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Why is Queen Philippa on a list of black Britons?

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Doug Weller - 23 Dec 2003 22:50 GMT
There was a list of famous black Britons in a newspaper today and her name
was on it.  Why is this? She certainly doesn't look black here:
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/9329/woman7.html

and I don't think Belgium is in Africa, so?

Doug
a.spencer3 - 24 Dec 2003 08:23 GMT
>> and I don't think Belgium is in Africa, so?

Sarf of 'Astings though, innit.

Surreyman
John Dean - 24 Dec 2003 15:44 GMT
>>> and I don't think Belgium is in Africa, so?
>>
> Sarf of 'Astings though, innit.
>
> Surreyman

Not entirely. Some of it is North of Maidstone.
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Pete Barrett - 24 Dec 2003 20:43 GMT
>There was a list of famous black Britons in a newspaper today and her name
>was on it.  Why is this? She certainly doesn't look black here:
>http://www.geocities.com/Athens/Styx/9329/woman7.html

From Bishop Stapleton's report to Edward II:
"... she is brown of skin all over, and much like her father ..."
so there's contemporary testimony to her being noticeably dark.
Exactly how dark brown is is questionable, though - she was of Iberian
descent, so may have Moorish ancestry, but Moors aren't really *black*
by any normal standards.

I would guess that the real reason is that someone wanted to come up
with as long a list of black Britons as possible, and shoehorned
everyone they could in. The same reasoning which makes people claim
Hannibal and Cleopatra as black.

Pete Barrett
Clive Summerfield - 24 Dec 2003 23:45 GMT
> >There was a list of famous black Britons in a newspaper today and her name
> >was on it.  Why is this? She certainly doesn't look black here:
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> everyone they could in. The same reasoning which makes people claim
> Hannibal and Cleopatra as black.

Shades of this thread from last year...

http://tinyurl.com/3hzvr

Season's best to one and all
Cheers
Clive
Don Aitken - 25 Dec 2003 01:17 GMT
>>There was a list of famous black Britons in a newspaper today and her name
>>was on it.  Why is this? She certainly doesn't look black here:
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>everyone they could in. The same reasoning which makes people claim
>Hannibal and Cleopatra as black.

I'm surprised they don't go for Charles II: "a black man above two
yards high".

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Iain W - 26 Dec 2003 19:42 GMT
> >>There was a list of famous black Britons in a newspaper today and her name
> >>was on it.  Why is this? She certainly doesn't look black here:
[quoted text clipped - 14 lines]
> I'm surprised they don't go for Charles II: "a black man above two
> yards high".

Nothing to do with her being the mother of the Black Prince then?
Sheila J - 26 Dec 2003 20:14 GMT
>>>>There was a list of famous black Britons in a newspaper today and her
>
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>
> Nothing to do with her being the mother of the Black Prince then?

They couldn't have been that stupid, could they? Gosh, I shudder to
think about it...

The Black Prince being my hero, and all....

Cheers,
Sheila
 
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