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History Forum / General / British History / May 2008Progress for the Cornish language
"For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon a major stumbling block when no-one could agree on how it should be written. Now, after more than two years of passionate negotiations, the different factions have finally streamlined the many versions of their language to create a new Standard Written Form. The resolution means the path has been cleared for Cornish to get official acceptance and funding, with support from the EU. It will be used in education, on brochures, pamphlets and on street signs." Read the whole story in the Torygraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/05/21/noindex/corn ish.xml James > "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the > Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > James Newodhow da !!! >> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > >Newodhow da !!! What's that, good news? Or are you being rude? I see you've added a newsgroup. I quoted the story in scs for its relevance to the efforts to establish a written Scots standard. James >>> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >>> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > I see you've added a newsgroup. I quoted the story in scs for its > relevance to the efforts to establish a written Scots standard. It is quite a problem isn't it? Not so much for Cornish as it is basically in all its forms a reconstructed language anyway. However Scots will always be seen as a bit of a sub-language by some as it has no strict written form (though there are less rigid existing conventions of course) but if you teach a single written form it would need to not be at the expense of the existing living dialects. Allan >>>> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >>>> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 28 lines] >teach a single written form it would need to not be at the expense of the >existing living dialects. Which is pretty difficult. The very principle of selecting one standard form means choosing a form that some people use at the expense of something that a lot of other people use. Somebody has to lose. The official Scots form of "what" is more likely to be "whit" than "fit", for example. Still, countries like Norway and Greece have managed to create a standard written language in the last 100-150 years. And Ulster has beaten us to it with a standardised written language. Maybe we could just adopt that? James >>>>> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >>>>> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > beaten us to it with a standardised written language. Maybe we could > just adopt that? There already is a kind of recommended standard as laid out in the Recommendations For Writing In Scots and related works and the conventions of grammar are laid out in "Scots Grammar and Usage by David Purves. I've been to meetings of the Scots Language Society and seen the arguments first hand though. On one side there are the people (for eg Billy Kay)who are confident with the reality of Scots as it is and happy with the obvious relationship with English - on the other hand there are those who strive to make it as different from English as they possibly can get away with. Allan >>>>>> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >>>>>> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 50 lines] >relationship with English - on the other hand there are those who strive to >make it as different from English as they possibly can get away with. You mean the kind of people who would call a vacuum cleaner a "stour-sucker". The website of the Scottish Place-Name Society has a good story on the subject of street signs and Ulster Scots: "The Irish News of 18 10. 99 reported that new street signs in Ulster Scots erected by Castlereagh council, Northern Ireland, were ripped down by loyalists who thought they were in Irish Gaelic. No sooner had the signs been erected on walls at Tullyard Way in a lavish ceremony attended by beaming council chiefs than they were pulled down by loyalists on what they thought was an anti-Irish mission. The offending sign read Tullyard Way, with the Ulster-Scots version Heichbrae Eirt below. A local councillor was quoted as saying 'It was the residents who requested the signs and when they were put up we informed them by letter. But a lot of people weren't quite sure what language they were in.'" http://www.spns.org.uk/oldnotes2.htm Another Irish joke... James >>There already is a kind of recommended standard as laid out in the >>Recommendations For Writing In Scots and related works and the conventions [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > You mean the kind of people who would call a vacuum cleaner a > "stour-sucker". Well yes that type of thing. There are some people (often not themselves speakers of any actual dialect of Scots) who will avoid as much as they can using any shared vocab that Scots has with English, which just doesn't really work naturally as Scots and English share a great deal of the vocab, hence you are left with an artificial sounding form of speech defined solely by its relationship with English, rather than just being what it is. If that makes sense? At the meeting I was at there were a group who insisted that the name "Scots Language Society" should be changed to "Scots Lied Associe" even though both language and society are as much Scots as English words. In the end to keep the peace they decided to use both names which seems on the face of it a bit pointless. I imagine the vast majority of Scots speakers wouldn't have a clue as to what a "lied associe" actually is! Good one about the street signs. Allan >>> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >>> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > > James You are right,it is Cornish for "good news". Since your post had great relevance to the Cornish, I added the soc.culture.cornish newsgroup. Thanks for clarifying your intentions in making the post and good luck with doing the same for Scots. >>>> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >>>> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > > You are right,it is Cornish for "good news". Isn't there supposed to be an 'aaarrrr' in there somewhere? > Since your post had great > relevance to the Cornish, I added the soc.culture.cornish newsgroup. > Thanks for clarifying your intentions in making the post and good luck > with doing the same for Scots.  Signature"For the stronger we our houses do build, The less chance we have of being killed." - William Topaz McGonagall >>>>> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >>>>> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > >Isn't there supposed to be an 'aaarrrr' in there somewhere? You're confusing Cornish with Mummerset. >> Since your post had great >> relevance to the Cornish, I added the soc.culture.cornish newsgroup. >> Thanks for clarifying your intentions in making the post and good luck >> with doing the same for Scots. > "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the > Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/05/21/noindex/corn ish.xml Cool. And btw, reading this makes me want to pick up a Cornish pasty for lunch. - nilita >> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >Cool. And btw, reading this makes me want to pick up a Cornish pasty for >lunch. Have you heard the story that Cornish pasties originally contained two courses, savoury at one end and sweet at the other, to provide a handy complete packed lunch for miners? Well, you have now. James >>> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >>> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Well, you have now. That's interesting. I don't imagine that in small town Canada it is made in quite the traditional way. And, btw, it was in an Irish Rovers owned pub, The Unicorn, that many years ago in Calgary I learned to enjoy such comfort food as Cornish pasties and Scotch eggs. - nilita >>> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >>> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > > Well, you have now. Certainly in Cornwall the pasties still come in all kind of flavours including fruit. We were down a mine 'somewhere near Falmouth' and the guide said the crusts were made the way they are to enable them to be held on to with dirty hands. Then part of the crust would be thrown down for the 'knockers' or 'tommy-knockers' to eat. The miners believed that these creatures lived in the recesses and that they needed to be fed to ward off bad luck. Allan > James Then there is the Moon Pie -- also designed for miners. DSH > Have you heard the story that Cornish pasties originally contained two > courses, savoury at one end and sweet at the other, to provide a handy [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > James > Then there is the Moon Pie -- also designed for miners. > [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >> >> Well, you have now. Please explain the obscure reference. In "Flyover" America, the almost endless swathe of Red states, a "Moon Pie" is a sweet confectionary (an overweight Oreo on steroids) to be shared, at least among the Illuminati, with that now rarely encountered, once popular vintage cola, an "RC" ("Royal Crown"). Next you'll be telling us that "Grapette" was produced by the "methode champagnois" (Sp?) and that Tom's or Lance's peanuts do not profit from being poured down the neck of the Dr. Pepper bottle. TMO > > Then there is the Moon Pie -- also designed for miners. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > TMO http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/a/a 1/MoonPie_logo_trademark.gif&imgrefurl=http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-relig ion/2013940/posts&h=330&w=305&sz=17&tbnid=AP-W5E9JRecJ:&tbnh=119&tbnw=110&prev=/ images%3Fq%3Dmoon%2Bpie&hl=en&sa=X&oi=image_result&resnum=1&ct=image&cd=1 http://www.moonpie.com/ and the miners http://www.moonpie.com/hist_text.asp never forget Hines' Kentucky roots Yes, that's the MoonPie I'm referring to. Designed for miners to pack in their lunch boxes. The story is right on each box of MoonPies. DSH >> Then there is the MoonPie -- also designed for miners. >> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > TMO [top posting corrected] >>> Then there is the MoonPie -- also designed for miners. >>> [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > >The story is right on each box of MoonPies. In other words, it has virtually nothing in common with the Cornish pasty that I described. That Cornish pasty was not a trademarked sweet that miners put in their lunchbox. It WAS the lunchbox, and the miners ate the whole thing, which contained both main course and dessert. James > In other words, it has virtually nothing in common with the Cornish > pasty that I described. That Cornish pasty was not a trademarked sweet > that miners put in their lunchbox. It WAS the lunchbox, and the miners > ate the whole thing, Not entirely accurate old chap. The point of the hard crust around the edge was that the miners could eat the meat and dessert and then discard the dirty crust. I guess tin mine washing facilities weren't up to much back then. >> In other words, it has virtually nothing in common with the Cornish >> pasty that I described. That Cornish pasty was not a trademarked sweet [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] > the dirty crust. > I guess tin mine washing facilities weren't up to much back then. I get the impression that a lot of countries/cultures have their own version of cornish pasties. I will occasionally pick one up at the local bakery in this part of Canada, and it kind of reminds me of empanadas that my Chilean friends taught me to make. - nilita There are Cornish Pasties... Then there are Hollywood Pasties, which can also be found in many a strip joint. A veritable staple of American Life. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas >> In other words, it has virtually nothing in common with the Cornish >> pasty that I described. That Cornish pasty was not a trademarked sweet [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >dirty crust. >I guess tin mine washing facilities weren't up to much back then. Mining in Cornwall - and elsewhere where Cornish miners worked - was metal mining. There are lots of really good reasons to avoid eating the dust of lot of metal ores. As for washing facilities - never in the lifetime of copper mining in the UK, not in the lifetime of lead or zinc mining, only right at the end (as in the last 60-odd years) for tin mining. In coal mining IIRC pithead baths being very much a post-war thing, one of the fruits of the nationalised industry trying to improve conditions (it's possible that some of the more progressive coal-owners may have started pre- war). Naval connection: late 18th century copper boom in Cornwall driven by demand for copper sheet to antifoul warships. Spread of Cornish mining techniques to other metal-mining areas followed tail- off in demand from 1814... SignatureAndy Breen ~ Not speaking on behalf of the University of Wales, Aberystwyth Feng Shui: an ancient oriental art for extracting money from the gullible (Martin Sinclair) > Yes, that's the MoonPie I'm referring to. > > Designed for miners to pack in their lunch boxes. > > The story is right on each box of MoonPies. Up front, be advised that the average consumer of "Moon Pies" may be too young to read well enough to comprehend the tale, or in the case of adult consumers, educationally indifferently prepared for literacy. They ain't the food of the elite! TMO >>> Then there is the MoonPie -- also designed for miners. >>> [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] >> >> TMO MoonPies... They're delicious. Particularly the banana ones. A close woman friend is extremely fond of them. No, not fat at all -- she's quite slim. The Common Folks have it here all over the self-appointed "ELITE" tastes. Smart Word has it that Hillary loves them -- but doesn't overdo it. DSH >> Yes, that's the MoonPie I'm referring to. >> [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] >>> >>> TMO > MoonPies... > [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] > > DSH chocolate , graham crakers and marshmallow. whats not to like. >chocolate , graham crakers and marshmallow. whats not to like. The marshmallow. I loath the stuff. Casady > Yes, that's the MoonPie I'm referring to. > [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > > > > TMO imagine a half moon shaped pastry like a calzone filled with pork and apple and backed, all very fillin and tasty, not a snack but a lunch the pork being the savory and the apple the sweet. > > Then there is the Moon Pie -- also designed for miners. > [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > TMO ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Really now, Oliver. I don't think the Brits want to hear about our Southern comfort foods, which btw extend to Raspa (flavored shaved ice) and the Big Red (cream soda pop) in Texas. RC Cola went the way of the San Antonio "Hippo Size" soda pops of the 1960's. Royal Crown Cola fought an uphill battle against Pepsi and Coca Cola. Orange Crush gave up and moved their bottling plant into Mexico. As for Grapette, it was fine as French wine and always left me thirsty for another... back in the days. Cheers, Singanas on the Coast ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Then there are White Lightning and Chitlins... And don't forget Black-Eyed Peas and Parsnips. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas >> > Then there is the Moon Pie -- also designed for miners. >> [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > Cheers, Singanas on the Coast And put on another two or three pounds. DSH >> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 17 lines] > > - nilita > "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the > Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > James Better to read from the Gruiniad http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jun/14/terrorism.ukcrime http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2007/jun/14/terrorism.ukcrime > "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the > Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Read the whole story in the Torygraph: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/05/21/noindex/corn ish.xml > James further proof the tower of babel is one of the truest parables in the bible. at a time britain is under cultural siege idiot academics are compounding the problem. let's revive hittite while we're at it. >> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] >the problem. >let's revive hittite while we're at it. The Tower of Babel "worked" not because of the multiplicity of languages but by the failure to know more than one. >> "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the >> Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] >at a time britain is under cultural siege idiot academics are compounding >the problem. The only idiots are those who don't know that Cornish *is* part of British culture. >let's revive hittite while we're at it. Why not? > "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the > Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Read the whole story in the Torygraph: Wonderful. I can just see it now. "What are your qualifications for this job"? Answer - I can speak Cornish". I've been to Cornwall many times, they speak English, fortunately for them, or they would have no tourist trade. How long before street signs in Brixton are in Urdu and Swahili"? > http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/main.jhtml?xml=/global/2008/05/21/n... > > James On May 22, 12:48 am, James Hogg <Jas.Hogg...@SPAM.gmail.com> wrote: > "For hundreds of years a band of scholars have fought to get the > Cornish language recognised and revived in Britain, but they hit upon [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Read the whole story in the Torygraph: Wonderful. I can just see it now. "What are your qualifications for this job"? Answer - I can speak Cornish". I've been to Cornwall many times, they speak English, fortunately for them, or they would have no tourist trade. How long before street signs in Brixton are in Urdu and Swahili"? Hardly comparable though as Cornish culture in general, even if the langauge is only now spoken by a few thousand, is indiginous "for want of a better word" to the place. Indiginous to Cornwall and of course by default indiginous to England itself. It is only about giving one of England's languages a bit of a help rather than making Cornwall officially bilingual like Wales is. I can't see how seeing the odd pamphlet or sign in Cornish would be detrimental to tourism. In fact it would possibly give most people a better feeling of being on holiday abd being somewhere different. It hasn't exactly done the Highlands any harm. Allan > <Boedi...@isp.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 37 lines] > > Allan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ What exactly is Cornwall's contribution to the world ? The folk cuisine ? A great university or prep school ? A great author, politician, or scientist ? What about a famous native plant or animal such as the Cornish chicken ? Let's not keep Cornwall's greatness a secret any longer ! Cheers, David H ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >> <Boedi...@isp.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 39 lines] >~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ >What exactly is Cornwall's contribution to the world ? Two letters: Sn. People came from all over the place to buy tin in Cornwall. But that was back in the bronze age. Nowadays tourists come for the sunny weather. We're living in a different kind of bronze age. > A great author, politician, or scientist ? My fellow poet W.S. Graham, although born in Glasgow, spent most of his life in Cornwall. There are those who rate his poetry even more highly than mine. You can sample his work here: http://www.7greenhill.freeserve.co.uk/forest.html http://www.7greenhill.freeserve.co.uk/graham.html James > What exactly is Cornwall's contribution to the world ? > The folk cuisine ? A great university or prep school ? > A great author, politician, or scientist ? > What about a famous native plant or animal such as the > Cornish chicken ? Let's not keep Cornwall's greatness a > secret any longer ! Richard Trevithick & the high-pressure steam engine ... > Cheers, David H > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ SignatureAlan Smaill On May 23, 1:33 am, "Singanas@Texasgulfcoast" <davidholi...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > <Boedi...@isp.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 48 lines] > Cheers, David H > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~- Have yu never heard of Cornish Pasties!! Shame on you. Not forgetting, of course that Land's End is located there. I was there last in 2004 and took a tour of the tin mines. Naturally, like everything they are closed since "it's cheaper to import tin from Equador" or some such place, just as it's cheaper to import Jap and German cars than keep the Coventry factories going. Most of the B&B's are owned by evryone other than the Cornish and the Asians naturally own all the takeways. Why anyone in Cornwall would want to resurrect a dead language is beyond me. Probably to give them a "sense of self-esteem". "We have this course (the advantages of black hair) in order to give them (the blacks) a sense of self-esteem". Berkeley U. Have we all gone mad. Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text - >> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~- > [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > I was there last in 2004 and took a tour of the tin mines. Hoping to see Joseph of Arimathea, no doubt. ROTFL! >Naturally, like everything they are closed since "it's cheaper to >import tin from >Equador" or some such place, just as it's cheaper >to import Jap and German cars than keep the Coventry factories going. They're also a lot more reliable. >Most of the B&B's are owned by evryone other than the Cornish and the >Asians naturally own all the takeways. Why anyone in Cornwall would >want to resurrect a dead language >is beyond me. Most things are beyond you. Cornish is worth preserving because it's a part of indigenous British culture. >robably to give them a "sense of >self-esteem". [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > >Have we all gone mad. You certainly have. No, I take that back - you were probably born that way. > Hide quoted text - >> >> - Show quoted text - > On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:34:21 -0700 (PDT), "Boedi...@isp.com" > [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > > Hoping to see Joseph of Arimathea, no doubt. ROTFL! Says the trendy know-it-all atheist whose grasp of history is about as strong as his grasp of his lovely nun's habir. > >Naturally, like everything they are closed since "it's cheaper to > >import tin from > >Equador" or some such place, just as it's cheaper > >to import Jap and German cars than keep the Coventry factories going. > > They're also a lot more reliable. My Grandfather had a Humber Hawk, my Father drove a Morris Minor, *I* drove a Beitish car when I served in the military (oops mustn't mention the military or he'll swoon). All my my family worked in the Coventry car factories and all owned British cars, they ran just fine. What do *you* drive or haven't you managed to get a license yet? > >Most of the B&B's are owned by evryone other than the Cornish and the > >Asians naturally own all the takeways. Why anyone in Cornwall would [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > Most things are beyond you. Cornish is worth preserving because it's a > part of indigenous British culture. Rubbish. Speaking Cornish will do nothing for anyone either in Cornwall or any other part of the British Isles, neither will it enable them to earn more money or enable their children to get ahead. In fact, just like you daft lot, it will hold them back, since English is the language of the world and has been since Lassie was a pup. > >robably to give them a "sense of > >self-esteem". [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > > You certainly have. No, I take that back - you were probably born that way. Says the idiot who says that people should "get a big dog" to defend themselves if and when a feral gang of gypos breaks in and attacks them. I have a better idea, blow them to bits with the biggest gun you can lay your hands on. Tell me are you still in your "late 40's and single"? - April 28, 2007. If I were you I'd start looking for a mate preferably a nice girl before it's too late. If you can't find a girl, not to worry, there are oodles of others who are in the same position as yourself up there in the frozen north, even if their names are "Angus", "Bwuth" and "Jeremy". I always make sure to respond to your drivel within the time limit you request every time you post, although why you insist on having your stuff removed after "3 days" "5 days" "6 days" is still a mystery. Why on earth do you do it. > > Hide quoted text - > > >> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >> On Fri, 23 May 2008 22:34:21 -0700 (PDT), "Boedi...@isp.com" >> [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >of history is about as strong as his grasp >of his lovely nun's habir. History, is it? The simple fact is that there's scant historical evidence of JoA's existence, let alone of his owning tin mines in Cornwall and bringing his 'nephew' to see them. Where on earth do you dig up this nonsense? Did it never occur to ask yourself why anyone would remember the event, even if it had happened? "This is my nephew, Jesus. They're going to crucify him in a few years' time." Aye, right! >> >Naturally, like everything they are closed since "it's cheaper to >> >import tin from [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] >ran just fine. What do *you* drive or haven't you managed to get a >license yet? Over the years I've had everything from a Mini to a Range Rover, with a couple of 'Dagenham Dustbins' thrown in for good measure. None was particularly impressive in its reliability. The Range Rover in particular (built in Solihull) was easily the most unreliable heap I've ever owned. The Volvos I've had since then have given me almost 20 years of virtually trouble-free motoring. So there! >> >Most of the B&B's are owned by evryone other than the Cornish and the >> >Asians naturally own all the takeways. Why anyone in Cornwall would [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >Cornwall or any other part of the >British Isles, neither will it enable them to earn more money Another one who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing! It's not about economic advantage, it's about preserving what's left of their culture. Of course, as an invading 'Saxon' (snigger), you'd be quite happy to see it obliterated. > or >enable their children to get ahead. In fact, just like you daft lot, >it will hold them back, And here you're quite wrong. There is considerable evidence to suggest that children raised bilingually perform better in academic terms than their monoglot peers. They certainly find it easier to learn a third language. > since English is the language of the world and >has been since Lassie was a pup. If Lassie was a pup 70 years ago, I might agree. It wasn't the case before that. >> >robably to give them a "sense of >> >self-esteem". [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >them. I have a better idea, blow them to bits with the biggest gun >you can lay your hands on. But of course. It's what all good xtians would do, after all. >Tell me are you still in your "late 40's and single"? - April 28, >2007. I have never been in my "late 40's and single". Have you stopped having sex with your son? You must be getting pretty desperate if you're having to fabricate quotes and dates. >If I were you I'd start looking for a mate preferably a nice girl >before it's too late. [quoted text clipped - 5 lines] >I always make sure to respond to your drivel within the time limit you >request every time you post, I don't request any time limit. If you weren't so clueless about how Usenet works, you would know that. > although why you insist on having your >stuff removed after "3 days" "5 days" "6 days" is still >a mystery. Why on earth do you do it. I keep telling you - because it bugs you. It also gives me an opportunity to show the world what an idiot you are every time you raise the subject. And then did his usual "Remove my post after 6 days" drivel, although he refuses to say why. > On Sat, 24 May 2008 20:28:08 -0700 (PDT), "Boedi...@isp.com" > [quoted text clipped - 18 lines] > History, is it? The simple fact is that there's scant historical > evidence of JoA's existence, There will be "scant evidence" that *you ever existed if your birth records are ever destroyed, not that *that* would be a bad thing. He existed. He requested that the body of Christ be given to him for buriel. Christ was buried in a tomb that he had meant for himself. It's known as history. let alone of his owning tin mines in > Cornwall and bringing his 'nephew' to see them. Where on earth do you > dig up this nonsense? Did it never occur to ask yourself why anyone > would remember the event, even if it had happened? "This is my nephew, > Jesus. They're going to crucify him in a few years' time." Aye, right! You are a moron. Take a trip to Glastonbury and you will see history. > >> >Naturally, like everything they are closed since "it's cheaper to > >> >import tin from [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > I've ever owned. The Volvos I've had since then have given me almost > 20 years of virtually trouble-free motoring. So there! The idea of you driving on the public highway sends shivers down my spine. > >> >Most of the B&B's are owned by evryone other than the Cornish and the > >> >Asians naturally own all the takeways. Why anyone in Cornwall would [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] > what's left of their culture. Of course, as an invading 'Saxon' > (snigger), you'd be quite happy to see it obliterated. Just as *you* and the other *cots idiots want to erase English culture by using the ords of some Loony left Oxford U jewboy to pretend we don't exist. > > or > >enable their children to get ahead. In fact, just like you daft lot, [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > their monoglot peers. They certainly find it easier to learn a third > language. I repeat, what use is it going to do them in the real world? Perhaps they should learn Hittite - oops we have already covered *that* language haven't we:) When asked about it you said "Why not"? > > since English is the language of the world and > >has been since Lassie was a pup. [quoted text clipped - 19 lines] > > But of course. It's what all good xtians would do, after all. The word is "Christian" and those were "Christians" who stormed the beaches of Normandy to kill their fellow Christians so that cowards like you could stay home and sneer at them. > >Tell me are you still in your "late 40's and single"? - April 28, > >2007. > > I have never been in my "late 40's and single". Then why say so? Have you stopped > having sex with your son? You must be getting pretty desperate if > you're having to fabricate quotes and dates. You're a liar, something I have known for some time. There is a reason why liars asked that their posts be removed and I just said why. They don't want anyone going back to see what they said when challenged. Malkie does it and then accuses others of "forging" his posts. He's a bigger liar than you are. > >If I were you I'd start looking for a mate preferably a nice girl > >before it's too late. [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > I don't request any time limit. If you weren't so clueless about how > Usenet works, you would know that. Right, then tell us why you do it. I just went back to April/March 2007 to the thread "Independence March, Edinburgh 21st. March". What happened to your posts there? > > although why you insist on having your > >stuff removed after "3 days" "5 days" "6 days" is still > >a mystery. Why on earth do you do it. > > I keep telling you - because it bugs you. I thought it was because you are a coward. It also gives me an > opportunity to show the world what an idiot you are every time you > raise the subject. So tell us why you do it. For the same reason you use m @privacy.net instead of a proper address, because you are terrified of anyone knowing anything about you and reading past posts. Take my advice stay away from Glasgow Common, I hear it can get quite dangerous after the sun goes down and I know how you are when danger comes calling, you run. "He (you) is Col. MacMerde's bumboy" Nov. 29th. 2004 Naturally, your response is nowhere to be seen. - Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text - > > - Show quoted text - >And then did his usual "Remove my post after 6 days" drivel, although >he refuses to say why. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >There will be "scant evidence" that *you ever existed if your birth >records are ever destroyed, There is already far too much evidence of my existence for my liking. >not that *that* would be a bad thing. He existed. Then prove it! >He requested that the body of Christ be given to him for buriel. 'burial' >Christ was buried in a tomb that he had meant for himself. It's known >as history. Er, no, BoudiKKKa. History is when you have documentary and/or physical evidence that something happened. In this case there is neither. At best it's a legend. >let alone of his owning tin mines in >> Cornwall and bringing his 'nephew' to see them. Where on earth do you [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] >You are a moron. Take a trip to Glastonbury >and you will see history. Been there, done that. 1970. Pleasant countryside and quaint villages, but nothing much ever happened there. (No, I tell a lie - I met a Dutch girl at the festival and we went back to my tent for lots of wild, monkey sex.) >> >> >Naturally, like everything they are closed since "it's cheaper to >> >> >import tin from [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] >erase English culture by using the ords of some Loony left Oxford U >jewboy to pretend we don't exist. How on earth do you manage to arrive at that conclusion? As you are by now well aware, there are also studies by an Italian Catholic and an Englishman that showed exactly the same result. No one is trying to erase anything (except ignorance). You are what you are, but not what you would like to think you are. >> > or >> >enable their children to get ahead. In fact, just like you daft lot, [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] > >I repeat, what use is it going to do them in the real world? I've just told you. Can't you read? > Perhaps >they should learn Hittite - >oops we have already covered *that* language haven't we:) When asked >about it you said "Why not"? How observant of you. >> > since English is the language of the world and >> >has been since Lassie was a pup. [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] >fellow Christians so that cowards like you could >stay home and sneer at them. Says the little tin sergeant who never once risked a single hair on her head. I'm not sneering at anyone but you. Hmmm. Xtians killing xtians? I think I see a pattern emerging. >> >Tell me are you still in your "late 40's and single"? - April 28, >> >2007. >> >> I have never been in my "late 40's and single". > > Then why say so? I didn't. You're lying. >Have you stopped >> having sex with your son? You must be getting pretty desperate if [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > >Right, then tell us why you do it. See my previous reply. > I just went back to April/March >2007 to the thread "Independence March, Edinburgh 21st. March". > >What happened to your posts there? Which ones? The ones where I exposed your ignorance about Jonny Baldwin's demise? Or the ones where I exposed your ignorance about Hitler's invasion of Czechoslovakia? Either way, it was a pretty bad show for a soi-disant 'expert on all history'. >> > although why you insist on having your >> >stuff removed after "3 days" "5 days" "6 days" is still [quoted text clipped - 12 lines] >because you are terrified of anyone knowing anything about you and >reading past posts. Because I am increasingly aware of the need to guard my privacy when there are kooks like you around. No doubt you are one of the 'nothing to hide, nothing to fear' idiots who think we should all carry identity cards in the right-wing police state you obviously long for. >Take my advice stay away from Glasgow Common, No such place. >I hear Seems you hear lots of things. Did the voices in your head make you do it? >it can get quite dangerous after the sun goes down and I know >how you are when danger >comes calling, you run. > >"He (you) is Col. MacMerde's bumboy" >Nov. 29th. 2004 As usual, you deliberately misquote. Some would call that lying. > Naturally, your response is nowhere to be seen. I told him he was barking up the wrong tree, just as you are. (Barking, that is.) >> <Boedi...@isp.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 22 lines] > Cornish chicken ? Let's not keep Cornwall's greatness a > secret any longer ! I have no idea who all the localised heroes are. Every corner of Britain has it's literary figures etc. From my soujorn there I remember William Golding being mentioned and of course Daphne de Maurier has as much a connetion with Cornwall as Sir Walter Scott has with "Scott's Country" where I live. Allan > >> <Boedi...@isp.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Allan ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Well, well. Three good reasons to put Cornwall on the beaten path. We are getting there in spite of all the above personal jabs and talk about American equivalents of Cornish fare. Someone mentioned Lands End and I seem to recall from my shipping out days that "the Lizard" was a most welcome sight for the Yanks making the crossing to Southhampton and the Thames. I am homesick already for Old Countrie. Cheers, David H on the (not Persian) Gulf ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >> <Boedi...@isp.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 29 lines] > > Allan I thought I might add that the Cornish language and Breton are around 80% mutually comprehensible, as the Bretons originated in southwest England and moved to France to escape Danish and Anglo-Saxon incursions. There is even an area of Brittany called Cornouailles (Cornwall). It's also worth remembering that the bulk of people from southern England are ethnic Celts and not Anglo-Saxons. Boedicia's ravings about being English are just so much straw flying in the wind - even her choice of sig reminds us of a Celtic Queen who fought the Romans. What sets the English apart from the rest of us Celts was their psychopathic need to to imitate and be therefore be associated with their conquerors. Indeed, the history of England is a history of being conquered by outsiders, whether Romans, Vikings, the Norman French and more recently, those who were promised British citizenship in exchange for having their countries looted by the British Empire. It's a pretty unsavoury story when examined from that point of view, and without wishing to cause undue offence, I think we can position the English as "Our Italians" in terms of their ability to ward off invasion. I see that one of the worries associated with Scotland withdrawing from the Union is that the British Army would lose the best of its fighting men - the Scots, members of a country which has never been actually conquered successfully throughout its history. As Brendan Behan once remarked, England is really a nation of other people's slaves. I think they're rather sad in their unwillingness to face the reality of what they have become; a near-bankrupt nation located off the coast of France. Frankly, I have to wonder why we waste so much time talking about their self-created problems. > > "Singanas@Texasgulfcoast" <davidholi...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 41 lines] > southern England are ethnic Celts and not Anglo-Saxons. Boedicia's > ravings about being English are just so much straw flying in the wind. Says Plastic Jocko who "claims" to be a *cot but hasn't a clue where the *cots originated. > - even her choice of sig reminds us of a Celtic Queen who fought the > Romans. What sets the English apart from the rest of us Celts was > their psychopathic need to to imitate and be therefore be associated > with their conquerors. Sounds more like those moronic *cots nitnats to me. They speak English, or at least try to although to normal English speakers, it sounds like fingernails being scraped acoss a blackboard. Indeed, the history of England is a history of > being conquered by outsiders, whether Romans, Vikings, the Norman > French and more recently, those who were promised British citizenship > in exchange for having their countries looted by the British Empire. Lots of Pakis in *cotland. Lots of other darkies also. Auld Thickers looooves them, even when they set *cots children on fire. And let us not forget all those *cots usurers with, as Agatha said, strange Ashkenazi names" like Wolfson. > It's a pretty unsavoury story when examined from that point of view, > and without wishing to cause undue offence, I think we can position > the English as "Our Italians" in terms of their ability to ward off > invasion. Said the yellow belly who never served a day in his life. You should never have shown up for your physical in your granny's dress you silly old sod. I see that one of the worries associated with Scotland > withdrawing from the Union is that the British Army would lose the > best of its fighting men - the Scots, members of a country which has > never been actually conquered successfully throughout its history. ROTFL. Tell it those who now live in So. Ireland!! They chased you all the way to Pictland, where you now reside and live off the English taxpayer. As > Brendan Behan once remarked, You mean that drunken Mick who drank himself to death? England is really a nation of other > people's slaves. I think they're rather sad in their unwillingness to > face the reality of what they have become; a near-bankrupt nation > located off the coast of France. Frankly, I have to wonder why we > waste so much time talking about their self-created problems. Behan, like so many other alcoholic Celts wasn't capable of thinking much about anything except getting blotto every day and night. Thank God for Nelson and The Duke of Wellington, not forgetting The RAF of course. Just think, if it wasn't for the English *you* lot could have ended up like those *cots nitnats who "attempted to set up a German/*cottish alliance against England in WW2". Telegraph May 9th. 2001 The Paddy Joyce got his neck stretched. IMO some of you lot should have joined him on the gallows, you were the scum of the earth. "We write England that way (*ngland) because it's a dirty word" The Plastic jocko, Highlander who really should give up the booze and get a a proper job. - Hide quoted text - > - Show quoted text - <Boedicia@isp.com> wrote in message news:86c2776f-41b7-4dfb-88b3-b17876797e35@b9g2000prh.googlegroups.com... Wonderful. I can just see it now. "What are your qualifications for this job"? Answer - I can speak Cornish". I've been to Cornwall many times, they speak English, fortunately for them, or they would have no tourist trade. How long before street signs in Brixton are in Urdu and Swahili"? Street signs in Cornish too? DSH > How long before street signs in Brixton are in Urdu and > Swahili"? [Boedicia@isp.com] [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Allan The best portrayal of Cornwall I've seen was in _Straw Dogs_. DSH Lux et Veritas et Libertas Deus Vult |
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