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History Forum / General / British History / December 2007Re: Gauntlet & Gantlet
"Eugene Griessel" <eugene@dynagen..co..za> wrote in message news:476be88f.31381233@news.uunet.co.za... > From the Concise Oxford English dictionary: > > gauntlet1 // n. 1 a stout glove with a long loose wrist. > 2 hist. an armoured glove. > 3 the part of a glove covering the wrist. > take up the gauntlet see take. > throw down the gauntlet see throw. > [Middle English from Old French gantelet, diminutive of gant ‘glove’, > from Germanic] > > gauntlet2 // n. (US gantlet //) > run the gauntlet > 1 be subjected to harsh criticism. > 2 pass between two rows of people and receive blows from them, as a > punishment or ordeal. > [earlier gantlope from Swedish gatlopp, from gata ‘lane’, lopp > ‘course’, assimilated to gauntlet1] > > So it would appear that once again there is a conflict between English > English and American English. > > Eugene L Griessel > > Pity the promiscuous poetaster - he went from bed to verse. > > - I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval - On Fri, 21 Dec 2007 00:10:31 -0600, Oleg Lego <rat@atatatat.com> wrote: >On Thu, 20 Dec 2007 23:17:52 -0500, Vince posted: > >>D. Spencer Hines wrote: >>> Pogue Brannigan tries to carry out a running retreat. >>> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Stick around. Someone will take pity on you and tell you where to find >a dictionary. That won't help. He can't read. In a totally backfired attempt to prove someone else wrong, Vincey himself wrote: > Perhaps some one should point out to the aggressively ignorant Stuart > Grey and anyone silly enough to quote him that a "gauntlet" is a glove and obligingly provided a dictionary link to prove that he is talking ballocks: http://www.m-w.com/dictionary/gauntlet He didn't understand the bit it says at the top: "2 entries found" He saw only the first entry and missed the second one that proved how clueless he is. Now he is faced with two alternatives. He could say: 1) Sorry, I was wrong. 2) All the dictionaries all wrong. With unerring inaccuracy, he goes for the second alternative. James > According to Vince's source, and Vince I guess, 'We also want to > observe "proper" English usage until most authorities have accepted [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > > Someone teach the Professor, PLEASE. Quite Correct... The Clint Eastwood film is: _The Gauntlet_ [1977] <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Gauntlet> With Sondra Locke and Mara Corday. Well worth a viewing. Of note, the British are quite comfortable with "run the gauntlet". It's the silly-buggers Americans, such as Brannigan, who insist it is WRONG. "We do not know exactly how _gantlet_ came to be regarded as the preferred spelling in "to run the ga(u)ntlet." "The distinction _gantlet - (punishment)/ _gauntlet_ (glove) seems to have arisen in the United States in the 19th century. British dictionaries have never recognized the distinction, and _gantlet_ is no longer a spelling variant in British English." <http://www.word.com/unabridged/archives/2007/06/in_case_you_wer_6.html> DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas > Mr. Hines is right. > [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Where Professor Brannigan has been all those years, god knows. Pogue Brannigan tries to carry out a running retreat. Both GANTLET and GAUNTLET are quite acceptable and correct when used with RUN. ----------------------- _gauntlet, also gantlet -- a double file of men facing each other and armed with clubs or other weapons with which to strike at an individual who is made to run between them -- used with *run*_ MW Collegiate 11th Edition ------------------------- So there is nothing wrong with this: > "To get a college degree, you must run a gauntlet of communist > professors." - Stuart Grey Although SOME of them are mere wannabe SOCIALISTS -- with an itch. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Hilarious! DSH > D. Spencer Hines wrote: >> Correct. >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] >> >> DSH > only if your [sic] are ignorant > > Vince Hilarious! Pogue Brannigan... He's not only IGNORANT -- but mulishly STUBBORN and ARROGANT as well. Only a cornered, mediocre, hair-splitting ACADEMIC would refuse to admit the position of Merriam-Webster's Collegiate Dictionary on this one is correct -- both GAUNTLET and GANTLET are eminently acceptable when used with RUN. Only a POLTROON would then refuse to admit he has OVERREACHED and committed EGREGIOUS PRATFALL... Having been HOIST with his OWN PETAR. How Sweet It Is! DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Veni, Vidi, Calcitravi Asinum > D. Spencer Hines wrote: >> Pogue Brannigan tries to carry out a running retreat. >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Vince Correct. But... One can also run a gauntlet. DSH >>Perhaps some one should point out to the aggressively ignorant Stuart >>Grey and anyone silly enough to quote him that a "gauntlet" is a glove [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > > Casady Hilarious! Pogue Brannigan finally 'fesses up. Just as I knew he would, he eventually got tired of digging a deeper hole for himself -- so he gave up and climbed out. Too Late Smart. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas 24 December 2007 -- DSH > I accept that Gantlet is an americanism [sic] > > Vince |
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