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History Forum / General / British History / June 2008UK monarchy in 13th century: organization and coat of arms?
Hello to everybody! I'm trying to know more about UK monarchy in the period pointed in the subject: the first years of the 13th Century. If what I read was correct, these years (from 1199 to 1216) were under the reign of John Lackland. Well, I would know which was his coat of arms, because I found different informations about it. It was this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Richard_I_of_England_Arms.svg or this http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:England_COA.svg ? The latter was the official coat of arm of Plantagenet House, but John Lackland seemed to use also the first one during a certan period. Is it true or did King John always use the latter? Then, are they leopards or lions? I would find moreover some info about the organization of royal officers: there was a hierarchy? What was their organization? What they did in the England lands? Did they only obtain taxes or did they have other tasks? I know I asked a lot of questions, but if you don't or if you can't answer, could you write some link were I can find what I'm looking for? Sorry for my quitely bad English, I'm italian. Thank you anyway, Rock3  Signature"Il sapere e la ragione parlano, l'ignoranza ed il torto urlano". Arturo Graf / Indro Montanelli / Anonimo > Then, are they leopards or lions? Leopards and lions are the same animal (in heraldry) but posed differently. SignatureJ Il Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:37:12 +0100, J ha scritto: > Leopards and lions are the same animal (in heraldry) but posed differently. Oh, I didn't know it. Thank you! "They posed differently", what do you mean? When they are lions do they pose in a certain way and when they are leopards do they pose in another one? Rocky3 Signature"Il sapere e la ragione parlano, l'ignoranza ed il torto urlano". Arturo Graf / Indro Montanelli / Anonimo > Il Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:37:12 +0100, J ha scritto: > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > pose in a certain way and when they are leopards do they pose in another > one? In English heraldry, a lion passant gardant is blazoned as a leopard. This may help: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion_%28heraldry%29. SignatureAndrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) > Il Thu, 26 Jun 2008 23:37:12 +0100, J ha scritto: > > Leopards and lions are the same animal (in heraldry) but posed > > differently. > Oh, I didn't know it. Thank you! "They posed differently", what do you > mean? When they are lions do they pose in a certain way and when they are > leopards do they pose in another one? French heraldry: passant guardant (walking past and looking at you) is a leopard rampant (on one foot and clawing in the air with front paws) is a lion In French the English football team have three leopards on their shirts - but that's making a right mess of a good song! ;-) SignatureJ |
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