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CIA: Yes, Victoria -- We Are Winning The War Against Al Qaeda

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D. Spencer Hines - 30 May 2008 18:57 GMT
U.S. Cites Big Gains Against Al-Qaeda

Group Is Facing Setbacks Globally, CIA Chief Says
By Joby Warrick
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, May 30, 2008

Less than a year after his agency warned of new threats from a resurgent
al-Qaeda, CIA Director Michael V. Hayden now portrays the terrorist movement
as essentially defeated in Iraq and Saudi Arabia and on the defensive
throughout much of the rest of the world, including in its presumed haven
along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

In a strikingly upbeat assessment, the CIA chief cited major gains against
al-Qaeda's allies in the Middle East and an increasingly successful campaign
to destabilize the group's core leadership.

While cautioning that al-Qaeda remains a serious threat, Hayden said Osama
bin Laden is losing the battle for hearts and minds in the Islamic world and
has largely forfeited his ability to exploit the Iraq war to recruit
adherents. Two years ago, a CIA study concluded that the U.S.-led war had
become a propaganda and marketing bonanza for al-Qaeda, generating cash
donations and legions of volunteers.

All that has changed, Hayden said in an interview with The Washington Post
this week that coincided with the start of his third year at the helm of the
CIA.

"On balance, we are doing pretty well," he said, ticking down a list of
accomplishments: "Near strategic defeat of al-Qaeda in Iraq. Near strategic
defeat for al-Qaeda in Saudi Arabia. Significant setbacks for al-Qaeda
globally -- and here I'm going to use the word 'ideologically' -- as a lot
of the Islamic world pushes back on their form of Islam," he said.

The sense of shifting tides in the terrorism fight is shared by a number of
terrorism experts, though some caution that it is too early to tell whether
the gains are permanent. Some credit Hayden and other U.S. intelligence
leaders for going on the offensive against al-Qaeda in the area along the
Afghanistan-Pakistan border, where the tempo of Predator strikes has
dramatically increased from previous years. But analysts say the United
States has caught some breaks in the past year, benefiting from improved
conditions in Iraq, as well as strategic blunders by al-Qaeda that have cut
into its support base.

"One of the lessons we can draw from the past two years is that al-Qaeda is
its own worst enemy," said Robert Grenier, a former top CIA counterterrorism
official who is now managing director of Kroll, a risk consulting firm.
"Where they have succeeded initially, they very quickly discredit
themselves."

Others warned that al-Qaeda remains capable of catastrophic attacks and may
be even more determined to stage a major strike to prove its relevance.
"Al-Qaeda's obituary has been written far too often in the past few years
for anyone to declare victory," said Bruce Hoffman, a terrorism expert at
Georgetown University. "I agree that there has been progress. But we're
indisputably up against a very resilient and implacable enemy."

A landmark study last August by the 16 U.S. intelligence agencies described
the Afghanistan-Pakistan border area as a de facto al-Qaeda haven in which
terrorist leaders were reorganizing for attacks against the West. But Hayden
said counterterrorism successes extend even to that lawless region. Although
he would not discuss CIA operations in the area, U.S. intelligence agencies
have carried out several attacks there since January, using unmanned
Predator aircraft for surgical strikes against al-Qaeda and Taliban safe
houses.

"The ability to kill and capture key members of al-Qaeda continues, and
keeps them off balance -- even in their best safe haven along the
Afghanistan-Pakistan border," Hayden said.

But terrorism experts note the lack of success in the U.S. effort to capture
bin Laden and his top deputy, Ayman al-Zawahiri. Intelligence officials say
they think both are living in the Pakistan-Afghanistan tribal area in
locations known only to a few top aides. Hayden said capturing or killing
the pair remains a top priority, though he noted the difficulties in finding
them in a rugged, remote region where the U.S. military is officially
forbidden to operate.

The Bush administration has been watching political developments in Pakistan
with apprehension, worried that the country's newly elected leadership will
not be as tolerant of occasional unilateral U.S. strikes against al-Qaeda as
was the government of President Pervez Musharraf, a close ally in the U.S.
fight against terrorism.

Hayden declined to discuss what agreements, if any, have been brokered with
Pakistan's new leaders, but he said, "We're comfortable with the authorities
we have."

Since the start of the year, he said, al-Qaeda's global leadership has lost
three senior officers, including two who succumbed "to violence," an
apparent reference to Predator strikes that killed terrorist leaders Abu
Laith al-Libi and Abu Sulayman al-Jazairi in Pakistan. He also cited a
successful blow against "training activity" in the region but offered no
details. "Those are the kinds of things that delay and disrupt al-Qaeda's
planning," Hayden said.

Despite the optimistic outlook, he said he is concerned that the progress
against al-Qaeda could be halted or reversed because of what he considers
growing complacency and a return to the mind-set that existed before the
attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.

"We remain worried, and frankly, I wonder why some other people aren't
worried, too," he said. His concern stems in part from improved
intelligence-gathering that has bolstered the CIA's understanding of
al-Qaeda's intent, he said.

"The fact that we have kept [Americans] safe for pushing seven years now has
got them back into the state of mind where 'safe' is normal," he said. "Our
view is: Safe is hard-won, every 24 hours."

Hayden, who has previously highlighted a gulf between Washington and its
European allies on how to battle terrorism, said he is troubled that
Congress and many in the media are "focused less on the threat and more on
the tactics the nation has chosen to deal with the threat" -- a reference to
controversial CIA interrogation techniques approved by Hayden's
predecessors.

"The center line of the national discussion has moved, and in our business,
our center line is more shaped by the reality of the threat," Hayden said.

On Iraq, he said he is encouraged not only by U.S. success against
al-Qaeda's affiliates there, but also by what he described as the steadily
rising competence of the Iraqi military and a growing popular antipathy
toward jihadism.

"Despite this 'cause célebrè' phenomenon, fundamentally no one really liked
al-Qaeda's vision of the future," Hayden said. As a result, the insurgency
is viewed locally as "more and more a war of al-Qaeda against Iraqis," he
said. Hayden specifically cited the recent writings of prominent Sunni
clerics -- including some who used to support al-Qaeda -- criticizing the
group for its indiscriminant killing of Muslim civilians.

While al-Qaeda misplayed its hand with gruesome attacks on Iraqi civilians,
Hayden said, U.S. military commanders and intelligence officials deserve
some of the credit for the shift, because they "created the circumstances"
for it by building strategic alliances with Sunni and Shiite factions, he
said.

Hayden warned, however, that progress in Iraq is being undermined by
increasing interference by Iran, which he accused of supplying weapons,
training and financial assistance to anti-U.S. insurgents. While declining
to endorse any particular strategy for dealing with Iran, he described the
threat in stark terms.

"It is the policy of the Iranian government, approved at the highest levels
of that government, to facilitate the killing of American and other
coalition forces in Iraq.  Period," he said.
Tiglath - 30 May 2008 19:35 GMT
> U.S. Cites Big Gains Against Al-Qaeda

Several things need to be said loud and clear.

Let's speak for all men whose intelligence keeps being insulted by
bourbon-fogged hawks, and Republicans whose partisan hat has fused
into their scalp.

ONE

Stop already with the reports of gains on Al-Qaeda and this or that of
their top leaders being captured or killed.

THEY ARE A SMALL GROUP OF TOWEL HEADS

For God's sake.

Clever, daring, elusive, LUCKY towel heads yes, but still a

SMALL GROUP OF TOWEL HEADS

You've had SEVEN years to defeat Al-Qaeda and taxpayers have financed
you the tools to gain advantage on them on a money-no-object basis. We
have high flying eyes in the sky that can read the headlines on the
newspaper of a man sitting on a park bench, allegedly.   We have eyes
on low flying drones.  USE THEM.

Send the rangers, the navy seals.   Send the spooks.

Send Oprah and Ali G if you have to.

Rock the Casbah, for crying out loud.

But FOR f.ck'S SAKE, shut up until you capture or kill Bin Laden and
destroy Al-Qaeda UTTERLY.

It is embarrassing to keep hearing a big bear boasting about killing
yet again another grasshopper.

-------------------------

TWO

Abandon, give up, concede, forgetabaoudit  trying to vindicate or
justify Iraq's invasion.

Yesterday I heard Condi Rice saying in response to McClellan's book.
"How many people really believe that Saddam was not a threat to the
international community?"

What a fool!

The answer is, "Everybody who is not a Republican, bourbon-fogged
hawk, or whose partisan hat has not yet fused into his scalp.

If you had succeeded in Iraq, it would still have been wrong.

You didn't succeed.  Square wrong.   Bush will leave office with Iraq
still a pressure cooker whose lid have to keep pressed down hard to
give it a semblance of relative peace.

It means that Bush FAILED.

It means you bet on the WRONG HORSE.

-----------------------------

Until then shut up.
Nebulous - 30 May 2008 20:10 GMT
"Tiglath" <temp5@tiglath.net> wrote in message news:97d78d29-477e-4a9d-8d63-

[Protest made; paper read; instruments taken]
Prayers said.

[James Douglas], duke of Hamilton immediately thereafter craved to be heard,
and though desired by the lord chancellor to sit until her majesty's
commission was read and the house constituted, yet persisted, and said that
for avoiding of contests he had a paper to read, which paper he read as
containing the reasons of his withdrawing; and thereupon and upon his
withdrawing, took instruments, but without giving in his paper.

Thereafter the clerk register and several of the members declared that they
adhered to the duke of Hamilton's paper and also took instruments and
withdrew.

[Opening of session; protests over precedency]
The queen's commission to James [Douglas], duke of Queensberry to be her
majesty's high commissioner to this session of parliament read.

Rolls called.

[John Erskine], earl of Mar protested for the precedency of all the earls
ranked before him in the rolls of parliament.

[James Douglas], earl of Morton protested for the precedency of all the
earls ranked before him in the rolls of parliament.

[James Ogilvy], earl of Findlater protested against the calling of [James
Ogilvy], earl of Airlie before him in the rolls of parliament.

[David Leslie], earl of Leven protested against the calling of [James
Livingstone], earl of Callander before him in the rolls of parliament.

[Oaths taken; letter read; commissions read]
By order of the lord high commissioner, one of the clerks of parliament and
session and clerk to her majesty's processes (in respect of the clerk
register's withdrawing) tendered the oath of allegiance to the lord
chancellor, who did swear and sign the same with the assurance and took the
oath of parliament. And then all the clerks of parliament and session did
swear the oath of allegiance, and signed the same with the assurance, and
gave their oaths of faithful administration.

[George Melville], earl of Melville, lord president of the privy council,
and [John Lindsay], earl of Crawford and the other nobility, called up by
order of the roll at different times, took the oath of allegiance and signed
the same with the assurance and took the oath of parliament; and, in the
same manner, so did the barons and commissioners for burghs.

A letter from her majesty to my lord commissioner appointing [Alexander
Montgomery], lord Montgomery to sit and vote in this present session of
parliament as lord high treasurer read, and the Lord Montgomery took the
oath of allegiance and signed the same with the assurance and took the oath
of parliament.

A commission to William [Johnston], marquis of Annandale under the great
seal to be lord privy seal read and ordered to be recorded, who took the
oath of allegiance and signed the same with the assurance and took the oath
of parliament.

A commission to James [Ogilvy], earl of Seafield under the great seal to be
one of the principal secretaries of state, and a letter from her majesty to
my lord commissioner appointing the said earl to sit and vote in this
session of parliament as lord secretary read, and the commission ordered to
be recorded.

[Patents read; oaths taken]
The patents under the great seal creating Archibald [Campbell], earl of
Argyll duke of Argyll, and Robert [Kerr], earl of Lothian marquis of
Lothian, and William [Johnston], earl of Annandale marquis of Annandale, and
James [Ogilvy], viscount of Seafield earl of Seafield, and John
[Carmichael], lord Carmichael earl of Hyndford, were read and ordered to be
recorded.

The duke of Argyll, the marquis of Lothian and the earls of Seafield and
Hyndford took the oath of allegiance and signed the same with the assurance
and took the oath of parliament.

John Sharp of Hoddam, commissioner for the shire of Dumfries, and Mr John
Stewart of Sorbie, for the shire of Wigtown, now elected in place of the two
former members deceased, took the oath of allegiance and signed the same
with the assurance and took the oath of parliament.

John Scrimgeour [of Kirkton], commissioner for the burgh of Dundee, and Sir
Alexander Ogilvie [of Forglen], for the burgh of Banff, in place of the two
former members deceased, took the oath of allegiance and signed the same
with the assurance and took the oath of parliament.

[Remit to committee; queen's letter read; speeches made and ordered to be
printed]
Two commissions, the one to George Munro of Culcairn and the other to David
Sutherland of Kinnauld, being presented from the shire of Sutherland, the
same were remitted to the committee to be appointed for controverted
elections.

The queen's most gracious letter to the parliament, presented by her
majesty's high commissioner, was read.

Then her majesty's high commissioner made a speech to the parliament.

Thereafter the lord chancellor made his speech to the parliament.

A motion being made for printing her majesty's letter, his grace the
commissioner's speech and the lord chancellor's speech, the same was ordered
accordingly.

[Acts ordered to be brought in]
Moved that an act be brought in next sederunt of parliament for recognising
her majesty's royal authority; and her majesty's coronation oath, with the
attestation by several of the privy council of her taking the same, were
read.

Ordered that the draft of an act be brought in next sederunt of parliament
for recognising her majesty's royal authority.

Moved that an act be brought in next sederunt of parliament for securing the
Protestant religion and presbyterian church government as now established,
which was ordered accordingly.

Moved that an act be brought in authorising the appointment of a fast,
according to the desire of the commission of the general assembly, which was
ordered accordingly.

[Committees to be appointed; continuation]
Moved that the committees be appointed, and agreed that there be four
committees: one for the security of the kingdom, consisting of nine of each
estate; a second for controverted elections, consisting of five of each
estate; a third for drawing an answer to her majesty's letter, consisting of
one of each estate; and a fourth of the same number for revising the
minutes.

Ordered that the members prepare their lists for the several committees to
be elected next sederunt of parliament.

The lord chancellor, by order of her majesty high commissioner, adjourned
the parliament until Thursday next at 10 o'clock.
Adam Whyte-Settlar - 31 May 2008 03:10 GMT
"Tiglath" <temp5@tiglath.net> wrote in message news:97d78d29-477e-4a9d-8d63-
We
> have high flying eyes in the sky that can read the headlines on the
> newspaper of a man sitting on a park bench, allegedly.   We have eyes
> on low flying drones.  USE THEM.

And preferably in the right country this time.
Nebulous - 30 May 2008 20:08 GMT
"D. Spencer Hines" <panther@excelsior.com> wrote in message news:ffX%j.1118$

rocedure: opening of session
The laws and acts of the parliament of our most high and dread sovereign
Anne, by the grace of God, queen of Scotland, England, France and Ireland,
defender of the faith, held and begun at Edinburgh, 9 June 1702, by warrant
of the seventeenth act of the sixth session of the parliament of King
William, by his grace James [Douglas], duke of Queensberry, marquis of
Dumfries-shire, earl of Drumlanrig and Sanquhar, viscount of Nith,
Torthorwald and Ross, lord Douglas of Kinmont, Middlebie and Dornock etc.,
principal secretary of state for the kingdom of Scotland, one of the lords
of her majesty's most honourable privy council, treasury and exchequer, an
extraordinary lord of session and knight of the most noble order of the
garter, her majesty's high commissioner for holding the same, by virtue of a
commission under the great seal of this kingdom.

With the special advice and consent of the estates of parliament
underwritten.
James Hogg - 30 May 2008 20:35 GMT
>"Despite this 'cause célebrè'

<G>

That was surely worth a [sic]?

James
John Briggs - 30 May 2008 20:43 GMT
>> "Despite this 'cause célebrè'
>
> <G>
>
> That was surely worth a [sic]?

Well, I'm impressed that it has the right letters and the right accents, if
not in the right order...
Signature

John Briggs

Leadfoot - 30 May 2008 21:38 GMT
So this means we can leave Iraq soon, right?
Jack Linthicum - 30 May 2008 22:06 GMT
> So this means we can leave Iraq soon, right?

Just as soon as we get McCain up to speed on how many troops are there
right now.

But you know we have to stay if the al Qaida are losing the same as we
have to stay if they are winning.
Nebulous - 30 May 2008 22:10 GMT
"Jack Linthicum" <jacklinthicum@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:0fdc10f0-5bcc-446a-906b-

Oaths taken; minutes read; process against the advocates remitted to the
privy council]
Prayers said, rolls called.

James Brodie of that ilk, one of the commissioners for the shire of Elgin,
being absent the former sederunts of parliament, took the oath of allegiance
and signed the same with the assurance and took the oath of parliament.

Minutes of the last sederunt read.

The dean of faculty and the advocates convened with him being called, and
the interlocutor in the cause of 23 June read to them, they were ordered to
withdraw. And it being moved and debated whether to proceed further against
them before the parliament or to remit their case to some of the
judicatories, her majesty's high commissioner and the estates of parliament
ordered the process as it stands to be remitted to the privy council to be
further proceeded in before their lordships as they should see cause.

[Speech made]
Thereafter her majesty's high commissioner made the following speech:

My lords and gentlemen,

The cheerfulness and unanimity of your proceedings in this session of
parliament, in recognising her majesty's royal authority, securing the
Protestant religion and presbyterian government and expediting the other
acts that have been passed for her majesty's service and the good and safety
of the kingdom, will, I am persuaded, be very acceptable to her majesty and
satisfying to all her good subjects, and, I do assure you, is very obliging
to me.

But I must regret that when I was expecting we should have parted in the
same happy manner, a proposal, which I had some ground to think was laid
aside, was offered the other day to my surprise, as well as that of her
majesty's other ministers, which occasioned some debate and difference in
the house.

My early engaging and firm adherence to the present establishment is so well
known that none can doubt my readiness to enter into all measures for her
majesty's service and securing our happy settlement, according to the Claim
of Right, and I am confident that you are all of that mind.

Since then we are all perfectly the same as to our dutiful and faithful
adherence to her majesty, and that the Claim of Right is our unalterable
security, I judge it fit for her majesty's service and your own interest to
prevent further contest and debate amongst persons I know to be so entirely
well affected to her majesty, and for whom I have all imaginable honour, to
dismiss this session of parliament.

We have had no particular acts or ratifications that do require an act
salvo, and I do render you hearty thanks in her majesty's name for the
loyalty you have testified by your public acts, and which I shall be careful
to report to her majesty, and shall only recommend to you to let the country
know the gracious assurances her majesty has been pleased to give us, and to
dispose them to their duty, and to comply with her majesty's royal
intentions for their own welfare and happiness. And thus I do, in her
majesty's name and by her authority, adjourn this parliament until Tuesday
18 August next, which my lord chancellor is to declare in the usual form.

[Parliament adjourned]
The lord chancellor, by order of her majesty's high commissioner, adjourned
the parliament to meet at Edinburgh upon Tuesday 18 August next, and
declared the same to be adjourned.

[Patrick Hume, earl of] Marchmont, chancellor, in the presence of the lords
of parliament
Nebulous - 30 May 2008 22:09 GMT
[Act and letter to be printed; addition to commissioners of supply approved]
Prayers said, rolls called.

Minutes of the last sederunt read.

Moved that when the act concerning the union shall be printed, the letter
from the parliament to her majesty relative thereto be also printed, which
was ordered accordingly.

Some more commissioners of supply were added and, being read, were approved.

[Draft act read; process against the advocates delayed]
Draft of an act for abjuring the pretended prince of Scotland (commonly
called the pretended prince of Wales, and now taking upon him the title of
king of Scotland) read, and moved that a first reading be marked thereupon.

Moved that the act, being of great importance, might lie on the table until
the members had further consideration thereof. And after much debate which
of the motions should be received and how the vote should be stated, agreed
that the state of the vote should be mark a first reading upon the act or
lie on the table, and carried mark a first reading.

The charge at her majesty's advocate's instance against the dean of faculty
and certain advocates continued until the next sederunt of parliament.

[Continuation]
The lord chancellor, by order of her majesty's high commissioner, adjourned
the parliament until Tuesday next at 10 o'clock.

[Patrick Hume, earl of] Marchmont, chancellor, in the presence of the lords
of parliament
J A - 30 May 2008 23:03 GMT
> U.S. Cites Big Gains Against Al-Qaeda
>
[quoted text clipped - 9 lines]
> throughout much of the rest of the world, including in its presumed haven
> along the Afghanistan-Pakistan border.

He should have waited until, say September, to roll this out.
The chimp is aping Rove - and not very well.

Have they got bin Laden and the rest of the AQ leadership?

Can AQ be attacked in their western Pakistan hideout areas?

For all we know they are laying off small projects in preference of a big
one(s).

Or maybe, as McCain "thinks", they're just undergoing training in Iran.....
;-))

I'm sure there are still people dumb enough to be taken in by this sort of
"news release", but do you think it will work anywhere near as well as, say,
pre-Katrina?
 
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