Brits Criminally Careless -- Still Can't Keep A Secret
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D. Spencer Hines - 20 Jul 2008 14:06 GMT A Chinese HONEYTRAP Operation.
Hilarious!
Stupid Brit...
He fell for one of the oldest tricks in the Espionage Book.
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From The Sunday Times July 20, 2008
Gordon Brown aide a victim of honeytrap operation by Chinese agents
David Leppard and Claire Newell
A top aide to Gordon Brown has been a suspected victim of a "honeytrap" operation by Chinese intelligence agents.
The aide, a senior Downing Street adviser who was with the prime minister on a trip to China earlier this year, had his BlackBerry phone stolen after being picked up by a Chinese woman who had approached him in a Shanghai hotel disco.
The aide agreed to return to his hotel with the woman. He reported the BlackBerry missing the next morning.
The aide, whose identity is known to The Sunday Times, immediately reported the theft to the prime minister's Special Branch protection team and was informally reprimanded.
A senior official said yesterday that the incident had all the hallmarks of a suspected honeytrap by Chinese intelligence. The incident will raise fresh questions about the security of sensitive official information. It follows a spate of high-profile cases where data from government departments have been lost.
INDEED. This is NOT an isolated occurrence of sloppy, careless security by British officials. -- DSH
BlackBerrys are used as mobile telephones and also store data and send and receive e-mails. Downing Street BlackBerrys are password-protected but security officials said most are not encrypted.
Ergo VERY easy to unravel. -- DSH
Experts say that even if the aide's device did not contain anything top secret, it might enable a hostile intelligence service to hack into the Downing Street server, potentially gaining access to No 10's e-mail traffic and text messages.
The incident highlights the growing threat of Chinese intelligence to Britain and the West. Last December Jonathan Evans, the director-general of MI5, warned that China was carrying out state-sponsored espionage against vital parts of Britain's economy, including the computer systems of big banks and financial services firms.
Sources said that the incident had occurred during Brown's two-day trip to China in January.
The prime minister had been accompanied by about 20 Downing Street staff, including senior advisers on foreign policy, the environment and trade. There were also 25 business leaders on the trip, among them Sir Adrian Montague, the chairman of British Energy, Arun Sarin, then chief executive of Vodafone, and Sir Richard Branson, the Virgin boss.
The incident occurred in Shanghai on the second day of the tour. That evening, about a dozen members of the Downing Street staff went to a hotel disco where a lively party with several hundred young people was in full swing.
"It was apparently a lot of fun, there was quite a bit of dancing with lots of people on a big crowded dance floor," said one security official.
The group stayed at the disco for at least two hours. One senior aide was approached by an attractive Chinese woman. The couple danced and later disappeared together.
The security official said: "In these circumstances it was not wise. Nobody knows exactly what happened after they left. But the next morning he came forward and said: "My BlackBerry is missing." The prime minister's Special Branch protection team were alerted.
Downing Street yesterday confirmed that a member of the prime minister's office had lost a BlackBerry during an evening event on the January visit to China. However, it played down the affair, stating that an investigation had established that there was "no compromise to security".
Last week it emerged that US intelligence and security officials were debating whether to warn business people and other travellers heading to the Beijing Olympics about the dangers posed by Chinese computer hackers.
Joel Brenner, the US government's top counter-intelligence official, warned: "So many people are going to the Olympics and are going to get electronically undressed."
frank - 20 Jul 2008 17:31 GMT They have been active in the states for decades.
Especially students or graduate students. We had some in our graduate program at the University of Missouri. Which is close to Whiteman AFB which is where the B-2 is. You don't need 6 degrees of freedom like Kevin Bacon.
They were out there and pretty blatant when the ACM was being tested. We watched for the SU, they were targeted, but Poles and East Germans were pretty numerous. And they fit in better.
Our problem is we let too many 'students' in this country from a lot of what the Brits would call 'dicey' areas. But, try cutting back and the universities howl. They like the full load they can charge them. No grants or loans, hard cash, and they put up with crap Americans won't. Literally cheap labor to support the professor's research. They give you a load of crap like we need the diversity. Hogwash, you're in class, reading journals, doing work, STUDENTS have nothing to bring into a program, except in something like government administration where you could say this is how health care is in a different country. As far as hard sciences, diversity is nothing but a sham.
I'm a Democrat who thinks Bush and his administration should be tried for war crimes, so this is not a political issue.
There are tons of incidents that happen like this, the vast majority never hit the paper. I remember once a pilot took a piece of classified stuff off an airplane, off the base, into a hotel, and left it. We don't think or didn't think it was compromised, but with twits like him running around, how hard is it to spy on us? He didn't bother to find somebody who would sign for it, put it in a safe and hold it in a secure area for him.
There needs to be serious jail time. Public flogging? The stocks?
Richard Casady - 20 Jul 2008 20:36 GMT >There needs to be serious jail time. Public flogging? The stocks? Hanging, with a three inch drop.
Casady
Jack Linthicum - 20 Jul 2008 20:48 GMT > They have been active in the states for decades. > [quoted text clipped - 30 lines] > > There needs to be serious jail time. Public flogging? The stocks? I am a Missouri grad.
We had a guy who was very high up in CIA who happened to have been born in Denmark. He believed he was in line to be the next head of the CIA. Big ego.
He decided to sell his house in Georgetown. To show all the people who came through to inspect the place, he had his home office arranged like he did a lot of work there. One of the props was a document with enough classifications to twitch a security officer. One of the first people though the first Sunday was, wait for it, a very twitchy security officer from CIA.
That Blackberry gag works both ways, some bad a.s lobbyist pitched hers along with a bunch of incrimination papers after she was told by phone to hold on to the papers. The FBI was practically next door waiting for this action. Garbagemen.
Andrew Chaplin - 20 Jul 2008 22:46 GMT > I am a Missouri grad. > [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > phone to hold on to the papers. The FBI was practically next door > waiting for this action. Garbagemen. A missing BlackBerry? Who gives a damn, other than the person who will have to pay to replace it? They are so leaky that they are not to be operated with their Rx/Tx on in areas classified Confidential or higher. If you use Bluetooth with them, you're particularly vulnerable. (In camera meetings at Westminster have leaked out through them. The Conservative caucus in Ottawa is so paranoid of leaks that their SOP is to shut them down completely during meetings.) BlackBerries around here don't have access to secure e-mail accounts. You get 10 chances to enter a password into them, then they have to be reset and repacked. I doubt anyone got much out of the PM's aide's BB.
What's more troubling is that someone on the PM's staff, presumably with a security clearance, is consorting with foreigners he picks up in bars -- that person wants sacking.
 Signature Andrew Chaplin SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)
Jack Linthicum - 20 Jul 2008 23:05 GMT > > I am a Missouri grad. > [quoted text clipped - 31 lines] > SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO > (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.) But the lobbyist was dim and thought that throwing it away would save her from any prosecution. The FBI should be pulling her emails out of it even now.
D. Spencer Hines - 21 Jul 2008 00:05 GMT Bingo!
And exposure -- by name.
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> What's more troubling is that someone on the PM's staff, presumably with a > security clearance, is consorting with foreigners he picks up in bars -- > that person wants sacking. Alistair Gunn - 21 Jul 2008 14:04 GMT > What's more troubling is that someone on the PM's staff, presumably with a > security clearance, is consorting with foreigners he picks up in bars -- that > person wants sacking. Unless it was actually a UK operation to "donate" said blackberry to the Chinese? Not that I think this is too likely given the competence of Gordon's government when it comes to retaining control of data!
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