In Gulf -- Vice President Cheney Warns Iran
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D. Spencer Hines - 12 May 2007 07:32 GMT Well-Stated -- Firm -- Yet Measured & Precise.
DSH
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In Gulf, Cheney warns Iran of U.S. resolve
By David E. Sanger
Friday, May 11, 2007 International Herald Tribune
BRUSSELS: Vice President Dick Cheney used the deck of an American aircraft carrier just 240 kilometers off Iran's coast as the backdrop Friday to warn the country that the United States was prepared to use its naval power to keep Tehran from disrupting oil routes or "gaining nuclear weapons and dominating this region."
BINGO! -- DSH
Little of what Cheney said in the cavernous hangar bay of the aircraft carrier John C. Stennis, one of two carriers whose strike groups are now in the Gulf, was new.
Each individual line had, in some form, been said before, at various points in the four-year-long nuclear standoff with Iran, and during the increasingly tense arguments over whether Iran is aiding the insurgents in Iraq.
But Cheney stitched all of those warnings together, and the symbolism of sending the administration's most famous hawk to deliver the speech so close to Iran's coast was unmistakable.
Indeed. -- DSH
It also came just a week after Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice talked briefly and inconclusively with Iran's foreign minister, a step toward re-engagement with Iran that some in the administration have opposed.
Cheney's sharp warnings appeared to be part of a two-track administration campaign to push back at Iran, while leaving the door open to negotiations.
It was almost exactly a year ago that the United States offered to negotiate with Iran as long as it first agreed to halt enriching uranium, a decision in which Cheney, participants said, was not a major player. Similarly, the speech Friday was not circulated broadly in the government before it was delivered, a senior American diplomat said.
"He kind of runs by his own rules," the official said.
When President George W. Bush ordered the two carriers into the Gulf late last year, senior administration officials said it was part of an effort to gain some negotiating leverage over the Iranians.
At about the same time, American military personnel began capturing some Iranians in Iraq, and some of them are still held there.
American officials have also been pressing European banks and companies to avoid doing business with Tehran, in an effort to make it more difficult for the country to recycle its oil profits.
Oil seemed to be on Cheney's mind Friday, when he told an audience of 3,500 to 4,000 American service members on the Stennis that Iran would not be permitted to choke off oil shipments through the waters of the region.
"With two carrier strike groups in the Gulf, we're sending clear messages to friends and adversaries alike," he said. "We'll keep the sea lanes open. We'll stand with our friends in opposing extremism and strategic threats. We'll disrupt attacks on our own forces. We'll continue bringing relief to those who suffer, and delivering justice to the enemies of freedom. And we'll stand with others to prevent Iran from gaining nuclear weapons and dominating this region."
Some experts on Iran have questioned whether the threats that administration officials occasionally deliver to Iran aid or undercut the diplomacy with the country.
"The problem with the two-track policy is that the first track - coercion, sanctions, naval deployments - can undercut the results on the second track," said Ray Takeyh, an Iran scholar at the Council of Foreign Relations and the author of "Hidden Iran: Paradox and Power in the Islamic Republic."
Horsefeathers! The Steel Fist In The Velvet Glove. Excellent Foreign Policy When Dealing With Ahmahdinejad. -- DSH
"There are some in Tehran who will look at Cheney on that carrier and say that everything Rice is offering is not real. What's real, to their mind, are the coercive policies Cheney is describing. This is a case where we are trying to get through negotiations what, so far, we couldn't get through coercion."
The symbols of coercion were part of the backdrop on the Stennis: Cheney spoke in front of five F-18 Super Hornet warplanes.
Entirely Appropriate. -- DSH
Cheney also repeated his arguments about the danger of early withdrawal from Iraq.
The United States remains at odds with Iran over its uranium-enrichment program, which Iran says is for peaceful nuclear energy, but which America and its Western allies say is intended instead to produce atomic weapons.
Administration officials have also said that weapons are being smuggled into Iraq from Iran and that insurgents may be getting training in bomb-making and bomb-placing techniques in Iran. The Iranian government denies sponsoring or encouraging terrorism.
Alissa J. Rubin contributed reporting from Baghdad, and Graham Bowley contributed from New York.
gyansorova@gmail.com - 12 May 2007 10:46 GMT > Well-Stated -- Firm -- Yet Measured & Precise. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > keep Tehran from disrupting oil routes or "gaining nuclear weapons and > dominating this region." Unlike the good old USA who have only 'peace' in mind and ARE allowed to have nukes! Double standards my boy,double standards - get an education...
Wang King
J Antero - 12 May 2007 14:12 GMT Does he still think the insurgency in Iraq is on its last legs?
Cheney is the biggest disappointment I know of in American politics.
Nobody with any brains is surprised at jesus boy Bush, but Cheney was supposed to be the one who made the executive branch work, and look what he did.
None of these Republican a.sholes can be trusted or expected to make correct real world decisions.
> Well-Stated -- Firm -- Yet Measured & Precise. > [quoted text clipped - 126 lines] > Alissa J. Rubin contributed reporting from Baghdad, and Graham Bowley > contributed from New York. Jamie H - 12 May 2007 22:19 GMT >Does he still think the insurgency in Iraq is on its last legs? > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >supposed to be the one who made the executive branch work, and look what he >did. I know! I remember being upset when Bush/Cheney stole the 2000 election, but I figgered that Bush had some strong, old goats to help him through. Little did I know that Cheney and Rumsfeld had gone crazy. They really aren't coping well from Nixon's departure, are they?
>None of these Republican a.sholes can be trusted or expected to make correct >real world decisions. Agreed.
Jamie
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La N - 12 May 2007 14:19 GMT > Well-Stated -- Firm -- Yet Measured & Precise. > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > In Gulf, Cheney //SNIP ///
That's about all *I* can stand of Cheney ....
Mark Test - 13 May 2007 04:40 GMT > > Well-Stated -- Firm -- Yet Measured & Precise. > > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > That's about all *I* can stand of Cheney .... That's more than most can stand of Pelosi (giving huge tax breaks to her husband's corp), or Reid (making huge cash from Vegas land deals and the mob)....but they're libs...so it's OK.
Mark
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La N - 13 May 2007 04:44 GMT >> > Well-Stated -- Firm -- Yet Measured & Precise. >> > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > her husband's corp), or Reid (making huge cash from Vegas land > deals and the mob)....but they're libs...so it's OK. I get the impression that Pelosi is more popular in the US than Cheney. So, where do you get your stats, eh?
- nilita
Tankfixer - 13 May 2007 05:10 GMT In article <kQv1i.3365$V75.1116@edtnps89>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com mumbled
> >> > Well-Stated -- Firm -- Yet Measured & Precise. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I get the impression that Pelosi is more popular in the US than Cheney. > So, where do you get your stats, eh? Speaker Pelosi reminds me of Cruella DeVille.....
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La N - 13 May 2007 05:11 GMT > In article <kQv1i.3365$V75.1116@edtnps89>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com > mumbled [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Speaker Pelosi reminds me of Cruella DeVille..... It sucks to be a Bush supporter these days .. right, Tanky?
- nilita
Tankfixer - 13 May 2007 05:56 GMT In article <bew1i.3379$V75.88@edtnps89>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com mumbled
> > In article <kQv1i.3365$V75.1116@edtnps89>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com > > mumbled [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > It sucks to be a Bush supporter these days .. right, Tanky? How would I know ?
It is fun to watch the loons accuse him of nearly every crime imaginable. Not to mention the infantile names they like to coin.
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La N - 13 May 2007 05:58 GMT > In article <bew1i.3379$V75.88@edtnps89>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com > mumbled [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > imaginable. > Not to mention the infantile names they like to coin. Even very reasoned people are critical of him. IOW, why do you assume that every person who is critical of Bush is a "loon?"
- nilita
Tankfixer - 13 May 2007 06:38 GMT In article <lWw1i.3495$V75.1244@edtnps89>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com mumbled
> > In article <bew1i.3379$V75.88@edtnps89>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com > > mumbled [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > Even very reasoned people are critical of him. IOW, why do you assume that > every person who is critical of Bush is a "loon?" Again you leap to a conclusion.
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La N - 13 May 2007 06:41 GMT > In article <lWw1i.3495$V75.1244@edtnps89>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com > mumbled [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > May I suggest you abstain from mountain climbing ? Okay, Tanky .. I defer to your infinite wisdom. How do you characterize a person who is critical of the Bush/Cheney policy?
- nilita
D. Spencer Hines - 13 May 2007 07:01 GMT "La Nilita" is so ignorant about American History she has NO idea of what people said about Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano Roosevelt and Harry Truman -- some of our finest Presidents.
Only The Verdict Of History will tell us about President George Walker Bush.
But the abuse he takes from many is certainly nothing new -- and may well turn out to be grossly unfair and dead wrong -- as it was for the four men above.
Does she even have a B.A.?
DSH
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La N - 13 May 2007 07:04 GMT > "La Nilita" is so ignorant about American History she has NO idea of what > people said about Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Franklin Delano [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Does she even have a B.A.? Thus spaketh a man spurned .... (I've known a few)
- nilita
Tankfixer - 13 May 2007 17:27 GMT In article <pyx1i.3774$V75.3618@edtnps89>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com mumbled
> > In article <lWw1i.3495$V75.1244@edtnps89>, nilita2004NOSPAM@yahoo.com > > mumbled [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Okay, Tanky .. I defer to your infinite wisdom. How do you characterize a > person who is critical of the Bush/Cheney policy? Critics of Bush/Cheney policy.
There are subsets of this group, just as there are subsets of every group. Group a) are rational critics who can offer workable alternatives and are willing to engage in polite discourse. At times this disagreement may become heated.
Group b) are the less rational critics, the ones who engage immediately with insults and name calling without considering an idea on it's merit. This is the subset most likely to move straight to calls of violence when confronted with a Bush/Cheney idea.
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D. Spencer Hines - 13 May 2007 05:22 GMT Actually, she's more like a somewhat younger Elizabeth Taylor on speed.
She can't even READ the talking points her staff give her -- with competence.
Watch Her.
DSH
> Speaker Pelosi reminds me of Cruella DeVille..... Mark Test - 13 May 2007 17:05 GMT > Actually, she's more like a somewhat younger Elizabeth Taylor on speed. > > She can't even READ the talking points her staff give her -- with > competence. > > Watch Her. Still, Pelosi is passing a $25 million bill that will bring in profits for her husband's company...(and others to be fair).
The cite is from a blog.....since not even FOX is running the story.
http://newsbusters.org/node/12598
But it's what politicians do.....so why only out rage when it's a republican?
Mark
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Tiglath - 14 May 2007 03:02 GMT >> I get the impression that Pelosi is more popular in the US than Cheney. >> So, where do you get your stats, eh? > > Speaker Pelosi reminds me of Cruella DeVille..... Another off-target movie reference...
You should have quit when you thought that Patton was reading Rommel's infantry book in the movie "Patton."
Tankfixer - 14 May 2007 15:14 GMT In article <CqP1i.2393$Gm.2142@trnddc04>, temp4@tiglath.net mumbled
> >> I get the impression that Pelosi is more popular in the US than Cheney. > >> So, where do you get your stats, eh? [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > You should have quit when you thought that Patton was reading Rommel's > infantry book in the movie "Patton." You should have quite when you though the things presented in movies were actual accounts of history.
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Tiglath - 14 May 2007 18:05 GMT > In article <CqP1i.2393$Gm.2142@trnddc04>, temp4@tiglath.net mumbled >> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > You should have quite when you though the things presented in movies > were actual accounts of history. Red herring. I made it perfectly clear whenever I referred to the movie or the actual events. The fact that you can't quote me confusing the two must be frustrating.
The point made about the book referred CLEARLY to the movie. Not by me but by your fellow idiot, Campbell, with whom you, and notoriously other, concurred, and were soundly kicked in the a.s.
An actual account of Usenet history is that you don't remember movies too well.
Tankfixer - 15 May 2007 02:20 GMT In article <gF02i.66995$Ae.10856@trnddc07>, temp4@tiglath.net mumbled
> > In article <CqP1i.2393$Gm.2142@trnddc04>, temp4@tiglath.net mumbled > >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > the actual events. The fact that you can't quote me confusing the two must > be frustrating. You brought up the movie after you started getting beat about the heads and shoulder, again.
> The point made about the book referred CLEARLY to the movie. Not by me but > by your fellow idiot, Campbell, with whom you, and notoriously other, > concurred, and were soundly kicked in the a.s. > > An actual account of Usenet history is that you don't remember movies too > well.
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Tiglath - 15 May 2007 17:27 GMT >> > You should have quite when you though the things presented in movies >> > were actual accounts of history. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > You brought up the movie after you started getting beat about the heads > and shoulder, again. This goober STILL can't quote me doing what he claims I did.
Before you can bite me you'll have to get a brain or an attack dog better than Campbell.
Daryl Hunt - 15 May 2007 18:53 GMT > >> > You should have quite when you though the things presented in movies > >> > were actual accounts of history. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > Before you can bite me you'll have to get a brain or an attack dog better > than Campbell. They will just say it over and over until the most gullible actually believe it for truth. Campbell is more like the Taco Bell dog that has turned up missing. And you wondered what that new and improved seasoning was?
Mark Test - 13 May 2007 16:56 GMT > >> > Well-Stated -- Firm -- Yet Measured & Precise. > >> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > I get the impression that Pelosi is more popular in the US than Cheney. > So, where do you get your stats, eh? Congress's approval rating is less than the Presidents.
Mark
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Jamie H - 13 May 2007 21:41 GMT >That's more than most can stand of Pelosi (giving huge tax breaks to >her husband's corp), or Reid (making huge cash from Vegas land >deals and the mob)....but they're libs...so it's OK. Wrong, it's not OK. It's absolutely wrong and I wrote to Pelosi (in particular) when that occurred. Many Dems are very hard on their representatives.
And, no one's died from it. Bush/Cheney's bullshit has killed many.
Jamie
Mark Test - 15 May 2007 01:21 GMT > >That's more than most can stand of Pelosi (giving huge tax breaks to > >her husband's corp), or Reid (making huge cash from Vegas land [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > particular) when that occurred. Many Dems are very hard on their > representatives. Good for you. BUT has CNN given us 24/7 coverage on it? Has Mr. Matthews over at MSNBC called the Dems the party of corruption? Double standard is all I'm saying.
> And, no one's died from it. Bush/Cheney's bullshit has killed many. So has Islamists' bullshit....so sorry that Islamists choose to operate from Iraq....thus are continued presence there.
Mark
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Jamie H - 17 May 2007 03:37 GMT >Good for you. BUT has CNN given us 24/7 coverage on it? Has >Mr. Matthews over at MSNBC called the Dems the party of >corruption? Double standard is all I'm saying. Our media sucks. And, this particular GOP group seems very bad to me. I know I'm not alone. I read news from around the world and listen to many voices here in the US. I research and take little for granted.
And, I'm one of the few. But, I talk about it and try to get people to wake up and pay attention. They may not agree with me, but they need to wake up.
>> And, no one's died from it. Bush/Cheney's bullshit has killed many. >> >So has Islamists' bullshit....so sorry that Islamists choose to operate >from Iraq....thus are continued presence there. They weren't there until after we were.....
We need to go back to Afghanistan and finish what we started there. That's where Al-Q is and OBL.
We never should have gone into Iraq, IMHO.
Jamie
a.spencer3 - 17 May 2007 09:17 GMT > >Good for you. BUT has CNN given us 24/7 coverage on it? Has > >Mr. Matthews over at MSNBC called the Dems the party of [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Jamie Well, join this newsgroup's 5-year-old 'club'.
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Paul J Gans - 20 May 2007 03:38 GMT In soc.history.medieval a.spencer3 <a.spencer3@ntlworld.com> wrote:
>> >Good for you. BUT has CNN given us 24/7 coverage on it? Has >> >Mr. Matthews over at MSNBC called the Dems the party of [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] >> >> Jamie
>Well, join this newsgroup's 5-year-old 'club'. Yup. I love the bit above about how the Islamicists chose to operate from Iraq. Curious that there weren't any Islamicists in Iraq *before* the US invaded.
But, as you said, this is all old news. Though it is curious how little otherwise intelligent folks have understood about it all.
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The Highlander - 15 May 2007 17:40 GMT >>That's more than most can stand of Pelosi (giving huge tax breaks to >>her husband's corp), or Reid (making huge cash from Vegas land [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >Jamie A voice in the wilderness...
Wistful Bryn - 15 May 2007 18:51 GMT >>>That's more than most can stand of Pelosi (giving huge tax breaks to >>>her husband's corp), or Reid (making huge cash from Vegas land [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > >A voice in the wilderness... Crying "Make way, clear the way for the coming of the Lord!"
In Greek this means roll the rocks out of the way so that the wheels of his chariot don't get jarred, or something similar...
You will notice a certain time reversal effect..
There is a good reason for this...
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Cory Bhreckan - 15 May 2007 19:21 GMT >>>> That's more than most can stand of Pelosi (giving huge tax breaks to >>>> her husband's corp), or Reid (making huge cash from Vegas land [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > *#;-] Are you changing your nym to confuse us?
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Bryn Fraser - 15 May 2007 21:05 GMT >>>>> That's more than most can stand of Pelosi (giving huge tax breaks to >>>>> her husband's corp), or Reid (making huge cash from Vegas land [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Are you changing your nym to confuse us? Its my old PC... And software... It may be a simple battery problem... With the other... hopefully..
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Cory Bhreckan - 15 May 2007 21:22 GMT >>>>>> That's more than most can stand of Pelosi (giving huge tax breaks to >>>>>> her husband's corp), or Reid (making huge cash from Vegas land [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > Its my old PC... And software... It may be a simple battery problem... > With the other... hopefully.. Ah, I see.
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The Highlander - 15 May 2007 22:20 GMT >>>>That's more than most can stand of Pelosi (giving huge tax breaks to >>>>her husband's corp), or Reid (making huge cash from Vegas land [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >*#;-] Your house must be stacked with failed computer parts.
Bryn Fraser - 16 May 2007 08:01 GMT >>>>>That's more than most can stand of Pelosi (giving huge tax breaks to >>>>>her husband's corp), or Reid (making huge cash from Vegas land [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > >Your house must be stacked with failed computer parts. They may be useful someday..
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Jamie H - 17 May 2007 03:32 GMT >A voice in the wilderness... Thank you,
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Ray O'Hara - 13 May 2007 00:20 GMT > Well-Stated -- Firm -- Yet Measured & Precise. > [quoted text clipped - 108 lines] > Alissa J. Rubin contributed reporting from Baghdad, and Graham Bowley > contributed from New York. the invasion of iraq was the greatest impetus to get nukes any thrid world country could have. saddam wenmt down because he didn't have WMDs.
cheney is speaking for the benefit of american audiences. the iranians haven't threatened traffic in the gulf, they depend on it too. but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america will buy it.
Adam Whyte-Settlar - 14 May 2007 04:43 GMT > "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag
> but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america will buy > it. A few gullible idiots already have. Amazing when you consider it is almost word for word the same lies they used to attack Iraq. Bush apologists seem to be quite incapable of learning anything.
redc1c4 - 14 May 2007 04:58 GMT > > "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > to attack Iraq. > Bush apologists seem to be quite incapable of learning anything. "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998
"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998
"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here.For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear,chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998
"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser,Feb, 18, 1998
"[W]e urge you,after consulting with Congress,and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including,if appropriate,air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin,Tom Daschle,John Kerry and others Oct. 9, 1998
"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D,CA),Dec. 16, 1998
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999
"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001
"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandated of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002
"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002
"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002
"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002
"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002
"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002
"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity.This he has refused to do" - Rep.Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002
"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weap ons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear,however, that if left unchecked,Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002
"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002
"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator,leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003
redc1c4, you were saying..... %-)
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Cory Bhreckan - 14 May 2007 15:11 GMT >>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag >>> but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america will buy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> to attack Iraq. >> Bush apologists seem to be quite incapable of learning anything. <irrelevant crap snipped>
> redc1c4, > you were saying..... %-) While we're off the subject...
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* Republican Mayor Philip Giordano is serving a 37-year sentence in federal prison for sexually abusing 8- and 10-year old girls.
* Republican Mayor Tom Adams was arrested for distributing child pornography over the internet.
* Republican Mayor John Gosek was arrested on charges of soliciting sex from two 15-year old girls.
* Republican County Commissioner David Swartz pleaded guilty to molesting two girls under the age of 11 and was sentenced to 8 years in prison.
* Republican legislator Edison Misla Aldarondo was sentenced to 10 years in prison for raping his daughter between the ages of 9 and 17.
* Republican Committeeman John R. Curtain was charged with molesting a teenage boy and unlawful sexual contact with a minor.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Howard Scott Heldreth is a convicted child rapist in Florida.
* Republican zoning supervisor, Boy Scout leader and Lutheran church president Dennis L. Rader pleaded guilty to performing a sexual act on an 11-year old girl he murdered.
* Republican anti-abortion activist Nicholas Morency pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer and offering a bounty to anybody who murders an abortion doctor.
* Republican campaign consultant Tom Shortridge was sentenced to three years probation for taking nude photographs of a 15-year old girl.
* Republican racist pedophile and United States Senator Strom Thurmond had sex with a 15-year old black girl which produced a child.
* Republican pastor Mike Hintz, whom George W. Bush commended during the 2004 presidential campaign, surrendered to police after admitting to a sexual affair with a female juvenile.
* Republican legislator Peter Dibble pleaded no contest to having an inappropriate relationship with a 13-year-old girl.
* Republican advertising consultant Carey Lee Cramer was sentenced to six years in prison for molesting two 8-year old girls, one of whom appeared in an anti-Gore television commercial.
* Republican activist Lawrence E. King, Jr. organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican lobbyist Craig J. Spence organized child sex parties at the White House during the 1980s.
* Republican Congressman Donald "Buz" Lukens was found guilty of having sex with a female minor and sentenced to one month in jail.
* Republican fundraiser Richard A. Delgaudio was found guilty of child porn charges and paying two teenage girls to pose for sexual photos.
* Republican activist Mark A. Grethen convicted on six counts of sex crimes involving children.
* Republican campaign chairman Randal David Ankeney pleaded guilty to attempted sexual assault on a child and was arrested again five years later on the same charge.
* Republican Congressman Dan Crane had sex with a female minor working as a congressional page.
* Republican activist and Christian Coalition leader Beverly Russell admitted to an incestuous relationship with his step daughter.
* Republican Judge Ronald C. Kline was placed under house arrest for child molestation and possession of child pornography.
* Republican congressman and anti-gay activist Robert Bauman was charged with having sex with a 16-year-old boy he picked up at a gay bar.
* Republican Committee Chairman Jeffrey Patti was arrested for distributing a video clip of a 5-year-old girl being raped.
* Republican activist Marty Glickman (a.k.a. "Republican Marty"), was taken into custody by Florida police on four counts of unlawful sexual activity with an underage girl and one count of delivering the drug LSD.
* Republican legislative aide Howard L. Brooks was charged with molesting a 12-year old boy and possession of child pornography.
* Republican Senate candidate John Hathaway was accused of having sex with his 12-year old baby sitter and withdrew his candidacy after the allegations were reported in the media.
* Republican preacher Stephen White, who demanded a return to traditional values, was sentenced to jail after offering $20 to a 14-year-old boy for permission to perform oral sex on him.
* Republican talk show host Jon Matthews pleaded guilty to exposing his genitals to an 11 year old girl.
* Republican anti-gay activist Earl "Butch" Kimmerling was sentenced to 40 years in prison for molesting an 8-year old girl after he attempted to stop a gay couple from adopting her.
* Republican Party leader Paul Ingram pleaded guilty to six counts of raping his daughters and served 14 years in federal prison.
* Republican election board official Kevin Coan was sentenced to two years probation for soliciting sex over the internet from a 14-year old girl.
* Republican politician Andrew Buhr was charged with two counts of first degree sodomy with a 13-year old boy. * Republican legislator Keith Westmoreland was arrested on seven felony counts of lewd and lascivious exhibition to girls under the age of 16 (i.e. exposing himself to children).
* Republican anti-abortion activist John Allen Burt was found guilty of molesting a 15-year old girl.
* Republican County Councilman Keola Childs pleaded guilty to molesting a male child.
* Republican activist John Butler was charged with criminal sexual assault on a teenage girl.
* Republican candidate Richard Gardner admitted to molesting his two daughters.
* Republican Councilman and former Marine Jack W. Gardner was convicted of molesting a 13-year old girl.
* Republican County Commissioner Merrill Robert Barter pleaded guilty to unlawful sexual contact and assault on a teenage boy.
* Republican City Councilman Fred C. Smeltzer, Jr. pleaded no contest to raping a 15 year-old girl and served 6-months in prison.
* Republican activist Parker J. Bena pleaded guilty to possession of child pornography on his home computer and was sentenced to 30 months in federal prison and fined $18,000.
* Republican parole board officer and former Colorado state representative, Larry Jack Schwarz, was fired after child pornography was found in his possession.
* Republican strategist and Citadel Military College graduate Robin Vanderwall was convicted in Virginia on five counts of soliciting sex from boys and girls over the internet.
* Republican city councilman Mark Harris, who is described as a "good military man" and "church goer," was convicted of repeatedly having sex with an 11-year-old girl and sentenced to 12 years in prison.
* Republican businessman Jon Grunseth withdrew his candidacy for Minnesota governor after allegations surfaced that he went swimming in the nude with four underage girls, including his daughter.
* Republican campaign worker, police officer and self-proclaimed reverend Steve Aiken was convicted of having sex with two underage girls.
* Republican director of the "Young Republican Federation" Nicholas Elizondo molested his 6-year old daughter and was sentenced to six years in prison.
* Republican president of the New York City Housing Development Corp. Russell Harding pleaded guilty to possessing child pornography on his computer.
* Republican benefactor of conservative Christian groups, Richard A. Dasen Sr., was found guilty of raping a 15-year old girl. Dasen, 62, who is married with grown children and several grandchildren, has allegedly told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have sex with a large number of young women.
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La N - 14 May 2007 15:18 GMT >>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag >>>> but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america will buy [quoted text clipped - 226 lines] > told police that over the past decade he paid more than $1 million to have > sex with a large number of young women. <ouch> Now *that* was a tit-for-tat ... and then some ...%)
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William Black - 14 May 2007 17:25 GMT > <ouch> Now *that* was a tit-for-tat ... and then some ...%) I think there's an election coming.
Roll on November next year...
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Cory Bhreckan - 14 May 2007 17:45 GMT >> <ouch> Now *that* was a tit-for-tat ... and then some ...%) >> > I think there's an election coming. > > Roll on November next year... I wanted to make it clear that mystical power of copy/paste does not belong to redc1c4 alone. I keep that one around *just in case*.
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La N - 14 May 2007 19:39 GMT >> <ouch> Now *that* was a tit-for-tat ... and then some ...%) >> > I think there's an election coming. > > Roll on November next year... Dry drunk symdrome ... ;)
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redc1c4 - 14 May 2007 20:13 GMT > >>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag > >>> but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america will buy [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > While we're off the subject... the subject was "....the same lies they used to attack Iraq."
so i poasted some of your heroes making claims, and rather than refute that they did so, you drag out, to use your term, irrelevant crap.
obviously, you have no counter to my statement, but rather than educate yourself at the expense of your delusional world view, you would rather foam at the mouth.
redc1c4, thanks for playing: we have some lovely parting gifts for you.... %-)
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Cory Bhreckan - 14 May 2007 21:15 GMT >>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag >>>>> but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america will buy [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > the subject was "....the same lies they used to attack Iraq." "Re: In Gulf -- Vice President Cheney Warns Iran" is the subject line. But aside from that, see below.
> so i poasted some of your heroes making claims, What makes you think that they are my 'heroes' or that I worship in heroes? This speaks volumes about you.
> and rather than refute > that they did so, you drag out, to use your term, irrelevant crap. You seem to think that 9 year old 'quotes' somehow prove that Bush didn't lie. Very interesting.
BTW, from http://www.snopes.com/politics/war/wmdquotes.asp (Is that where you stole your 'post'?).
"However, some of the quotes are truncated, and context is provided for none of them — several of these quotes were offered in the course of statements that clearly indicated the speaker was decidedly against unilateral military intervention in Iraq by the U.S. Moreover, several of the quotes offered antedate the four nights of airstrikes unleashed against Iraq by U.S. and British forces during Operation Desert Fox in December 1998, after which Secretary of Defense William S. Cohen and Gen. Henry H. Shelton (chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff) announced the action had been successful in "degrad[ing] Saddam Hussein's ability to deliver chemical, biological and nuclear weapons."
> obviously, you have no counter to my statement, but rather than educate > yourself at the expense of your delusional world view, you would rather > foam at the mouth. No-one cares about what your ilk thinks anymore. You're irrelevant. The people of the United States as well as the people of the world *know* what liar your pathetic little hero is.
Go whine somewhere else.
> redc1c4, > thanks for playing: You're welcome, better luck next time.
> we have some lovely parting gifts for you.... %-) Are you leaving? Have a nice day :)
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Adam Whyte-Settlar - 15 May 2007 02:12 GMT >>>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag >>>>>> but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america will [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >>>> you were saying..... %-) >>> While we're off the subject...
> You seem to think that 9 year old 'quotes' somehow prove that Bush didn't > lie. Very interesting. It's the retards last stand. They don't even realise that no rational person gives a monkey's fart what they 'think' anyway.
redc1c4 - 15 May 2007 05:48 GMT > >>>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag > >>>>>> but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america will [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > They don't even realise that no rational person gives a monkey's fart what > they 'think' anyway. i'll type slowly so y'all can keep up:
you claim is "Bush lied", with no foundation or proof, just bloody minded repitition, hoping no one will notice the lack of support.
i simply point out that your heroes made essentially the same claims, in the same time frame, based on the same data,
if Bush lied, so did all your heroes and you should add them to the list of 3vi1do3rs.........
either that or admit that you're full of sh.t and hypocrites, which the rest of us already know to be true.
your other option is to continue to trot out your tired and overw*rked one trick pony every so often, at which point in time myself, or someone else, will take a few seconds to slap you down like the Usenet piñata you are.
redc1c4, your call either way, Spanky. %-)
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D. Spencer Hines - 15 May 2007 06:22 GMT BINGO!
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> i'll type slowly so y'all can keep up: > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > someone else, will take a few seconds to slap you down like the Usenet > piñata you are. Cory Bhreckan - 15 May 2007 14:36 GMT >>>>>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag >>>>>>>> but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america will [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > i'll type slowly so y'all can keep up: Good idea, it's a mistake to type faster than you can think.
> you claim is "Bush lied", with no foundation or proof, just bloody > minded repitition, hoping no one will notice the lack of support. That and the lack of WMDs or links between Al Qaeda and Saddam.
> i simply point out that your heroes made essentially the same claims, in > the same time frame, based on the same data, Who said that these so called 'heroes' *didn't* lie? The point is *nobody cares* what you shrill little cretins screech. All you can do is point your fingers and whine 'but Clinton did it' as if anyone gave a toss. You 17 percenters are truly pathetic, entertaining though. :)
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Mark Test - 17 May 2007 02:43 GMT > > i'll type slowly so y'all can keep up: > > Good idea, it's a mistake to type faster than you can think. Well, he's thinking, you're repeating garbage.
> > you claim is "Bush lied", with no foundation or proof, just bloody > > minded repitition, hoping no one will notice the lack of support. > > That and the lack of WMDs or links between Al Qaeda and Saddam. Well, Hillary was one of many that said this:
".....from October 10, 2002: "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members...."
So, attack her....Hillary lied...should be your mantra.
> > i simply point out that your heroes made essentially the same claims, in > > the same time frame, based on the same data, [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > is point your fingers and whine 'but Clinton did it' as if anyone gave a > toss. You 17 percenters are truly pathetic, entertaining though. :) Nothing hidden......yet you ignore the truth.....pathetic.
Mark
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Cory Bhreckan - 17 May 2007 19:47 GMT >>> i'll type slowly so y'all can keep up: >> Good idea, it's a mistake to type faster than you can think. >> > Well, he's thinking, you're repeating garbage. You call that 'thinking'? And speaking of repeating garbage, what do I spy below? Is it another 'but Clinton did it'? You guys sure are predictable, you can't defend your drunken hero so you attack a junior senator.
>>> you claim is "Bush lied", with no foundation or proof, just bloody >>> minded repitition, hoping no one will notice the lack of support. >> That and the lack of WMDs or links between Al Qaeda and Saddam. >> > Well, Hillary was one of many that said this: There you go again :)
> ".....from October 10, 2002: "In the four years > since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > So, attack her....Hillary lied...should be your mantra. You seem to have a bit of a reading comprehension problem here, you seem to have missed the part that says 'intelligence reports show'. Where did those 'intelligence reports' come from? Did she lie about the intelligence reports? Can you prove this? Aside from all that, even if she did lie, why should I attack the junior senator from New York? Did *she* start war? You parrot talking points without even understanding them, no wonder you guys can't win elections anymore.
>>> i simply point out that your heroes made essentially the same claims, in >>> the same time frame, based on the same data, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> > Nothing hidden......yet you ignore the truth.....pathetic. What truth? That you guys are a tiny minority so busy whining about Clinton that the rest of the country think you're a bunch of idiots? No wonder they kicked you losers to the curb last November. To funny :)
> Mark
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La N - 17 May 2007 20:05 GMT > > What truth? That you guys are a tiny minority so busy whining about > Clinton that the rest of the country think you're a bunch of idiots? No > wonder they kicked you losers to the curb last November. To funny :) I can hardly bear to read Bush supporters anymore. I feel at various times either sorry for them or embarrassed for them. And they are becoming as rare as the Stellar sea cow.
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Cory Bhreckan - 17 May 2007 21:59 GMT >> > What truth? That you guys are a tiny minority so busy whining about >> Clinton that the rest of the country think you're a bunch of idiots? No [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > either sorry for them or embarrassed for them. And they are becoming as > rare as the Stellar sea cow. The 17 percenters would even support Bush if he was caught on television molesting children and cutting the heads off puppies. They would just whine something about Clinton's penis.
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Jamie H - 20 May 2007 23:30 GMT >I can hardly bear to read Bush supporters anymore. I feel at various times >either sorry for them or embarrassed for them. And they are becoming as >rare as the Stellar sea cow. > >- nilita Same here. Unfortunately, there's still quite a few in the Phoenix area. It's really tiring.
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Mark Test - 20 May 2007 18:42 GMT > >>> i'll type slowly so y'all can keep up: > >> Good idea, it's a mistake to type faster than you can think. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > predictable, you can't defend your drunken hero so you attack a junior > senator. How did I attack the world's smartest woman?
> >>> you claim is "Bush lied", with no foundation or proof, just bloody > >>> minded repitition, hoping no one will notice the lack of support. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > There you go again :) Posting a quote by the world's smartest woman (again) yes, how dare I....
> > ".....from October 10, 2002: "In the four years > > since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > *she* start war? You parrot talking points without even understanding > them, no wonder you guys can't win elections anymore. She read the same intel as the President....came to the same conclusion he did. Stop calling her a junior Senator. She is the world's smartest woman...she deserves more respect than you are giving her.
> >>> i simply point out that your heroes made essentially the same claims, in > >>> the same time frame, based on the same data, [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > Clinton that the rest of the country think you're a bunch of idiots? No > wonder they kicked you losers to the curb last November. To funny :) What's even more funny...is the Senate rejection of the pull outta Iraq bill....by like 67-29.....
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Cory Bhreckan - 20 May 2007 22:41 GMT >>>>> i'll type slowly so y'all can keep up: >>>> Good idea, it's a mistake to type faster than you can think. [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> > She read the same intel as the President.... That lie was discredited long ago.
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Tiglath - 20 May 2007 23:11 GMT > She read the same intel as the President.... And Mark Test repeats the same canard, in case someone has not noticed his stupidity.
According to Mark Test, Hillary Clinton gets a copy of the president daily intelligence brief, folks.
It means that this is not even a conversation.
Jamie H - 20 May 2007 22:04 GMT >So, attack her....Hillary lied...should be your mantra. Hilary did lie and will not admit a mistake.
This makes her quite unpopular with many progressives.
She will not have my primary vote.
Jamie
La N - 20 May 2007 22:12 GMT >>So, attack her....Hillary lied...should be your mantra. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > She will not have my primary vote. I heard a few soundbites from the recent Republican debates and the brouhaha over Rep. Ron Paul who fed Giuliani the opportunity to sway away from the abortion issue. Anyway, evidently the Republicans want Mr. Paul to go away and not associate with their Party. However, in an interview this morning on CNN, he defended himself by stating many different ways he's more Republican than the current flock o' Repubs. And he made some good points, including the fact that historically it was the Democrats who took people to war and the Republicans were known as the peacemakers, pulling out of unpopular wars. Also, he believes in fiscal responsibility, taking care of one's own citizens rather than getting involved in other countries skirmishes, etc., all evidently issues that were supposed to be Republican values.
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Jamie H - 24 May 2007 01:53 GMT >I heard a few soundbites from the recent Republican debates and the brouhaha >over Rep. Ron Paul who fed Giuliani the opportunity to sway away from the [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >skirmishes, etc., all evidently issues that were supposed to be Republican >values. Paul does seem to be an Old Guard GOP member, which is better than this crowd. And, I love that he's getting under the fingernails of the GOP.
He's too libertarian for me.
Jamie
Fred J. McCall - 20 May 2007 23:38 GMT :>So, attack her....Hillary lied...should be your mantra. : [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] : :She will not have my primary vote. And if she wins the primary, then what?
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Jamie H - 24 May 2007 01:51 GMT >:Hilary did lie and will not admit a mistake. >: [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > >And if she wins the primary, then what? I will vote for her because I believe that the GOP is much much much more dangerous than the Dems.
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Fred J. McCall - 24 May 2007 15:10 GMT :>:Hilary did lie and will not admit a mistake. :>: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :I will vote for her because I believe that the GOP is much much much :more dangerous than the Dems. In other words, lying is fine with you as long as you agree?
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Jamie H - 25 May 2007 04:08 GMT >In other words, lying is fine with you as long as you agree? Of course not. It's just not a black & white world. There's many shades of grey.
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Adam Whyte-Settlar - 21 May 2007 02:25 GMT >>So, attack her....Hillary lied...should be your mantra. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > She will not have my primary vote. According to some yanks I saw being button-holed in the street by reporters last week, Barack Obama blew up the Trade Towers. If that's true from either angle maybe you should stick with the lying bitch after all.
Jamie H - 24 May 2007 01:54 GMT >According to some yanks I saw being button-holed in the street by reporters >last week, Barack Obama blew up the Trade Towers. >If that's true from either angle maybe you should stick with the lying bitch >after all. HUH??? Wow. Racists?
We all know that the Bushies/Saudis/Zionists blew up the towers.
Whichever Dem gets the primary vote will be my candidate from that point on. I have never voted GOP and never will.
Jamie
The Highlander - 15 May 2007 17:36 GMT >> >>>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag >> >>>>>> but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america will [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >you claim is "Bush lied", with no foundation or proof, just bloody >minded repitition, hoping no one will notice the lack of support. The fact that Bush lied is a matter of record. He admitted it himself in an inadvertent aside during a press crush in the Rose Garden.
>i simply point out that your heroes made essentially the same claims, in >the same time frame, based on the same data, [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >someone else, will take a few seconds to slap you down like the Usenet >piñata you are. My God, Adam, he's gone all Mexican on you!
Does "3vi1do3rs" have some special significance? Another of those loony religious codes Americans are so addicted to? The Kabbala or whatever... There's more agenda here than I can cope with.
>redc1c4, >your call either way, Spanky. %-) Spanky! Another popular Republican activity surfaces.
Cory Bhreckan - 15 May 2007 17:58 GMT >>>>>>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag >>>>>>>>> but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america will [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > Does "3vi1do3rs" have some special significance? Another of those > loony religious codes Americans are so addicted to? Hey! Keep my loony religious codes out of this!
> The Kabbala or > whatever... There's more agenda here than I can cope with. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Spanky! Another popular Republican activity surfaces.
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Adam Whyte-Settlar - 16 May 2007 04:49 GMT >>> >>>>>> "D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in messag >>> >>>>>> but the neo-conmen think if they keep making the claim america [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >>> >>>>> to attack Iraq. >>> >>>>> Bush apologists seem to be quite incapable of learning anything.
>>you claim is "Bush lied", with no foundation or proof, just bloody >>minded repitition, hoping no one will notice the lack of support. Bwahahahahaha! 'No proof' - Hilarious.
> The fact that Bush lied is a matter of record. He admitted it himself > in an inadvertent aside during a press crush in the Rose Garden. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > My God, Adam, he's gone all Mexican on you! That's a bit of an insult to the Mexicans. And as for "trotting out an overworked pony". The irony is almost unbearable. For almost four yeats the retards havn't been able to pass a dead horse without stopping to give it yet another good thrashing for good measure
I've long since killfiled the gullible fool but I presume 'my heroes' must be some of the Democrats? Like they are somehow different to the Republicans when it comes to lying. The totally flawed 'logic' of saying the Democrats lied but Bush didn't when they are saying almost the same thing is glaringly obvious. Amusing when it's perfectly clear they are all gutless yes-men and essentially all part of the same corrupt regime. It's easy to tell if *any* member of the US 'government' cartel is telling the truth or not. You just have to hold a stethoscope to their chests and if you can hear a heart-beat - they're lying. I do find it amazing that the last remaining retards *still* deny that Bush lied in spite of the incontrovertable evidence and the fact that he admitted it himself. What is *wrong* with these morons? When asked on TV what Saddam had to do with 9/11 Bush replied "Nothing". But still his deluded apologists hang desperately to their ridiculous thread that Nasty Saddam demolished their towers.
The whole civilised world knows Bush lied - the 17%ers should get over it.
Incidentily I see yet another 'hero' neo-con architect of the attack is in some sort of court already. Putting him in charge of the World Bank was like putting an arsonist in charge of a munitions dump - as I said at the time. No doubt that - true to form - Bush and his apologists will be backing him all the way saying there is 'no proof' that he's a devious war-mongering bastard (despite the published PNAC records) and a fraud.
Tiglath - 15 May 2007 20:11 GMT > you claim is "Bush lied", with no foundation or proof, just bloody > minded repitition, hoping no one will notice the lack of support. Such stupidity.
Bush lied, repeatedly.
He assured us he had a "strategy for victory."
There is no victory.
Cheney lied, repeately.
He told us that the insurgency was in its last throes.
The insurgency is growing from strength to strength.
They told us that they were absolutely certain Saddam had WMD that posed a mortal thread to us and our friends.
They lied. They were serious doubts about that, and they were told so.
Bush keeps telling us that Maliki is the right man for the job, when Maliki can't even rule in his own office.
That's lying of the worse kind.
But even worse is lying about their lies, as you do.
Mark Test - 17 May 2007 02:56 GMT > > you claim is "Bush lied", with no foundation or proof, just bloody > > minded repitition, hoping no one will notice the lack of support. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > There is no victory. Progress is being made daily.
> Cheney lied, repeately. > > He told us that the insurgency was in its last throes. Only one city, Baghdad, is not under control, the rest of the country is fairing well.
> The insurgency is growing from strength to strength. While we take out more and more of their leadership, they will weaken. Couple that with a strong economy, it will be harder for the terrorists to recruit.
> They told us that they were absolutely certain Saddam had WMD that posed a > mortal thread to us and our friends. Yes they did. Hillary and every other Democrat said so.
> They lied. They were serious doubts about that, and they were told so. Come on. We gave Saddam WMDs. He used them against Iran...circa 1980-1988... And then, against the Kurds.
> Bush keeps telling us that Maliki is the right man for the job, when Maliki > can't even rule in his own office. Verdict is still out on him.
> That's lying of the worse kind. Yeah, how dare we back our friends.
> But even worse is lying about their lies, as you do. Well, that's the pot calling the kettle black.
Mark
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Tiglath - 18 May 2007 01:09 GMT >> > you claim is "Bush lied", with no foundation or proof, just bloody >> > minded repitition, hoping no one will notice the lack of support. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] >> > Progress is being made daily. Hmmmm. Cheney has company...
What progress?
Iraq is a mess and its government doesn't control a single province.
>> Cheney lied, repeately. >> >> He told us that the insurgency was in its last throes. >> > Only one city, Baghdad, is not under control, the rest of > the country is fairing well. A profoundly factually inaccurate statement, from someone inebriated with the White House kool-aid.
>> The insurgency is growing from strength to strength. >> > While we take out more and more of their leadership, they will > weaken. Couple that with a strong economy, it will be harder > for the terrorists to recruit. None of which is actually happening, other than in your wishful thinking.
Learn to distinguish between your hopes and reality.
>> They told us that they were absolutely certain Saddam had WMD that posed >> a >> mortal thread to us and our friends. >> > Yes they did. Hillary and every other Democrat said so. Many chose to believe the White House, THE SOURCE of the information. Now they are sorry.
>> They lied. They were serious doubts about that, and they were told so. >> > Come on. We gave Saddam WMDs. He used them against Iran...circa > 1980-1988... > And then, against the Kurds. Years pass, weapons shell life expire, intelligence gets rancid. Before you go to war one has THE OBLIGATION to corroborate assumptions, especially when based on old knowledge. It is immoral not to do so.
>> Bush keeps telling us that Maliki is the right man for the job, when > Maliki >> can't even rule in his own office. >> > Verdict is still out on him. Maybe for you. The less credulous know a duck when he waddles.
>> That's lying of the worse kind. >> > Yeah, how dare we back our friends. Friends? Why should the Iraqis be our friends over any other people? What's so especial about them?
There isn't even an Iraqi Lobby in Washingto, or and Iraqi vote in the U.S. to justify our politicians' attention, never mind the attention of The People.
Mark Test - 20 May 2007 18:11 GMT > >> > you claim is "Bush lied", with no foundation or proof, just bloody > >> > minded repitition, hoping no one will notice the lack of support. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > A profoundly factually inaccurate statement, from someone inebriated with > the White House kool-aid. Read the following article...caution, it contains facts and real data....not opinion:
http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?reportid=64493
> >> The insurgency is growing from strength to strength. > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > None of which is actually happening, other than in your wishful thinking. Oil production is up to pre-war levels, and rising...unemployment is down....and the people are free.
> Learn to distinguish between your hopes and reality. I do, and I have hope, vice your despair.
> >> They told us that they were absolutely certain Saddam had WMD that posed > >> a [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > Many chose to believe the White House, THE SOURCE of the information. Now > they are sorry. ROFLMFAO! Senators are briefed the SAME (actually better) info than the white house. Who's sippin' the kool-aid now? I mean what kinda government would we have if our congress relied on the word of 1 man? Come on man!
We have 3 branches that our independent of each other....if Hillary wants to puss out and say she was lied to....she can....but she's the one telling the lie.
'If' Bush lied...why hasn't he been impeached? Or why hasn't the Dem led congress stopped the war funding? Answer: He didn't lie.
> >> They lied. They were serious doubts about that, and they were told so. > >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > you go to war one has THE OBLIGATION to corroborate assumptions, especially > when based on old knowledge. It is immoral |
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