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History Forum / General / British History / October 2007Bush Warns Of World War III If Iran Goes Nuclear
Hmmmmmmmm... DSH ------------------------------------------ Bush warns of World War III if Iran goes nuclear Oct 17, 2007 AFP US President George W. Bush said Wednesday that he had warned world leaders they must prevent Iran from getting nuclear weapons "if you're interested in avoiding World War III." "We've got a leader in Iran who has announced that he wants to destroy Israel," Bush said at a White House press conference after Russia cautioned against military action against Tehran's suspect atomic program. "So I've told people that, if you're interested in avoiding World War III, it seems like you ought to be interested in preventing them from having the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," said Bush. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Exitus Acta Probat > Hmmmmmmmm... > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Exitus Acta Probat Who is going to line up with Iran to make it a "world war" Vince > > Hmmmmmmmm... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Vince Venezuela and Myanmar >>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>> DSH [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > > Venezuela and Myanmar Holy crap!!! We're doomed!  Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall In soc.history.medieval Jack Linthicum <jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote: >> Who is going to line up with Iran to make it a "world war" >> >> Vince >Venezuela and Myanmar Does anyone need to be told that we've been down this road before? At some point perhaps Americans will become tired of a President who goes to war because he wants to. Remember when Bush was rattling on about North Korea? Finally, ghod knows why, he decided that talking to North Korea was better than going to war with North Korea. Perhaps the Chinese scared him off? Who knows? But it worked and North Korea is dismantling its nuclear program. Perhaps we could try to sit down and talk to Iran? They've certainly asked us to. Certainly the Government of Iran is totally rational compared to North Korea. And what do we have to loose? Signature--- Paul J. Gans > In soc.history.medieval Jack Linthicum <jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > before? At some point perhaps Americans will become tired > of a President who goes to war because he wants to. Right wingers are dumber than dirt. If glorious leader says that Iran is a threat - without any evidence and contrary to all known history - then they will be scared of Iran and ready to invade it. --Jeff SignatureJesus Saves - and takes half damage. >In soc.history.medieval Jack Linthicum <jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote: > [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >totally rational compared to North Korea. And what do we >have to loose? Credibility. And it's lose, not loose. The last loosing saw Iraq filled with American soldiers. >> > Hmmmmmmmm... >> [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > Venezuela and Myanmar Maybe Israel if it has nothing better to do that day ... - nilita >>> > Hmmmmmmmm... >>> [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > > Maybe Israel if it has nothing better to do that day ... Ooops ... I meant to put Israel on the side of the U.S. ... doh! - nilita >>>>>Hmmmmmmmm... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > - nilita You shouldn't have corrected yourself. It made me think of some interesting possibilities. But, it's hard to leave the hard core, imperial base of yours. Though, you have come a long way babe. >>>>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>>> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Ooops ... I meant to put Israel on the side of the U.S. ... doh! What makes you think that Israel is on the side of the US? SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>>>> [quoted text clipped - 38 lines] > > What makes you think that Israel is on the side of the US? I think he meant 'US on the side of Israel' Completely different. >>>>>>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > I think he meant 'US on the side of Israel' > Completely different. Except I'm a she not a he .. :) - nilita >>>>>>>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 43 lines] > > Except I'm a she not a he .. :) Cite? >>>>>>>>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > >Cite? What you actually want is a sight. Peter Skelton >>>>>>>>>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>>>>>>>>> DSH [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Peter Skelton http://tinyurl.com/2hfdg9 Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>>>>>>>>>> DSH [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/2hfdg9 Boop-boop-de-doop. BAM! - nilita >>>>>>>>>>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>>>>>>>>>> DSH [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > http://tinyurl.com/2hfdg9 I'm in love. >>>>>>>>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>>>>>>> [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > > Cite? You want photies? > > Hmmmmmmmm... > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > > Vince Hi, Russian already has with Putin's visit and announcement yesterday. In addition, he has suggested that nations bordering the Caspian sea form an alliance for their area and resources. The problem is that we need a better secretary of state. It is easy for a secretary of state to get us into a war and re-start a new semi-cold war with Russia, however, a good one keeps us out of war and still is able to have maintain our goals and objectives. Diana, Tan Ascot, McD on 82nd street in Kenosha (9-10 am) or (1:30-3 pm) usually Barnes and Noble, Racine (Tuesdays and Friday about 7:15 pm, cafe and cooca with whipped cream) >>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>> DSH [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] > Barnes and Noble, Racine (Tuesdays and Friday about 7:15 pm, cafe and > cooca with whipped cream) then the risk is not Iran but Russia They already have nukes Vince >>>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>>> DSH [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > then the risk is not Iran but Russia > They already have nukes Let me get this clear: Bush wants to start World War III in order to prevent World War III? SignatureJohn Briggs In soc.history.medieval Vince <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote: >>>> Hmmmmmmmm... >>>> DSH [quoted text clipped - 33 lines] >> Barnes and Noble, Racine (Tuesdays and Friday about 7:15 pm, cafe and >> cooca with whipped cream) >then the risk is not Iran but Russia >They already have nukes Russia has refused to actually send the enriched uranium the Iranians bought from them a couple of years back. Putin was asked about it when he was in Iran. He gave an evasive answer. The meaning was clear. Talk. Putin wants Iran to talk. And Putin wants the US to talk. Putin is not in favor of a nuclear Iran. He's got enough Islamic problems of his own. Signature--- Paul J. Gans >In soc.history.medieval Vince <firelaw@firelaw.us> wrote: >>>>> Hmmmmmmmm... [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] >Putin wants the US to talk. Putin is not in favor of a nuclear >Iran. He's got enough Islamic problems of his own. Chechnya et al. And amusingy, they were originally part of the Iranian Empire, until the Russians grabbed them. >> Hmmmmmmmm... >> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> the knowledge necessary to make a nuclear weapon," said Bush. >> ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Lux et Veritas et Libertas >> >> Exitus Acta Probat >Who is going to line up with Iran to make it a "world war" The entire world against Iran qualifies as a world war. Japan was alone at the end, but it was still WWII. Casady Don't forget Hamas and Hezbollah. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas > Don't forget Hamas and Hezbollah. > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Thus Spake: *G* *O* *D* *S* *C* *R* *E* *A* *T* *O* *R* So what has Hamas and Hezbollah. threatened the U.S. with lately? :-D God's Creator! 8-) ( Sorry, I don't forgive sh.t! ) Signature~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Todays U.S. "Judaism Vs. Islamism Wars" News: . http://www.antiwar.com . . http://icasualties.org/oif/ . ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> Hmmmmmmmm... > >> [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > The entire world against Iran qualifies as a world war. Japan was > alone at the end, but it was still WWII. One difference is that WWII against Japan was carried on in China, IndoChina, and the Pacific Islands. The entire world against Saddam in 1990 didn't qualify as a world war---why should the entire world against Iran today qualify? Mark Borgerson > > >> Hmmmmmmmm... > > >> [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > > Mark Borgerson p;enty pf countries didn't participate against saddam in the first gulf war. > Who is going to line up with Iran to make it a "world war" More to the point, who's going to line up with the USA? SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. on 10/17/2007 5:07 PM William Black said the following: > >> Who is going to line up with Iran to make it a "world war" [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Every country that has suffered radical Islamic terror. Except the French. SignatureBill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ > on 10/17/2007 5:07 PM William Black said the following: >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> > Every country that has suffered radical Islamic terror. Except the French. No no no... That was last week. These days the French are just about the only European country who'd actually go to war with the USA against Iran. Trying to get a British Labour government out on another American military adventure is a non-starter of almost epic proportions. The last one almost brought the government down. The Italians won't play again either, the Spaniards have already walked from Iraq and the Germans might want to play but would have serious political problems if they did. The Poles will want to fight, just to piss off the Russians, and they share that with the Baltics, but that's your lot... The other point is that most of Europe has suffered from terrorists, Islamic and not, and we're not afraid of them. They're a nuisance. If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have bombed New York some time ago... Oh yes, which terrorists do Iran sponsor who blow up anywhere but bits of Israel? SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. > >> on 10/17/2007 5:07 PM William Black said the following: [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] > > The Time Traveler... Observed: And Now!! America's famous *Home-Grown-South-American Terrorist* ---> http://www.northamerican.com/ ---> http://www.airborne-ranger.com/ranger/wannabees/OllieNorth.html Osama Bin Laden... WHO! The Time Traveler -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- Lead, follow, or get the HELL out of the way! ---------------------------------------------------------------- > If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have bombed New > York some time ago... Yeah. Right. Don H. >> If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have bombed New >> York some time ago... >> > Yeah. Right. Actually under Bush philosophy of "he who supports terrorists is a terrorist", UK would have bombed Boston as the principal financial backers of the IRA (who caused over 3000 deaths, remember their weapon was the Armalite (M-16) not the AK-47) ! David >>> If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have >>> bombed New York some time ago... [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > David According to the CAIN research project at the University of Ulster, [84] the Provisional IRA was responsible for the deaths of 1,821 people during the Troubles up to 2001. This figure represents 48.4 percent of the total fatalities in the conflict. * 621 of these casualties were civilians. * A total of 655 were British armed forces; 465 from the British Army, 190 were from the Ulster Defence Regiment (a part time local British Army reserve unit). * 272 were members of the Royal Ulster Constabulary, 14 were former Royal Ulster Constabulary members, six were British Police, 20 were Northern Ireland Prison Service officers, two were former prison officers. * A further 35 were loyalist paramilitaries (21 Ulster Defence Association (UDA), three former UDA, 11 Ulster Volunteer Force). * Six were Gardaí and one was Irish Army. * About 180 were republican paramilitaries, including 12 Official IRA members, one Irish People's Liberation Organisation member, 63 alleged informers and 103 accidental deaths of Provisional IRA members due to premature explosions. As noted the IRA caused less than half the deaths during the troubles. The loyalists and Brits caused the other half. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA_campaign_1969-1997#Loyalists_and_th e_IRA_-_killing_and_reprisals Im on record that the IRA wre murderous thugs, but the terror tactics went both way. Better bomb whitehall too Vince >>>> If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have >>>> bombed New York some time ago... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >As noted the IRA caused less than half the deaths during the troubles. >The loyalists and Brits caused the other half. Only if you include among "loyalists and Brits" the following organizations: Irish National Liberation Army Irish People's Liberation Organisation Irish People's Liberation Organisation Belfast Brigade Official Irish Republican Army People's Liberation Army People's Republican Army real Irish Republican Army Saor Eire Catholic Reaction Force and other non-specific Republican groups http://cain.ulst.ac.uk/sutton/tables/Organisation_Responsible.html I get a figure of 58% deaths caused by all the republican groups together. James >>>>> If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have >>>>> bombed New York some time ago... [quoted text clipped - 51 lines] > > James not hung up on the numbers, and a certain percentage of the republican deaths were their own people The point was 3000 was an incorrect number and that terror went both ways Vince > >>> If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have > >>> bombed New York some time ago... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > As noted the IRA caused less than half the deaths during the troubles. > The loyalists and Brits caused the other half. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA_campaign_1969-1997#Loyalists_an d_the_IRA_-_killing_and_reprisals > Im on record that the IRA wre murderous thugs, but the terror tactics > went both way. Better bomb whitehall too So both sides in any conflict are murderous thugs and terrorists? Surreyman > > >>> If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have > > >>> bombed New York some time ago... [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > Surreyman There is some doubt about a Franciscan-Templar dust up but usually both sides lack gentility. > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_IRA_campaign_1969-1997#Loyalists_an > d_the_IRA_-_killing_and_reprisals [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Surreyman No, but in Ireland it was especially nasty on both sides especially for the late 20th century. Vince >> So both sides in any conflict are murderous thugs and terrorists? > > No, but in Ireland it was especially nasty on both sides especially > for the late 20th century. Except that the overall homicide rate *at the height of The Troubles* was less than that in New York. SignatureJohn Briggs >>> So both sides in any conflict are murderous thugs and terrorists? >> No, but in Ireland it was especially nasty on both sides especially >> for the late 20th century. > > Except that the overall homicide rate *at the height of The Troubles* was > less than that in New York. 1) What is your denominator Ireland or ulster? 2) doesn't keep it from being nasty Vince >>>> So both sides in any conflict are murderous thugs and terrorists? >>> No, but in Ireland it was especially nasty on both sides especially [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > 1) What is your denominator Ireland or ulster? Neither: Northern Ireland. > 2) doesn't keep it from being nasty Like New York? :-) SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>> So both sides in any conflict are murderous thugs and terrorists? >>>> No, but in Ireland it was especially nasty on both sides especially [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Neither: Northern Ireland. Oh so you mean the gerrymandered British occupied Ireland >> 2) doesn't keep it from being nasty > > Like New York? > :-) Fair enough city or state? please provide a cite Vince >>>>>> So both sides in any conflict are murderous thugs and terrorists? >>>>> No, but in Ireland it was especially nasty on both sides [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > please provide a cite http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>>>> So both sides in any conflict are murderous thugs and terrorists? >>>>>> No, but in Ireland it was especially nasty on both sides [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homicide_rate didn't catch ny Vince >>>>>>>> So both sides in any conflict are murderous thugs and >>>>>>>> terrorists? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > didn't catch ny NY has better stats that the USA as a whole? SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>>>>>> So both sides in any conflict are murderous thugs and >>>>>>>>> terrorists? [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > > NY has better stats that the USA as a whole? as an urban area it is one of the safest large cities Again, it depends on what you are comparing. Vince > > Oh so you mean the gerrymandered British occupied Ireland Oh - do we have an agenda here? Surreyman >>> Oh so you mean the gerrymandered British occupied Ireland > > Oh - do we have an agenda here? There's a curious tale to tell about gerrymandering in Northern Ireland... SignatureJohn Briggs John Briggs wrote : >>>> Oh so you mean the gerrymandered British occupied Ireland >> >> Oh - do we have an agenda here? > > There's a curious tale to tell about gerrymandering in Northern Ireland... Were you ever a French teacher John ? I know the name. SignatureCount Baldoni > John Briggs wrote : >>>>> Oh so you mean the gerrymandered British occupied Ireland [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > I know the name. Not that I am aware of :-) SignatureJohn Briggs >>>> If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have >>>> bombed New York some time ago... [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > As noted the IRA caused less than half the deaths during the troubles. > The loyalists and Brits caused the other half. Not so: "Approximately 60% of the victims were killed by republicans, 30% by loyalists and 10% by the British, Irish and Northern Irish security forces." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>> If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have >>>>> bombed New York some time ago... [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Troubles people disagree on the count but I have no problem with the ballpark (part of the problem is how to count republicans killed by themselves or other republicans Vince > people disagree on the count > but I have no problem with the ballpark > (part of the problem is how to count republicans killed by themselves or > other republicans I find it interesting that only the republicans find keeping score an issue. And only then if they can add the people murdered by the various Protestant factions to those killed by the security forces. The security forces were never interested in 'the score', the Protestant terrorists were too fragmented to care (they seem to have hated each other far more than they hated anyone else) and the IRA and its various factions and breakaway organisations seem to have killed as many of their own as anyone else. SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >>>> If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have >>>> bombed New York some time ago... [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Vince The murderous thugs _DID_ bomb Whitehall! ! <http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9D0CE7DA123BF93BA35751C0A96795826 0&sec=&spon=&pagewanted=print> Feb 8 1981 The New York Times refers;- "IRA Attacks 10 Downing Street With Mortar Fire .... " For those ignorant of the geography, ... the van mounted mortar tubes were located at the intersection of Horse Guards Avenue and Whitehall (for this purpose a street containing the front doors of many Ministries and Downing Street is a short street off Whitehall. So the 'murderous thugs' followed the clamour of the Maryland Irish-passport purchasing Professor. >> Im on record that the IRA wre murderous thugs, but the terror tactics went >> both way. Better bomb whitehall too [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Street is a short street off Whitehall. So the 'murderous thugs' followed > the clamour of the Maryland Irish-passport purchasing Professor. The original suggestion was >>>>> If we went to war over people sponsoring terrorists we'd have >>>>> bombed New York some time ago... I simply pointed out that the terror went both ways. As to passports Did you steal your passport? Or did you stroll in and tell them how important you are or did you purchase it like anyone else? My grandfather and Father were both Irish Citizens. I was an Irish citizen from birth Vince >>> Im on record that the IRA wre murderous thugs, but the terror tactics >>> went both way. Better bomb whitehall too [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > As to passports Did you steal your passport? Or did you stroll in and > tell them how important you are or did you purchase it like anyone else? As a matter of record, I was given (issued) with my first (adult) passport by a grateful nation recogniing my status as a 'Government Employee' in lieu of any other issued body armour! Subsequent passports were paid for by my employers in order for me to travel the world on their behalf. I had to purchase my last passport which to my regret is the vile burgundy style issued for an exorbitant amount of money; curiously enough I first needed to acquire a new passport to flash at the Garda Siochana at Dublin Airport because my 'true-blue' passport had expired just before my nephew's marriage! So; in order; I didn't steal a passport. nor did _I_ pay for my first couple, { I did stroll into the Grosvenor Square Embassy to have my first USA Visa stamped into the passport -but the alacrity with which it was entered was (I'm sure) merely because of the courtesy of the Government clerks and not because of 'my importance' - the hostile stares from the huge queue (line) of applicants I bypassed were (i'm sure) directed to the smart dress of the pair of Marines who escorted me from the kerb-side door to the 'visa-stamping' counter.}. > My grandfather and Father were both Irish Citizens. I was an Irish > citizen from birth AIUI, from your previous posts, AIUI your grandfather left Ulster (Province not 'Northern Ireland' statelet) and presumably became a Citizen of the United States? Did he swear the 'Oath of Allegience' which inter-alia requires the applicant to; - "I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; " Was your father born in Ireland or was he a 'natural citizens ' of the USA being born in USA and presumably being White and prior to 1952 thereby being relieved of the obligation to swear an Oath of Allegience? Were you born in the USA or Ireland? Have you been required to swear the 'Oath of Allegience' to the USA? Are you of the opinion that the requirement ,of citizens, to absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, ... ' doesn't apply to _YOU_!?Is this because you think you are too important? IMHO, you're a PLASTIC PADDY who has bought a passport off a dodgy nation that'll give away passports to any applicant with a likely story of grandparents and sufficeint folding stuff to be tucked into the grasping governments coffers. If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; ask the opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! BTW, as a offspring of Ulster born Grandparents; I too have the spurios qualifications to purchase an Irish Passport ... so ! > Vince >>>> Im on record that the IRA wre murderous thugs, but the terror tactics >>>> went both way. Better bomb whitehall too [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > by a grateful nation recogniing my status as a 'Government Employee' in lieu > of any other issued body armour! ok so you were "important" > Subsequent passports were paid for by my employers in order for me to travel > the world on their behalf. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > So; in order; I didn't steal a passport. nor did _I_ pay for my first > couple, unless your sacrifice at government salary is a "purchase" FTR us government folks can have free government official passport only for official use > { I did stroll into the Grosvenor Square Embassy to have my first USA Visa > stamped into the passport -but the alacrity with which it was entered was [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > pair of Marines who escorted me from the kerb-side door to the > 'visa-stamping' counter.}. Ill take it that you were"important" enough to jump the queue >> My grandfather and Father were both Irish Citizens. I was an Irish >> citizen from birth [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or > citizen; " he left British occupied Ireland in 1915 before the Brits Left. He came on a UK passport. (We have it )He married my Grandmother and my father was born before he became a US citizen. My father was born in 1918 (in the USA )while the Brits still occupied Ireland. > Was your father born in Ireland or was he a 'natural citizens ' of the USA > being born in USA and presumably being White and prior to 1952 thereby being > relieved of the obligation to swear an Oath of Allegience? My father was born in the USA and traveled to Ireland as a child in 1922. Under Irish law he was an an Irish citizen > Were you born in the USA or Ireland? Have you been required to swear the > 'Oath of Allegience' to the USA? I am a dual national by the jus sanguinis (Ireland) and the jus soli (USA) neither requires an oath > Are you of the opinion that the requirement ,of citizens, to > absolutely and entirely > renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, > potentate, state, or sovereignty, ... ' doesn't apply to _YOU_!?Is this > because you think you are too important? no because its the law. The USA never had a problem with dual nationality > IMHO, you're a PLASTIC PADDY who has bought a passport off a dodgy nation > that'll give away passports to any applicant with a likely story of > grandparents and sufficeint folding stuff to be tucked into the grasping > governments coffers. Ireland is a sovereign nation, of which I am a citizen and frankly neither it or I care a rap what a UK "dweller" thinks > If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; ask the opinion > of the Egyptain Grocer! Been to Egypt, lots of times . They remember the Brits as oppressors. > BTW, as a offspring of Ulster born Grandparents; I too have the spurios > qualifications to purchase an Irish Passport ... so ! Ireland has long welcomed its wayward children Vincent Brannigan >> As a matter of record, I was given (issued) with my first (adult) >> passport by a grateful nation recogniing my status as a 'Government >> Employee' in lieu of any other issued body armour! > > ok so you were "important" Nope. Just a government servant sent abroad. If he didn't have a passport they'd buy him one. He could have been a gardener doing a job at a British Council library, or an electrician rewiring an area of an ebbassy >> So; in order; I didn't steal a passport. nor did _I_ pay for my first >> couple, > > unless your sacrifice at government salary is a "purchase" > FTR us government folks can have free government official passport only > for official use Not in the UK. Items bought for Civil Servants can be used by them in any manner they wish. >> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; ask the >> opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! > > Been to Egypt, lots of times . They remember the Brits as oppressors. You missed that one Vince. 'The Egyptian Grocer' is a reference to Mohamed Fayed, owner of Harrods and found to be not fit to a British Citizen or hold a British passport... SignatureWilliam Black I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea. >>> As a matter of record, I was given (issued) with my first (adult) >>> passport by a grateful nation recogniing my status as a 'Government [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > If he didn't have a passport they'd buy him one. In the USA only for official duties > He could have been a gardener doing a job at a British Council library, or > an electrician rewiring an area of an ebbassy [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > Items bought for Civil Servants can be used by them in any manner they wish. The USA requires civil servants to pay for what they use personally so I'll accept that that in the USA civil servants work for the people but in the UK civil servants have the people groveling for them no problem >>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; ask the >>> opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > 'The Egyptian Grocer' is a reference to Mohamed Fayed, owner of Harrods and > found to be not fit to a British Citizen or hold a British passport... Oh I know,i simply ignored it http://news.scotsman.com/topics.cfm?tid=781&id=1201672002 The brits never lose a chance at an ethnic or trade slur no problem My family was in the grocery business Vince >>>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; ask the >>>> opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Oh I know,i simply ignored it How many people believe that one? Hands up! James >>>>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; ask the >>>>> opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > How many people believe that one? Hands up! How many people would believe Vince (or anyone else) could miss such an obvious allusion. Ah yes - only one. >>>>>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; >>>>>> ask the opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > How many people would believe Vince (or anyone else) could miss such > an obvious allusion. Ah yes - only one. self delusion only readers of the Scotsman and certain trashy tabloids ever saw it if you want to see do a google Results 1 - 10 of about 28 English and German pages for "egyptian grocer" Mohamed Fayed. 28 hits Compare 19,400 English and German pages for professor vincent Brannigan. And Im hardly a household word Vince > >>>>>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; > >>>>>> ask the opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > Compare > 19,400 English and German pages for professor vincent Brannigan. Actually, more like nine entries for "Professor Vincent Brannigan" and fifty or so for "Vincent Brannigan". Unless you put your search term in quotes to get the _exact_ phrase, you'll return entries for any instance of "Professor", "Vincent" or "Brannigan". For example, one of the pages in your 19,400 is "Neighbors Vincent and Karen Giordano are taking visiting family out so they ask ...... After hearing about googling one's name, thirtyish Izobel Brannigan ..." Deirdre Yep, the Old Fraudster, Vincent Brannigan, has been caught by the short hairs. DSH >> >>>>>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; >> >>>>>> ask the opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Deirdre > Yep, the Old Fraudster, Vincent Brannigan, has been caught by the short > hairs. > > DSH Refine the search any way you want I still come out way ahead of the Egyptian grocer Vince >>>>>>>>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; >>>>>>>>> ask the opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] >> >> Deirdre Hilarious! The Irish Drunk is obviously DESPERATE for praise, respect and adulation. He's no doubt three sheets to the wind again. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas >> Yep, the Old Fraudster, Vincent Brannigan, has been caught by the short >> hairs. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Vince > Hilarious! > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> Vince Im still ahead Vince > > Hilarious! > > [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > Im still ahead So are Dahmer, Gacy and Manson...are you sure you want to be in their company? Deirdre >>> Hilarious! >>> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] > So are Dahmer, Gacy and Manson...are you sure you > want to be in their company? So is Mother Teresa and St Francis of Assisi all are much more well known than the attribution of the "Egyptian grocer" Which is the only question Vince How do I come out? <G> DSH >> > Hilarious! >> > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > Deirdre > How do I come out? <G> just tell everyone you are gay >> How do I come out? <G> > > just tell everyone you are gay Web Results 1 - 10 of about 34,500 for gay spencer hines. - nilita >> How do I come out? <G> > > just tell everyone you are gay Jack, Jack, Jack. That was terrible. ;=) > D. Spencer Hines wrote: >> Hilarious! [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >>>> Yep, the Old Fraudster, Vincent Brannigan, has been caught by the short >>>> hairs. >>> Refine the search any way you want >>> >>> I still come out way ahead of the Egyptian grocer > > Im still ahead Why is it so important to play this childish game of impressing D. Spencer Hines? > Why is it so important to play this childish game of impressing D. Spencer > Hines? Because Pogue Brannigan is a volatile combination of an insecure adolescent boy -- who is trying to prove to me he can piss further than the other pogues -- with the persona of an Irish Drunk who wants to be loved, respected, adulated, imitated and listened to -- as he regales us with Hibernian Blarney. Add in a dash of Academic Imperiousness... And we have GRAND ENTERTAINMENT. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum >>> Hilarious! >>> [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Why is it so important to play this childish game of impressing D. Spencer > Hines? >> Why is it so important to play this childish game of impressing D. >> Spencer Hines? [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > to be loved, respected, adulated, imitated and listened to -- as he > regales us with Hibernian Blarney. What a hoot Sorry i don't play that personal nastiness is your game not mine you can look it up Vince >> Yep, the Old Fraudster, Vincent Brannigan, has been caught by the >> short hairs. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > I still come out way ahead of the Egyptian grocer Results 1 - 10 of about 276,000 for "Mohamed Al-Fayed" SignatureJohn Briggs >>> Yep, the Old Fraudster, Vincent Brannigan, has been caught by the >>> short hairs. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Results 1 - 10 of about 276,000 for "Mohamed Al-Fayed" The reference was not to Mohamed Al-Fayed The reference was to the "egyptian grocer" Vince >>>> Yep, the Old Fraudster, Vincent Brannigan, has been caught by the >>>> short hairs. [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > > The reference was to the "egyptian grocer" Results 1 - 10 of about 73 for "egyptian grocer" harrods OR al-fayed OR fayed Results 1 - 10 of about 36 for "professor vince brannigan" OR "professor vincent brannigan" SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>> Yep, the Old Fraudster, Vincent Brannigan, has been caught by the >>>>> short hairs. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > Results 1 - 10 of about 36 for "professor vince brannigan" OR "professor > vincent brannigan" you're still "cheating" if you insist that title must precede name you have to look at "egyptian grocer al-fayad" as one phrase Results 1 - 10 of about 1,310 English and German pages for "Vincent Brannigan" (0.35 seconds) Not to mention that my middle initial is part of my name so you have to search for Vincent M Brannigan Vince Brannigan and Vincent Brannigan not to mention viKnce Vince >>>>> Yep, the Old Fraudster, Vincent Brannigan, has been caught by the >>>>> short hairs. [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > Results 1 - 10 of about 36 for "professor vince brannigan" OR "professor >vincent brannigan" You get completely different results if you search Google Images. Typing in "Vince Brannigan" brings up an incongruous range of pictures, the first of which is particularly interesting: http://images.google.com/images?svnum=10&um=1&hl=ga&safe=off&q=%22vince+brannigan%22 However did this end up on a Welsh government site? James >>>>>> Yep, the Old Fraudster, Vincent Brannigan, has been caught by the >>>>>> short hairs. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > However did this end up on a Welsh government site? Well, local government - Cardiganshire Council. But the real answer is that Google Images is borken (sic). SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>>>> Yep, the Old Fraudster, Vincent Brannigan, has been caught by the >>>>>>> short hairs. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >Well, local government - Cardiganshire Council. But the real answer is that >Google Images is borken (sic). I wouldn't say that was entirely true - the Hines Professorship at Yale looked very prestigious! http://pilgrim.ceredigion.gov.uk/media/images/i/g/dscn34082.jpg >>>>>>>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; >>>>>>>> ask the opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > Deirdre your google is a little misleading 302 English and German pages for "vincent Brannigan" professor 1,370 English and German pages for "vincent Brannigan" . Im also listed as Vince Brannigan Still a lotmore than 28 if you do egyptian grocer you only get 213 many of whcih are clealry unconnected the point still stands Vince >>>>>>>>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport from HMG; >>>>>>>>> ask the opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > the point still stands Results 1 - 10 of about 36 for "professor vince brannigan" OR "professor vincent brannigan" SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>>>>>>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport >>>>>>>>>> from HMG; ask the opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > Results 1 - 10 of about 36 for "professor vince brannigan" OR > "professor vincent brannigan" 301 English and German pages for "Vincent Brannigan" professor . still beats any reference to the Egyptian grocer Vince >>>>>>>>>>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport >>>>>>>>>>> from HMG; ask the opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 54 lines] > > still beats any reference to the Egyptian grocer Results 1 - 10 of about 113 for "vincent brannigan" "university of maryland" professor Results 1 - 10 of about 236 for "egyptian grocer" SignatureJohn Briggs >>>>>>>>>>>> If you need to appreciate the worth of a passport >>>>>>>>>>>> from HMG; ask the opinion of the Egyptain Grocer! [quoted text clipped - 57 lines] > > Results 1 - 10 of about 236 for "egyptian grocer" still cheating lots of egyptian grocers out there who dont own harrods Attacks against Arabs California --In Los Angeles, Adel Karas, an Egyptian grocer was shot and killed. Egyptian Grocer MURDERED in L.A.! by Stop Racist Attacks 9:42am Tue Sep 18 '01 A 3rd. "backlash" murder has taken place. An Egyptian Grocer in San Gabriel is the latest victim to fall to hate. And all this while my money's about to vanish. It's the duty of the United Nations to care for us." Mahmoud Amer, an Egyptian grocer, is unsympathetic. . The film moves on to its next “victim”: an Egyptian grocer in Brooklyn who lost some business after 9/11. The grocer blames the media: “The TV says bad ... Vince > 301 English and German pages for "Vincent Brannigan" professor . The only way you get that number is by including duplicates and sub-sites. > still beats any reference to the Egyptian grocer Okay, Vince, you win...your willie is bigger than Al-Fayed's, we'll all make a note of it. (Unfortunately for you, it's not bigger than mine at 1130 mentions...including dupes and sub-sites...you've got some catching up to do.) Ye gawds and sheesh... Deirdre On Oct 24, 2:05 pm, Deirdre Sholto Douglas <finch.enter...@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > > 301 English and German pages for "Vincent Brannigan" professor . > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Deirdre 750, 200 are FCC so at least 7 years old >> 301 English and German pages for "Vincent Brannigan" professor . > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Deirdre if you subtract professor and use both versions of my name you get lots Vince >>> 301 English and German pages for "Vincent Brannigan" professor . >> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > if you subtract professor and use both versions of my name you get > lots I've come in late on this, and missed the point: weren't you trying to claim that you *did* know who "the Egyptian grocer" was, despite evidence to the contrary? Did this suddenly morph into a claim that he was more likely to have heard of you than you of him? SignatureJohn Briggs >>>> 301 English and German pages for "Vincent Brannigan" professor . >>> The only way you get that number is by including [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > contrary? Did this suddenly morph into a claim that he was more likely to > have heard of you than you of him? Two separate issues yes, I knew who the "Egyptian grocer" is. 5 years part time Visiting Professor in Glasgow exposed me to the underbelly of uk newspapers. I know where Harrod's is in Knightsbridge, been there many times. the stop is convenient when I come in from Heathrow to Bloomsbury When the reference was used, I made a humorous twist by calling on my Egyptian experience to describe the reactions of the real Egyptian grocers I'd met The poster in a juvenile try at a cheap hit claimed BOTH that I'd missed it and that everyone knew that Fayad was the Egyptian grocer. He continued sarcastic abuse after I said i did know it. There is certainly no way to "prove" what I knew one way or the other, but it is fairly easy to prove whether everyone else knows the reference I therefore replied that I knew it but that few outside of the tabloid reading Brits would know it. I supported that claim by showing the tiny number of references with fayad and Egyptian grocer occurring in a google search The google references that refer to myself far outnumber the references to fayad as the Egyptian grocer. some posters try to minimize the number of references to myself by insisting that my professorial title must precede my name to count . It doesn't always , even when it occurs in the same article. others want to count every reference to and Egyptian grocer, as if fayad is the only Egyptian grocer. I rest my case Vincent M Brannigan >yes, I knew who the "Egyptian grocer" is. 5 years part time Visiting >Professor in Glasgow exposed me to the underbelly of uk newspapers. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Egyptian experience to describe the reactions of the real Egyptian >grocers I'd met WHOAREYOUTRYINGTOCONVINCE see below That can be read as Who are you trying to convince? or Who are you trying to con, Vince? James >> yes, I knew who the "Egyptian grocer" is. 5 years part time >> Visiting Professor in Glasgow exposed me to the underbelly of uk [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > see below I have no concern whatever with what you believe the record speaks for itself Vince > That can be read as > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > James >>>>> 301 English and German pages for "Vincent Brannigan" professor . >>>> The only way you get that number is by including [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > every reference to and Egyptian grocer, as if fayad is the only > Egyptian grocer. But the number of web references to you is totally irrelevant to the question of whether or not Al-Fayed is known as the Egyptian Grocer. SignatureJohn Briggs > But the number of web references to you [Brannigan] is totally > irrelevant to the question of whether or not Al-Fayed is known > as the Egyptian Grocer. ------------------------------------------------------------ Correct... There appear to be some 768,000 web references to me, just as _D. Spencer Hines_ alone... Meaning not a ruddy, damned thing. This is a VERY SILLY GAME begun by Pogue Brannigan... ONE of the most stupid, inane and insipid he has begun in this arena -- full of sound and fury, signifying nothing. Except: Pogue Brannigan is exposed as a volatile, insecure adolescent boy -- who is trying to prove to me he can piss further than the other pogues -- combined with the persona of an Irish Drunk who wants to be loved, respected, adulated, imitated and listened to -- as he regales us with Hibernian Blarney. Add in a dash of Academic Imperiousness... And we have GRAND ENTERTAINMENT... But couldn't Lady Baltimore be better represented in these threads? Surely she could find a better champion to carry her colors. The same could be said for Lady Bethesda. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum >> The google references that refer to myself far outnumber the >> references to fayad as the Egyptian grocer. some posters try to [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > But the number of web references to you is totally irrelevant to the > question of whether or not Al-Fayed is known as the Egyptian Grocer. >> But the number of web references to you [Brannigan] is totally >> irrelevant to the question of whether or not Al-Fayed is known [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Meaning not a ruddy, damned thing. No, there are 9,870 To "D. Spencer Hines" - some of them remarkably uncomplimentary. SignatureJohn Briggs >> But the number of web references to you [Brannigan] is totally >> irrelevant to the question of whether or not Al-Fayed is known [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > There appear to be some 768,000 web references to me, just as _D. Spencer > Hines_ alone... no one says you are not well known Vince > But the number of web references to you is totally irrelevant to the > question of whether or not Al-Fayed is known as the Egyptian Grocer. Its relevant as a reference point number of references like the numberer of citations is a first cut at how well something is known, and to whom . Vince >> But the number of web references to you is totally irrelevant to the >> question of whether or not Al-Fayed is known as the Egyptian Grocer. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >number of references like the numberer of citations is a first cut at >how well something is known, and to whom . Why? If you Google my name you get 27,000 hits - most of them are NOT about me (the first 3 or 4 pages are though) Deirdre Sholto Douglas has it right. This is a VERY silly discussion. The USENET equivalent of an adolescent boy peeing contest -- as to who has the longest stream. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas >> 301 English and German pages for "Vincent Brannigan" professor . > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Deirdre >>>> How many people would believe Vince (or anyone else) could miss such >>>> an obvious allusion |
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