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History Forum / General / British History / October 2007Are Americans A Cosseted People?
Renia Simmonds thinks that some Americans are like cosseted children. Is that really true -- are some Americans cosseted? DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Pax Vobiscum -------------------------------------------- Newsgroups: alt.history.british, alt.talk.royalty, soc.culture.scottish, soc.history.medieval From: Renia <re...@DELETEotenet.gr> Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2007 14:22:06 +0300 Local: Sun, Oct 14 2007 12:22 pm Subject: Re: Diana, Princess Of Wales & Continuing Mindless Celebrity Worship Some Americans remind me of cossetted children. Then when they grow up and face the real world, it terrifies them. Trouble is, it terrifies them en masse, like some kind of mass hysteria, then they have a knee-jerk reaction, and try and blow everyone else up. Childish. > Renia Simmonds thinks that some Americans are like cosseted children. > > Is that really true -- are some Americans cosseted? certainly the children of the rich and powerful are cosseted. neither Bush or Gore would have gotten into the Ivy league on "merit" my grandfather was an Irish immigrant but he was white so he he got opportunities that no black ever got so did his kids all white males of privileged fathers were cosseted Vince Pogue Brannigan REALLY has a HATRED for Ivy League Graduates -- because HE couldn't get INTO a Top-Tier Ivy League College on MERIT. Hell, his appalling knowledge of Basic English reveals that -- no further evidence required -- although there is plenty. Hilarious! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Deus Vult >> Renia Simmonds thinks that some Americans are like cosseted children. >> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > but he was white so he he got opportunities that no black ever got > so did his kids > all white males of privileged fathers were cosseted > > Vince > Pogue Brannigan And you served on WHICH front line, again? Dan >> Pogue Brannigan > > And you served on WHICH front line, again? > > Dan I'm sure he is being modest and that his combat wounds pain him every day and his wall is covered with his decorations. I certainly honor him for bleeding for his country on the field of battle and being so modest about his heroism Vince " I'm sure he is being modest and that his combat wounds pain him every day and his wall is covered with his decorations." " I certainly honor him for bleeding for his country on the field of battle and being so modest about his heroism" "I'm sure you have a fine story to tell of your background of poverty and how you made it on your own." ;=) You are surely Irish. > " I'm sure he is being modest and that his combat wounds pain him > every day and his wall is covered with his decorations." [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > ;=) You are surely Irish. Céad Míle Fáilte Vince Brannigan >> " I'm sure he is being modest and that his combat wounds pain him >> every day and his wall is covered with his decorations." [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Céad Míle Fáilte And a hundred thousand welcomes to you as well, sir! > Pogue Brannigan REALLY has a HATRED for Ivy League Graduates -- > because HE couldn't get INTO a Top-Tier Ivy League College on MERIT. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > DSH My modest 693 on Verbal and 735 on Math sats outscored both Bush and Gore on both subjects. http://www.insidepolitics.org/heard/heard32300.html But as one of Six children I went where I got the full scholarship I'm sure you have a fine story to tell of your background of poverty and how you made it on your own. Vince Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only SAT scores should count for college admissions. My SAT's were better than his -- and on a harder test -- with far less preparation. I attended my college on a full scholarship, was the first of my family to attend that fine institution and was immediately -- after another test in New Haven, put in an Honors English Class. Pogue Brannigan is full of sour grapes and probably soused to the gills as well -- as our Pet Irishmen should, of course, be. Had he been as good as he PRETENDS to be he could have won a full scholarship to SOME Ivy League college -- at lest in the Second Tier. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum >> Pogue Brannigan REALLY has a HATRED for Ivy League Graduates -- >> because HE couldn't get INTO a Top-Tier Ivy League College on MERIT. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Vince Recte: Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only SAT scores should count for college admissions. My SAT's were better than his -- and on a harder test -- with far less preparation. I attended my college on a full scholarship, was the first of my family to attend that fine institution and was immediately -- after another test in New Haven, put in an Honors English Class. Pogue Brannigan is full of sour grapes and probably soused to the gills as well -- as our Pet Irishmen should, of course, be. Had he been as good as he PRETENDS to be, Pogue Brannigan could have won a full scholarship to SOME Ivy League college -- at least in the Second Tier. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum > D. Spencer Hines wrote: >> Pogue Brannigan REALLY has a HATRED for Ivy League Graduates -- >> because HE couldn't get INTO a Top-Tier Ivy League College on MERIT. [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Vince > Recte: > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > DSH I used the word "modest" But the test was no different I'm sure with your academic brilliance there is a shelf full of books and publications bearing your name And with you incredible business ability you have gratefully endowed scholarships and professorships so that others from your deprived background could have the same lift out of poverty that you enjoyed War hero, tycoon, brilliant Scholar My goodness Did you endow the Hines professorship at Yale? Vince > Lux et Veritas et Libertas > [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] >> >> Vince > > Recte: > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Vince Yes, but the chair has a wooden seat which has a large hole in it. >> > Recte: >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Yes, but the chair has a wooden seat which has a large hole in it. And a Sears catalogue next to it? > >> > Recte: > [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > And a Sears catalogue next to it? That would be a valuable E-Bay level antique. The Yale Daily News or Yale Herald suffice. >> >> > Recte: >> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >That would be a valuable E-Bay level antique. The Yale Daily News or >Yale Herald suffice. With "Lux et veritas" printed on each page? Eugene L Griessel Everybody lies about sex. - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - >>>>>> Recte: >>>>>> Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only SAT [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - I'm a Daily Cal fan, myself. Never forget the headline: Fire Crime and Sex! (An article on what it takes to sell newspapers, of course) Dan > >>> "Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthi...@earthlink.net> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > Dan The Butterfly of the College Dailies >>> >> > Recte: >>> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > With "Lux et veritas" printed on each page? I would think "recte". - nilita >>>> >> > Recte: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > >I would think "recte". Almost. Good-quality toilet paper, like a folio of vellum, has "recto" on one side and "verso" on the other. The former is used for wiping your recto while the latter is excellent for scribbling verse on. Trust me in this matter. I write all my best stuff in the bog. "The hills are clad in purple and the trees are clad in gold The autumn winds are sighing for a beauty growing old The green grass in the heather and the whitebeams in the glen I'm longing for that springtime when I'll see the sun again" I wish I'd written that, but the credit must go to that prolific writer Anon. It's from a lovely Scottish song called "The Seasons". James Hogg >>> > Recte: >>> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > >And a Sears catalogue next to it? And a poor Scottish student who finances his education by emptying the bucket. Julius >>>> > Recte: >>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] >And a poor Scottish student who finances his education by emptying the >bucket. Here is a picture of the Hines Chair of Naval Intelligence: http://pilgrim.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/images/i/g/dscn34082.jpg James >>>>> > Recte: >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Here is a picture of the Hines Chair of Naval Intelligence: > http://pilgrim.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/images/i/g/dscn34082.jpg Hey! I think I've seen something like that on the Antiques Roadshow! - nilita >>> > Recte: >>> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > And a Sears catalogue next to it? Newspapers, Nilita. Sears catalogue paper is much too slick (unless you crumple it for a bit) >>>>> Recte: >>>>> Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only SAT [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > Newspapers, Nilita. > Sears catalogue paper is much too slick (unless you crumple it for a bit) Beats corn cobs.  Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall >>>>>> Recte: >>>>>> Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only SAT [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Beats corn cobs. Depends on how bad things are itching. (and how often you yankees take baths) >> Beats corn cobs. > > Depends on how bad things are itching. > (and how often you yankees take baths) In this part of the country, folks favored the shucks, unless the womenfolk had gathered'em all to wrap tamales. Sheeit! Until Austex started putting up those canned tamales with paper wrappers, there wasn't a damned corn shuck to be found South of Cibolo Creek. TMO >>> Beats corn cobs. >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > started putting up those canned tamales with paper wrappers, there wasn't > a damned corn shuck to be found South of Cibolo Creek. I betcha the local folks were very careful about which shucks they used to wrap their tamales. Talk about Tex-Mex flavors!! (I just discovered the other day that the singular of "Tamales" is "Tamal") >>>>>>> Recte: >>>>>>> Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only SAT [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > Depends on how bad things are itching. > (and how often you yankees take baths) And how dry the corn cob... Dan > >>>>>>> Recte: > >>>>>>> Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only SAT [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Dan Brown, white, light brown, white, dark brown >>>>>>>> Recte: >>>>>>>> Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >> > And how dry the corn cob... That too, Dan. (Remember the old "Red one, white one, another red one" joke?) >>>>>> Recte: >>>>>> Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Beats corn cobs. #60 SANDPAPER beats corn cobs! >>>>>>> Recte: >>>>>>> Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >> > #60 SANDPAPER beats corn cobs! And leaves one with that creamy soft complexion.... >>>>>>>> Recte: >>>>>>>> Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > > And leaves one with that creamy soft complexion.... I'll take your word for it. Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall >>>>>>>>> Recte: >>>>>>>>> Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > > I'll take your word for it. That's a yankee for you, no spirit of adventure....... >>>>>>>>>> Recte: >>>>>>>>>> Pogue Brannigan would seem to be one of those nuts who think only [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > That's a yankee for you, no spirit of adventure....... I see you still haven't gotten over "the war of southern defeat". Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall <Snip> >> That's a yankee for you, no spirit of adventure....... > > I see you still haven't gotten over "the war of southern defeat". "Ferget Hell!!!" (And surely you mean the War Of Northern Atrocities") > <Snip> > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > "Ferget Hell!!!" > (And surely you mean the War Of Northern Atrocities") You mean the War of Southern Incompetence? Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> wrote: > > <Snip> > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > You mean the War of Southern Incompetence? No, he means the Woah of Northern Aggression! JML La Belle Rebel > On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > No, he means the Woah of Northern Aggression! Also known as the War of Wet Southern Hankies. > JML > La Belle Rebel Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall On Oct 18, 11:43 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> wrote: > > On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "For the stronger we our houses do build, > The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall Within the Confederacy during 1861-65 it was "The War Among the States" as very few state governors could see the "big picture" that Jefferson Davis kept trying to impose on them. On Oct 18, 11:43 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> wrote: > > On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> > > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > "For the stronger we our houses do build, > The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall or as they used to say, "The Late Unpleasantness." JML have a mint julep > On Oct 18, 11:43 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > or as they used to say, "The Late Unpleasantness." I was always quite taken with: "The revolt of the slave holders". SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. > On Oct 18, 11:43 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > or as they used to say, "The Late Unpleasantness." That's what my (Canadian) relatives call the 1776 dust up. > JML > have a mint julep Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall >> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Also known as the War of Wet Southern Hankies. How many of you guys did us "wet hankies" put in the ground? 300,000? 400,000?? > >> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> > >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > How many of you guys did us "wet hankies" put in the ground? 300,000? > 400,000?? Seems like bad medical care accounted for 400,000. The Confederate strength, known less accurately because of missing records, was from 750,000 to 1,250,000. Its estimated losses: Battle deaths: 94,000 Disease, etc.: 164,000 Total 258,000 The Union armies had from 2,500,000 to 2,750,000 men. Their losses, by the best estimates: Battle deaths: 110,070 Disease, etc.: 250,152 Total 360,222 >> >> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 25 lines] > Disease, etc.: 250,152 > Total 360,222 Day-yum. I thought we'd done in more than that. (Still, it was a hell of a blood bath for both sides) >>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > How many of you guys did us "wet hankies" put in the ground? 300,000? > 400,000?? Disease did the most on both sides Killed in action and mortally wounded were about even http://www.phil.muni.cz/~vndrzl/amstudies/civilwar_stats.htm Vince >>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://www.phil.muni.cz/~vndrzl/amstudies/civilwar_stats.htm I'm still whacking at Cory the yankee apologist..... >>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >>>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > I'm still whacking at Cory the yankee apologist..... ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ What? Did someone say something? Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall >>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >>>>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > What? Did someone say something? Come now, Cory. You ain't that old........... >>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > How many of you guys did us "wet hankies" put in the ground? 300,000? > 400,000?? Who won? Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall "Cory Bhreckan" <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> wrote ..... > Who won? Well. leaving out California, Oregon, Washington and Arid-Zone (which in combination contributed less than 1000 soldiers to the effort), one the basis of current economic and population trends, it appears that in the long run, the South won. These days, even once badly treated minorities, especially African Americans, flee to the South. Old GEN Hardee would leap from his grave, waving his sword about, if he imagined all those carpet-bagging Yankees infesting the once palmettoed wet prairies of the "SunOnceShown" state. An amusing side note.....With Detroit remaining the fastest shrinking US urbanity and Michigan locked in with the nations' highest unemployment rate, one of the most popular destinations for illegals remains that state, where unlike the natives, the illegals all work, admittedly at whatever jobs exist. TMO >>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > Who won? Hard to say. It ain't over yet. Won't be until the fat yankee sings. >>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >>>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > It ain't over yet. > Won't be until the fat yankee sings. Joe Torre isn't fat, is he? - nilita >>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >>>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > It ain't over yet. > Won't be until the fat yankee sings. Fat Yankee indeed? http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20060829/mississippi-tops-state-obesity-ranking Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall >>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >>>>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > http://www.webmd.com/diet/news/20060829/mississippi-tops-state-obesity-ranking Which only proves we Southerners are eating well whilst you yankees slowly starve while attempting to survive on government issue cheese. > Which only proves we Southerners are eating well whilst you yankees slowly > starve while attempting to survive on government issue cheese... ...and meat with the fur already removed... >> Which only proves we Southerners are eating well whilst you yankees >> slowly starve while attempting to survive on government issue cheese... > > ...and meat with the fur already removed... Yes and that as well. Strange dining habits up there. Roadkill lying about everywhere. >> Which only proves we Southerners are eating well whilst you yankees >> slowly starve while attempting to survive on government issue cheese... > > ...and meat with the fur already removed... Speaking of which - look what the cat brought in. You disapoint me yet again Turlough - I was sure you must be dead after being absent all this time. >>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >>>>>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Which only proves we Southerners are eating well whilst you yankees slowly > starve while attempting to survive on government issue cheese. You do know that a lot of obese people are also malnourished don't you? Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall >>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > You do know that a lot of obese people are also malnourished don't you? And you realize that in times past many Southerners were forced to eat a high carbohydrate diet along with gobs of lard because that was all they could afford due to the stranglehold you bluebellies had on our economy. It wasn't until 1960 or 1970 that the punitive and discriminatory railroad freight rates were changed to give the South somewhat of an even break. There are other examples as well of Northern greed and bias. >>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > freight rates were changed to give the South somewhat of an even break. > There are other examples as well of Northern greed and bias. Now I see the Southern strategy, whine us to death. Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall >>>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > > Now I see the Southern strategy, whine us to death. No, we are simply going to take the brightest and best from among you, incorporating them into our growing economy, and let the rest of yez slowly, slowly twist in the wind. >>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>>>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > incorporating them into our growing economy, and let the rest of yez slowly, > slowly twist in the wind. Speaking of 'twisting in the wind', how's the water supply down there? http://www.accessnorthga.com/news/hall/newfullstory.asp?ID=118619 Don't expect to hear too many Northerners whistling Dixie any time soon. Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>>>>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Don't expect to hear too many Northerners whistling Dixie any time soon. Okay, that war's over, boys. Long time ago. As some of the more crude in the reading audience would say ... "Time to put a bullet in that sick puppy's head!" - nilita (with love) >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>>>>>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - nilita (with love) Huh? You've been around here long enough to know better. Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall >>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>>>>>>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > Huh? You've been around here long enough to know better. You're right. Boys will be boys. Carry on with this thread. - nilita (I'll try the Godwin approach next time) >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>>>>>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 47 lines] > > - nilita (with love) Well now, Miss Nilita, we is but funning each other here.......... >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>>>>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Don't expect to hear too many Northerners whistling Dixie any time soon. Some cities are counting the months left until the water is gone. We are trying to find some way to blame all this on you yankees but so far we haven't come up with anything we could hang our coonskin hat on. >>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>>>>>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > We are trying to find some way to blame all this on you yankees but so far > we haven't come up with anything we could hang our coonskin hat on. It must be all those Yankees moving south, drinking up all your water and and wasting it in ways no southerner would ever think of, like leaving the water running in the sink while brushing their teeth (yes, teeth, they generally have more than one), washing, flushing the toilets etc... Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall <Snip> >> Some cities are counting the months left until the water is gone. >> We are trying to find some way to blame all this on you yankees but so [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > water running in the sink while brushing their teeth (yes, teeth, they > generally have more than one), washing, flushing the toilets etc... Yes and bathing every day. Water wasters, the lot of yez. (What does "flushing the toilets" mean?) > <Snip> > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > Yes and bathing every day. Water wasters, the lot of yez. (What does > "flushing the toilets" mean?) That's where you send in the dawgs to bark so they fly up and you can blast them http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting/hunting-dogs/gf_aa056203a/ Vince >> <Snip> >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://www.gameandfishmag.com/hunting/hunting-dogs/gf_aa056203a/ Then you hang them under the eaves for a fortnight to rot a bit? > >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan > >>>>>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > We are trying to find some way to blame all this on you yankees but so far > we haven't come up with anything we could hang our coonskin hat on. All it'll take is a couple hurricanes. we can't let Mexico and Central America have all the fun. I'm sure there's a couple Cat 4s simmering out by the Azores. >> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >> >>>>>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > Central America have all the fun. I'm sure there's a couple Cat 4s > simmering out by the Azores. It's a bit late in the season for Hurricanes, although the temperatures are unseasonably warm and Hurricanes do occur in November. But you are correct. It will most likely take a Hurricane to blow out the high pressure dome sitting over Charlotte. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> [quoted text clipped - 52 lines] > But you are correct. It will most likely take a Hurricane to blow out the > high pressure dome sitting over Charlotte. For all their violence, hurricanes are rather weak as weather systems go. A weak high system can push them around with ease, add a little shear and the hurricane falls apart. Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall > On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > No, he means the Woah of Northern Aggression! Indeed so, Jane. yankees take after their Anglo ancestors, always wanting to take lands belonging to other folk. Needing no introduction "an" Usenet stalwart wrote: >> On Oct 18, 10:22 am, Cory Bhreckan <coryvreckan@NO_SPAM.verizon.net> >> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >yankees take after their Anglo ancestors, always wanting to take lands >belonging to other folk. You lot been fighting among yourselves again? SignatureBryn Don't forget that depression is merely anger without enthusiasm... We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit Expatriatrix in Athens, Greece, would have it. What Say Ye? DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas > We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many > Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit > Expatriatrix in Athens, Greece, would have it. > > What Say Ye? That "Expatriatrix" (for a variety of reasons) isn't a word. SignatureJohn Briggs > > We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many > > Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > -- > John Briggs sounds kinky >>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many >>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > sounds kinky If it meant anything, it would mean "A female person who expatriates (someone else)" - an Extraordinary Renditioner, perhaps? It is amazing how often the Hines mind turns to torture - was he involved in torture in his Navy days, do you think? Or did he train torturers? (It was the Argentine Navy which carried out torture, I believe.) SignatureJohn Briggs > >>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many > >>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > John Briggs The ones that talk about it didn't do it. Court cases keep the "real" people quiet. >>>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many >>>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > If it meant anything, it would mean "A female person who expatriates > (someone else)" no it would not Feminine suffixes Webster's defines an agent-noun — author, farmer, or narrator — as one who performs the action. Adding Latin feminine-gender suffixes implies a deviation from the norm. These suffixes are: * -ine: of or belonging to * -ess: female * -ette: 1. a little one (of the thing or class specified); 2. a group of (as in octette); 3. female; 4. imitation; substitute. * -trix: female that does or is associated with a (specified) thing. When used in action-nouns, these suffixes serve as a modifier in the same way as other sex-linked descriptives. Thus, a poetess is "a female poet"; an actress is "a female actor"; and an executrix is "a woman exercising the functions of an executor." expatriate as a noun always refers to the person Action nouns follow this rule cf inquisitor inquisitrix Executor Executrix Prosecutor Prosecutrix Vince >>>>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many >>>>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Prosecutor Prosecutrix And ... a dominatrix? ...... - nilita - a/k/a Cattle Prod Mistress of Patience ... >>>>>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many >>>>>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > - nilita - a/k/a Cattle Prod Mistress of Patience ... also Fellatrix you can look it up http://www.fasthealth.com/dictionary/f/fellatrix.php Vince >>>>>>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many >>>>>>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > you can look it up > http://www.fasthealth.com/dictionary/f/fellatrix.php And Vince says *I* have a drrrrrty mind ... heheheheh ... - nilita > >>>>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many > >>>>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - nilita - a/k/a Cattle Prod Mistress of Patience ... Russian nearly the same "nitza", so that istrebitelnitza is a female fighter aircraft >>>>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many >>>>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Prosecutor Prosecutrix All of this is irrelevant as these are agent nouns, referring to people who DO something. Expatriate is a past participle, a PASSIVE form referring to someone or something that SUFFERS an action. In this case the word means someone who has been removed from his or her native land. The word derives from the verb expatriare. The Latin endings for this are masculine -atus and feminine -ata. Both of these become -ate in English. Expatriatrix is typical Hawaiian Bog Latin, meaning (if anything) a female who sends people out of their native lands. Renia would never stoop that low. Tish Praeterea censeo Hinem esse delendum >>>>>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many >>>>>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > someone who has been removed from his or her native land. The word > derives from the verb expatriare. not found in several online latin dictionaries http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/vor?target=en%2C0&collection=Any&lookup=exp atriare&formentry=1&template=&.submit=Search&searchText=&alts=1&extern=1&group=c ollcat&.cgifields=group&.cgifields=alts&.cgifields=type&.cgifields=extern http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wordz.pl?keyword=expatriare expatriare expatriare ======== UNKNOWN The Latin endings for this are > masculine -atus and feminine -ata. you are incorrect people can "expatriate" themselves. n. (-t, -t) 1. One who has taken up residence in a foreign country. 2. One who has renounced one's native land. It is therefore an action taken by the actor Ex- when connected to a place or status routinely means actions by the person Exit [From Latin, third person sing. of exre, to go out : ex-, ex- + re, to go; see ei- in Indo-European roots. N., sense 2, from Latin exitus, from past participle of exre.] See also exeunt or expire or exculpate The magistrate speaks ex-cathedra see ex- at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex- > Both of these become -ate in English. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Tish > Praeterea censeo Hinem esse delendum Accipere quam facere praestat injuriam Vince >>>>>>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many >>>>>>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] >not found in several online latin dictionaries >http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/cgi-bin/vor?target=en%2C0&collection=Any&lookup=exp atriare&formentry=1&template=&.submit=Search&searchText=&alts=1&extern=1&group=c ollcat&.cgifields=group&.cgifields=alts&.cgifields=type&.cgifields=extern It's medieval Latin. >http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wordz.pl?keyword=expatriare >expatriare [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > >people can "expatriate" themselves. Agreed. And if you do something to yourself, you are the object of your own action. Hence the passive form of "expatriate" meaning someowho has been removed from his country, through his own action or someone else's. The feminine form still isn't expatriatrix. >n. (-t, -t) >1. One who has taken up residence in a foreign country. [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ex- I don't see the relevance of these, except that they also begin with the prefix ex-. Many such verbs are transitive, so they can have both a subject and an object. Take the verb excommunicate as an example. This refers to an act whereby a person (X) excludes another person (Y) from participation in the sacraments. I'll let people guess which of the following nouns refers to X and which to Y: excommunicator excommunicate I'll also leave to others to work out which of the two nouns has the same ending as expatriate. Tish Praeterea censeo Hinem esse delendum >>>>>>>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many >>>>>>>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > It's medieval Latin. according to ---------------- >> http://www.archives.nd.edu/cgi-bin/wordz.pl?keyword=expatriare >> expatriare [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > someowho has been removed from his country, through his own action or > someone else's. no you are the actor, not the object of an act you don't "do anything to yourself." When you exit you are the actor not the object When you expire you are the actor not the object > The feminine form still isn't expatriatrix. says whom >> n. (-t, -t) >> 1. One who has taken up residence in a foreign country. [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > I don't see the relevance of these, except that they also begin with > the prefix ex-. they all involve actors or status Exculpate is something you do for yourself not to yourself you are the actor not the object > Many such verbs are transitive, so they can have both a subject and an > object. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > the sacraments. I'll let people guess which of the following nouns > refers to X and which to Y: I was taught that in canon law one excommunicates oneself and it is only recognized by a proceeding "Unless the local ordinary or an ecclesiastical court finds that the offense in question occurred, the obligation to observe an automatic excommunication lies solely on the excommunicated (Can. 1331 §1). Thus, even though an automatic excommunicant is forbidden to exercise any ecclesiastical offices, the excommunicant still retains the offices and all such acts are still valid acts under the law unless there has been a trial and finding of fact. Once this occurs, all subsequent acts become void and all offices lost (Can. 1331 §2)." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excommunication#Automatic_excommunication_.28.22lat ae_sententiae_excommunication.22.29 So you are still incorrect have a nice day Vince >> Agreed. And if you do something to yourself, you are the object of >> your own action. Hence the passive form of "expatriate" meaning >> someowho [sic] has been removed from his country, through his own action >> or someone else's. Hilarious! "Leticia Cluff" tries to use terribly twisted and risible logic -- but Brannigan cuts "her" off at the pass. > no you are the actor, not the object of an act > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > When you expire you are the actor not the object Precisely! Vincent Brannigan digs up a juicy truffle. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Prosecutio stultitiae est gravis vexatio, executio stultitiae coronat opus >>> Agreed. And if you do something to yourself, you are the object of >>> your own action. Hence the passive form of "expatriate" meaning [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > >Vincent Brannigan digs up a juicy truffle. We were discussing a transitive verb, i.e., one that can take an object. Switching to an intransitive verb like expire, which cannot take an object, is hardly a smart or logical move. It's totally irrelevant. Par for the course. Spencer, we note your inability to contribute anything of substance to this discussion, other than to provide further examples of your ignorance and the nauseating way you suck up to people one minute after calling them pogues. Now go and clean your tongue, there's a good boy, and leave the serious debate to the grownups. Tish >>>Agreed. And if you do something to yourself, you are the object of >>>your own action. Hence the passive form of "expatriate" meaning [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > Vincent Brannigan digs up a juicy truffle. Since when has a truffle been juicy? >>>>Agreed. And if you do something to yourself, you are the object of >>>>your own action. Hence the passive form of "expatriate" meaning [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Since when has a truffle been juicy? Now we are getting into XXX-rated territory, Renia .... - nilita >>>>>>>>> We still don't have a definitive answer as to whether some or many >>>>>>>>> Americans are "COSSETED" ---- as Renia Simmonds, the Brit [quoted text clipped - 75 lines] > >says whom If Hines had not changed sides, from his usual ass-kicking position to his unaccustomed ass-licking, he would have corrected that to "says who?" This shows your difficulty in distinguishing subjects from objects. >>> n. (-t, -t) >>> 1. One who has taken up residence in a foreign country. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > >Exculpate is something you do for yourself not to yourself Excuse me? Exculpate is something you do to another person or to yourself. >you are the actor not the object When you exculpate another person you are the actor, not the object. When you exculpate yourself your are both actor and object. Look up reflexive verbs. Teach yourself. >> Many such verbs are transitive, so they can have both a subject and an >> object. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >So you are still incorrect No, both you and your buddy Hines fail to understand some basic principles of language such as subject and object. That requires a capacity for abstract thought. John Briggs has that capacity. He correctly wrote about expatriatrix: If it meant anything, it would mean "A female person who expatriates (someone else)" You wrongly wrote: "no it would not" All of this is above Hines's head, of course. I entertained better hopes for you. >have a nice day You too Tish snipped down to the only discussion >> Exculpate is something you do for yourself not to yourself > > Excuse me? Exculpate is something you do to another person or to > yourself. no you don't do it "to" them you do it about them more below >> you are the actor not the object > > When you exculpate another person you are the actor, not the object. > When you exculpate yourself your are both actor and object. Look up > reflexive verbs. Teach yourself. OFCS of course its reflective, that has nothing to do with the actor issue you made the claim that expatriated was an act done by another it isn't >>> Many such verbs are transitive, so they can have both a subject and an >>> object. [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > principles of language such as subject and object. That requires a > capacity for abstract thought. no you miss the key point as you point out expatriation is reflective you do it to yourself no one does it to you Vince > snipped down to the only discussion > [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > no one does it to you Hmmm ... is there anybody reading this thread who could act as a tie breaker - The Great Decider ...? ...%) - nilita >> snipped down to the only discussion >> [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > Hmmm ... is there anybody reading this thread who could act as a tie > breaker - The Great Decider ...? ...%) What would repatriator (or repatriatrix) mean? SignatureJohn Briggs >>> snipped down to the only discussion >>> [quoted text clipped - 59 lines] > > What would repatriator (or repatriatrix) mean? Well, I would think that a repatriatrix would be a black leather corseted woman, wearing high boots, leather and chains, bearing a whip and accompanied by a german shepherd, welcoming someone back to his home country. But, that's just *moi* ...%) - nilita >>> snipped down to the only discussion >>> [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > What would repatriator (or repatriatrix) mean? one who repatriates if the word exists Vince >>>>>>> On Oct 19, 5:40 pm, "John Briggs" <john.brig...@ntlworld.com> >>>>>>> wrote: [quoted text clipped - 117 lines] > I was taught that in canon law one excommunicates oneself and it is > only recognized by a proceeding Taught by Jesuits, presumably :-) You are deliberately obfuscating the distinctions between excommunication and automatic excommunication, between de jure and ab homine, between latae and ferendae, and between public and occult. To sum up: an excommunicator is not the person being excommunicated (even if one can excommunicate oneself), an expatriator is not the person being expatriated (even if one can expatriate oneself). SignatureJohn Briggs >> I was taught that in canon law one excommunicates oneself and it is >> only recognized by a proceeding [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > one can excommunicate oneself), an expatriator is not the person being > expatriated (even if one can expatriate oneself). -or is the suffix for one doing the action it says nothing about the root which can involve self or other or things cf fellator is almost always doing someone else but a mastubator has no such restriction An aviator is flying the plane a prosecutor is prosecuting the case a self-immolator is burning him or herself A sailor may be a status (he was a sailor himself) or sailing the ship Vince >>> I was taught that in canon law one excommunicates oneself and it is >>> only recognized by a proceeding [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > a prosecutor is prosecuting the case > a self-immolator is burning him or herself Immolation has nothing (or nothing necessary) to do with fire. But that is the point - a self-immolator is doing it to themselves, as would a self-expatriatrix, of course. SignatureJohn Briggs Of course... The amusing, but offering only low-grade entertainment, sock-puppet "Leticia Cluff", AKA "Tish", is simply too thick to understand that simple explanation. So, he is giving up and running for the tall grass. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum > Immolation has nothing (or nothing necessary) to do with fire. But that > is the point - a self-immolator is doing it to themselves, as would a > self-expatriatrix, of course. On Sat, 20 Oct 2007 20:55:11 +0100, someone pressed the Heinz Dispenser to squirt the following all over my monitor: >> Immolation has nothing (or nothing necessary) to do with fire. But that >> is the point - a self-immolator is doing it to themselves, as would a [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Cluff", AKA "Tish", is simply too thick to understand that simple >explanation. Hilarious! You have totally missed the point that John Briggs and I agree here, and that his explanation is the same as mine. Par for the course. Let me repeat it as simply as I can so that even a juvenile, hooch-impaired intellect like yours can grasp it: When a person A does something to another person B, person A is the agent (please forget the James Bond sense, here it means a "doer"). Person B can be called the experiencer. Some actions you can do to yourself, so that person A and person B are actually the same. Expatriate yourself is an example. Kill yourself is another example. A very good example, actually. >So, he is giving up and running for the tall grass. Hines the misogynist has never forgiven me for exposing his bad behavior in this thread: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.history.british/browse_frm/thread/fc4c5bd365f5f946 Tish |
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