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History Forum / General / British History / April 2008CARTER: Shunned by Israel - Hero to Hamas - Link TV
http://www.linktv.org/video/2487 The usual Jew-hating bullshit... Jimmy Carter has been misguided on this peace expedition. Hamas is offering a 10 year truce to Israel which in itself infers that a state of [future] war will exist between them. Again, no whiff or hint of recognition in exchange for the conquered territories. The Hama peace package is a nonstarter and is like old wine poured into a fresh bottle. Cheers, David H ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > The usual Jew-hating bullshit... In article <e4e5eb29-263a-4866-ae6e-9e8539240ca4@d45g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > Jimmy Carter has been misguided on this peace expedition. > Hamas is offering a 10 year truce to Israel which in itself [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > > > The usual Jew-hating bullshit... Zionist hating bullshit at worst. Jews and Arabs, Muslim and Christian, have lived side by side for a thousand years before the Zionist Nazis came. Hamas said that if Fatah achieves an agreement that is ratified by the Palestinian people, they will abide by it. Of course that would mean that Israeli colonialism and conquest would have to end. Not everyone wants that. A one state solution would be the destruction of Israel and the right of return, but that may allow for the settlement to stay but without their arrogance.  SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >Hamas said STFU fool. > >Hamas said > > STFU fool. Ah, the flange heads are back. THE FIRST AMENDMENT IS WHAT WE WERE TALKING ABOUT MY IMPETUOUS ANAL SPHINCTER. Jimmy is there to make sure that both sides are heard from. You can crawl back under your rock now. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >MY IMPETUOUS ANAL SPHINCTER Jimmy is there. Go away, forever. > >MY IMPETUOUS ANAL SPHINCTER Jimmy is there. > > Go away, forever. Speaking of which, how can I miss you if you won't go away, MY IMPETUOUS ANAL SPHINCTER. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >> >MY IMPETUOUS ANAL SPHINCTER Jimmy is there. >> >> Go away, forever. > >Speaking No more. >> > The usual Jew-hating bullshit... > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > the right of return, but that may allow for the settlement to stay but > without their arrogance. If you destroy the state of Israel, then the so-called "right to return" becomes an actuality doesn't it? So, how can there be "settlements", if there is not state of Israel? > >> > The usual Jew-hating bullshit... > > [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > becomes an actuality doesn't it? So, how can there be "settlements", if > there is not state of Israel? The point is, the settlement people can stay in their houses. The county? Call it Semiteland. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >> >> > The usual Jew-hating bullshit... >> > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > The point is, the settlement people can stay in their houses. The > county? Call it Semiteland. Do you really believe that the country of Palestine would allow them to remain in what would now be their land? > >> >> > The usual Jew-hating bullshit... > >> > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > Do you really believe that the country of Palestine would allow them to > remain in what would now be their land? The locals here hated fags . . . . until they found out that they had money;-) SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >The locals here hated fags . . But you were resilient, eh mate? > >The locals here hated fags . . > > But you were resilient, eh mate? Indeed, gays and lesbians are now accepted members of society. Vermin need not apply. Buzz off creep. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >> >The locals here hated fags . . >> >> But you were resilient, eh mate? > >Indeed, gays and Sod off, twinky... > >> >The locals here hated fags . . > >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Sod off, twinky... What? Another homophobe? Jeez, next time I'll remember to wipe my feet before I come in here. You guys are so seventeenth century. Get a life. How do you feel about drinking and dancing? I get to lead;-) SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >> >> >The locals here hated fags . . >> >> [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > >What? Go away. >> >> >The locals here hated fags . . >> >> [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] > before I come in here. You guys are so seventeenth century. Get a life. > How do you feel about drinking and dancing? I get to lead;-) And you are? Perphas a racist, since you don't seem to like the jewish people? > >> >> >The locals here hated fags . . > >> >> [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > And you are? Perphas a racist, since you don't seem to like the jewish > people? If your name is any indication, you are the dumbest Jap I ever met. The smartest was my friend Richard Numata, who was just a human being. Take notes now, being racist by hating Jews is a lot like being racist because you hate Christians. Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_groups . I have said time after time that I am not against Jews (whatever their ethnicity) and I am not against Christianity BUT I don't support Zionists or the Klu Klux Klan. Got it? If you are just trying to bait me, there is no conversation and I may as well point out what an insensitive and ignorant (invective of choice here) you are. -------- As far as racism is concerned: Rabbi Lior is considered among the most learned sages of the Torah. "Without any doubt, he is among the most learned scholars of the Torah, but he is viewed as an extremist among some liberal sectors," said Rabbi Menachem Froman from the Tku' settlement near Bethlehem. "...a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail" Rabbi Dov Lior, Chairman of the Jewish Rabbinical Council Froman said he did not agree with Lior's views, calling them controversial. "I believe that Judaism is against killing innocent people. One of the main commandments of the Torah is 'thou shall not murder.'" However, after speaking to many rabbis, it is clear that Lior's views and interpretation of Jewish Law enjoy far more popularity and acceptance than Froman's relatively dovish interpretations. ------- Would you call that racism? Hmmmm? A one state solution isn't the end of the world ad could bring peace. You asked about the right of return. Return to where? To their homes. Is that so terrible and a reason to make some 5 million people live as virtual prisoners? SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related > you are the dumbest Jap I ever met Nice one Billy, way to play the old race card and prove what vermin you are. >> >> >> >The locals here hated fags . . >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > because you hate Christians. Look at > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_ethnic_groups . You just confirmed what I implied... > >> >> >> >The locals here hated fags . . > >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > > You just confirmed what I implied... Are we in the same universe? Jews aren't a racial group, period. They are an ethnic group, as Christians are. Christianity also started in the land of Abraham. Are Christians a racial group? There are white Jews, brown Jews, black jews, and Asian Jews. Moreover, race is a cultural construct that doesn't exist in nature. All homo sapiens belong to the only race and that is the human race. All of our ancestors came out of Africa. If you want to go xenophobe and identify us and them, then what does them look like? SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >> >> >> >> >The locals here hated fags . . >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 20 lines] >Are we in the same universe? Jews aren't a racial group, period. They >are an ethnic group, as Christians are. Nooooo..racist Billy they are and can be either, or both, depending on linneage and choice. What a pile of aussie dung you are. >> >> >> >> >The locals here hated fags . . >> >> >> >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > Africa. If you want to go xenophobe and identify us and them, then what > does them look like? I was responding to your use of the word "jap".... > >> >> .. > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 32 lines] > > does them look like? > I was responding to your use of the word "jap".... Did you read it in context or are you just resisting talking about the subject? In light of the above, do you think I was trying to denigrate you. You know, you keep jumping around like this is a game of chess. If you don't know anything or don't want to know anything, I can find other things to do. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >> >> >> .. >> >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 34 lines] > >Did you read it in context Oh my, scumbag Billy thinks racism has a "context"....how sick.... >> >> >> .. >> >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 45 lines] > you don't know anything or don't want to know anything, I can find other > things to do. It does not make any difference. You could have made your point without resorting to the use of the word. But you choose to use that word. > >> >> .. > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > It does not make any difference. You could have made your point without > resorting to the use of the word. But you choose to use that word. As my friend Richard Numata used to say, "That's very white of you". You've become very sensitive lately. Before you would regail us with stories of beating up the howlis. This is going nowhere, so good bye. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related > >> >> .. > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 53 lines] > It does not make any difference. You could have made your point without > resorting to the use of the word. But you choose to use that word. One last thing. Richard used to tell me that he was too American for the Japanese and to Japanese for the Americans. I hope it works out better for you than it did for him. Aloha. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related > In article <rcru04p4p2b9ji83cso7jtaar7a63so...@4ax.com>, > [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Frankly, I don't know who you are abd I don't know what you are talking about. You might want to study Jerry's remarks on JIMMY CARTER'S MISSION TO THE HAMAS AUTHORITY IN GAZA. Carter said the Secretary of State did NOT warn him of ANY REPERCUSSIONS for speaking to the Hamas leaders. The decision not to warn Carter is intellectually sound as well as politically correct. In article <4c4fd2d1-0cd3-4aec-949e-28899621f87f@m3g2000hsc.googlegroups.com>, > > In article <rcru04p4p2b9ji83cso7jtaar7a63so...@4ax.com>, > > [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] > is > intellectually sound as well as politically correct. What a strange concept, that anything the Bush administration has done was intellectually or politically correct. I note that you didn't push too far and suggest that they were honest;-) SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >What a strange concept, that anything the Bush administration has done >was intellectually or politically correct. What a sick pile of aussie dung, was it bad to send Aids relief funding to Africa? > >What a strange concept, that anything the Bush administration has done > >was intellectually or politically correct. > > What a sick pile of aussie dung, was it bad to send Aids relief > funding to Africa? Your not very good at this are you? Aussie dung can be very beneficial for gardens but it should be aged for at least six months. You don't want to aid your cousins in time of need? Is that what you are trying to say? Aren't you embarrassed saying really stupid stuff like that in public? It's not even a complete thought. But thanks for participating;-) SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >> >What a strange concept, that anything the Bush administration has done >> >was intellectually or politically correct. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >Aussie dung can be very beneficial for gardens but it should be aged for >at least six months. Good, let's just get you the f.ck out of here for six months, that'll work! It's time for true statesmanship and gutsy leadership that gathers strength from peacemaking, not saber-rattling. While George Bush's war mongering has made the U.S. hated all over the world, this week former president <http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/dia/track.jsp?v=2&c=l09HIOmfLy7dMrRcV EaUmchb%2BGQfonGp>Jimmy Carter's courageous efforts in the Middle East could be crucial steps toward restoring peace to the region. After all, Carter negotiated the only lasting peace in the Middle East -- the Egypt-Israel peace accord that has prevented an Arab-Israeli war ever since. The US mainstream media has blasted Carter for meeting with leaders of Hamas--the party that won the January 2006 elections in Palestine. We, on the other hand appreciate his tremendous courage and conviction: by agreeing to talk with Hamas, Carter is staying true to America's democratic principles of recognizing the legitimacy of a representative government, while underscoring the hypocrisy of the US mainstream media and the White House. The UK's Guardian Unlimited best describes Carter's foresight and political pragmatism: Carter understood that no matter how odious one might find Hamas, there simply is no alternative to dealing with them. And in negotiating with them, Carter was only doing what Israel and the US should be doing themselves. In fact, many experts in both countries predict that the US and Israel will eventually be doing this themselves despite all protestations to the contrary. -- Code Pink SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >It's time for true statesmanship and gutsy leadership It's time for you sod off walkabout you aussie racist scumbag... >> >> >> > The usual Jew-hating bullshit... >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > The locals here hated fags . . . . until they found out that they had > money;-) After my time living in thise islands. But I suspect that if there was hatred, and now there is no hatred, it has very lttle to do with how much money they have, but an acceptance of that life style. White folks were also hated on thse islands, and they also had money. They were routinely beaten up simply for being what they were...it was a sport when I was younger. > >> >> .. > >> >> >> > The usual Jew-hating bullshit... [quoted text clipped - 36 lines] > beaten up simply for being what they were...it was a sport when I was > younger. Again, Jews and Arabs, Christian and Muslim, cohabitated in relative peace for over a thousand years. It is the specter of an ethically cleansed Israel that is driving this conflict. It has little to do with religion, as in Ireland, and is all about power and money. Hitler wanted an ethnically cleansed Germany, and the KKK want a White-Christian America. To the leaders the ends are the means to wealth and power, in the furtherance of cheap, shallow, avarice. But the bigots are nurtured, and abound. "...a thousand non-Jewish lives are not worth a Jew's fingernail" Rabbi Dov Lior, Chairman of the Jewish Rabbinical Council SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >Jews and Arabs, Christian and Muslim, cohabitated in relative >peace for over a thousand years. You're balmy! > >Jews and Arabs, Christian and Muslim, cohabitated in relative > >peace for over a thousand years. > > You're balmy! And you're f.cking nut case. Come back when you're cured. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >> >Jews and Arabs, Christian and Muslim, cohabitated in relative >> >peace for over a thousand years. >> >> You're balmy! > >And you're f.cking nut case. Billy, f.ck off, leave, now. > >> >Jews and Arabs, Christian and Muslim, cohabitated in relative > >> >peace for over a thousand years. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > Billy, f.ck off, leave, now. Listen twerp, adults are talking here so why don't you go back to your room? You can play "stupid terrorist" later. You are playing, right (stupid, that is)? While you're in your room, you should look up the First Amendment to the Constitution of the United States and the twentieth clause to the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. Otherwise your going to end up as background noise, like frogs croaking. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >> >> >Jews and Arabs, Christian and Muslim, cohabitated in relative >> >> >peace for over a thousand years. [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >Listen twerp, adults are talking Listen to them then , leave. >> >> >> .. >> >> >> >> > The usual Jew-hating bullshit... [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] > America. To the leaders the ends are the means to wealth and power, in > the furtherance of cheap, shallow, avarice. The key phrase is "relative peace"... As for your claim that it is the specter of an "ethically clenased Israel", if that is what they are doing, then they are doing a lousy job of that, since http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_citizens_of_Israel. As for the reason, it is simple. They want their own country, it has little to do with money and power. If the Jewish people want money and power, they can get that in other counries without the risk of getting killed. > >> >> .. > >> >> > [quoted text clipped - 64 lines] > to do with money and power. If the Jewish people want money and power, they > can get that in other counries without the risk of getting killed. Light bends when it goes by you. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related >Light bends when it goes by you. And extinguishes in your impenetrable darkness. > Jimmy Carter has been misguided on this peace expedition. > Hamas is offering a 10 year truce to Israel which in itself [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > Cheers, David H > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Seems to me that a genuine 10-year truce, on whatever future basis, would be a miracle. If held, it could offer infinite possibilities for a more permanent future settlement. But it possibly wouldn't be held of course. But worth trying. Surreyman > > Jimmy Carter has been misguided on this peace expedition. > > Hamas is offering a 10 year truce to Israel which in itself [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > > Surreyman Unfortunately Hamas is demanding that Israel return to the 1967 borders before the truce takes place, which isn't going to happen. They must know this so how sincere is the proposal? Joe In article <storey2617hinds-ya02408000R2204081612520001@news.u.washington.edu>, > > > Jimmy Carter has been misguided on this peace expedition. > > > Hamas is offering a 10 year truce to Israel which in itself [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > Joe Hamas is in no position to make demands. What Hamas said was that if the Palestinian people approved the treaty with a referendum, they would accept it. In any event, it is against international law to seize territory by military occupation. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related > In article > <storey2617hinds-ya02408000R2204081612520...@news.u.washington.edu>, [quoted text clipped - 35 lines] > > http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ That law is illogical. It is like saying it is "against the law" to win a battle....or a war. It should be legal to create buffer zones or buffer states after one has successfully beat back an aggressor or a league of martial powers. David H ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ In article <d3b88fcd-41f6-4636-a0ad-b763218d82d5@t54g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>, > > In article > > <storey2617hinds-ya02408000R2204081612520...@news.u.washington.edu>, [quoted text clipped - 46 lines] > David H > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Oh, it's legal to occupy, although this was a preemptory war. The Israelis weren't aggressed in '67, while they shot up the U.S.S. Liberty. However, it's not legal, under international law, to impose group punishment or to seize land. Resistance, however, is a recognized right. Again, initially, Israel was to be a multi-ethnic state under the U.N. Charter, but that wasn't good enough for the Zionists. Why do I have to keep repeating this. Go to Wikipedia. Look up "Single State", King David Hotel, Folke Bernadotte, Shin Bet, Irgun, Stern Gang. The emblem of Irgun shows the land claimed by the organization for the Jewish state, which corresponds to current Israel, West Bank, Gaza strip and Jordan. Learn your history. SignatureBilly http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=7WBB0svwMdY&feature=related |
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