Re: Day of Decision: The Battle of Hastings
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D. Spencer Hines - 06 Nov 2007 22:36 GMT Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when Britain was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out of fond and somewhat wistful nostalgia and respect.
We are fully aware that it's neither accurate nor Politically Correct.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Britannicus Traductus Sum
"John Briggs" <john.briggs4@ntlworld.com> wrote in message news:pj5Yi.34537$9Y3.109@newsfe1-win.ntli.net...
> "Great Britain" as a whole island. "Britain" means the United Kingdom > (however configured.) James Hogg - 06 Nov 2007 22:56 GMT >Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when Britain >was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out of fond and >somewhat wistful nostalgia and respect. > >We are fully aware that it's neither accurate nor Politically Correct. Having read some history, you do know, of course, that the term Great Britain was originally used to distinguish the island from Little Britain, not the comedy show (do you get that in the States?) but Britannia Minor or Brittany.
Nothing has changed. The area of Great Britain is still bigger than that of Bretagne. No need for nostalgia or respect, just pure geography makes Britain Great.
James
D. Spencer Hines - 06 Nov 2007 23:48 GMT >>Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when >>Britain was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > Britain was originally used to distinguish the island from Little > Britain [sop] Of course we are -- it's irrelevant.
Vide supra pro sapientia.
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
Renia - 07 Nov 2007 02:14 GMT >>>Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when >>>Britain was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Of course we are -- it's irrelevant. It's very relevant. Ever looked at a Map Of The World?
> Vide supra pro sapientia. Vide crappe.
> DSH > > Lux et Veritas et Libertas The Highlander - 09 Nov 2007 11:00 GMT >>>>Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when >>>>Britain was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >> >> Lux et Veritas et Libertas Now Renia, this is the moment to start talking about Armorica, the old name for Brittany, and to explain that Lobster Americaine is a typically ignorant American botching of Homard Armoricaine.
How can any of these "esperts" find their arses without a map, is my next question. I feel quite ill at the thought of the US system of one-illiterate, one vote!
I'll leave you to it, and once again commend you for having parents who made sure you had a decent education.
Renia - 09 Nov 2007 11:19 GMT >>>>>Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when >>>>>Britain was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > name for Brittany, and to explain that Lobster Americaine is a > typically ignorant American botching of Homard Armoricaine. Don't know anything about lobsters, either Armoricaine or American.
Armorica comes from the old Gaulish word for on or by the sea and really refers to that northern tip of NW France (Brittany) and out into the Atlantic for an indeterminate distance. Pliny made a mistake and thought it meant the whole shabang as far as Aquitaine. Gaulish is a language closely related to Breton and Welsh. Some town and village names in Brittany and Wales today are quite similar to each other. Brittany has very strong Arthurian legends of its own, possibly even stronger than Great Britain's. There were strong political and financial links between Great Britain and Brittany during Roman times, which Julius Caesar reported upon.
The fun part of Armorica or Gaul, is that is the famed home of Asterix and his physician colleague, Getafix.
> How can any of these "esperts" find their arses without a map, is my > next question. I feel quite ill at the thought of the US system of > one-illiterate, one vote! Well, a lot of hot air and crap emanate from either major orifice, so they do seem to have trouble remembering which is which.
> I'll leave you to it, and once again commend you for having parents > who made sure you had a decent education. Thank my parents and my excellent grammar school.
allan connochie - 09 Nov 2007 11:51 GMT > Brittany has very strong Arthurian legends of its own, possibly even > stronger than Great Britain's. I visited Merlin's grave in Britanny in, I think it was the Foerst of Broceliande (spelling), but every Borderer will tell you Merlin was buried at Merlindale near Drumelzier, in Peeblesshire. Stoned to death by local shepherds! No doubt there are many othr Merlin's graves too :-)
Certainly for anyone visiting Britanny the standing stones at Carnac are a must. Absolutely immemse monument of hundreds of monoliths seemingly stretching for what seems like miles. Far more impressive than anything in the UK of that ilk.
Allan
a.spencer3 - 09 Nov 2007 12:10 GMT > > Brittany has very strong Arthurian legends of its own, possibly even > > stronger than Great Britain's. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > stretching for what seems like miles. Far more impressive than anything in > the UK of that ilk. Yep. In fact I seem to remember that there are several thousand of 'em. Some 25 years ago I spent two weeks amongst those, in between crepes. Amazing place. But when you remember that the Egyptian Pyramids and temples were going up at much the same time ...........
Surreyman
James Hogg - 09 Nov 2007 12:20 GMT >> > Brittany has very strong Arthurian legends of its own, possibly even >> > stronger than Great Britain's. [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] >Some 25 years ago I spent two weeks amongst those, in between crepes. >Amazing place. Brittany certainly gives you the crepes. I also like the seaweed-flavoured beer.
>But when you remember that the Egyptian Pyramids and temples were going up >at much the same time ........... One of the saddest reflections of modern life is that, if you Google for Brittany, the fourth hit on the list is the official Britney Spears website.
James
>Surreyman The Highlander - 09 Nov 2007 16:07 GMT >>> > Brittany has very strong Arthurian legends of its own, possibly even >>> > stronger than Great Britain's. [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] >> >>Surreyman Youth must be served....
I might add that there have been weeks when we lived on crêpes, I would cook sixty or more to ensure we didn't run out. Crêpes freeze perfectly between sheets of waxpaper and the possibilities for the fillings/toppings are endless. In addition, there are few desserts that are as light and delicious as crêpes Suzette. I have to stop before I start drooling on my keyboard!
Galettes are also delicious with an egg or salted butter, as well as ham or cheese or sugar or jam, accompanied by a glass of cider or "lait ribot" a lightly fermented Breton milk, not unlike buttermilk.
James Hogg - 09 Nov 2007 16:27 GMT >>>> > Brittany has very strong Arthurian legends of its own, possibly even >>>> > stronger than Great Britain's. [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >ham or cheese or sugar or jam, accompanied by a glass of cider or >"lait ribot" a lightly fermented Breton milk, not unlike buttermilk. All in all, Brittany is a GOOD THING. Let's not start about the music, Les Soeurs Goadec or Jean Baron on his bombarde.
Brian McNeill's novel "To Answer the Peacock" is very interestingly set in Brittany.
James
D. Spencer Hines - 09 Nov 2007 16:30 GMT Yes, she's distinctly fourth-rate -- used goods.
DSH
> One of the saddest reflections of modern life is that, if you > Google for Brittany, the fourth hit on the list is the official > Britney Spears website. James Hogg - 09 Nov 2007 17:27 GMT >> One of the saddest reflections of modern life is that, if you >> Google for Brittany, the fourth hit on the list is the official >> Britney Spears website. > >Yes, she's distinctly fourth-rate -- used goods. I understand that she has fallen in your esteem and left you disappointed. I couldn't rate her at all myself, never having knowingly heard anything by her.
James
Renia - 09 Nov 2007 12:25 GMT >>>Brittany has very strong Arthurian legends of its own, possibly even >>>stronger than Great Britain's. [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > In fact I seem to remember that there are several thousand of 'em. > Some 25 years ago I spent two weeks amongst those, in between crepes. Oh, please. Don't start me on crepes in Brittany. Exquisite.
> Amazing place. > But when you remember that the Egyptian Pyramids and temples were going up > at much the same time ........... Makes you wonder if Stonehenge was a pyramid but the grass fell off.
Renia - 09 Nov 2007 12:24 GMT >>Brittany has very strong Arthurian legends of its own, possibly even >>stronger than Great Britain's. [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > at Merlindale near Drumelzier, in Peeblesshire. Stoned to death by local > shepherds! No doubt there are many othr Merlin's graves too :-) When I was in New Orleans, we were taken to the House of the Rising Sun.
Or at least, one of them. There are four, I think.
> Certainly for anyone visiting Britanny the standing stones at Carnac are a > must. Absolutely immemse monument of hundreds of monoliths seemingly > stretching for what seems like miles. Far more impressive than anything in > the UK of that ilk. Indeedy. Like Avebury writ large.
The Highlander - 09 Nov 2007 15:48 GMT >> Brittany has very strong Arthurian legends of its own, possibly even >> stronger than Great Britain's. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > >Allan They're stunning, aren't they?. Stonehenge fades into insignificance by comparison.
Leticia Cluff - 09 Nov 2007 19:51 GMT >>>>Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when >>>>Britain was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > >Vide crappe. I think that DSH is using the Latin word "pro" in one of its common acceptations, namely "instead of." He's trying to say, "Instead of knowledge you can read what I have written above."
Say what you like about Mr. Hines, but he has served one significant function here. He has united a lot of people in their antipathy to this tripe-triplicating troll.
I recollect from my student days, long before I left the States for Canada, when serial killer Son of Sam was terrorizing New York. After he was caught, National Lampoon had an article with the headline:
"He Brought Us Together"
The article then said something about how living in fear of David Berkowitz had united all New Yorkers:
"Young or old, rich or poor, black or white, sensitive or Australian, he brought us together."
I won't dwell on the other obvious parallels between the two Davids.
Tish
The Highlander - 09 Nov 2007 15:54 GMT >>>Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when >>>Britain was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > >Of course we are -- it's irrelevant. It is not irrelevant at all. We are lying in our teeth again, in a transparent attempt to save face; a face already exposed as knowing nothing.
How shameful to watch this ducking and weaving because one's ego will not allow one to admit that one could have been wrong. The danger of positioning oneself as an infallible guru now becomes crystal clear.
My contempt for this pathetic avoidance of responsibility underlines your immaturity as a failed adult.
>Vide supra pro sapientia. > >DSH > >Lux et Veritas et Libertas Renia - 07 Nov 2007 02:11 GMT > Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when Britain > was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out of fond and > somewhat wistful nostalgia and respect. > > We are fully aware that it's neither accurate nor Politically Correct. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Keep Trying.
Why do we always get your balderdash in triplicate?
Adam Whyte-Settlar - 07 Nov 2007 12:03 GMT >> Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when >> Britain [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > Why do we always get your balderdash in triplicate? I see he still hasn't broken his unbeaten record in being wrong about absolutely everything absolutely every time. How does he do it. It's truly uncanny.
James Hogg - 07 Nov 2007 12:18 GMT >>> Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when >>> Britain [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >absolutely everything absolutely every time. >How does he do it. It's truly uncanny. All those years of practising public displays of ineptitude and despicability are bound to yield some result.
I don't think he even has the excuse of being drunk when posting. The problem runs deeper than that.
James Hogg
The Highlander - 09 Nov 2007 16:13 GMT >>> Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when >>> Britain [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] >absolutely everything absolutely every time. >How does he do it. It's truly uncanny. His subscription to the Reader's Digest must have expired...
The Highlander - 09 Nov 2007 16:11 GMT >> Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when Britain >> was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out of fond and [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >Why do we always get your balderdash in triplicate? <discreet applause!>
As this is a Scottish group, and as the Scots are famous for their remorseless harrying of an enemy, I look forward to several weeks of harrassing the now-discredited Hines. We have a major advantage compared to others; we are graduates of the finest educational system in the world as may be seen by the subjects discussed in SCS without benefit of guesswork or vague, dubious claims.
Renia - 09 Nov 2007 17:37 GMT >>>Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when Britain >>>was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out of fond and [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > remorseless harrying of an enemy, I look forward to several weeks of > harrassing the now-discredited Hines. He has been discredited for the entire ten years or so I have used usenet. He is the number one troll par supreme. Give him his due - he is a magnificent troll with no one to touch him. At least he's good at something.
I just wish we didn't get his trolling in triplicate.
> We have a major advantage > compared to others; we are graduates of the finest educational system > in the world as may be seen by the subjects discussed in SCS without > benefit of guesswork or vague, dubious claims. Were the same on shm, whenever there's something medieval to discuss. But, thanks to the Supreme Troll, there's never anything to discuss on that subject in that newsgroup.
Adam Whyte-Settlar - 09 Nov 2007 22:34 GMT > He has been discredited for the entire ten years or so I have used usenet. > He is the number one troll par supreme. Give him his due - he is a > magnificent troll with no one to touch him. I think you miss the point - he isn't a troll at all. He really *is* that ignorant.
gonzo - 07 Nov 2007 20:58 GMT > Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when > Britain was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out > of fond and somewhat wistful nostalgia and respect. > > We are fully aware that it's neither accurate nor Politically Correct. Nostalgia indeed! How they must miss the old gunboat diplomacy, when the answer to cheeky wogs was to murder a few thousand of them! Wistful memories of burning villages and screaming children.
Robert Peffers - 07 Nov 2007 23:52 GMT >> Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when >> Britain was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > a few thousand of them! Wistful memories of burning villages > and screaming children. You do realise, don't you, that for the most part the British Empire became, "The Commonwealth of Nations", (sometimes as the British Commonwealth)? The British Commonwealth, is a voluntary association of 53 independent sovereign states, most of which are former British colonies (the exceptions being the United Kingdom itself and Mozambique). Queen Elizabeth II is the current Head of the Commonwealth, recognised by each state, and as such is the symbol of the free association of the organisation's members. This position, however, does not imply political power over Commonwealth member states.
Antigua and Barbuda Australia The Bahamas Bangladesh Barbados Belize Botswana Brunei Darussalam Cameroon Canada Cyprus Dominica Fiji Islands The Gambia Ghana Grenada Guyana India Jamaica Kenya Kiribati Lesotho Malawi Malaysia Maldives Malta Mauritius Mozambique Namibia Nauru New Zealand Nigeria Pakistan Papua New Guinea St Kitts and Nevis St Lucia St Vincent and the Grenadines Samoa Seychelles Sierra Leone Singapore Solomon Islands South Africa Sri Lanka Swaziland Tonga Trinidad and Tobago Tuvalu Uganda United Kingdom United Republic of Tanzania Vanuatu Zambia ***** Gibraltar is an Associate member.
The Highlander - 09 Nov 2007 17:31 GMT >> Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when >> Britain was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] >a few thousand of them! Wistful memories of burning villages >and screaming children. Music to the Highland ear... Leaving children alive only meant one thing; weakness; leading to revenge massacres when the survivors grew up and returned to pay off old scores. There is far too much made of Highland massacres; they were a salutary reminder to others not to mess with one's clan, not mention access to hitherto unavailable rations.
Plus there were some damned fine bagpipe rants created during those times to drown out the screaming - even our ancestors had some emotions, one likes to believe, They didn't always murder their prisoners, although I will admit it was a problem during WWI as dead men can't tell one's superiors who and how many are facing one's own side.
I suspect the above may be overly sophisticated for the American eye... On the other hand, the failure to sign the Geneva Convention does leave them rather open to shootings, hangings and beheadings.
I've always been amused by the story of Aonghas Òg.
Domhnall Gorm Mòr (the chief of the MacDonalds) married a sister of Ruairi Mòr (the chief of the MacLeods). She was very ugly, and had only one eye.
After a year and a day Domhnall Gorm sent her home on a one-eyed horse, with a one-eyed groom, and a oneeyed dog. She was known as "a' Chailleach Cham" ('The One-eyed Crone:). Not terribly subtle, and not suprisingly, war broke out between the MacDonalds and the MacLeods. At this time Aonghus Òg (Young Angus) was the Captain of the men of Sleat, the MacDonald clansmen.
At the Battle of Coire na Creiche, Aonghus Òg fought so well that he got too far ahead of his men and the MacLeods closed round him and took him prisoner. He was taken to Dunvegan and sentenced to be hanged by MacLeod.
But MacLeod was reluctant to put such a valiant warrior to death and thought he might persuade him to become one of his own men. Aonghus Òg was put on the scaffold, the noose round his neck and then propositioned by MacLeod, who promised him his life if he would marry his sister and switch sides to fight for the MacLeods.
Aonghas Òg asked if he might see the sister first. The sister was brought out and her charms displayed. Aonghus Òg then turned to the hangman and said: "Suas a seo mi!" ('String me up!').
I've always felt this to be a superb example of the ultimate insult!
That took place in 1601 and is an excellent example of the sheer viciousness of those days. Poor woman. The Battle of Coire na Creiche is also known as the War of the One-eyed Woman. The name Coire na Creiche itself tells you all about Highland customs - it's a depression (Coire, or Corrie in English means a cooking kettle) where cattle that had been stolen from someone else were kept, presumably intil the heat died down.
Continuing with the theme of insulting women, in Kilmuir (like Kilmore on Skye and Kilmorie on Rum; they all refer to Saint Mary), an area about five miles north of Uig, in Trotternish, a district often called An Fearann Stapagach; "Land of Cream" because it is so fertile; there is a Martin family graveyard. The Martins are a famous family in Skye, esp. an historian called Martin Martin, died 1719.
One Martin, called Angus of the Wind - the storm, rather than digestive troubles - was a wild man living at the time of Queen Elizabeth of England, who brought a stone back from Iona to enhance the graveyard, carrying it on his own back from the shore to the graveyard; a fair five mile walk.
He was married to a sister of the MacDonald chief (his second marriage) and his brother-in law married a Maclean whom Angus heartily despised. Angus had some local fame as an amateur port and she begged him constantly to compose an ode in her honour. Finally he composed a quatrain for her.
You promised not to get enraged You red-eyed, pockmarked ruddy-faced old bag, *We* paid dearly for your dowry Woe to him who's got you for life!
He was definitely persona non grata at Dunvegan for a long time...
Oddballs weren't confined to Skye though - this story from Uist by Martin MacDonald writing in the West Highland Free Press in 2003 gives a fine example of how tough it was to be an ordinary person in days gone by...
With a few honourable exceptions, 19th century Highland landlords were a pretty squalid bunch, avid for coin and short on humanity. But the most callous of the lot was Colonel John Gordon of Cluny in Aberdeenshire, mid-century laird of South Uist and Barra. His name is still a by-word for brutality in the islands. His daughter-in-law and successor, Lady Gordon Cathcart, was no sweet blossom either.
But let's not lay all the blame on incomers. The last of their native Macdonald chiefs hardly served the islanders well. A warning of changing times hit Uist in 1770 when a local tacksman, Colin Macdonald of Boisdale, forsook Catholicism and moved to the Protestant church. Personal belief is surely a matter for the individual's conscience, but he didn't rest at that. Waving his yellow cane he tried to drive his reluctant sub-tenants into church before him. Creideamh a' bhata bhuidhe is how the incident is still known in Uist - "the creed of the yellow stick".
Fortunately for the Macdonald name another of the clan came to the rescue. John Macdonald of Glenaladale in Moidart was "a man of many accomplishments and goodness of heart", according to the Clan Donald history (written, incidentally, by two Presbyterian ministers). In 1772 he sold Glenaladale and gave the name to land he bought in Prince Edward Island on which he made room for his Moidart tenantry and 100 of the persecuted Uibhistich (the people of Uist). It was a voluntary emigration to freedom.
But by the dawn of the 19th century emigration was discouraged by every possible means in Uist. The landlord needed a labour-force to cut his seaweed and service his highly-profitable kelp industry. And the way to do that was to give people tiny crofts that allowed them a bare subsistence, and forced them to labour on the shores for a wage that would pay their rents but not allow them to save to cross the Atlantic.
And the landlord? Another once-chiefly Macdonald turned entrepreneur. Ranald Macdonald of Clanranald succeeded to the clan lands in South Uist and Moidart as a minor under trustees in 1794. By the time he came of age around 1810 the bright lights of London had already beguiled him. He became MP for an English "rotten borough" and married Lady Caroline Edgcumb, daughter of the Earl of Mount-Edgcumb. And for the next couple of decades the cold toil of the Uist crofters and the vast profits of the kelp industry kept the pair of them in the style her daddy expected.
(My note: I've always thought that Ranald Macdonald of Clanranald, known to English society as "Clanranald Macdonald" was, to quote my grandfather, "one of the biggest sh.ts ever to walk the streets of London".) Here, to show you what still goes on in the Highlands, are some pictures of the Macdonald chiefs reinforcing their still not inconsiderable influence today.
http://www.scotsheraldry.com/Scotsheraldry/Finlaggan.htm Note the long eagle's pinion feathers that only a chief may wear.
It couldn't last, of course. After the Napoleonic Wars kelp prices tumbled as a cheaper Spanish product flooded the market. So how to sustain the London lifestyle? Why, the same answer as other Highland lairds were discovering, of course - clear vast tracts of the best land for profitable sheep farms. And if the now-redundant labour-force couldn't escape overseas just dump them in the already-overcrowded plots by the shore. Clanranald's factor prepared such a plan for South Uist and the early stages were being carried out when impending bankruptcy forced the sale of the estate in 1837.
Enter the devil in the person of the Aberdeenshire-based Colonel Gordon. He showed no remorse in forcing the scheme to its limits. When potato blight hit the West Highlands in the late 1840s, he refused to co-operate in a government-sponsored scheme to provide people with an emergency meal supply. A government official, Captain Pole, warned that if he took no action "scenes would occur in South Uist, Barra and Benbecula which would be disgraceful to his name, and injurious to the reputation of Great Britain."
Prophetic words. In the three years till 1851 he evicted around 2,000 families from Uist and Barra. Men who tried to resist, or escape to the hills, were harried by bailiffs, policemen and dogs. In front of hysterical wives and screaming children they were bound hand and foot, and tossed into the holds of emigrant ships at Lochboisdale pier. Two teenage sisters were still hiding in the hills when the ships sailed with their parents and brothers and sisters. Families were separated like human chattels at a slave market.
Their arrival in Canada caused a scandal. The 'Quebec Times' in 1851 reported bands of starving islanders, few of whom spoke English, scattered along the banks of the St Lawrence river. An appalled quarantine officer wrote that he had never seen "a body of emigrants so destitute of clothing and bedding; many children of nine and ten years old had not a rag to cover them". Gordon had made absolutely no provision for the people he so callously threw out.
At home, the people of South Uist were cowed and broken. Fear stalked the island. Thirty years later the Land League activist John Murdoch reported the crofters were terrified to attend his meetings in case of punitive measures by the estate.
By that time Lady Gordon Cathcart was the landlord. In her 54 years of tenure until her death in 1935 she is reputed to have visited the island at least once. The 1886 Crofters Act had given the crofters security of tenure, of course, but it did nothing for the hundreds of poverty-stricken landless cottars who survived on the crofters' charity. Nor did her ladyship, exercising her power through her resident factor, Mr Paterson.
There was a brief blink of hope in 1891 when South Uist voters elected a Land League supporter, the famous Fr Allan Macdonald, Eriskay, to the newly-created Inverness County Council. But he had to resign through illness, and despite assurances from the Skye Land League contingent on the council that they had a candidate ready to stand for the vacancy, the landlord majority on the council refused to hold an election. They simply co-opted Paterson to fill the gap. The estate stranglehold was as tight as ever.
When Paterson retired in 1901 a small and select group (the banker, a couple of schoolmasters and merchants, and a few estate lackeys) met in Lochboisdale Hotel to wine him and dine him and fawn in gratitude. A few days later half the populace of the island followed pipers to the top of a hillside to the south of Lochboisdale, and danced with great glee round a massive bonfire to celebrate his going. Speeches were made to the effect that Lady Gordon Cathcart would see justice done to her loyal tenantry now that his malign influence had gone.
Not a hope. So the crofters and cottars began to raid the sheep farms that were once their grandparents'. But even when the Congested Districts Board, a government development agency, said they would help crofters with stock and housing if she let crofts at a fair rent the lady would not be moved - though she did offer to sell the farms to the CDB at exorbitant prices their budget could not match. It was 1924 before a final outbreak of post-World War I land raiding brought them under crofting tenure.
For the past half-century the Uibhistich have enjoyed the fairly-benign ownership of a syndicate whose basic interests are sport and fishing. No one will ever again be hog-tied on Lochboisdale pier and thrown into an emigrant ship. Equally, no one pretends that the challenge of community ownership is a panacea for all ills in all circumstances. But it can prevent the stifling inertia of unsympathetic landlordship, which is still quite possible. A community that has suffered so grimly, but survived so resiliently, should consider it well.
The Highlander - 09 Nov 2007 15:33 GMT >Those of us who have read some History, and therefore REMEMBER when Britain >was GREAT, still occasionally say and write GREAT BRITAIN out of fond and >somewhat wistful nostalgia and respect. > >We are fully aware that it's neither accurate nor Politically Correct. We are bullshitting again! We are telling the world that we know absolutely f*ck all outside the narrow confines of whatever we have leaned from that helpmeet of the semi-literate, American middleclass - the Reader's Digest.
>DSH > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >> "Great Britain" as a whole island. "Britain" means the United Kingdom >> (however configured.) D. Spencer Hines - 12 Nov 2007 04:59 GMT If not on the BBC then, which English reporters are we talking about?
DSH
> O.K. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] >> >> Andrew Swallow D. Spencer Hines - 28 Nov 2007 18:53 GMT > Well, I wouldn't go that far, but Thatcher, more than anyone else, > destroyed the essential nature (or culture) of this country. She forced [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > I could go on. I get so angry when I think about it! Renia Simmonds -- British Expatriatrix in Athens, Greece ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
That's quite an indictment of Baroness Thatcher -- former British Prime Minister.
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Thatcher>
Destroyed the Family...
Just how did she singlehandedly "Destroy The Family"?
Bonkers!
DSH
Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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