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FBI Proposes Building Network Of U.S. Informants

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D. Spencer Hines - 25 Jul 2007 20:30 GMT
Excellent!

Post lots of them in our Universities, on the Internet, in Watering Holes
and at Airports and other Transportation Centers....

As well as in/at selected Key Locations.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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FBI Proposes Building Network of U.S. Informants

July 25, 2007
ABC NEWS

Justin Rood Reports:

The FBI is taking cues from the CIA to recruit thousands of covert
informants in the United States as part of a sprawling effort to boost its
intelligence capabilities.

According to a recent unclassified report to Congress, the FBI expects its
informants to provide secrets about possible terrorists and foreign spies,
although some may also be expected to aid with criminal investigations, in
the tradition of law enforcement confidential informants. The FBI did not
respond to requests for comment on this story.

The FBI said the push was driven by a 2004 directive from President Bush
ordering the bureau to improve its counterterrorism efforts by boosting its
human intelligence capabilities.

The aggressive push for more secret informants appears to be part of a new
effort to grow its intelligence and counterterrorism efforts. Other recent
proposals include expanding its collection and analysis of data on U.S.
persons, retaining years' worth of Americans' phone records and even
increasing so-called "black bag" secret entry operations.

Excellent! -- DSH

To handle the increase in so-called human sources, the FBI also plans to
overhaul its database system, so it can manage records and verify the
accuracy of information from "more than 15,000" informants, according to the
document. While many of the recruited informants will apparently be U.S.
residents, some informants may be overseas, recruited by FBI agents in
foreign offices, the report indicates.

The total cost of the effort tops $22 million, according to the document.

A drop in the bucket.  Give the FBI far more funding for these important
HUMINT efforts -- AS the programs mature and can absorb, control and
administer the funds properly. -- DSH

The bureau has arranged to use elements of CIA training to teach FBI agents
about "Source Targeting and Development," the report states. The courses
will train FBI special agents on the "comprehensive tradecraft" needed to
identify, recruit and manage these "confidential human sources." According
to January testimony by FBI Deputy Director John S. Pistole, the CIA has
been working with the bureau on the course.

Excellent!  Yes, the CIA and some select elements in the Defense and Armed
Service Intelligence & Cryptologic Agencies are best qualified to do
that. -- DSH

The bureau apparently mulled whether to adopt entire training courses from
the CIA or from the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA), which like the CIA
recruits spies overseas. But the FBI ultimately determined "the courses
offered by those agencies would not meet the needs of the FBI's unique law
enforcement." The FBI report said it would also give agents "legal and
policy" training, noting that its domestic intelligence efforts are
"constitutionally sensitive."

"It's probably a good sign they are not adopting CIA recruitment techniques
wholesale," said Steven Aftergood of the Federation of American Scientists,
an expert on classified programs.  U.S. intelligence officers abroad can use
bribery, extortion, and other patently illegal acts to corral sources into
working for them, Aftergood noted. "You're not supposed to do that in the
United States," he said.
Tiglath - 25 Jul 2007 21:13 GMT
> Excellent!
>
> Post lots of them in our Universities, on the Internet, in Watering Holes
> and at Airports and other Transportation Centers....

They didn't do ALL THAT YET?

"The FBI plans on using real bullets in their firearms."

Excellent!
William Black - 25 Jul 2007 21:57 GMT
> The FBI is taking cues from the CIA to recruit thousands of covert
> informants in the United States as part of a sprawling effort to boost its
> intelligence capabilities.

Good grief.

Do you mean that the major counter intelligence and counter terrorism agency
in the United States doesn't maintain a network of paid informants.

How quaint.

They'll be saying "Gentlemen do not read each other's mail" next...

Signature

William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

D. Spencer Hines - 25 Jul 2007 22:28 GMT
That quotation is often attributed to a Yale man, Class of 1888 -- but the
evidence is slim as to whether he actually said it with the intent often
read into it by the poguenoscenti.  <G>

As far as I'm concerned, gentleman should damn well read whatever they can
get their hands on.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Britannicus Traductus Sum

> They'll be saying "Gentlemen do not read each other's mail" next...
William Black - 25 Jul 2007 22:40 GMT
> That quotation is often attributed to a Yale man, Class of 1888 -- but the
> evidence is slim as to whether he actually said it with the intent often
> read into it by the poguenoscenti.  <G>

Stimson certainly said it,  and said it just after he'd sacked Yardley.

> As far as I'm concerned, gentleman should damn well read whatever they can
> get their hands on.

But it's reasonably obvious that you're no more 'a gentleman' than I am.

Mind you,  I know it...

Signature

William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

D. Spencer Hines - 26 Jul 2007 00:05 GMT
Black The Red needs to:

PROVE:

1.  Henry Stimson said it, as Black previously quoted the assertion --  
"Gentlemen do not read each other's mail".

2.  Stimson meant the American Federal Government should NOT have a "Black
Chamber" "reading other people's mail".

3.  The Burden of Proof is on Black The Red.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Britannicus Traductus Sum
-------------------------------------------------------

>> That quotation is often attributed to a Yale man, Class of 1888 -- but
>> the evidence is slim as to whether he actually said it with the intent
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>> As far as I'm concerned, gentleman should damn well read whatever they
>> can get their hands on.
J Antero - 25 Jul 2007 22:20 GMT
More and more reasons the Republican party is going to get badly beaten.

Bush morons are destroying the Republican party, and are giving leftist
feminists lots of comparative credibility.

*In January 2003, two months before the invasion of Iraq, Bush had not yet
heard of the Sunni-Shia divide within Islam, (Ambassador Peter Galbraith).*

*When asked a few years ago whether he had consulted his father before going
to war against Iraq, Bush replied: "You know he is the wrong father to
appeal to in terms of strength. There is a higher father that I appeal to."
In other words, he thinks he can receive superior advice on international
policy and war, from supernatural beings.*

"The fact that he relies on facts --" says things that are not factual --"
are going to undermine his campaign." --George W. Bush on Al Gore, New York
Times, March 4, 2000

"I was raised in the West. The West of Texas. It's pretty close to
California. In more ways than Washington, D.C., is close to
California." -George W. Bush, in Los Angeles as quoted by the Los Angeles
Times, April 8, 2000

"I don't have to accept their tenants. I was trying to convince those
college students to accept my tenants. And I reject any labeling me because
I happened to go to the university." --George W. Bush, Today, Feb. 23, 2000

"I understand small business growth. I was one." --George W. Bush, New York
Daily News, Feb. 19, 2000

"The senator has got to understand if he's going to have --" he can't have
it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low
road." --George W. Bush, on Sen. John McCain, speaking to reporters in
Florence, S.C., Feb. 17, 2000
Tiglath - 26 Jul 2007 17:45 GMT
> "The senator has got to understand if he's going to have --" he can't have
> it both ways. He can't take the high horse and then claim the low
> road." --George W. Bush, on Sen. John McCain, speaking to reporters in
> Florence, S.C., Feb. 17, 2000

Numbnuts is taking on Congress now.   "Bring them on."

That should be fun.

The cleaning lady he tried to appoint to the Supreme Court has been
subpoenaed and told Congress "Go shave your balls, old farts."   Or
the equivalent.  That should be fun.

The Senate is looking into Gonzalez's probable perjury.   That should
be fun too.

If you think that the bush administration will find it hard to do
something for an encore, after heckuva-job-Brownie and other delights
it has given the nation, you are wrong.

Bush administration appointee to the Advisory Committee for
Reproductive Health Drugs in the Food and Drug Administration (FDA),
Dr. W. David Hager, a prominent obstetrician-gynecologist and
Christian fundamentalist, who wrote books like "Stress and the Woman's
Body and As Jesus Cared for Women," tops it all.

Dr. Hager rabidly shares  the Fundamentalist's sexual mores if you
listen to his speeches, but after his wife of more than 30 years
divorced him, it surfaced that for years, Dr. Hager had been raping
her anally during her sleep.  She was narcoleptic, though he raped her
while awake at times as well.

She has stated: "I probably wouldn't have objected so much, or felt it
was so abusive if he had just wanted normal sex all the time. But it
was the painful, invasive, totally non-consensual nature of the anal
sex that was so horrible."

The woman just had enough of waking up with a sore butt, and from a
Christian Right sodomite of all people... addicted to non-procreative
acts.

Dr. Hager doesn't deny the charge, and he can explain it.  "I
missed,"  he says.

Yes folks, the Bush administration has managed to find -- and hire --
the only eminent gynecologist who can't find his wife's pussy.

Top that.
J Antero - 26 Jul 2007 22:11 GMT
>> "The senator has got to understand if he's going to have --" he can't
>> have
[quoted text clipped - 28 lines]
> her anally during her sleep.  She was narcoleptic, though he raped her
> while awake at times as well.

Jesus H. Christ, what a perv.   Do you have a link to a story about this?

Sexual perverts, faggots, jesus braindeads, all "led" by a mental defective
drug abuser who can't even speak a cogent sentence.

When it comes to Bush and his scum bunch, you just couldn't make it up if
you were writing fiction - it would sound too over-the-top.

As I've said before, Bush and Cheney need to be impeached and removed, for
the good of the country. A Baker-Hamilton war council could be used to
handle the curent on-going crisis the scums have created.

Bush/Cheney can not be depended upon to make honest, competent decisions re.
the messes they've created in Iraq and elsewhere. And, the attacks on the
Constitution, and the attackers,  have to be destroyed,  so the abuses don't
remain for future Presidents to build on.

In the US, we're not dealing with our problems and we're going to pay for
that.

> She has stated: "I probably wouldn't have objected so much, or felt it
> was so abusive if he had just wanted normal sex all the time. But it
[quoted text clipped - 12 lines]
>
> Top that.

Umm, how about an evangelist leader that the President Bush consulted with
weekly,
turning out to be an active homo who uses call boys?

There's an interesting symetry in that they both involve rump riders....

Bush speaks his mind....

"The Bob Jones policy on interracial dating, I mean I spoke out on
interracial dating. I spoke against that. I spoke out against interracial
dating. I support the policy of interracial dating." --George W. Bush,
interview with CBS News, February 25, 2000

"If you're sick and tired of the politics of cynicism and polls and
principles, come and join this campaign." --George W. Bush, Hilton Head,
S.C., Feb. 16, 2000

"The most important job is not to be governor, or first lady in my
case." --George W. Bush, Pella, Iowa, as quoted by the San Antonio
Express-News, Jan. 30, 2000

"What I am against is quotas. I am against hard quotas, quotas they
basically delineate based upon whatever. However they delineate, quotas, I
think vulcanize society. So I don't know how that fits into what everybody
else is saying, their relative positions, but that's my position.'' --George
W. Bush, as quoted by the San Francisco Chronicle, Jan. 21, 2000
Tiglath - 26 Jul 2007 22:34 GMT
> >> "The senator has got to understand if he's going to have --" he can't
> >> have
[quoted text clipped - 30 lines]
>
> Jesus H. Christ, what a perv.   Do you have a link to a story about this?

Here is part of it.

http://www.commondreams.org/views05/0512-21.htm
Ken Wood - 26 Jul 2007 01:07 GMT
> Excellent!
>
[quoted text clipped - 75 lines]
> working for them, Aftergood noted. "You're not supposed to do that in the
> United States," he said.

What about bringing in some STASI and KGB people to give them a heads
up on how to do this thing right?
 
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