20 Apr 2007 01:56 GMT
:> :> - nilita, preferring H. erectus to squirrels ... heheheh ...
:> :
[quoted text clipped - 6 lines]
:Oh oh.  Fred is sounding an awful like The Highlander lately.  I
:wonder why ..... hmmmm ....

Oh oh.  Nilita DOES know that H. erectus went extinct around half a
million years ago, right?  Too late for even Viagra to help, given
that.

Poor Nilita will stretch to any silly thought to remain the center of
her little universe.

:And to Cory:  Squirrels are the dead things my cats sometimes bring
:home.  H. Erectus is ... well ..... warm and cuddly ... and has been
:known to send flowers ...%)

Wasn't Nilita just lecturing about how she doesn't read what I write?

Sad, little girl.  Really sad.

Signature

"I could never learn to like her, except on a raft at sea with
no other provisions in sight."
                                 -- Mark Twain

Jane Margaret Laight - 19 Apr 2007 21:01 GMT
On Apr 19, 11:25 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
wrote:
> >>>>>> On Apr 16, 7:21 pm, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
> >>>>>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 24 lines]
> Having no personal experience with squirrels or H. erectus I won't argue
> with you.

Being that I have had personal experience with both, I would recommend
that you may want to have more of a closer relationship with our four-
footed friends. I can certainly appreciate your hesitation about H.
erectus, as one can find both the direct descendants of Peking Man and
those narcissists La Nilita describes at the local gymnasium or
fitness center.  I once knew one of those fellows who could bench
press 500 pounds and he occasionally did so while gazing at his
magnificent self in a handy mirror. Scary, scary...

JML
no stranger to gymnasia (retired)

> --
> "For the stronger we our houses do build,
> The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
La N - 19 Apr 2007 21:17 GMT
> On Apr 19, 11:25 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 45 lines]
> JML
> no stranger to gymnasia (retired)

I *so* agree with you, Jane.  I had tongue firmly planted in cheek when I
posted that.

Having said that, I do have very fond memories of my former fitness trainer
of many years ago - all 6'6" 280 lb. of him ...;)

- nilita
Conway Caine - 20 Apr 2007 20:16 GMT
>> On Apr 19, 11:25 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 51 lines]
> Having said that, I do have very fond memories of my former fitness
> trainer of many years ago - all 6'6" 280 lb. of him ...;)

The one with the great flat horns affixed to his head?
Cory Bhreckan - 19 Apr 2007 21:44 GMT
> On Apr 19, 11:25 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 26 lines]
> that you may want to have more of a closer relationship with our four-
> footed friends.

Oh I have experiences with squirrels, just not the type Nilita was
suggesting. I once caught one square in the midsection with an overgrown
zucchini. Knocked it clear off the fence. My previous dog caught one, it
got away but not with all it's tail. We mounted her 'trophy' on the fence.

> I can certainly appreciate your hesitation about H.
> erectus, as one can find both the direct descendants of Peking Man and
> those narcissists La Nilita describes at the local gymnasium or
> fitness center.

That may be difficult. Peking Man has no existing descendants. The
current consensus is that archaic and then modern humans (h.s.s.)
evolved in southern Africa.

> I once knew one of those fellows who could bench
> press 500 pounds and he occasionally did so while gazing at his
> magnificent self in a handy mirror. Scary, scary...

Ah yes... 'manly' men. Heh heh.

> JML
> no stranger to gymnasia (retired)
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>
>> - Show quoted text -

Signature

"For the stronger we our houses do build,
The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall

Jane Margaret Laight - 20 Apr 2007 06:01 GMT
On Apr 19, 4:44 pm, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
wrote:
> > On Apr 19, 11:25 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
> > wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 40 lines]
> current consensus is that archaic and then modern humans (h.s.s.)
> evolved in southern Africa.

not that difficult--I've known some fellows that don't look too
different than those pictures; they may not be Peking Man's direct
descendants, but they damn sure favor him somewhat...

:)

JML
happily single

<snip>
Conway Caine - 19 Apr 2007 17:16 GMT
>>>>>> On Apr 16, 7:21 pm, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
>>>>>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 25 lines]
>
> - nilita, preferring H. erectus to squirrels ... heheheh ...

Oh come now, we all are aware of you Canadians and your carnal craving for
Mooses.
La N. - 19 Apr 2007 18:08 GMT
>  > Oh come now, we all are aware of you Canadians and your carnal craving for
> Mooses.-
^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You mis-spelled Moosehead Beer ...%)

- nilita
Conway Caine - 20 Apr 2007 20:15 GMT
>>  > Oh come now, we all are aware of you Canadians and your carnal craving
>> for
>> Mooses.-
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> You mis-spelled Moosehead Beer ...%)

The animal, not the beer (which ain't all that bad).
One of the reasons for the low birthrate in Canada has been the annual
Spring dash into the woods to corner and do unspeakable things to female
mooses.
deemsbill@aol.com - 19 Apr 2007 14:26 GMT
On Apr 18, 9:45 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
wrote:
> >>> On Apr 16, 7:21 pm, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net>
> >>> wrote:
[quoted text clipped - 13 lines]
>
> In the south it's miscegenation.