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A 'Minature Castle' hidden on Dover's Cliffs

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John Latter - 13 Jun 2007 08:57 GMT
In the early part of the 19th Century two brothers, Stephen and Rogers
Court of Snargate Street, Dover, built a folly in the shape of a
miniature castle on the cliffs below the Western Heights. Very, very
few local people know of the building and even less have visited it.
The following contains a link to some of the first photos [1] of the
folly to be published on the internet.

For much of its history the miniature castle has been neglected and
its ruins are now hidden behind trees and other undergrowth which
cover this part of the cliff-face. Access to the site is 'difficult'.

A Dover Museum webpage on 'Court's the Wine Merchants' [2] states:

"As well as leasing the shop and premises [on Snargate Street] from
Dover Harbour Board, the Courts' leased 2 plots of land behind, from
Thomas Rutley and Thomas Papillon. On this land Stephen and Rogers
built terracing for vines, tea gardens, 2 summerhouses, and dug an
extensive network of vaults into the cliffs behind, with plastered and
painted walls and chalk carvings. The terracing up the cliffs was laid
out as gardens, growing the different varieties of grapes that the
wines they sold were made from, and also other exotic fruit such as
figs and dates. A summerhouse was built at the top of the terracing
and further along the cliff-face they built a folly in the shape of
Dover Castle silhouetted against the sky. These became tourist
attractions and customers could taste-test products sitting on the
terracing and have tours of the vaults."

A video slideshow, titled "Dover's 'Other Castle': The Court's Folly",
contains nearly 80 photos of the folly and its immediate surroundings.
It's available on both Google [3] and YouTube [4] with YouTube giving
the better picture.

I'll be adding subtitles soon (the maggots in the underground cistern
speak for themselves - just be thankful you can't see them moving) and
will replace the slideshow with a 'proper' video in the near future.

The slideshow is pretty basic (my first attempt), I spent ages adding
video effects only to find neither Google or YouTube like .wmv files -
or my version of them, anyway.

If you can't be bothered with the video, then 'static' photos of the
video can be seen at the first reference below.

John Latter / Jorolat

[1] Images of the Court's Folly/Miniature Castle
http://www.panoramio.com/user/250345/tags/Folly

[2] Court's The Wine Merchants
http://www.dover.gov.uk/museum/resource/articles/courts.asp

[3] Google Video Link
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6226422589816503125

[4] YouTube Video Link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7F8coK81Gfw

The 'Images of Dover' website:
http://www.panoramio.com/user/250345
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Images of Dover, UK
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Ray O'Hara - 13 Jun 2007 13:52 GMT
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nice pictures,
John Latter - 19 Jun 2007 05:55 GMT
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>nice pictures,

Thank you, Mary - glad you like them!
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Images of Dover, UK
http://www.panoramio.com/user/250345

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http://members.aol.com/jorolat/TEM.html

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http://evomech.blogspot.com/

D. Spencer Hines - 13 Jun 2007 19:09 GMT
Is any thought being given to opening it up to the public again?

DSH

> In the early part of the 19th Century two brothers, Stephen and Rogers
> Court of Snargate Street, Dover, built a folly in the shape of a
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> The 'Images of Dover' website:
> http://www.panoramio.com/user/250345
Frogwatch - 13 Jun 2007 19:44 GMT
> Is any thought being given to opening it up to the public again?
>
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
> > Evolution Research Blog:
> >http://evomech.blogspot.com/

One of the strangest things I ever saw was in the jungle between the
towns of Xilitla and the village of Tlamaya in the state of San Luis
Potosi in central Mexico.  An eccentric englishman had paid the locals
sometime in the 20s to build an elaborate stone construction covering
a large area.  It has weird stone stairways to nowhere, odd round
gates, lengthy stone walls and enclosures and many, many rooms with no
roofs.  There are numerous chinese-looking stone laterns.  It is built
into a limestone ravine around a rushing stream and has been nearly
covered by jungle.  The locals who showed it to us had no idea why he
had it built but it looked as if it was intended to be a "ruin".
erilar - 14 Jun 2007 16:43 GMT
Since I don't recall the original posting in shm, I'm guessing the OP is
in one of the groups our troll crossposted to and have left reasonable
alternatives in.  Note TO original poster: This really is fascinating
and I also admire your hosting site. Very nice setup.

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Jorolat - 19 Jun 2007 05:52 GMT
> Since I don't recall the original posting in shm, I'm guessing the OP is
> in one of the groups our troll crossposted to and have left reasonable
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> http://www.airstreamcomm.net/~erilarlo

Thank you, Mary :)

I don't know how my post ended up in shm - not that I'm complaining!

John Latter
Jorolat - 19 Jun 2007 05:41 GMT
> > Is any thought being given to opening it up to the public again?
>
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> covered by jungle.  The locals who showed it to us had no idea why he
> had it built but it looked as if it was intended to be a "ruin".

It would be interesting to see some photos of the place - and to know
what was going through the chap's mind when he built it!

John Latter

The Grand Shaft of Dover
http://www.panoramio.com/user/250345/tags/Grand%20Shaft
Jorolat - 19 Jun 2007 05:38 GMT
Not that I'm aware of, Ray. Unlike many of the other ruins on Dover's
Western Heights, however, it is at least growing old gracefully. The
folly's location is such that up to now it is still a grafitti-free
zone.

John Latter

The underground tunnels of the North Centre Bastion
http://www.panoramio.com/user/250345/tags/North%20Center%20Bastion

> Is any thought being given to opening it up to the public again?
>
[quoted text clipped - 71 lines]
> > Evolution Research Blog:
> >http://evomech.blogspot.com/
 
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