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The Anarchist's Credo

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D. Spencer Hines - 07 Jul 2008 00:17 GMT
Hilarious!

This amusing rant sounds right out of Barcelona circa 1936.

Best Laugh Of The Day...
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Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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"Tiglath" <temp5@tiglath.net> wrote in message
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> Really?  When you look at the Earth from space, it is striking.
> There are no national boundaries visible.  They have been put there
> like the equator and the Tropic of Cancer and the Tropic of Capricorn,
> by humans.   The planet is real, the life is real, but the political
> separations that have placed the planet in danger are of human
> manufacture -- PEOPLE MADE.
>
> The Golden Rule's wisdom implicitly recognizes that all the beings in
> this little world are mutually dependent. It's like living in a
> lifeboat.  We breath the same air that Russians have breathed, and
> Zambians and Tasmanians and Iranians, and people all over the
> planet.   Whatever it is that divides us it is clear the planet will
> be here for a long time to come, but will we?
>
> We need to marginalize people like Bush and other leaders who preach
> one thing and do another, and especially PATRIOTS who thing that the
> artificial division on a part of our planet confers them superiority
> and can tell the rest of the world what to do or else.
>
> If a human group does better, knows more, and thrives past other
> groups it should spread its wisdom and knowledge PEACEFULLY and by
> example.   No God commands us to ram democracy down the world's
> throat.
>
>> > All the more
>> > noticeable in a president who rules with his faith. Bush clearly
>> > told us that he believes that God wants men to be free and that this
>> > belief guides his foreign policy.
>>
>> And I believe him. And his foreign policy has shown that.
>
> It's no different than violent Jihad.   Same sh.t different sewer.
>
>> > I recall "Do unto others as you would have then do unto you." I
>> > don't recall "God wants all men to be free."
>>
>> Stuff concerning the universality of freedom generally has
>> more to do with Jefferson or Locke, and it's simple enough
>> to replace "self-evident" with "God-given" - the speakers
>> of those phrases mean the same thing.
>>
> I dispute that.  Freedom is not a right any more than being wealthy is
> a right.   As long as humans need gods to worship, leaders to tell
> them what to do and lawyers to mediate their disputes they cannot be
> free.
>
> My income taxes MEAN that I have to work a certain, not small number
> of hours to support the programs and decisions of others, many of
> which I don't agree with, like the Iraq War.   And if I don't pay I go
> to jail.  The alternative is not to work and live in a park.   Some
> freedom.

>> > And religious people seem to see nothing wrong that their most sacred
>> > tenets are just window dressing.
>>
>> Ritual? All people have rituals. Some rituals are formal, some
>> are not.
>
> A tenet is not a ritual.  Learn the difference.
ebe - 07 Jul 2008 02:02 GMT
> Hilarious!
>
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>
> > A tenet is not a ritual.  Learn the difference.

Hi,

Something to think about

http://youtube.com/watch?v=YMyDJMAlHGI

most people want a president not someone who is a commander in chief.
When will we get to that time, in that video where people can drive
and sing again given everything life gives you (good and bad).

Although, some say that this time was bad, it was time I remember when
people were happier, did not need to work 60 hours/week/two jobs
(because the export of Japan's overwork did not arrive here yet), and
our shores were safe even at the height of the cold war.
ebe - 07 Jul 2008 02:05 GMT
> > Hilarious!
>
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> (because the export of Japan's overwork did not arrive here yet), and
> our shores were safe even at the height of the cold war.

ALso, remember at that time, the US had an average 35 hour work week
then (avg hours/week, compared to a higher value now), and people
could have time for leisure, and still live a middle class lifestyle.
Fred J. McCall - 07 Jul 2008 05:28 GMT
:ALso, remember at that time, the US had an average 35 hour work week
:then (avg hours/week, compared to a higher value now), and people
:could have time for leisure, and still live a middle class lifestyle.

When was that?  Cite, please?

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John Kane - 07 Jul 2008 19:43 GMT
> :ALso, remember at that time, the US had an average 35 hour work week
> :then (avg hours/week, compared to a higher value now), and people
> :could have time for leisure, and still live a middle class lifestyle.
>
> When was that?  Cite, please?

Just before the Mayflower landed.
Tiglath - 07 Jul 2008 14:24 GMT
> Hilarious!
>
> This amusing rant sounds right out of Barcelona circa 1936.
>
> Best Laugh Of The Day...

Mr. Hines is in a predicament similar to that of Rush Limbaugh.  Rush
completely detests having McCain as the Republican presidential
candidate.   Mr. Hines told us McCain is "too old" for the job and
obviously feels that America's Mayor, his favorite candidate, was much
better qualified.

Both face having to support a candidate they think isn't qualified.
But only Rush has a good excuse to do so -- he is a political
commentator.

The way Rush deals with it is by saying that it's like the Super Bowl,
even when your team doesn't make it you still root for the team you
hate less.

I guess he has to, he can't afford to just skip the whole thing, it's
his job to be a loud Republican for his fans.

Mr. Hines is No Rush.

Mr. Hines can afford to skip the whole thing instead of supporting a
candidate he thinks is "too old" for the job.   Except that his
loyalty to party won't allow it.

Yes folks even anarchy is better than blind partisanship.
Partisanship that makes a man support for president someone who is
"too old" and obviously not good for the country, just because he is a
Republican.

Our species began with individuals being loyal to a small tribe or
about a hundred people; as groups merged we evolved to the city state,
the settled nation, and finally the empire.   In a thousand years,
historians, if there are any, will look back at our time as a turning
point.  If the hawks don't destroy civilization, it will be the time
when we could have destroyed ourselves and we came to our senses and
did not.   It will be the time in which we started to send robot
emissaries to nearby worlds, but most importantly, it will be the time
in which the world began to be bound up.   Great increases in the
speed of travel and communications made all aware that we are all in
the same boat.  Although the world is still a patchwork of political,
ethnic, economic, and religious identifications owing allegiance to
groups of up to a billion people or more, there is a steady trend and
if it continues some time in a not distant future the average person's
typical identification will be with the everyone on Earth, the human
species.

The process no doubt will be slightly impeded by the Mr. Hines of this
world, whose parochial, local, provincial view of things has the
political party as their planet, their third rock from the sun.
That's what matters to Mr. Hines, all else be damned.   You go
forward, you look ahead, he is quite happy being a Limbaugh copy, with
his tomato-pelting audience, and his steady supply of things to say,
courtesy of James Taranto and Charles Krauthammer, to drive the
Republican nail home.

Hence, don't miss Mr. Hines For McCain in Honolulu this summer.
Presiding over his own chapter of the Salvation Navy, Mr. Hines parade
of one will criss-cross neighborhoods.   Aloha! he'll be sitting in a
rowboat on wheels beating a drum as he so well does...

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> DSH
> Lux et Veritas et Libertas
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> > A tenet is not a ritual.  Learn the difference.
 
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