British Newspaper Makes Fun Of & Mocks Barack Obama
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D. Spencer Hines - 25 Jul 2008 13:23 GMT Classic!
Real British Humour...
'Strod'nry!
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From The Times July 25, 2008
He ventured forth to bring light to the world
The anointed one's pilgrimage to the Holy Land is a miracle in action - and a blessing to all his faithful followers
Gerard Baker
And it came to pass, in the eighth year of the reign of the evil Bush the Younger (The Ignorant), when the whole land from the Arabian desert to the shores of the Great Lakes had been laid barren, that a Child appeared in the wilderness.
The Child was blessed in looks and intellect. Scion of a simple family, offspring of a miraculous union, grandson of a typical white person and an African peasant. And yea, as he grew, the Child walked in the path of righteousness, with only the occasional detour into the odd weed and a little blow.
When he was twelve years old, they found him in the temple in the City of Chicago, arguing the finer points of community organisation with the Prophet Jeremiah and the Elders. And the Elders were astonished at what they heard and said among themselves: “Verily, who is this Child that he opens our hearts and minds to the audacity of hope?”
In the great Battles of Caucus and Primary he smote the conniving Hillary, wife of the deposed King Bill the Priapic and their barbarian hordes of Working Class Whites.
And so it was, in the fullness of time, before the harvest month of the appointed year, the Child ventured forth - for the first time - to bring the light unto all the world.
He travelled fleet of foot and light of camel, with a small retinue that consisted only of his loyal disciples from the tribe of the Media. He ventured first to the land of the Hindu Kush, where the
Taleban had harboured the viper of al-Qaeda in their bosom, raining terror on all the world.
And the Child spake and the tribes of Nato immediately loosed the Caveats that had previously bound them. And in the great battle that ensued the forces of the light were triumphant. For as long as the
Child stood with his arms raised aloft, the enemy suffered great blows and the threat of terror was no more.
From there he went forth to Mesopotamia where he was received by the great ruler al-Maliki, and al-Maliki spake unto him and blessed his Sixteen Month Troop Withdrawal Plan even as the imperial warrior Petraeus tried to destroy it.
And lo, in Mesopotamia, a miracle occurred. Even though the Great Surge of Armour that the evil Bush had ordered had been a terrible mistake, a waste of vital military resources and doomed to end in disaster, the Child's very presence suddenly brought forth a great victory for the forces of the light.
And the Persians, who saw all this and were greatly fearful, longed to speak with the Child and saw that the Child was the bringer of peace. At the mention of his name they quickly laid aside their intrigues and beat their uranium swords into civil nuclear energy ploughshares.
From there the Child went up to the city of Jerusalem, and entered through the gate seated on an a.s. The crowds of network anchors who had followed him from afar cheered “Hosanna” and waved great palm fronds and strewed them at his feet.
In Jerusalem and in surrounding Palestine, the Child spake to the Hebrews and the Arabs, as the Scripture had foretold. And in an instant, the lion lay down with the lamb, and the Israelites and Ishmaelites ended their long enmity and lived for ever after in peace.
As word spread throughout the land about the Child's wondrous works, peoples from all over flocked to hear him; Hittites and Abbasids; Obamacons and McCainiacs; Cameroonians and Blairites.
And they told of strange and wondrous things that greeted the news of the Child's journey. Around the world, global temperatures began to decline, and the ocean levels fell and the great warming was over.
The Great Prophet Algore of Nobel and Oscar, who many had believed was the anointed one, smiled and told his followers that the Child was the one generations had been waiting for.
And there were other wonderful signs. In the city of the Street at the Wall, spreads on interbank interest rates dropped like manna from Heaven and rates on credit default swaps fell to the ground as dead birds from the almond tree, and the people who had lived in foreclosure were able to borrow again.
Black gold gushed from the ground at prices well below $140 per barrel. In hospitals across the land the sick were cured even though they were uninsured. And all because the Child had pronounced it.
And this is the testimony of one who speaks the truth and bears witness to the truth so that you might believe. And he knows it is the truth for he saw it all on CNN and the BBC and in the pages of The New York Times.
Then the Child ventured forth from Israel and Palestine and stepped onto the shores of the Old Continent. In the land of Queen Angela of Merkel, vast multitudes gathered to hear his voice, and he preached to them at length.
But when he had finished speaking his disciples told him the crowd was hungry, for they had had nothing to eat all the hours they had waited for him.
And so the Child told his disciples to fetch some food but all they had was five loaves and a couple of frankfurters. So he took the bread and the frankfurters and blessed them and told his disciples to feed the multitudes. And when all had eaten their fill, the scraps filled twelve baskets.
Thence he travelled west to Mount Sarkozy. Even the beauteous Princess Carla of the tribe of the Bruni was struck by awe and she was great in love with the Child, but he was tempted not.
On the Seventh Day he walked across the Channel of the Angles to the ancient land of the hooligans. There he was welcomed with open arms by the once great prophet Blair and his successor, Gordon the Leper, and his successor, David the Golden One.
And suddenly, with the men appeared the archangel Gabriel and the whole host of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and singing: “Yes, We Can.”
Jack Linthicum - 25 Jul 2008 13:39 GMT > Classic! > [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] > of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and > singing: “Yes, We Can.” Looks like someone wrote down Jon Stewart's opening monolog from Tuesday.
James Hogg - 25 Jul 2008 13:53 GMT >Classic! > >Real British Humour... > >'Strod'nry! Aye, a good mixture of sacrilege and satire.
And real British humour, as you say. It could never have been written by Obama's right-wing fundamentalist opponents in the USA. They would be too superstitious to desecrate the Bible in that way (although they unconsciously do it in other ways, but that's a different story).
James
La N - 25 Jul 2008 14:24 GMT >>Classic! >> [quoted text clipped - 8 lines] > USA. They would be too superstitious to desecrate the Bible in > that way (although they unconsciously do it in other ways, Oh, you mean like throwing wars, exercising bigotry, hypocritically and unilaterally deciding who's going to Hell and such ....
- nilita
James Hogg - 25 Jul 2008 15:06 GMT >>>Classic! >>> [quoted text clipped - 11 lines] >Oh, you mean like throwing wars, exercising bigotry, hypocritically and >unilaterally deciding who's going to Hell and such .... That kind of crap, yes.
Anything based on a literal interpretation of "God's Holy Writ". (It's not always literal, of course, only selectively so. Jesus's admonition to "Turn the other cheek" is - paradoxically - interpreted to mean "Nuke the bastards". Paul's declaration that "The love of money is the root of all evil" is wisely expounded as "Don't tax the churches".)
Let's hope no fundamentalist (or Jeremiah Wright) issues a fatwa against Gerard Baker for daring to make fun of their religion.
James
deemsbill@aol.com - 26 Jul 2008 13:24 GMT > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:24:01 GMT, "La N" > [quoted text clipped - 24 lines] > "The love of money is the root of all evil" is wisely expounded > as "Don't tax the churches".) So, you choose to fight bullshit with more bullshit?
> Let's hope no fundamentalist (or Jeremiah Wright) issues a fatwa > against Gerard Baker for daring to make fun of their religion. > > James Dude, you're teetering on the edge of psychosis. You probably should get some help.
La N - 26 Jul 2008 16:53 GMT On Jul 25, 10:06 am, James Hogg <Jas.Hogg...@SPAM.gmail.com> wrote:
> On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:24:01 GMT, "La N" > [quoted text clipped - 27 lines] > "The love of money is the root of all evil" is wisely expounded > as "Don't tax the churches".) So, you choose to fight bullshit with more bullshit?
> Let's hope no fundamentalist (or Jeremiah Wright) issues a fatwa > against Gerard Baker for daring to make fun of their religion. > > James Dude, you're teetering on the edge of psychosis. You probably should get some help.
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Oh, come now, meester deemsbill. Mr. Hogg is jes' funnin'. I know you're a good Christian, and I - too - am a (not so good) Christian. However, if hypothetically people were forced to choose between 2 theisms - fundamentalist Christianity and atheism, I'd swing over to the latter group of people who seem to be less hypocritical.
- nillita, who spent her youth in a pacifist Mennonite congregation and ergo doesn't like war by default ...;p
Jack Linthicum - 25 Jul 2008 14:51 GMT > On Fri, 25 Jul 2008 13:23:57 +0100, "D. Spencer Hines" > [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > > James The same idea was on The Daily Show this week with Jon Stewart following Obama around from his birthplace in Bethlehem.
http://video.aol.com/video-detail/obama-quest-bethlehem/51641541
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast - 25 Jul 2008 13:58 GMT > Classic! > [quoted text clipped - 131 lines] > of the heavenly choir, ranks of cherubim and seraphim, all praising God and > singing: �Yes, We Can.� ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Commander,
Many thanks for this remarkable piece of irony from the sceptred isle. My take on Obama is that he aspires to be the black Ibrahim Lincoln, now that Colin Powell has been perceived as the black Eisenhower. There are remarkable similarities between Lincoln and Obama, not the least of which is physical appearance. They are both rather ugly, if you ask me.
Cheers, David H ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
J A - 25 Jul 2008 23:27 GMT > Classic! > > Real British Humour... Sort of funny.
Are they implying they would prefer a third Bush term?
Andrew Chaplin - 26 Jul 2008 12:23 GMT >> Classic! >> [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > > Are they implying they would prefer a third Bush term? I don't think even Bush wants a third term.
Some people are missing the point. The piece is not so much satirizing Obama as it is satirizing the obsequious media machine that trails in his wake (ObSMN).
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La N - 26 Jul 2008 15:31 GMT >>> Classic! >>> [quoted text clipped - 9 lines] > Obama as it is satirizing the obsequious media machine that trails in his > wake (ObSMN). Yeah, I got that.
Pretty much most of the world is in (humorous) awe of the length, cost$ and fanfare of American pre-election campaigning.
- nilita
Raymond O'Hara - 26 Jul 2008 15:55 GMT >>>> Classic! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 16 lines] > > - nilita the candidates would like it shortened too.'but the press, especially the cable "news" cover it incessently and it forces the candidates hands with constsnt coverage and speculation.
deemsbill@aol.com - 26 Jul 2008 16:12 GMT On Jul 26, 10:55 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> Classic! > [quoted text clipped - 21 lines] > cable "news" cover it incessently and it forces the candidates hands with > constsnt coverage and speculation Gotta sell those ads.
La N - 26 Jul 2008 16:16 GMT On Jul 26, 10:55 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "La N" <nilita2004NOS...@yahoo.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 26 lines] > cable "news" cover it incessently and it forces the candidates hands with > constsnt coverage and speculation Gotta sell those ads. ***********************************
I was watching a CBC news clip not long ago where people in the UK were interviewed on the street about American elections. The thing that astounded the Brits was that candidates were seemingly crowing about how much money they raised for their campaigns - in the millions! The report went on to contrast the comparatively low costs of electing heads of state in other countries.
- nilita
Jack Linthicum - 26 Jul 2008 16:33 GMT > <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 44 lines] > > - nilita The difference in national TV operations and the number of TV markets in each country.
Florida is an important state and has seven TV markets, seven areas to hit with ads on more than one station. There are about eight in California, Texas may have 13 or 14.
UK seems to be about that same number eight or so markets, but we have 50 states, not all of which would be targeted. And, it would appear that if you hit the three "national" channels in the UK you will get most of the viewers.
William Black - 26 Jul 2008 17:22 GMT > UK seems to be about that same number eight or so markets, but we have > 50 states, not all of which would be targeted. And, it would appear > that if you hit the three "national" channels in the UK you will get > most of the viewers. Except that direct political advertising on TV in UK elections is prohibited by law.
The parties are given exposure with the time made available being exactly proportional to the number of candidates they field.
So the three major parties get the same exposure and the myriad of minor ones get, usually, one slot, if they field 80 or more candidates (I think).
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deemsbill@aol.com - 26 Jul 2008 17:37 GMT On Jul 26, 12:22 pm, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > UK seems to be about that same number eight or so markets, but we have > > 50 states, not all of which would be targeted. And, it would appear [quoted text clipped - 13 lines] > -- > William Black I could go for something like that. Our system makes politics too much of a rich man's game.
Raymond O'Hara - 26 Jul 2008 19:22 GMT I could go for something like that. Our system makes politics too much of a rich man's game.
who is going to vote for a poor guy?
William Black - 26 Jul 2008 19:25 GMT > I could go for something like that. Our system makes politics too > much of a rich man's game. > > who is going to vote for a poor guy? We prefer our politicians to be clever, rather than dim but rich.
That's why we tend to go for academics and lawyers.
Obama is very bright, but 'too clever by half' is an expression that somehow springs to mind when I look at him...
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Fred J. McCall - 26 Jul 2008 19:49 GMT :That's why we tend to go for academics and lawyers. : :Obama is very bright, but 'too clever by half' is an expression that :somehow springs to mind when I look at him... And yet he is both an academic and a lawyer; precisely what you say you "tend to go for".
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William Black - 26 Jul 2008 22:37 GMT > :That's why we tend to go for academics and lawyers. > : [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And yet he is both an academic and a lawyer; precisely what you say > you "tend to go for". I know.
In all honesty I should be the sort of person rooting for him.
But I'm not.
I just don't trust him at all.
There's something creepy about him, and McCain, while he's far too old for the job, isn't creepy at all...
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D. Spencer Hines - 26 Jul 2008 23:18 GMT Obama is decidedly, in that excellent British capsule character description...
"Too clever by half"...
And it's beginning to catch up with him.
Even Pogue Gans, a lifelong Left-Wing Democrat, has his severe doubts and fears about Obama.
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>> :That's why we tend to go for academics and lawyers. >> : [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] > There's something creepy about him, [sic] and McCain, while he's far too > old for the job, [sic] isn't creepy at all... Singanas@Texasgulfcoast - 27 Jul 2008 08:50 GMT On Jul 26, 4:37 pm, "William Black" <william.bl...@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
> > :That's why we tend to go for academics and lawyers. > > : [quoted text clipped - 23 lines] > All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach > Time for tea. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ So now we have a creepiness factor. I remember when the Dems had a "family values" deficit, as when Hillary would throw a table lamp at Bill or Bill would disrespect the Secret Service staffers.
I remember all that gushing right wing praise for Dubya and Laura on account of their politeness to the help and their televised warmth and hand holding. Well look where "family values" got us. Unchecked global warming, trillions of national debt, $700 billion going abroad per annum for 70 % of our energy, no national health fix, and no social security fix.
Sir William, I say "Bring on the creepy, the floppy-eared, and the ugly." Bring on a late bloomer like Lincoln or Churchill, and let's put the "family values" ilk on the back burner this November.
Cheers from the other Gulf, David H ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
William Black - 27 Jul 2008 10:46 GMT > Sir William, I say "Bring on the creepy, the floppy-eared, and the > ugly." > Bring on a late bloomer like Lincoln or Churchill, and let's put the > "family values" ilk on the back burner this November. First of all, I don't think either of these two are comparable to Churchill or Lincoln.
Second, if given the choice, and I won't be, I'd be hard pressed to say anything supportive about either of them. In my opinion neither is fit to be the leader of the free world...
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Zombywoof - 27 Jul 2008 20:49 GMT >> Sir William, I say "Bring on the creepy, the floppy-eared, and the >> ugly." [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >anything supportive about either of them. In my opinion neither is fit to >be the leader of the free world... Who says the leader of the "Free World" has to be the American President?
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D. Spencer Hines - 27 Jul 2008 20:57 GMT No one else is willing to step up to the plate....
Gordon Brown?...
Hilarious!
The U.N. is also a farce when it comes to taking forceful action against vengeful aggressors and mass murderers.
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>>Second, if given the choice, and I won't be, I'd be hard pressed to say >>anything supportive about either of them. In my opinion neither is fit to >>be the leader of the free world... >> > Who says the leader of the "Free World" has to be the American > President? William Black - 27 Jul 2008 22:19 GMT In my opinion neither is fit to
>>be the leader of the free world... >> > Who says the leader of the "Free World" has to be the American > President? You have an alternative candidate in mind?
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea.
Andrew Swallow - 27 Jul 2008 10:57 GMT > :That's why we tend to go for academics and lawyers. > : [quoted text clipped - 3 lines] > And yet he is both an academic and a lawyer; precisely what you say > you "tend to go for". 'too clever by half' does not mean very clever, it means a suspected liar and cheat. What ever he says, he is not on our side.
Andrew Swallow
Fred J. McCall - 27 Jul 2008 18:35 GMT :> :That's why we tend to go for academics and lawyers. :> : [quoted text clipped - 6 lines] :'too clever by half' does not mean very clever, it means a suspected :liar and cheat. Uh, I know that, Andrew. I was pointing out that that statement was rather at odds with the "we tend to go for academics and lawyers" position, since Obama is both.
Sorry I confused you by not putting some obvious construct like "And yet" at the front of my sentence to indicate I was contrasting two conflicting statements.
Oh, wait, I *did* do that...
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Raymond O'Hara - 26 Jul 2008 23:49 GMT >> I could go for something like that. Our system makes politics too >> much of a rich man's game. >> >> who is going to vote for a poor guy? > > We prefer our politicians to be clever, rather than dim but rich. explain the chimpler then. he is the ultimate expression of "dim but rich"
William Black - 27 Jul 2008 10:43 GMT >>> I could go for something like that. Our system makes politics too >>> much of a rich man's game. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > explain the chimpler then. he is the ultimate expression of "dim but rich" I'm British you idiot.
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I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Barbeques on fire by the chalets past the castle headland I watched the gift shops glitter in the darkness off the Newborough gate All these moments will be lost in time, like icecream on the beach Time for tea.
Raymond O'Hara - 28 Jul 2008 03:51 GMT >>>> I could go for something like that. Our system makes politics too >>>> much of a rich man's game. [quoted text clipped - 7 lines] >> > I'm British you idiot. i didn't say you weren't blackguard, it is well known you are a limey
Andrew Swallow - 27 Jul 2008 11:00 GMT >>> I could go for something like that. Our system makes politics too >>> much of a rich man's game. [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > explain the chimpler then. he is the ultimate expression of "dim but rich" Mr Black does not have to. Black is British and was talking about Britain. The chimpler is American.
Andrew Swallow
Raymond O'Hara - 29 Jul 2008 00:05 GMT >>>> I could go for something like that. Our system makes politics too >>>> much of a rich man's game. [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > > Andrew Swallow the chimpler is the classic "dim but rich"
Singanas@Texasgulfcoast - 29 Jul 2008 13:08 GMT On Jul 28, 6:05 pm, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote in message > >>>>news:54ea5592-53e0-4b1f-ab0b-dcf54966968b@m73g2000hsh.googlegroups.com... [quoted text clipped - 15 lines] > > the chimpler is the classic "dim but rich" ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I was treading a David Brooks column in the Corpus Christi daily Caller-Times called "The radical optimist offers lofty rhetoric." Brooks is becoming a little disenchanted with Obama's lofty treacle about groups coming together and people uniting and standing as one. Brooks cites a lack of realism in Obama's recent orations.
Repetition of his obvious and simple vision reinforces my belief that Obama is going to be a superb organiser of the committees, the boards, the action groups, and the teams which will be called upon to bring about change in 2009. The Obama message is not so much about what he personally knows but who he will bring together to accomplish his change agenda. FDR did it in 1933-40 when he put together the Brain Trust, the NRA, the CCC, the NLRA, the WPA, the TVA, the REA, et cetera. Kennedy repeated the same momentum in 1961-63. LBJ succeeded with Civil Rights and Medicare but then stumbled completely into the Viet Nam quagmire.
Cheers, David H ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
deemsbill@aol.com - 26 Jul 2008 19:32 GMT On Jul 26, 2:22 pm, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > who is going to vote for a poor guy? How about a regular middle class guy/gal that's actually worked all their life?
Jack Linthicum - 26 Jul 2008 19:35 GMT On Jul 26, 2:32 pm, "deemsb...@aol.com" <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote:
> On Jul 26, 2:22 pm, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 10 lines] > How about a regular middle class guy/gal that's actually > worked all their life? Fictional character
Raymond O'Hara - 26 Jul 2008 23:51 GMT On Jul 26, 2:22 pm, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote in message > [quoted text clipped - 4 lines] > > who is going to vote for a poor guy? How about a regular middle class guy/gal that's actually worked all their life?
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they are the ones who keep voting for the rich guys.
Andrew Swallow - 27 Jul 2008 10:53 GMT >> <deemsb...@aol.com> wrote in message >> [quoted text clipped - 42 lines] > that if you hit the three "national" channels in the UK you will get > most of the viewers. In Britain political parties are not allowed to advertise. They get one or two free 5 minute slots in the entire campaign.
Andrew Swallow
Roger Conroy - 26 Jul 2008 22:54 GMT > On Jul 26, 10:55 am, "Raymond O'Hara" <raymond-oh...@hotmail.com> > wrote: [quoted text clipped - 40 lines] > > - nilita The two main "problems" with the US election system are: 1. Rigidly fixed election dates - everyone is always campaigning. 2. The primary system - in most countries the leader of the party is by default the candidate for president/prime minister. Other than hardcore party members, can anyone even name the Dem & Rep party bosses?
Raymond O'Hara - 26 Jul 2008 23:52 GMT > The two main "problems" with the US election system are: > 1. Rigidly fixed election dates - everyone is always campaigning. > 2. The primary system - in most countries the leader of the party is by > default the candidate for president/prime minister. Other than hardcore > party members, can anyone even name the Dem & Rep party bosses? we like our system in parlimentary systems you only get party insiders and then they have to kiss a.s to keep their job.
Fred J. McCall - 26 Jul 2008 23:54 GMT Your main complaint seems to be that it's not like Britain's. Let's examine that just a bit.
:The two main "problems" with the US election system are: :1. Rigidly fixed election dates - everyone is always campaigning. As opposed to the parliamentary system, where everyone must be campaigning all the time because they don't know when an election will be called. Add to that the likelihood that they can be called at the least opportune times (when you need stability because of some international crisis) and that you can get things like the Italian system after WWII, where the government seemed to change every week or so.
This difference in our system is a feature, not a bug.
:2. The primary system - in most countries the leader of the party is by :default the candidate for president/prime minister. Other than hardcore :party members, can anyone even name the Dem & Rep party bosses? Again, a feature rather than a bug. Why should a bunch of politicos get to pick who is in charge of the executive? Primaries take that decision down to the voters rather than leaving it in the hand of the political elites.
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Zombywoof - 27 Jul 2008 20:46 GMT >>>> Classic! >>>> [quoted text clipped - 14 lines] >Pretty much most of the world is in (humorous) awe of the length, cost$ and >fanfare of American pre-election campaigning. What is the old saying "Everybody loves a parade"?
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