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Brits Criminally Careless -- Still Can't Keep A Secret

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D. Spencer Hines - 20 Jul 2008 14:06 GMT
A Chinese HONEYTRAP Operation.

Hilarious!

Stupid Brit...

He fell for one of the oldest tricks in the Espionage Book.
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From The Sunday Times
July 20, 2008

Gordon Brown aide a victim of honeytrap operation by Chinese agents

David Leppard and Claire Newell

A top aide to Gordon Brown has been a suspected victim of a "honeytrap"
operation by Chinese intelligence agents.

The aide, a senior Downing Street adviser who was with the prime minister on
a trip to China earlier this year, had his BlackBerry phone stolen after
being picked up by a Chinese woman who had approached him in a Shanghai
hotel disco.

The aide agreed to return to his hotel with the woman. He reported the
BlackBerry missing the next morning.

The aide, whose identity is known to The Sunday Times, immediately reported
the theft to the prime minister's Special Branch protection team and was
informally reprimanded.

A senior official said yesterday that the incident had all the hallmarks of
a suspected honeytrap by Chinese intelligence. The incident will raise fresh
questions about the security of sensitive official information. It follows a
spate of high-profile cases where data from government departments have been
lost.

INDEED.  This is NOT an isolated occurrence of sloppy, careless security by
British officials. -- DSH

BlackBerrys are used as mobile telephones and also store data and send and
receive e-mails. Downing Street BlackBerrys are password-protected but
security officials said most are not encrypted.

Ergo VERY easy to unravel. -- DSH

Experts say that even if the aide's device did not contain anything top
secret, it might enable a hostile intelligence service to hack into the
Downing Street server, potentially gaining access to No 10's e-mail traffic
and text messages.

The incident highlights the growing threat of Chinese intelligence to
Britain and the West. Last December Jonathan Evans, the director-general of
MI5, warned that China was carrying out state-sponsored espionage against
vital parts of Britain's economy, including the computer systems of big
banks and financial services firms.

Sources said that the incident had occurred during Brown's two-day trip to
China in January.

The prime minister had been accompanied by about 20 Downing Street staff,
including senior advisers on foreign policy, the environment and trade.
There were also 25 business leaders on the trip, among them Sir Adrian
Montague, the chairman of British Energy, Arun Sarin, then chief executive
of Vodafone, and Sir Richard Branson, the Virgin boss.

The incident occurred in Shanghai on the second day of the tour. That
evening, about a dozen members of the Downing Street staff went to a hotel
disco where a lively party with several hundred young people was in full
swing.

"It was apparently a lot of fun, there was quite a bit of dancing with lots
of people on a big crowded dance floor," said one security official.

The group stayed at the disco for at least two hours. One senior aide was
approached by an attractive Chinese woman. The couple danced and later
disappeared together.

The security official said: "In these circumstances it was not wise. Nobody
knows exactly what happened after they left. But the next morning he came
forward and said: "My BlackBerry is missing." The prime minister's Special
Branch protection team were alerted.

Downing Street yesterday confirmed that a member of the prime minister's
office had lost a BlackBerry during an evening event on the January visit to
China. However, it played down the affair, stating that an investigation had
established that there was "no compromise to security".

Last week it emerged that US intelligence and security officials were
debating whether to warn business people and other travellers heading to the
Beijing Olympics about the dangers posed by Chinese computer hackers.

Joel Brenner, the US government's top counter-intelligence official, warned:
"So many people are going to the Olympics and are going to get
electronically undressed."

frank - 20 Jul 2008 17:31 GMT
They have been active in the states for decades.

Especially students or graduate students. We had some in our graduate
program at the University of Missouri. Which is close to Whiteman AFB
which is where the B-2 is. You don't need 6 degrees of freedom like
Kevin Bacon.

They were out there and pretty blatant when the ACM was being tested.
We watched for the SU, they were targeted, but Poles and East Germans
were pretty numerous. And they fit in better.

Our problem is we let too many 'students' in this country from a lot
of what the Brits would call 'dicey' areas. But, try cutting back and
the universities howl. They like the full load they can charge them.
No grants or loans, hard cash, and they put up with crap Americans
won't. Literally cheap labor to support the professor's research. They
give you a load of crap like we need the diversity. Hogwash, you're in
class, reading journals, doing work, STUDENTS have nothing to bring
into a program, except in something like government administration
where you could say this is how health care is in a different country.
As far as hard sciences, diversity is nothing but a sham.

I'm a Democrat who thinks Bush and his administration should be tried
for war crimes, so this is not a political issue.

There are tons of incidents that happen like this, the vast majority
never hit the paper. I remember once a pilot took a piece of
classified stuff off an airplane, off the base, into a hotel, and left
it. We don't think or didn't think it was compromised, but with twits
like him running around, how hard is it to spy on us? He didn't bother
to find somebody who would sign for it, put it in a safe and hold it
in a secure area for him.

There needs to be serious jail time. Public flogging? The stocks?
Richard Casady - 20 Jul 2008 20:36 GMT
>There needs to be serious jail time. Public flogging? The stocks?

Hanging, with a three inch drop.

Casady
Jack Linthicum - 20 Jul 2008 20:48 GMT
> They have been active in the states for decades.
>
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>
> There needs to be serious jail time. Public flogging? The stocks?

I am a Missouri grad.

We had a guy who was very high up in CIA who happened to have been
born in Denmark. He believed he was in line to be the next head of the
CIA. Big ego.

He decided to sell his house in Georgetown. To show all the people who
came through to inspect the place, he had his home office arranged
like he did a lot of work there. One of the props was a document with
enough classifications to twitch a security officer. One of the first
people though the first Sunday was, wait for it, a very twitchy
security officer from CIA.

That Blackberry gag works both ways, some bad a.s lobbyist pitched
hers along with a bunch of incrimination papers after she was told by
phone to hold on to the papers. The FBI was practically next door
waiting for this action. Garbagemen.
Andrew Chaplin - 20 Jul 2008 22:46 GMT
> I am a Missouri grad.
>
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> phone to hold on to the papers. The FBI was practically next door
> waiting for this action. Garbagemen.

A missing BlackBerry? Who gives a damn, other than the person who will have to
pay to replace it? They are so leaky that they are not to be operated with
their Rx/Tx on in areas classified Confidential or higher. If you use
Bluetooth with them, you're particularly vulnerable. (In camera meetings at
Westminster have leaked out through them. The Conservative caucus in Ottawa is
so paranoid of leaks that their SOP is to shut them down completely during
meetings.) BlackBerries around here don't have access to secure e-mail
accounts. You get 10 chances to enter a password into them, then they have to
be reset and repacked. I doubt anyone got much out of the PM's aide's BB.

What's more troubling is that someone on the PM's staff, presumably with a
security clearance, is consorting with foreigners he picks up in bars -- that
person wants sacking.
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Jack Linthicum - 20 Jul 2008 23:05 GMT
> > I am a Missouri grad.
>
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> SIT MIHI GLADIUS SICUT SANCTO MARTINO
> (If you're going to e-mail me, you'll have to get "yourfinger." out.)

But the lobbyist was dim and thought that throwing it away would save
her from any prosecution. The FBI should be pulling her emails out of
it even now.
D. Spencer Hines - 21 Jul 2008 00:05 GMT
Bingo!

And exposure -- by name.
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> What's more troubling is that someone on the PM's staff, presumably with a
> security clearance, is consorting with foreigners he picks up in bars --
> that person wants sacking.
Alistair Gunn - 21 Jul 2008 14:04 GMT
> What's more troubling is that someone on the PM's staff, presumably with a
> security clearance, is consorting with foreigners he picks up in bars -- that
> person wants sacking.

Unless it was actually a UK operation to "donate" said blackberry to
the Chinese?  Not that I think this is too likely given the competence
of Gordon's government when it comes to retaining control of data!
 
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