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Re: Stonehenge

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D. Spencer Hines - 23 Jan 2008 01:33 GMT
Stonehenge is not merely a monument, it's a CALENDAR and a CELESTIAL
OBSERVATORY with RELIGIOUS underpinnings.

We need to understand that and study a New Science:

ARCHAEOASTRONOMY...

As well as an expansive study of:

RITUAL MAGIC...

And the COSMOLOGY of our Neolithic ancestors.

John North has shown us the way to proceed.

'Nuff Said.

DSH

Lux et Veritas et Libertas

Deus Vult

"Larry Swain" <giles@poetic.com> wrote in message
news:IqSdnXLXtaN-hgvanZ2dnUVZ_oOnnZ2d@rcn.net...

> Uwe has effectively responded to this.  More importantly however is that
> the issue was that building in stone, like the Romans, indicates a
> higher level of civilization, that was Charlie's point, meaning that the
> early middle ages were less civilized because we have less building in
> stone, if much at all.  The point is that Charlie's point is false,
> unless of course one wishes to argue that those who built Stonehenge are
> a higher civilization than the Carolingians or Anglo-Saxons and do so
> solely on the basis of building an impressive stone monument.
William Black - 23 Jan 2008 07:20 GMT
> Stonehenge is not merely a monument, it's a CALENDAR and a CELESTIAL
> OBSERVATORY with RELIGIOUS underpinnings.

Not now.

It's broken.

It's a stopped clock that's right once a year...

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William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Eugene Griessel - 23 Jan 2008 07:31 GMT
>It's a stopped clock that's right once a year...

You do know the principle that a stopped clock is right twice a day
while one that loses a second a day is only right very seldom?

Eugene L Griessel

  History is only a confused heap of facts.
  - G.K. Chesterton

         -  I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval  -
William Black - 23 Jan 2008 07:43 GMT
>>It's a stopped clock that's right once a year...
>
> You do know the principle that a stopped clock is right twice a day
> while one that loses a second a day is only right very seldom?

I need a clock that tells me roughly when dinner is ready.

One that tells me it's dawn on midsummer's day is of little use to me...

So is one that tell me my local oscillator is accurate within 10 to the 9th
power...

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William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Les Cargill - 25 Jan 2008 01:35 GMT
>>> It's a stopped clock that's right once a year...
>>
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
> So is one that tell me my local oscillator is accurate within 10 to the
> 9th power...

you may be closer than you think....

http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/12/time_hackers

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Les Cargill
William Black - 25 Jan 2008 06:55 GMT
>>>> It's a stopped clock that's right once a year...
>>>
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2007/12/time_hackers

It's a dead technology for everyone but governments these days.

When reasonably cheap (for a given value of 'cheap') GPS clocks (accurate to
10 to the -16) became available everyone threw their old cesium beam stuff
in the bin.  That's why you can pick them up for the scrap value these days,
nobody uses them anymore.

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William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Richard Casady - 25 Jan 2008 17:00 GMT
>When reasonably cheap (for a given value of 'cheap') GPS clocks (accurate to
>10 to the -16) became available everyone threw their old cesium beam stuff
>in the bin.  That's why you can pick them up for the scrap value these days,
>nobody uses them anymore.
Those  so called GPS clocks are not clocks at all, they merely report
radio time signals. What does the GPS system use for a clock? Cesium
beam stuff, maybe?

Casady
Billzz - 25 Jan 2008 17:51 GMT
>>When reasonably cheap (for a given value of 'cheap') GPS clocks (accurate
>>to
[quoted text clipped - 7 lines]
>
> Casady

Here is a good answer, but don't ask me to explain it!...

http://www.gpsinformation.net/main/gpstime.htm
Andrew Swallow - 26 Jan 2008 01:21 GMT
>>> When reasonably cheap (for a given value of 'cheap') GPS clocks (accurate
>>> to
[quoted text clipped - 11 lines]
>
> http://www.gpsinformation.net/main/gpstime.htm 

Redrafting the article.

For the last 27 years the Earth has been running a little slow (or
fast).
(Clocks are now more accurate than the Earth as time keepers.)
Greenwich Mean Time has been corrected to allow for this.
The US military forgot to include a way of adjusting the GPS clocks
to the correct time.

Andrew Swallow
William Black - 25 Jan 2008 17:57 GMT
>>When reasonably cheap (for a given value of 'cheap') GPS clocks (accurate
>>to
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
> radio time signals. What does the GPS system use for a clock? Cesium
> beam stuff, maybe?

No idea.

Nobody cares as long as it works.

As I said,  it's now a governmental problem.

Nobody, short of a major government, cares.

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William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Jack Linthicum - 25 Jan 2008 20:01 GMT
On Jan 25, 12:00 pm, richardcas...@earthlink.net (Richard Casady)
wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jan 2008 12:25:05 +0530, "William Black"
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
>
> Casady

http://www.spectracomcorp.com/Home/Applications/GPSClockSynchronization/tabid/10
0/Default.aspx


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Positioning_System
Les Cargill - 25 Jan 2008 23:37 GMT
>> When reasonably cheap (for a given value of 'cheap') GPS clocks (accurate to
>> 10 to the -16) became available everyone threw their old cesium beam stuff
[quoted text clipped - 5 lines]
>
> Casady

It doesn't really matter what's behind it - the economic value of the
GPS signal itself depends on really well-engineered clocking regimes
behind the scenes. It just publishes a clock for your local equipment
to use.

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Les Cargill
Les Cargill - 25 Jan 2008 23:35 GMT
>>>>> It's a stopped clock that's right once a year...
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 18 lines]
> cesium beam stuff in the bin.  That's why you can pick them up for the
> scrap value these days, nobody uses them anymore.

Exactly - but you were talking about having an LO - I thought
perhaps you hobbied in that direction.

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Les Cargill
William Black - 26 Jan 2008 06:25 GMT
>>>>>> It's a stopped clock that's right once a year...
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 22 lines]
> Exactly - but you were talking about having an LO - I thought
> perhaps you hobbied in that direction.

Good grief no.

Everyone with a TV has a local oscillator.

I was never a radio amateur,  I was always a radio professional. :-)

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William Black

I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland
I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate
All these moments will be lost in time,  like icecream on the beach
Time for tea.

Brian Sharrock - 26 Jan 2008 07:34 GMT
>>>>> It's a stopped clock that's right once a year...
>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 4 lines]
>>>
>>> One that tells me it's dawn on midsummer's day is of little use to me...

AIUIl your statement is backwards ......

When it's dawn (and specific alignments are observed) it tells you that it
_is_ midsummer's day!
It demonstrated the day not the time (dawn).

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Brian
Eugene Griessel - 26 Jan 2008 07:50 GMT
>>>>>> It's a stopped clock that's right once a year...
>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 10 lines]
>_is_ midsummer's day!
>It demonstrated the day not the time (dawn).

Was it Bob Newhart, in one of his sketches (on henge building), who
said "lets scrape the snow off and see" on being told it indicated
midsummer.

Eugene L Griessel

  Smash forehead on keyboard to continue...

         -  I usually post only from Sci.Military.Naval  -
John Briggs - 26 Jan 2008 14:41 GMT
>>>>>>> It's a stopped clock that's right once a year...
>>>>>>
[quoted text clipped - 16 lines]
> said "lets scrape the snow off and see" on being told it indicated
> midsummer.

He might have been right - the reverse alignment indicates sunset in
midwinter...
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John Briggs

 
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